[kj] More on the Johnny Depp/Dave Vanian "coincidence"

[Brendan]

And Alice Cooper would be suing the fuck out of practically everyone...and
anyone who could settle the debate about the origins of punk and the
origins of the punk look, would be worth billions...


> HA!!!  Are you serious?!?!?  If Dave Vanian could sue Johnny Depp (or

> DreamWorks) for having a streak in his hair, then shouldn't Al Jourgensen

> (or Rob Zombie/Helios Creed/Zodiac Mindwarp) be able to sue them for

> donning

> his image in Pirates of the Carribean?

> Get real...

>

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> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

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> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:08 AM

> Subject: Re: [kj] More on the Johnny Depp/Dave Vanian "coincidence"

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>> Just to play Devil's Advocate -- Vanian said he got the distinctive

>> hairdo from Lily Munster, not any Hammer Horror films, though obviously

>> in interviews he's said he loves the Hammer stuff and I've no doubt

>> that's heavily colored his demeanor, clothing, etc.

>>

>> And "Dave Vanian" as stage persona/invented character (like Paul Reubens

>> vs. Peewee Herman), and thus intellectual property, versus an actor,

>> Depp, who routinely adopts others' personae for his roles -- that angle

>> could be played up.

>>

>> Thing is, Vanian doesn't get out of his Vanian persona off stage, like

>> Paul reubens, who is not always Peewee Herman. Dave Vanian really seems

>> to be Dave Vanian 24/7 -- which is cool. And, yeah, it might look petty.

>> Unless he said something politely & discretely to DreamWorks, and they

>> got scared, and just offered him something offhand, frightened when they

>> saw older music videos and the like, to just get him out of their hair.

>> It'd be nice for that to happen to Mr. Vanian, I think. I mean, there

>> are whole subgenres of horror punk and the like that make way more money

>> than The Damned ever had. It'd just be nice to see someone like him get

>> some sort of payoff for pushing a substantial part of musical culture

>> into the vampire-obsessed, gothy direction its gone. But Vanian has

>> always struck me as particularly modest and low key, not someone to toot

>> his own horn -- which is one of the reasons I admire the guy.

>>

>> -Oliver

>>

>>

>>

>> Alexander Smith wrote:

>> >

>> > Moreover, it'd look pretty petty on Vanian's part, not to mention the

>> > fact that Vanian himself appropriated that aesthetic from Hammer

>> > horror films.

>> >

>> > I mean yeah -- I agree that the similarity is pretty striking, but

>> > it's not really a copyright/trademark issue, I don't think.

>> >

>> > Alex in NYC

>> >

>> >

>> > On Nov 13, 2007, at 1:49 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>> >

>> >> That's true -- as Jim Carrey said, "Imitation is the sincerest form

>> >> of plagiarism."

>> >>

>> >> You're right, a lot of times a rip-off is billed as an

>> >> homage/tribute. That's a good cultural/legal defense. Oh well.

>> >>

>> >> -Oliver

>> >>

>> >

>> >

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