[kj] OT: The Day the Country Died: A History ofAnarcho-Punkfrom1980-1984

[Christof hamille]

First off I bought and read the Crass book.  It is good.  I also purchased 
Burning Britain and The Day the Country Died but have not read them yet.  
The DVD for Burning Britain stunk. S T U N K.  It is all recent clips (if I 
had to guess all form Holiday in the Sun type festivals) and the old clips 
are all common stuff (off of UK DK for example).  The only clips I was 
intrigued about was Disorder. So if The Day the Country Died DVD is anything 
like that than I don't even want to see it.

Now with Steve Ignorant show this has been debated endlessly.  Basically the 
"true punks" feel that Steve Ignorant cannot perform Crass songs in this 
capacity ever again.  Plus they are sort of pissed at him for taking the 
piss out of the Anarcho movement at the end of the Crass book.  In my 
opinion I think he is justified in doing whatever he wants.  As long as it 
is under his name.  He isn't calling it Crass.  It's his right. He was part 
of the band and wrote a lot of those songs.  Now if he is doing it for the 
check or the glory or both it doesn't really matter.  If people would pay to 
see it than so be it.

I would go if I was there.

Chris



>From: "pssyche23" <antoni at clara.net>

>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

><gathering at misera.net>

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Day the Country Died: A History 

>ofAnarcho-Punkfrom1980-1984

>Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:03:07 +0100

>

>Thanks Neil - I'm not quite sure where that rant came from - but it does 

>lead me to an interesting point to debate :

>

>FEEDING OF THE 5,000 at the Shepherds Bush Empire (Saturday 24th & Sunday 

>25th November 2007) with Steve Ignorant and others

>

>What opinions do folks have about this forthcoming event ? Good, bad or 

>indifferent ? It appears that the backlash has already begun : 

>http://www.punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?t=10765&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=057029693a460df58395ac049b6fb348

>

>Okay, £17.50 for a day or £30 for both nights - is that an issue ? Sounds 

>fair enough for a large bill if that's what's gonna happen ... to be fair 

>to whoever runs the www.punk77.co.uk website, they alternative (pro and 

>anti) write-ups on Crass ... personally I've been to a few "nostalgia" 

>events over the years (Rudimentary Peni in the early 90's, Sex Pistols, 

>Penetration, Bauhaus, Kirk Brandon's various ensembles, Ari Up's The Slits, 

>Gang Of Four, Buzzcocks, Pixies, Rollins Band playing Black Flag songs, MDC 

>and even that Crass evening at the NFT ... and even The Damned recently 

>playing all of Damned, Damned, Damned at the beginning of their 90 minute 

>set) especially if I was either too young or unenlightened at the time (or 

>missed word of mouth type gigs as I only had Sounds as a source of gig 

>listing information) - I really don't know what to expect in November 2007 

>- will the gigs be hijacked by hordes of 40 year old+ skinheads on a 

>wrecking mission (or at least punters being hassled outside in the street) 

>? Plenty of dogs on strings ? "Spare us 10p mate" now inflated to "spare us 

>a £2 coin mate" ? Hopefully a mix of old and new punters, the fully 

>committed and the mildly curious ... and me.

>

>I wonder what the real motivation behind the gig is ... why stick to just 

>playing all of Feeding... ? surely it would make more sense to revisit the 

>entire catalogue ...

>

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: Neil Perry

>   To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>   Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:13 PM

>   Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Day the Country Died: A History of 

>Anarcho-Punkfrom1980-1984

>

>

>   Er... well said!

>

>

>   pssyche23 <antoni at clara.net> wrote:

>     I bought it a while back (shortly after getting the Crass book) mainly 

>for

>     stuff on the likes of Rudimentray Peni, SubHumans, Flux etc - there is 

>also

>     a DVD out (haven't seen it though) ... you make a fair point with "I 

>have a

>     very cool girlfriend who recently got me remastered editions of early

>     Killing Joke albums (like Revelations), and there still isn't a decent

>     retrospective that deals with that band in its proper context as one 

>who

>     started in the late 1970s touring with Joy Division yet who are still 

>around

>     today, slogging ahead in the trenches of modern underground rock" ... 

>of

>     course, much depends on the opinions of the author ... it doesn't help 

>that

>     KJ have always been difficult to categorise ... they featured in the 

>Sounds

>     spin-off mag "Punks Not Dead" but I always considered them post-punk, 

>then

>     there's "alternative rock" or industrial or experimental rock (circa 

>WTF, I

>     mean how do you define Who Told You How ? Jungle Rock?) ...maybe just 

>rock

>     ... there were a few positive references in Simon Reynolds post-punk 

>book

>     "Rip It Up And Start Again" but then Mick Mercer's "Gothic Rock" book 

>had a

>     fairly large section on UK Decay yet very small dismisive passages 

>about the

>     likes of Killing Joke and Theatre Of Hate. And didn't UK Decay first 

>use the

>     "gothic" reference as a bit of a pisstake (the cover for the Black Cat 

>EP

>     was shot in a graveyard) before any scene developed ? So they were 

>really

>     post-punk too. And as for the bloody NME, they have tried to rewrite

>     history - in their world the Anarcho Punk thing never happened - there 

>were

>     never hordes of goth/punk-like punters milling about the place - cos 

>they

>     were all listening to the Human League, Blue Rondo Al A Turk, Kid 

>Creole and

>     ABC ... and shite like that ... just like with The Face magazine and 

>how it

>     went so downhill after a dozen or so brilliant issues (2 major 

>positive

>     features on KJ in number 5 and 13 then a feature on the new punks, 

>about

>     issue 20 in 1982) - no wonder the NME go on so much about The Smiths - 

>in a

>     greatest band ever poll, the NME put The Smiths at number 1 - that was 

>only

>     a ploy to deflect attention away from the other total shit they used 

>to

>     cover over the period from 1980 to 1984 ... altogether now, C U N T S 

>!

>

>     ----- Original Message -----

>     From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"

>     To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>

>     Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:23 AM

>     Subject: [kj] OT: The Day the Country Died: A History of Anarcho-Punk

>     from1980-1984

>

>

>     > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=168

>     >

>     > -Oliver

>     >

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