[kj] OT: green vinyl for mr. sheppard

[Brendan]

If you want your PhD application to stand a chance, just tack on "and it's
 impact on Global Warming" to the title and you'll be a shoo-in...whatever
a shoo-in is.

"I'm a shoo-in and I'm okay,
I sit around in shoes all day"

etc


> 	Oh dear, I was enjoying the shade...

>

> 	Well, as long as you don't incinerate PVC, the dioxin emissions

> appear to be negliable (the main emissions of dioxins seems to be

> from municipal and medical incinerators, cement kilns and

> secondary copper smelting - not from land-fills).  Dioxins are not

> NEEDED to produce PVC and (if I understand things right) is only

> formed as a by-product during PVC production from Vinyl chloride.  I

> assume that this is as with any chemical reaction; choosing

> the"right" or "wrong" conditions will maximise or minimise the yield,

> "green vinyl" should be possible to produce, it is most likely a

> question how you define the highest level of Dioxin that you can

> accept and the price you are willing to pay.

>

> 	That's as far as my ability goes.

>

> 	In my next life I'll make sure I'll get a PhD in "Dioxins and PVC,

> with a focus on musical industry", in this one I'm not sure I'd like

> to dig any further into this (I might fin the gound filled up with 7"-

> singles from the mid 80's)

>

> 	/Per G O

> 	(desperately trying to leave the limelight)

>

>

>

>

> 25 jul 2007 kl. 00.09 skrev folk devil:

>

>> Yes, I know Greenpeace can't outlaw anything. As you say they can

>> try influence governments, which is what the Stockholm convention

>> is about.

>> Please could you come back out of the shadows and tell us what the

>> dioxin alternative is?

>> Thanks.

>>

>>

>>> From: Per G Olsson <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com>

>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: green vinyl for mr. sheppard

>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:20:03 +0200

>>>

>>> Sigh:

>>> (thins brings me out of my normal "lurking" mode)

>>>

>>> 1) Greenpeace can NOT outlaw anything, they are not a legislating

>>> body - they are, however allowed to try to influence goverments to

>>> do  so.

>>> 2) I'ts not Vinyl (or PVC) that is the issue, it is Dioxins

>>> (which  previously has been used in the manufacture of PVC and

>>> sometimes can  be produced if PVC is incinerated under suboptimal

>>> conditions, albeit  in minute ammounts)

>>> 3) This small document : http://www.vinylindesign.com/docs/

>>> 600/508.pdf may give you a better picture of the whole thing...

>>>

>>> I personally would like to see dioxin levels reduced as close to

>>> zero  as possible, but that does not mean that Vinyl records can't

>>> be  produced - dioxins are NOT essential for the PRODUCTION of PVC.

>>>

>>> I also like the old 12" (and 10") -format, mainly because it ment

>>> that you got "proper" artwork...  Carefully removing a vinyl disc

>>> from it's wrapping and putting it on the turntable is akin to a

>>> Japanese tea-ceremony (even if it means that you're four seconds

>>> from  hearing "Requiem 12" Mix" pouring out of the speakers).

>>> But, there  are pitfallts with the "old format".   Apart from the

>>> fact that the  vinyl IS generating much more background noise, one

>>> caviat I found is  that if the hole in the disc isn't EXACTLY in

>>> the middle, it doesn't  mater how litlle your turntable

>>> "wobbles" (if that is the right term  - English is not my mother's

>>> tounge) the error of the disc is larger!

>>>

>>> (back into the shadows)

>>>

>>> /Per G O

>>>

>>>

>>> 24 jul 2007 kl. 22.06 skrev folk devil:

>>>

>>>>> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"

>>>>

>>>>> Greenpeace is outlawing vinyl records for them,

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> They are. It's called the Stockholm convention, and is being

>>>> endorsed by the UN. If dioxins are banned, so is vinyl, it's

>>>> intrinsic to vinyl production. But then again, I suppose you

>>>> will  always be able to buy an outsourced variety.

>>>>

>>>> http://www.greenpeace.org.nz/toxics-map/deadly.htm

>>>> http://www.greenpeace.org.nz/toxics-map/zero.htm

>>>>

>>>> It's not a hop or a skip to see why this affects vinyl production.

>>>>

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