[kj] More on the Johnny Depp/Dave Vanian "coincidence"

[Alexander Smith]

Where do you think the tonsorial aesthetic of Lily Munster came from?

I hear what you're saying, but honestly -- I doubt Dave really cares.  
If anything, he's probably flattered.

Alex in NYC


On Nov 13, 2007, at 2:08 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:


> Just to play Devil's Advocate -- Vanian said he got the distinctive  

> hairdo from Lily Munster, not any Hammer Horror films, though  

> obviously in interviews he's said he loves the Hammer stuff and I've  

> no doubt that's heavily colored his demeanor, clothing, etc.

>

> And "Dave Vanian" as stage persona/invented character (like Paul  

> Reubens vs. Peewee Herman), and thus intellectual property, versus  

> an actor, Depp, who routinely adopts others' personae for his roles  

> -- that angle could be played up.

>

> Thing is, Vanian doesn't get out of his Vanian persona off stage,  

> like Paul reubens, who is not always Peewee Herman. Dave Vanian  

> really seems to be Dave Vanian 24/7 -- which is cool. And, yeah, it  

> might look petty. Unless he said something politely & discretely to  

> DreamWorks, and they got scared, and just offered him something  

> offhand, frightened when they saw older music videos and the like,  

> to just get him out of their hair. It'd be nice for that to happen  

> to Mr. Vanian, I think. I mean, there are whole subgenres of horror  

> punk and the like that make way more money than The Damned ever had.  

> It'd just be nice to see someone like him get some sort of payoff  

> for pushing a substantial part of musical culture into the vampire- 

> obsessed, gothy direction its gone. But Vanian has always struck me  

> as particularly modest and low key, not someone to toot his own horn  

> -- which is one of the reasons I admire the guy.

>

> -Oliver

>

>

>

> Alexander Smith wrote:

>>

>> Moreover, it'd look pretty petty on Vanian's part, not to mention  

>> the fact that Vanian himself appropriated that aesthetic from  

>> Hammer horror films.

>>

>> I mean yeah -- I agree that the similarity is pretty striking, but  

>> it's not really a copyright/trademark issue, I don't think.

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>> On Nov 13, 2007, at 1:49 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>>

>>> That's true -- as Jim Carrey said, "Imitation is the sincerest  

>>> form of plagiarism."

>>>

>>> You're right, a lot of times a rip-off is billed as an homage/ 

>>> tribute. That's a good cultural/legal defense. Oh well.

>>>

>>> -Oliver

>>>

>>

>>

>

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