[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

[gingoblin at easynet.co.uk]

The Stranglers thing was a bit more gradual... you can talk to many 
Stranglers fans and they have different cut-off points... some it's 
Meninblack (1981), others Feline(1983), others Aural Sculpture (1984) and 
so on. Mine was Hugh Cornwell leaving, but we've done that one.

Speaking of bands changing sound, the Cockney Rejects going from Oi/punk to 
AC/DC sorta stuff has to be one of the biggest and most hilarious 
"progressions" ever!

Dave


At 19:26 22/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:




>I'm not British and thus know little about the Stranglers, but I seem to 

>remember their early stuff being pretty good pub/punk rock, and then 

>hearing the new wave/synth pop of the song "Skin Deep" (not bad by synth 

>pop standards), and then getting a used copy of another album (Aural 

>Sculptures, maybe) and thinking it was even more bland synth pop. I just 

>don't get that one...

>From:  "peter muckle" <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com>

>Reply-To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>To:  vassifer at earthlink.net

>CC:  gathering at misera.net

>Subject:  Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>Date:  Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:19:09 +0000

> >I have to agree with you, Outside the Gate was a drastic change.

> >Does anyone know of any similar band having such a drastic change or will

> >this go down as a record breaking event.

> >

> >Pete

> >

> >

> > >From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> > >Reply-To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all things

> > >Killing Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > ><gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

> band!)"

> > ><gathering at misera.net>

> > >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

> > >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:52 -0500 (EST)

> > >

> > >

> > >I don't remember being as crushed by hearing "Grimly Fiendish" by the

> > >Damned as I was when I first heard "Adorations" by the `Joke, but then 

> -- I

> > >was always *way* more into the `Joke. Still not a fan of that single. 

> When

> > >the album came out, there were at least a few tracks with oomph to them

> > >(notably "Chessboards" and "Rubicon") and its aged fairly well, I'd say,

> > >but it's never been one of my favorites.

> > >

> > >That all said, *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* can compare to the jaw-dropping

> > >disbelief and abject disapointment I felt when I first heard "America" 

> (to

> > >say nothing of the rest of the album that spawned it).

> > >

> > >Alex in NYC

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >-----Original Message-----

> > > >From: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk

> > > >Sent: Feb 22, 2007 4:36 PM

> > > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > ><gathering at misera.net>

> > > >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

> > > >

> > > >Indeed, and an era for both bands that I now look back on and think 

> "hmm,

> > > >not the best really, no matter how hard I tried to convince myself

> > > >otherwise at the time"!  Actually, wasn't keen on 1000 Suns when it 

> came

> > > >out either (and no, let's not start that one again!)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >At 20:39 22/02/2007 +0000, you wrote:

> > > >>This was a new chapter for the damned, similar to the Killing Joke era

> > >of

> > > >>1000 Suns.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> >From: "Jerry Butson" <jerry at fleamusic.com>

> > > >> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> > > >> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> > > >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > > >> ><gathering at misera.net>

> > > >> >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: in Defense of PHANTASMAGORIA by the Damned

> > > >> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:52 +0000

> > > >> >

> > > >> >My vote for one of the Damned's finest vinyl moments goes to he 12"

> > >version

> > > >> >of Alone Again Or in its breakneck speed, edited

> > > >> >on-the-fly-with-a-pair-of-rusty-scissors version...fantastic!

> > > >> >

> > > >> >On 22/02/07, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk> 

> wrote:

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>Yeah, I do kinda enjoy Phantasmagoria the very few times I play it

> > >these

> > > >> >>days, but after all these years I've realised for it to REALLY 

> be the

> > > >> >>Damned, it needs Vanian/Scabies/Sensible. They've had their moments

> > >with

> > > >> >>the different line-ups, but nothing even comes close to the amazing

> > >stuff

> > > >> >>of the earlier years.   I remember hearing a comp CD in some pub...

> > >it was

> > > >> >>absolute genius right up to Grimly Fiendish coming on, when I 

> wished

> > >it

> > > >> >>would just end. Kinda summed it up for me.

> > > >> >>As for their "image"... as Scabies said, Vanian could dress as a

> > >binman

> > > >> >>and

> > > >> >>still look good, while he himself could put on the finest 

> clothes and

> > > >> >>still

> > > >> >>be a mess!!

> > > >> >>Must admit, can't stand Eloise... though that's possibly from it

> > >being the

> > > >> >>"hit" and having heard it way too often over the years. The current

> > > >> >>line-up

> > > >> >>do the best version so far, but could still do without it!

> > > >> >>Oh, and the Five Foot One thing... I came out and directly asked 

> them

> > > >> >>around that time, and they didn't own up!  I recall asking Rat if

> > >covering

> > > >> >>Five Foot One had anything to do with Vanian's height (to which he

> > >replied

> > > >> >>"oh, I wouldn't say that to him"!!). Ah, my ever-tactful youth!

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>Dave in Edinburgh

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>At 09:15 21/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> >Just a few words in defense of PHANTASMAGORIA. I was shocked as

> > >everyone

> > > >> >> >else at said album's comparatively gloppy overproduction. Despite

> > >the

> > > >> >> >funereal trappings, it owed more to the likes of Meat Loaf and

> > >Bonnie

> > > >> >> >Tyler than it did to any Goth making the `rounds at the time (by

> > > >> >> >comparison, the Sisters of Mercy sound like the Ramones). That

> > >said,

> > > >> >>there

> > > >> >> >were still some fine moments of pure pop on it (notably 

> "Street of

> > > >> >>Dreams"

> > > >> >> >and "Grimly Fiendish", although "Is It A Dream?" is just crap

> > >across the

> > > >> >> >board). I'm also a big fan of the non-album single "Eloise,"

> > >another

> > > >> >> >hoarily windswept and overproduced gem. Was in Punk? Not

> > >especially, but

> > > >> >> >who cares?

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >As a college freshman in 1985 out in the bowels of Ohio, I 

> remember

> > > >> >> >packing into a crowded station wagon to drive across scary,

> > > >> >>backwoods-ass

> > > >> >> >Midwestern pigfuck country to Kentucky to catch the Damned on the

> > > >> >> >PHANTASMAGORIA tour (which, for some reason, bypassed the nearest

> > >city

> > > >> >>to

> > > >> >> >our school, Columbus). As over-the-top as their image and 

> aesthetic

> > >had

> > > >> >> >become (Hammer horror films, candelabras, graveyard shtick), they

> > >were

> > > >> >>as

> > > >> >> >full-on live as can be imagined (and yes -- quite definably 

> PUNK in

> > > >> >>every

> > > >> >> >semblance of the term).

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >I've grown to quite like the PHANTASMAGORIA album as a result.

> > >There are

> > > >> >> >some great moments on ANYTHING as well (notably their cover of

> > >"Alone

> > > >> >> >Again Or" and the title track, which is essentialy a

> > >wafer-thin-re-write

> > > >> >> >of Iggy Pops "Five Foot One"). I saw them again with Brian 

> James et

> > >al.

> > > >> >>on

> > > >> >> >the tour that resulted in the FINAL DAMNATION tour (`90 or 

> so?) at

> > >the

> > > >> >>New

> > > >> >> >Ritz, and they were endearingly shambollic. The last time I saw

> > >them was

> > > >> >> >in the mid-90's at since-shuttered Coney Island High. I don't

> > >believe

> > > >> >>Rat

> > > >> >> >was in attendance, but Dave was there in all his ridiculous 

> glory.

> > >It

> > > >> >>was

> > > >> >> >fun to see them, but it wasn't really "the Damned" as I'd 

> grown to

> > >love.

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >I haven't picked up a new album/single of theirs since I can't

> > >remember

> > > >> >> >when, honestly. But I listened to a clutch of Damned tracks on my

> > >walk

> > > >> >>to

> > > >> >> >work this morning, and the mere fact that their catalog stretches

> > >from

> > > >> >>the

> > > >> >> >stripped-down velocity of "Fish" and "Neat Neat Neat" through to

> > >the

> > > >> >> >ersatz psychedelia of the Naz Nomad stuff and onto their

> > >vanglorious

> > > >> >> >opuses (opi?) like the afore-mentioned "Eloise" is a testament to

> > >their

> > > >> >> >versatility.

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >Bless'em.

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >Alex in NYC

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >-----Original Message-----

> > > >> >> > >From: Mike Porthouse <Mike at rteltd.com>

> > > >> >> > >Sent: Feb 21, 2007 4:02 AM

> > > >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > > >> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

> > > >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

> > > >> >> > >

> > > >> >> > >Had the pleasure of seeing the current Damned line-up a 

> couple of

> > > >> >>times

> > > >> >> > last

> > > >> >> > >year (Vanian, Sensible, Stu, Pinch and Monty) and I have to say

> > > >> >>they're

> > > >> >>in

> > > >> >> > >good form. Best I've seen them since the re-union shows in 

> about

> > >88 or

> > > >> >>89.

> > > >> >> > >Vanian and Sensible have a massive stage presence and 

> they're now

> > > >> >>playing

> > > >> >> > >with good musicians. Always a good night out. Some good new 

> songs

> > >and

> > > >> >>a

> > > >> >> > back

> > > >> >> > >catalogue of classics. The only thing for me, which keeps them

> > >from

> > > >> >>being

> > > >> >> > >right up there with the best is their lyrics, which have never

> > >been

> > > >> >> > anything

> > > >> >> > >to get excited about.

> > > >> >> > >BTW the recent MGE DVD release is very good for any Damned fans

> > >who

> > > >> >>don't

> > > >> >> > >already own it.

> > > >> >> > >

> > > >> >> > >Mike Porthouse

> > > >> >> > >

> > > >> >> > >----- Original Message -----

> > > >> >> > >From: <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>

> > > >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > > >> >> > ><gathering at misera.net>

> > > >> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:32 PM

> > > >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

> > > >> >> > >

> > > >> >> > >

> > > >> >> > >> This was last July, and yes it WAS interesting to say the

> > > >> >>least!  Fucking

> > > >> >> > >> great, even if Casey Chaos's voice was shot.

> > > >> >> > >>

> > > >> >> > >> They came VERY close to doing it with Dave and Cap, but 

> that's

> > > >> >>another

> > > >> >> > >> story.  It is a shame though... 30 years comes round once.

> > > >> >> > >>

> > > >> >> > >> There was talk of doing a few more dates, but nothing more 

> than

> > > >> >>that.

> > > >> >>You

> > > >> >> > >> never know though!

> > > >> >> > >>

> > > >> >> > >> A couple of pics from the gig :

> > > >> >> > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20068. 

> jpg

> > > >> >> > >>

> > > >> >> > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20067. 

> jpg

> > > >> >> > >>

> > > >> >> > >> Dave

> > > >> >> > >>

> > > >> >> > >> At 13:34 20/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

> > > >> >> > >>>So the Brian James Gang thing made me curious 

> again.  Don't own

> > >the

> > > >> >> > >>>release

> > > >> >> > >>>but it sounds promising even the simplistic, idiotic lyrics.

> > >Vocals

> > > >> >>are

> > > >> >> > >>>fine.  So I stumble across their (always dreaded) myspace 

> page:

> > > >> >> > >>>

> > > >>

> > > >>http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&fri 

> end

> > > >> >> > id=106508478

> > > >> >> > >>>

> > > >> >> > >>>and what do I see...

> > > >> >> > >>>DAMNED 30th ANNIVERSARY LINE-UP:

> > > >> >> > >>>Brian James-Guitar,

> > > >> >> > >>>Rat Scabies-Drums

> > > >> >> > >>>Mani-Bass

> > > >> >> > >>>Casey Chaos-Voice

> > > >> >> > >>>

> > > >> >> > >>>This could be interesting.  Shame they couldn't do it with

> > >Captain

> > > >> >>and Rat

> > > >> >> > >>>

> > > >> >> > >>>Anyone have anymore details???  IS there a snowballs 

> chance in

> > >hell

> > > >> >>thisis

> > > >> >> > >>>coming to the US?  I would actually go see this

> > > >> >> > >>>

> > > >> >> > >>>Chris

> > > >> >> > >>>

> > > >> >> > >>>

> > > >> >> > >>> >From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>

> > > >> >> > >>> >Reply-To: TB <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>,"A list about all

> > >things

> > > >> >> > >>> >Killing

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> > > >> >> > >>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

> > > >> >> > >>> >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:10:33 -0800

> > > >> >> > >>> >

> > > >> >> > >>> >"Rob's Arse" wrote:

> > > >> >> > >>> >

> > > >> >> > >>> > >

> > > >> >> > >>> > > Grave disorder really was a return to form but Not of 

> this

> > > >> >>Earth

> > > >> >>was

> > > >> >> > >>> > > terrible!

> > > >> >> > >>> > >

> > > >> >> > >>> > > I remember seeing them at the time with Scabies on 

> drums,

> > > >> >>Vanian

> > > >> >>on

> > > >> >> > >>> > > Vocals, Moose from NMA on bass with Kris Dollimore (Mr

> > >Session

> > > >> >> > >>> > > guitar)

> > > >> >> > >>> >and

> > > >> >> > >>> > > Vanian's Grandad (wearing a LEATHER WASTECOAT).

> > > >> >> > >>> > > I left that gig totally heartbroken. They were shitter

> > >than

> > > >> >>shit.

> > > >> >> > >>> > >

> > > >> >> > >>> > > As an aside, we played wit teh Brian James Gang the 

> other

> > >week

> > > >> >>and I

> > > >> >> > >>> >have

> > > >> >> > >>> > > to say that Brian James is a lovely bloke. Shame there

> > >were

> > > >> >>only

> > > >> >>25

> > > >> >> > >>> >people

> > > >> >> > >>> > > at the gig!

> > > >> >> > >>> >

> > > >> >> > >>> >Did Brian have Dave Tregunna with him on bass? Any Lords

> > >tunes

> > > >> >>played?

> > > >> >> > >>> >More

> > > >> >> > >>> >details, man!

> > > >> >> > >>> >

> > > >> >> > >>> >T.B.

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