[kj] Muslims are not a race

[Mike Porthouse]

Bongo,

Thanks for giving me one last shot but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, in the past, when man has struggled to explain something (from volcanoes to evolution) religion has been the easy answer. I can't possibly say you're wrong just as I can't tell an alien abductee they are wrong - I have no proof. When I look at a leaf I think "fuck me, that's clever" but I don't see an overriding universal intelligence. I love hearing different peoples opinions (yes even Cracky's) on everything from the new Stranglers album to the meaning of life. It's why I've enjoyed lurking here for the past few months.

Cheers Bongo. I'm off back to my lurking.

Mike Porthouse
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  On 1/19/07, Mike Porthouse <Mike at rteltd.com> wrote: 
    Maybe I am foolish or just plain narrow minded but I don't believe there is "an intelligence that directs the realm of the living" or an "eternal universal consciousness which fuels all of creation". 



  one more try...   =)

  how does your body grow?????????
  do you do it? no!
  then what does?

  to make hair grow, to make sperm, ovaries, fingernails,lung tissue.... 
  plus, tree's, magic mushrooms, bananas, flowers, sperm whales, ants, everything in creation, everything your senses detect, has intelligence as its foundation... it doesnt need a name, but sure as fuck there is an underlying intelligence. 

  we think man is great when he can build a house,(or insert any manmade object here), but what made the stuff which man uses to make that house? has man ever made anything as great as a simple leaf? not even fucking close. (joining bits of wood together is far easier than creating the intricacies that go into the process of a living,growing leaf). 

  cool quote i just heard... 
  a fish swims up to another fish and says... "i'm looking for this thing called water, can you help me find it"

  LOL! 




    I don't have any answers to where life came from or why we are here, 


  for what its worth, i dont have a clue either



    but until I see proof of something going on 'behind the scenes' 


  look out the window, everything you see is much more than a simple noun does justice...

  anyways, i wish you a pleasant day...

  =)





    I'm happy to stumble around in my blinkered ignorance. With regards to organised religion I think we share a common ground. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: bongo 
      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
      Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:27 AM
      Subject: Re: [kj] Muslims are not a race

       
      i'll try to elaborate...


      firstly... 'supernatural'
      ...things that are natural, just of unknown origin... (our minds are small, the universe is vast)


      do YOU manufacture the sperm that is in your scrotum consciously?
      there IS an intelligence that directs the realm of the living, to deny that is just foolish!

      this unknown intelligence is the driving force behind all life...
      some ppl have a closer relationship to it than others, some even reject that it exists.
      the relationship between this intelligence and the ego/personality (persona/mask) can be descibed as a link, or a bond.. it is there regardless of your thoughts about it. 
      so, with this in mind, you religion is your relationship with this intelligence.

      of course this concept has been bastardized by thought police claiming spiritual authority, but fuck them, they mean nothing to me.

      i know this is not how most view religion, but do you think i give a fuck about most people? 
      (actually, in a way i do).
      i am here as we all are to drive our human vehicles around for a short while, enjoying the view, or crashing into the ditch... (sometimes both).


      reject the system that dictates the norm...

      its your choice!  peace, or annihilation!


      =)




       
      On 1/18/07, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com > wrote: 
        you obviously didnt understand what i was saying then...
        but perhaps that was my fault fot not expressing myself better.
        oh well. fuck it.



         
        On 1/18/07, Mike Porthouse < Mike at rteltd.com > wrote: 
          Re.

          >IMHO...

          >we all have a religion... whether admitted or not (ha)..

          No we bloody well don't. To place religion on those of us who don't believe in any of that supernatural nonsense is like telling someone who doesn't collect stamps that they have a hobby 

          >religion means 'to link' and i perceive it as the link between the ego and the divine within... 
          >or, between the transient conscious mind and the eternal universal consciousness which fuels all of creation.

          >but, it can also be viewed as the plan to link sheeple together under false doctrine to >make them more pliable to the whims of those who hold the power...


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