[kj] the essence [Tool]

[cliffmonka at alaska.net]

oh come on we all know you like the tool Leigh,hehe



> Yeah, even Aenima really let me down at the time, though I wasn't really able to

> admit it to myself cuz I was still a HUGE fan at that point. So I suffered through

> the likes of Push It and H and Eulogy before seeing the light some years later. By

> the time Lateralus came around, I was more than ready to admit that they had become

> worthless. What really grabbed me though was the first A Perfect Circle album. It

> seemed like the Tool antidote. It was like they picked up where Undertow left off.

> Then they release their 2nd album and it sounds EXACTLY LIKE TOOL, complete with

> rambling, proggy arrangements. A dude just can't win sometimes. But, like I said,

> 10 000 Days has some decent moments throughout. Either way, the very best that Tool

> has to offer only really rates a C+ with me. So their becoming a shitty band really

> isn't any great loss. You can do so much better than Tool.

>

> Leigh

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Jiri <unspeakable at sbcglobal.net>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2007 3:55:04 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence [Tool]

>

> Ha, Leigh, it's like you've channeled my Tool experience exactly. Opiate and

> Undertow so great -- and then what? Only moments. Rehashed songs, made longer. I

> couldn't figure it out: they seemed to get more and more popular while I

> appreciated them less and less. I occasionally reached with hope for post-Undertow

> LPs, like some Outside the Gate replay, thinking "maybe I'll like it more this

> time." But it never happens. I hate that frustrating feeling of really wanting

> music to sound better than it is.

>

> Then again, I enjoy Hosannas to this day...

>

> Leigh Newton wrote:

> My problem with Tool isn't really their song titles or their cover art or even

> their lyrics. It's more to do with the fact that every single song sounds like a

> rehash of the last one. A 10 minute rehash, at that.

>

> Leigh

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 9:37:36 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

>

> Danny from Tool seems to be really approachable and friendly and down to

> earth, good sense of humour, he's also mega into the whole Renne le Chateaux

> hoax for some reason, and the occult in general. And an absolutely superb

> drummer. The rest of them I'm not sure, but you need to bear in mind a lot

> of what they do is tongue in cheek...half of their song names and lyrics are

> veiled references to anal fisting etc :)

>

> My little brother incurred Maynard's wrath when he yelled out at him to

> "PLAY SOME CREED" as a joke between songs...but I don't think he heard him

> properly.

>

> Opiate and Undertow are brilliant, Hush is a quintessential rock track, I

> was actually gonna mention it as my anthem, if I had to choose one properly

> it would be that. Short, sarcastic, makes a statement, anti-establishment,

> antagonistic, explicit lyrics, all boxes ticked =)

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Leigh Newton

> Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2007 12:14 p.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

> I'll stick up for Queen anyday. I'm not too familiar with the album Jazz but

> I know that Mustapha and Don't Stop Me Now are both on there so it surely

> can't be ALL bad. Also gotta give it up for the rockers like Now I'm Here

> and Keep Yourself Alive as well as the more poppy, schlocky fair like I Want

> To Break Free and Radio Ga Ga.

>

> King Crimson really came out with some amazing stuff in the 80s. The 70s

> stuff is ok, here and there. Same with the 90s and beyond. But the 3

> Belew-era albums from the 80s are really awesome.

>

> Tool are completely up their own asses and have resided there for years.

> Opiate and Undertow are both great. It's all downhill from there. Lateralus,

> in particular, is such a shitty album. 10 000 Days has some decent moments.

>

> Leigh

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 5:49:44 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

>

> Well, I'm not going to get all red in the face attempting to defend

> Queen here. Much like their US counterparts in Kiss, I heard them

> before I ever layed ears on anything even remotely punk. Queen were

> DELIBERATE in their pomp-rock ridiculousness, but at least they

> didn't take themselves so dreadfully seriously (i.e. those gents in

> E.L.P, Yes, etc.) And, they made some absolutely fantastic music

> along the way. Sure, "Bicycle Race" is vaudevillian nonsense, but

> listen to "Sheer Heart Attack," "The Prophet's Song," "Fight From The

> Inside," "Stone Cold Crazy" -- they wrote some great stuff.

>

> No matter what, they're far better than Bob fucking Dylan.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Sep 5, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Darren A. Peace wrote:

>

>

> Good to see you timed that to cut off before the Flash soundtrack,

> but ...

> Jazz? Honestly?

>

> Queen, to me, epitomise the sort of pomp-rock nonsense I hate. I

> acknowledge

> there's a lot of personal animus, but everything from Brian May's

> Restoration wig and stadium stance, through Mr Bulsara's pre-Borat

> leotards,

> including Roger Taylor's mad ferret impersonation throughout the

> Bohemian

> Rhapsody video and Deacon's OMD Brussel sprout hair repels me.

>

> When I was at school, there was a room you could book that contained a

> shitty little record player. You got twenty minutes, booked a week in

> advance, to play your 45s (wouldn't play at 33 1/3 at all, which

> meant that

> some of my eps were not viable) to your friends. I always seemed to

> end up

> waiting outside while some greasy fucker played Bicycle Race on

> repeat. I

> remember finally kicking the door in, tearing the record off the

> deck and

> smashing it to pieces against the wall. Gave him the cash to buy

> another

> single (think he followed my recommendation and bought "No More

> Heroes"),

> but it was enormously satisfying.

>

> Darren

> Hungerford, UK

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-

> bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

> Sent: 05 September 2007 12:19

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

> Everything Queen did up through THE GAME was brilliant.

>

>

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