[kj] Tomorrow's World & Technology (Re: Strange Events)

[Lennonka]

: D Good one.


I see the positive issues as well, for example - combining human neural
system and IT, biologic computing [games with DNA, ad hoc design of
medicaments...], nanotechnologies, further growth of computer chips... all
this has an unbelievable potential (also in bussiness!).

However, danger and usefullness grow with the same scale.


> "it's pretty hard to predict what may happen with technology in the

future"

Yes, but there's a method for making scenarios of few possible future
time-lines.
It's a method used by companies to make management decisions [Shell uses it,
for example].
When I was studying in the Netherlands, we were trying to make such
scenarios and watch the ethic and social aspects of the new technology
public usage. [Some middle way between Utopia and Distopia [the worst
case].]
It gives a glimpse of possibilities - pros and contras.
I just wonder if people who advertise the newest technologies for bringing
it to use, do use it and are aware of consequences. However, nobody will
stop the progress - regardless of the direction.

"Enjoy (y)ourselves. This is (y)our new age!"

Lenn

PS. I think that the only way to be safe [with technologies or without] is
to "illuminate" the whole humankind.
But most of it is still kept in deep hypnotized sleepwalk. This is the real
"Matrix".

2007/11/8, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>:

>

> I think something along those lines is possible, perhaps not with time

> travel, but I'm open to that. As much as physicists do know how the

> physical world acts and interacts, no one really knows WHY gravity works,

> what most forms of energy are, hence what matter is...etc etc. I read New

> Scientist mag, don't claim to understand half of it, but one thing I have

> picked up is this massive level of uncertainty about...stuff. Science is

> discovering new stuff all the time, but that is also broadening the scope

> of what we know we don't know...

>

> As for what's possible in the future...well looking back, practically NO

> ONE predicted the surge in popularity of the internet (it's now so

> ubiquitous that you don't have to capitalise the i...),. If you read

> technology books pre early 90s, pre the first WWW browser, including Bill

> Gates' one, it just didn't occur to most people. I read a book about the

> guy who drove (not really invented) Netscape, Jim Clark I think, he and

> the guy who invented the technology behind it went around for months

> promoting the internet browser (www / html) to corporates and venture

> capitalists and no one could really see their vision. Which is not really

> their fault, I mean...it's just such a new concept.

>

> My point being, it's pretty hard to predict what may happen with

> technology in the future. Who knows how many quantum leaps similar to the

> internet there are going to be...? And for all that implants are going to

> cause all sorts of personal privacy and control / manipulation issues, I

> can see potential positives as well. Downloading memories, skills, maps,

> languages, being able to stand there pretending to listen to the mother in

> law while you're playing a game of Quake in your head...while listening to

> Killing Joke, and of course:

>

> "Jiu jitsu?...I'm going to learn...Jiu Jitsu?"

>

> -Neo

>

> > I'm going to shoot out my brain voluntarily...

> >

> > (Convince me that Matrix/Terminator visions are NOT possible.

> > Not talking about the farm of animals...)

> >

> > Lenn

> >

> > PS. Yes, I'm a mad [wo]maniac. And I enjoy it!

> >

> > 2007/11/8, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>:

> >>

> >> Christ on a bike, look at how our understanding of science has improved

> >> in

> >> the last 100 years...by about 2020 desktop computers will have the

> >> processing power of the human brain (which is huge), so imagine the

> >> computing power of 10 million of them all hooked up (distributed

> >> processing, it's already been happening for ages).

> >>

> >> The 21st century is very likely going to see advances in biology that

> >> will

> >> rival what the 20th century did with physics (which is itself improving

> >> steadily)...and all this while we put a hell of a lot more effort into

> >> killing each other than science.

> >>

> >> I think when we've had several decades of lack of progress

> >> scientifically,

> >> THEN focus on our limitations, until then there just doesn't seem to be

> >> any ceiling that I can see. There's going to be loads of ethical issues

> >> of

> >> course...if you have a look on Youtube and other sites, people are

> >> already

> >> starting to be implanted with RFID chips, US passports I gather have

> >> RFID

> >> chips embedded, some credit cards possibly...it's 'interesting times'

> >> alright.

> >>

> >> > Not exactly speaking from a scholarly point of view here (that's an

> >> > understatement if there ever was one), but....

> >> >

> >> > I think that moving forward or even backward through time, whether

> >> > possible or completely impossible, is most likely far beyond the

> reach

> >> of

> >> > stupid little human beings. I doubt our fragile little 90%-water

> >> bodies

> >> > could withstand the force exerted by such flights of fancy. It would

> >> > probably be the equivalent of being sucked through a black hole

> which,

> >> so

> >> > I've read, would theoretically turn the average person into human

> >> > spaghetti.

> >> >

> >> > In the grand scheme of things, we are finite little creatures living

> >> > finite lives and we're stranded on our little, tiny, infintesimal,

> >> nothing

> >> > of a chunk of rock and water. I doubt we're meant for much more.

> >> > Hopefully, i'm wrong, cuz i've got some scores to settle with a few

> of

> >> my

> >> > grade school teachers.

> >> >

> >> > Leigh

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > ----- Original Message ----

> >> > From: Flight Bringer <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>

> >> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 12:52:47 PM

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] Strange events

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Thats is indeed a good theory......but the reality is that we cant

> >> even

> >> > get the trains and buses to run on time , let alone getting them to

> >> arrive

> >> > before they've even departed.

> >> >      But the theory below is akin to saying "It is possible for Man

> to

> >> > drink a glass of water.......so that means that its also possible to

> >> > Man to drink the Pacific ocean.........with all the fish included

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:24:46 +0000

> >> > From: DavidSchofield at liberata.com

> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] Strange events

> >> >

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> >> >

> >> > Nobody has proved that backwards time travel is possible (yet), but

> >> > relative forwards time travel is possible. Time can be observed going

> >> at

> >> > different rates depending on your relative velocity – the faster you

> >> go,

> >> > the slower time goes relative to someone who is stationary (not that

> >> you

> >> > are ever stationary – stood still you have a velocity of ~30km/s just

> >> from

> >> > the planet orbiting the sun). I think on a transatlantic flight there

> >> is

> >> a

> >> > half second or so difference, but the nearer you get to the speed of

> >> light

> >> > the larger the difference.

> >> >

> >> > This leads to the ability to travel forward in time. If you could

> >> travel

> >> > fast enough, for long enough, then you could get a significant

> >> difference

> >> > between your time and the time on earth. So, in theory if we threw

> you

> >> off

> >> > into on a mission to the nearest star at 50% of the speed of light,

> it

> >> > would take you ~40 years (of your time) but to us, it would take ~47

> >> > years. At 99.99% of the speed of light, it would take you 4 months,

> >> but

> >> to

> >> > us it would be 24years.

> >> > .

> >> > You can slow light down by passing it through a medium such as glass

> >> or

> >> > water.

> >> >

> >> > Time is theoretically linked to other forces also, sufficiently high

> >> > gravity or magnetic fields could also be used to slow time

> relatively.

> >> >

> >> > You can also get Tachyons, which are faster than light particles, but

> >> they

> >> > are still theoretical. Perhaps CERN will find some.

> >> >

> >> > My head now hurts.

> >> >

> >> > Dave

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> >> > On Behalf Of Flight Bringer

> >> > Sent: 07 November 2007 16:52

> >> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] Strange events

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > It just isnt possible to go either back or forward in time , you can

> >> dress

> >> > it up as much as you like and give as many theories as you want , but

> >> > there is no way that time can be reversed .

> >> >     It just isnt possible for that chicken that I ate today to be

> once

> >> > again running around a farm like it was a few weeks ago . If I went

> >> > and chopped a tree down last week and then sawed it up and burnt it

> to

> >> > ashes, there is no way that those ashes could ever reinvent

> themselves

> >> > as wood and then materialise itself as the same

> >> > tree.......................................Impossible

> >> >

> >> >> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:05:31 +0000

> >> >> From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk

> >> >> To: gathering at misera.net

> >> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Strange events

> >> >>

> >> >> The experiments at CERN could conceivably cause some

> >> >> strange effects with time/space.

> >> >>

> >> >> "The clock turned backwards"

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> > OK, I know I am setting myself up here for ridicule

> >> >> and piss take.

> >> >>

> >> >> > However, despite appearances, those that have had

> >> >> the misfortne to meet me,

> >> >>

> >> >> > will probabbly testify that I am quite rational and

> >> >> sound of mind.

> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

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