[kj] Celtic fan vs Dida attack

[melinda grant]

   wow alex,  i second your post---i was just thinking that and you beat me to it,great minds think alike hay :))
 
hope alls well mate in your world ok.
 
melinda


From: vassifer at earthlink.netDate: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:11:13 -0400To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Celtic fan vs Dida attack
 

Secondly, you're an idiot.

Alex in NYC



On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Flight Bringer wrote:
 We are Men Alex , and violence and aggression is what we thrive on.Its about conquering the enemy...........being victorious.........in battle............and having the scars to prove it....................its what being a MAN is all about
 

From: vassifer at earthlink.netDate: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:04:40 -0400To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Celtic fan vs Dida attack

You can cite as many isolated incidents of music-event-related violence as you like, but ultimately they will ALWAYS be dwarfed by the plague of sports-related incidents. Entire books have been written on the subject. Competitive contact sports thrive on aggression and violence. Admit it and deal with it. 

To suggest otherwise indicates that you're living in a cocoon of utter denial.

Alex in NYC


On Oct 5, 2007, at 7:54 PM, Brendan Quinn wrote:


Stones’ ‘security guards’ killing the guy on stage…? 
 
The story behind the Nirvana song Polly:
 
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2715
 
Sports can be used as a pretext for violence just like anything else, it doesn’t mean there is anything inherently violent about them. Correlation does not prove causality…would anyone agree with me on that?
 




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Alexander SmithSent: Saturday, 6 October 2007 4:13 a.m.To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Celtic fan vs Dida attack
 

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't recall anyone getting "nearly castrated" for wearing an Exploited t-shirt at a Ozric Tentacles show or anything like that.

 

Alex in NYC

 

 
 


On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Flight Bringer wrote:

Oh Alex, you are in a foul mood today arent you? Go and have a game of frisbee or something or go for  a jog on the park , or is that considered to be too sports like ?    Its not only sports fans that are tribal and confront people from other tribes , music fans also do this .     > From: vassifer at earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:31:39 -0400> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Celtic fan vs Dida attack> > Need I say more? Sports fans = fucking idiots.> > Alex in NYC> > > > On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:37 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:> > > [Here's something related: Texas Longhorns fan "nearly castrated" > > by angry Oklahoma fan in Okla bar -- and the guy who "almost > > castrated" the Texas fan is a church deacon and Army vet, to boot, > > according to article. - Oliver]> >> >> > http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hYCD4Gu5sgpDRm3qzPcAyhDNNLDQ> >> >> > Football Rivalry at Center of Bar Fight> > By SEAN MURPHY – Sep 11, 2007> >> > OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — To some Oklahoma football fans, there are > > things that just aren't done in the heart of Sooner Nation, and one > > of them is to walk into a bar wearing a Texas Longhorns T-shirt.> >> > That's exactly what touched off a bloody skirmish that left a Texas- > > shirt-wearing fan nearly castrated and an Oklahoma fan facing > > aggravated assault charges that could put him in prison for up to > > five years.> >> > The shocking case has set off a raging debate in this football- > > crazed region about the extreme passions behind a bitter rivalry. > > Some legal observers have even questioned whether this case could > > ever truly have an impartial jury.> >> > "I've actually heard callers on talk radio say that this guy > > deserved what he got for wearing a Texas T-shirt into a bar in the > > middle of Sooner country," said Irven Box, an attorney in this city > > 20 miles from Oklahoma's campus in Norman.> >> > According to police, 32-year-old Texas fan Brian Christopher Thomas > > walked into Henry Hudson's Pub on June 17 wearing a Longhorns T- > > shirt and quickly became the focus of football "trash talk" from > > another regular, 53-year-old Oklahoma fan Allen Michael Beckett.> >> > Thomas told police that when he decided to leave and went to the > > bar to pay his tab, Beckett grabbed him in the crotch, pulled him > > to the ground and wouldn't let go, even as bar patrons tried to > > break it up. When the two men were separated, Thomas looked down > > and realized the extent of his injuries.> >> > "He could see both of his testicles hanging on the outside of his > > body," said Thomas' attorney, Carl Hughes. "He was wearing a pair > > of white shorts, which made it that much worse."> >> > It took more than 60 stitches to close the wound, and police > > interviewed Thomas at a nearby hospital emergency room.> >> > Beckett's attorney, Billy Bock, concedes that his client commented > > about Thomas' shirt, but said it was just good-natured ribbing and > > that he apologized to Thomas when it appeared to upset the Texas > > fan. Later, Bock said Thomas approached his client at the bar and > > threatened him.> >> > "My client is a little man, and this guy (Thomas) is 30 to 40 > > pounds bigger than him," Bock said. "He's bigger, stronger, younger > > and probably faster, and he aggressively leaned in and touched my > > client and threatened to beat him up. ... My guy was defending > > himself and just took control of the situation."> >> > Thomas' attorney disputes Beckett's version.> >> > "That's total malarkey," Hughes said. "My client never said a word > > to him. He got up to pay and when he paid and left a tip, the guy > > grabbed him."> >> > Beckett, a 53-year-old church deacon, federal auditor and former > > Army combat veteran, has pleaded not guilty. His next court > > appearance comes Oct. 4, two days before the Sooners and Horns > > tangle in their annual football game at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas.> >> > Thomas, who once lived in Houston and became a Texas fan during the > > heyday of star running back Earl Campbell, is still recovering from > > his injuries but has returned to work as a meat cutter at a Sam's > > Club warehouse store.> >> > Like Beckett and Thomas, many fans of the two college squads never > > attended either university, but have come to identify so closely > > with these teams that they attach banners to their cars, wear team > > colors on game day and even have programmed their car horns to play > > school fight songs.> >> > Dallas police Sgt. Andy Harvey, a 12-year veteran of the force, > > said it's not uncommon for fights to break out between fans of the > > two schools.> >> > "People are passionate about their teams and their universities, > > and that's a good thing," he said, "but when you mix a real > > passionate sports fan and then get a little alcohol in there, > > sometimes it's not a good mix."> >> > On both Texas and Oklahoma fan Web sites, boosters trade familiar > > tales of having their car tires slashed or windshields smashed for > > sporting the opposing team's sticker in enemy territory.> >> > Assistant District Attorney Scott Rowland said the rivalry will > > have no bearing on the way the case is prosecuted.> >> > "It appears that it played a part in the fight," he said, "but that > > won't play any more of a role in our handling of the case than > > would a fight over a girl or a car or a song on the jukebox."> > Hosted by Google> >> >> >> >> >> > Alexander Smith wrote:> > > No it doesn't. The appreciation of music isn't enforced and > > ingrained into the fragile minds of the young by educational > > institutions in as nearly a potent and MANDATORY a fashion as > > sports are.> > >> > >> > >> > > Alex in NYC> > >> > >> > >> > > On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Flight Bringer wrote:> > >> > >> Music has more responsibility for "fucking up American society" > > than what sports does , plus having a Country full of fuckwits > > doesn't help...........> > >>> > >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering



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