[kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

[peter muckle]

This was a new chapter for the damned, similar to the Killing Joke era of 
1000 Suns.



>From: "Jerry Butson" <jerry at fleamusic.com>

>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

><gathering at misera.net>

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: in Defense of PHANTASMAGORIA by the Damned

>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:52 +0000

>

>My vote for one of the Damned's finest vinyl moments goes to he 12" version

>of Alone Again Or in its breakneck speed, edited

>on-the-fly-with-a-pair-of-rusty-scissors version...fantastic!

>

>On 22/02/07, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk> wrote:

>>

>>Yeah, I do kinda enjoy Phantasmagoria the very few times I play it these

>>days, but after all these years I've realised for it to REALLY be the

>>Damned, it needs Vanian/Scabies/Sensible. They've had their moments with

>>the different line-ups, but nothing even comes close to the amazing stuff

>>of the earlier years.   I remember hearing a comp CD in some pub... it was

>>absolute genius right up to Grimly Fiendish coming on, when I wished it

>>would just end. Kinda summed it up for me.

>>As for their "image"... as Scabies said, Vanian could dress as a binman

>>and

>>still look good, while he himself could put on the finest clothes and

>>still

>>be a mess!!

>>Must admit, can't stand Eloise... though that's possibly from it being the

>>"hit" and having heard it way too often over the years. The current

>>line-up

>>do the best version so far, but could still do without it!

>>Oh, and the Five Foot One thing... I came out and directly asked them

>>around that time, and they didn't own up!  I recall asking Rat if covering

>>Five Foot One had anything to do with Vanian's height (to which he replied

>>"oh, I wouldn't say that to him"!!). Ah, my ever-tactful youth!

>>

>>Dave in Edinburgh

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>At 09:15 21/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>> >Just a few words in defense of PHANTASMAGORIA. I was shocked as everyone

>> >else at said album's comparatively gloppy overproduction. Despite the

>> >funereal trappings, it owed more to the likes of Meat Loaf and Bonnie

>> >Tyler than it did to any Goth making the `rounds at the time (by

>> >comparison, the Sisters of Mercy sound like the Ramones). That said,

>>there

>> >were still some fine moments of pure pop on it (notably "Street of

>>Dreams"

>> >and "Grimly Fiendish", although "Is It A Dream?" is just crap across the

>> >board). I'm also a big fan of the non-album single "Eloise," another

>> >hoarily windswept and overproduced gem. Was in Punk? Not especially, but

>> >who cares?

>> >

>> >As a college freshman in 1985 out in the bowels of Ohio, I remember

>> >packing into a crowded station wagon to drive across scary, 

>>backwoods-ass

>> >Midwestern pigfuck country to Kentucky to catch the Damned on the

>> >PHANTASMAGORIA tour (which, for some reason, bypassed the nearest city 

>>to

>> >our school, Columbus). As over-the-top as their image and aesthetic had

>> >become (Hammer horror films, candelabras, graveyard shtick), they were 

>>as

>> >full-on live as can be imagined (and yes -- quite definably PUNK in 

>>every

>> >semblance of the term).

>> >

>> >I've grown to quite like the PHANTASMAGORIA album as a result. There are

>> >some great moments on ANYTHING as well (notably their cover of "Alone

>> >Again Or" and the title track, which is essentialy a wafer-thin-re-write

>> >of Iggy Pops "Five Foot One"). I saw them again with Brian James et al.

>>on

>> >the tour that resulted in the FINAL DAMNATION tour (`90 or so?) at the

>>New

>> >Ritz, and they were endearingly shambollic. The last time I saw them was

>> >in the mid-90's at since-shuttered Coney Island High. I don't believe 

>>Rat

>> >was in attendance, but Dave was there in all his ridiculous glory. It 

>>was

>> >fun to see them, but it wasn't really "the Damned" as I'd grown to love.

>> >

>> >I haven't picked up a new album/single of theirs since I can't remember

>> >when, honestly. But I listened to a clutch of Damned tracks on my walk 

>>to

>> >work this morning, and the mere fact that their catalog stretches from

>>the

>> >stripped-down velocity of "Fish" and "Neat Neat Neat" through to the

>> >ersatz psychedelia of the Naz Nomad stuff and onto their vanglorious

>> >opuses (opi?) like the afore-mentioned "Eloise" is a testament to their

>> >versatility.

>> >

>> >Bless'em.

>> >

>> >Alex in NYC

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >-----Original Message-----

>> > >From: Mike Porthouse <Mike at rteltd.com>

>> > >Sent: Feb 21, 2007 4:02 AM

>> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> > >

>> > >Had the pleasure of seeing the current Damned line-up a couple of 

>>times

>> > last

>> > >year (Vanian, Sensible, Stu, Pinch and Monty) and I have to say 

>>they're

>>in

>> > >good form. Best I've seen them since the re-union shows in about 88 or

>>89.

>> > >Vanian and Sensible have a massive stage presence and they're now

>>playing

>> > >with good musicians. Always a good night out. Some good new songs and 

>>a

>> > back

>> > >catalogue of classics. The only thing for me, which keeps them from

>>being

>> > >right up there with the best is their lyrics, which have never been

>> > anything

>> > >to get excited about.

>> > >BTW the recent MGE DVD release is very good for any Damned fans who

>>don't

>> > >already own it.

>> > >

>> > >Mike Porthouse

>> > >

>> > >----- Original Message -----

>> > >From: <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>

>> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> > ><gathering at misera.net>

>> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:32 PM

>> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >> This was last July, and yes it WAS interesting to say the

>>least!  Fucking

>> > >> great, even if Casey Chaos's voice was shot.

>> > >>

>> > >> They came VERY close to doing it with Dave and Cap, but that's

>>another

>> > >> story.  It is a shame though... 30 years comes round once.

>> > >>

>> > >> There was talk of doing a few more dates, but nothing more than 

>>that.

>>You

>> > >> never know though!

>> > >>

>> > >> A couple of pics from the gig :

>> > >>

>>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20068.jpg

>> > >>

>> > >>

>>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20067.jpg

>> > >>

>> > >> Dave

>> > >>

>> > >> At 13:34 20/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>> > >>>So the Brian James Gang thing made me curious again.  Don't own the

>> > >>>release

>> > >>>but it sounds promising even the simplistic, idiotic lyrics.  Vocals

>>are

>> > >>>fine.  So I stumble across their (always dreaded) myspace page:

>> > >>>

>>http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friend

>> > id=106508478

>> > >>>

>> > >>>and what do I see...

>> > >>>DAMNED 30th ANNIVERSARY LINE-UP:

>> > >>>Brian James-Guitar,

>> > >>>Rat Scabies-Drums

>> > >>>Mani-Bass

>> > >>>Casey Chaos-Voice

>> > >>>

>> > >>>This could be interesting.  Shame they couldn't do it with Captain

>>and Rat

>> > >>>

>> > >>>Anyone have anymore details???  IS there a snowballs chance in hell

>>thisis

>> > >>>coming to the US?  I would actually go see this

>> > >>>

>> > >>>Chris

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>> >From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>

>> > >>> >Reply-To: TB <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>,"A list about all things

>> > >>> >Killing

>> > >>> >Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> > >>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> > >>> ><gathering at misera.net>

>> > >>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> > >>> >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:10:33 -0800

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >"Rob's Arse" wrote:

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> > >

>> > >>> > > Grave disorder really was a return to form but Not of this 

>>Earth

>>was

>> > >>> > > terrible!

>> > >>> > >

>> > >>> > > I remember seeing them at the time with Scabies on drums, 

>>Vanian

>>on

>> > >>> > > Vocals, Moose from NMA on bass with Kris Dollimore (Mr Session

>> > >>> > > guitar)

>> > >>> >and

>> > >>> > > Vanian's Grandad (wearing a LEATHER WASTECOAT).

>> > >>> > > I left that gig totally heartbroken. They were shitter than

>>shit.

>> > >>> > >

>> > >>> > > As an aside, we played wit teh Brian James Gang the other week

>>and I

>> > >>> >have

>> > >>> > > to say that Brian James is a lovely bloke. Shame there were 

>>only

>>25

>> > >>> >people

>> > >>> > > at the gig!

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >Did Brian have Dave Tregunna with him on bass? Any Lords tunes

>>played?

>> > >>> >More

>> > >>> >details, man!

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >T.B.

>> > >>> >

>> > >>> >

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