[kj] off topic - FR. PERDURABO

[Blazingstar418]

More grist for the mill.
Even a brief mention of Scientology in this interview. :D

"DOKTOR             SNAKE : During the early 1970s you practiced Aleister Crowley's         system of Magick, which you found to be a very effective method of mind         expansion. Do you think the magickal system outlined by Crowley is relevant         to today's world - or are there faster, more effective systems around         now?        RAW             : I don't think one system works for everybody. I have found great         value in LSD, Crowley, Reichian body work, NLP, brainwave machines, some         Sufi and yoga exercises, general semantics etc. Other people will find         some of these irksome or stressful. Everybody has to find their own path.         Some seem to have found value even in psychoanalysis, but I don't know         why. Some even follow Scientology, which puzzles me even more. Different         scenes for different genes, different lanes for different brains." 
And, from the same article:
"DOKTOR             SNAKE : What aspects of the various quantum theories do you most         agree with and why? And which ones do you disagree with?        RAW             : To make           explicit what has lurked implicitly in all my answers, I have much           agreement for the "model agnosticism" created mostly         by Niels Bohr. A similar model agnosticism appears in the general semantics         of Korzybski and the ethno-methodology of Garfinkle. According to this         viewpoint, we should never believe in our models or maps of Universe         the way most people believe in their religion or ideology."
 Good on both of us. 

A L P

 

Blazingstar418 <blazingstar418 at yahoo.com> wrote: I think that Wilson took a lot of inspiration from both Crowley and Thelema.
 At least he seemed to quote Crowley fairly frequently. ;)

 I agree that Wilson painted with a very rich and diverse pallete and it would probably be unfair to pigeonhole him in *any* way.

 Just trying to connect the dots in this thread, you know?

A L P

powens <powens at gmail.com> wrote: I don't think it's quite right to say that RAW was a "follower of Thelema".  He described himself as a "model agnostic" and Thelema was just one of the many schools/tools that he used to express/explain his ideas. If you have to categorise him then Discordian would do but  "follower of Thelema" misses the mark by quite a way. 

John-Paul

On 18/10/2007, Blazingstar418 <blazingstar418 at yahoo.com> wrote: Oh, I knew what you meant, and I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I just figured that there were some folks on the list that didn't know about the "black magical" side of Hubbard.
He's been stealing money from important people for a loooooong time.  

Usually any time Crowley gets brought up on this list it's the usual "did he *really* eat babies and drink cat's blood?" nonsense, and I figured that we could use that bit of vilification aimed elsewhere for a change. ;) 

A L P

Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:                 My point is that Hubbard was a total piece of shit and Bob Wilson was a fucking genius, I'm aware that Hubbard was into Crowley. 
   
       
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  From:  gathering-bounces at misera.net  [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of  Blazingstar418
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   " Hubbard and. RAW don't belong in the same sentence!  "
 
  Au Contraire!
 Both were followers of Crowley's philosophy of Thelema.
 
  Hubbard was even a member of the Ordo Templi Orientis for awhile. 
 
 Google "Hubbard + O.T.O." for a laugh.
 
  Don't forget to read between the "Black Magick" bullshit lines. ;)
 
 A L P
 
 
  Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:
   Hubbard and. RAW don't belong in the same sentence! (He said, making sure
 he  didn't do it himself...)
 
 In the light they were victorious, lol.
 
 Huh?
 
 How was he related to President chimp?
 
 Did you read the linked article...? Few emails back, don't have it at work 
 at the mo  sorry...
 
 
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 > He hung out with Hubbard and Anton-Wilson...?
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 > In the light they were victorious, lol.
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 > How was he related to President chimp?
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 > I was browsing in HMV at lunchtime and chanced upon a rather tacky looking 
 > semi documentary DVD
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 > concerning Aleister Crowley. I picked it up and read the blurb on the back
 > and was amused to read that
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 > the documentary dealt with the theory that AC was related to  ole
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