[kj] OT Boycott .the film Tropic Thunder

[Brendan]

If you don't like Stiller then you'll probably hate this, he was on a few
episodes of Curb Your Enthusiasm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1ps4EZz4B0

I find it a bit daft but funny :D


>

> I guess I'm opposite to you, Sade. I won't go to see the film, because of

> Stiller. The guy's face is enough to put me off.

> I am curious whether this is something of a 'cultural difference' between

> North Americans and Euros and Antipodeans??

> I had no recollection of him being in Empire of the Sun?

>

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> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:25 -0700From: saulomar1 at yahoo.comTo:

> gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT Boycott .the film Tropic Thunder

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> blankwerks wroteth:

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>> You are supposed to be laughing at their ridiculous behaviour and

>> that they ARE bigoted idiots** obsessed only with themselves,

>

>

>   So I saw the movie yesterday morning, and it was a fun ride. I haven't

> been to

> the movies in almost 2 years, but this one made me wanna go (cuz i'm a fan

> of Stiller's work).

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>

>

> ... ... ... ... ... ...

> [looking at the current state of things]

> 'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   --- On Mon, 8/18/08,

> ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>Subject: Re: [kj] OT Boycott the film

> Tropic ThunderTo: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 12:59 PM

>

> It will probably work better over here as we tend to get that they're

> playing loathsome characters. A lot of our humour seems cruel, but is

> actually putting up a mirror to nastiness. Check out Brass Eye or The Day

> Today if you ever get chance.

>

> Better still, just keep on censoring, eh.

>

> -----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of blankwerksSent: 18

> August 2008 10:52To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)Subject: Re: [kj] OT Boycott the film Tropic Thunder

> Again, isn't the inclusion of a clearly white, and not knowedgable about

> any black issues, actor, blacked up and frankly ludicrous, just part of

> the story to indicate clearly how out of touch and precious that this

> bunch of actors are?The whole thing surely is to demonstrate how

> ridiculously self obsessed and self appreciating this bunch of idiots are,

> and how they clearly have delusions that their "art" propels them to a

> status where they are free to comment and judge, and indeed represent by

> acting any social racial or minority group.You are supposed to be laughing

> at their ridiculous behaviour and at the fact that they ARE bigoted idiots

> obsessed only with themselves, not laughing at the word "retard" or the

> fact that someone has "blacked up". The whole point is that people like

> this and attitudes like that are outdated and unwanted, and to ridicule

> people that hold those thoughts and are so dismissive of anyone who

> doesn't hold the same status as them.You are missing the whole point of

> those characters - they and their views are the ones that are being

> ridiculed, not the subjects of their discussion. Plenty of comedy and

> satirical films and programmes where main characters are used in this way

> to portray the simple mindedness of the lead character, wouldn't surprise

> me if the idea of this was lifted by Stiller from the UK version of The

> Office and more specifically David Brent's treatment and behaviour towards

> their employee who is a wheelchair user. The whole comedy in those pieces

> was directed towards the ludicrous views of Brent, and not towards the

> disabled person.Incidentally, I'm no Stiller fan - but merely because he

> isn't funny, not because he is some kind of racist disability hating

> Hollywood star.

> 2008/8/18 <cliffmonka at alaska.net>

> not to forget they have a white guy in black face,racist film aswell.they

> consultedthe NAACP but none of the agencies serving people who experience

> disabilities.Go figure,why would they care if they make fun of a

> defenseless group,utter cowardsthese hollywood people are.Completly Fked

> off,Cliff

>

>

>> Isn't the film also about the ludicrous behaviour of a group of self>

>> obsessed actors? surely their dismissal and mockery of any group is down

>> to> the fact that they are in fact a load of complete wankers only able

>> to think> about themselves?>> I don't plan on seing the film, but I know

>> the general premise is that they> are arseholes who get taught a lesson

>> and re-evaluate themselves. Their use> of the "retard" word just goes to

>> show how out of touch they are.>> Oh and protesting about it will

>> certainly do one thing - gve it more> publicity. And not get the studio

>> to take it off release.>>> 2008/8/18 <cliffmonka at alaska.net>>>> Hiya ok

>> here's a tv news story and daily news article from the protest>>

>> boycotting>> the film Tropic Thunder we did on saturday,Peace,Cliff>>>>

>> http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=8853261>>>>

>> http://www.adn.com/arts/story/496381.html>>>>>> >

>> http://www.adn.com/arts/story/496381.html>> >>> >>> >> Terrific article

>> by Tim Shriver...>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> *What 'Tropic Thunder' Thinks Is

>> Funny*>> >> By Timothy Shriver>> >> Monday, August 11, 2008; A15>> >>>>

>> >> I've been told = to keep my sense of humor about the film "Tropic>>

>> Thunder,">> >> which opens = this week. Despite my requests, I have not

>> been given the>> chance>> >> to see = the movie. But I've seen previews,

>> read about it and read>> excerpts = of>> >> the script. By all accounts,

>> it is an unchecked assault on the =>> humanity of>> >> people with

>> intellectual disabilities -- an affront to = dignity, hope>> and>> >>

>> respect.>> >>>> >> Consider this exchange:>> >>>> >> Ben = Stiller's

>> character: "There were times when I was doing Jack when>> = I>> >>

>> actually felt retarded. Like really retarded.">> >>>> >> Robert Downey =

>> Jr.'s character: "Oh yeah. Damn.">> >>>> >> Stiller: "In a weird way, I

>> had = to sort of just free myself up to>> believe>> >> that it was okay

>> to be stupid = or dumb.">> >>>> >> Downey: "To be a moron.">> >>>> >>

>> Stiller: "Yeah.">> >>>> >> At= another point, about acting like a person

>> with intellectual>> disabilities,<=>> >> BR>they say:>> >>>> >> Stiller:

>> "It's what we do, right?">> >>>> >> Downey: = "Everybody knows you never

>> do a full retard.">> >>>> >> Stiller: "What do you = mean?">> >>>> >>

>> Downey: "Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Rain Man,' look = retarded,

>> act>> >> retarded, not retarded. Count toothpicks to your cards. =

>> Autistic,>> sure. Not>> >> retarded. You know Tom Hanks, 'Forrest Gump.'

>> Slow, = yes. Retarded,>> maybe.>> >> Braces on his legs. But he charmed

>> the pants off = Nixon and won a>> ping-pong>> >> competition. That ain't

>> retarded. You went = full retard, man. Never go>> full>> >> retard.">>

>> >>>> >> I worked with the = Farrelly brothers on a film on this topic. I

>> know>> about>> >> edgy comedy. = I'm also told that movies are

>> equal-opportunity>> offenders.>> >>>> >> So = here's an

>> equal-opportunity response to the equal-opportunity>> offenders:>> >>

>> People with intellectual disabilities are routinely abused,

>> neglected,=>> >> insulted, institutionalized and even killed around the

>> world. Their =>> parents>> >> are told to give up, that their children

>> are worthless. Schools = turn>> them>> >> away. Doctors refuse to treat

>> them. Employers won't hire = them. None of>> this>> >> is funny.>> >>>>

>> >> For centuries, they have been the = exception to the most basic>>

>> spiritual>> >> principle: that we are each equal = in spirit, capable of

>> reflecting the>> >> goodness of the divine, carriers = of love. But not

>> people with>> intellectual>> >> disabilities. What's a word = commonly

>> applied to them? Hopeless.>> >>>> >> Let's consider where we are in =

>> 2008. Our politics are about overcoming>> >> division, our social

>> movements = are about ending intolerance, our great>> >> philanthropists

>> promote ending = poverty and disease among the world's>> poor.>> >> Are

>> people with intellectual= disabilities included in the mainstream of>>

>> >> these movements? For the = most part, no.>> >>>> >> Why? Because

>> they're different. Their joy doesn't = fit on magazine>> covers.>> >>

>> Their spirituality doesn't come in self-help = television. Their kind

>> of>> >> wealth doesn't command political attention. = (The best of the

>> spirit>> never>> >> does.)>> >>>> >> Sadly, they're such an easy =

>> target that many people don't realize whom>> they>> >> are making fun of

>> when = they use the word "retard." Most people just>> think>> >> it's

>> funny. "Stupid, = idiot, moron, retard." Ha, ha, ha.>> >>>> >> I know: I

>> could be too sensitive.= But I was taught that mean isn't>> funny.>> >>

>> And I've been to institutions = where people with intellectual>>

>> disabilities>> >> are tied to beds or lie on = concrete floors,

>> forgotten. I've heard>> doctors>> >> say they won't treat = them. I know

>> Gallup found that more than 60>> percent of>> >> Americans don't = want

>> a person with an intellectual disability at their>> >> child's =

>> school.>> >>>> >> I've talked to people with intellectual disabilities

>> who = cry over>> being>> >> insulted on a bus. I've received too many

>> e-mails from = people who are>> >> devastated not by their child's

>> disability but by the = terror of being>> >> laughed at, excluded and

>> economically devastated.>> >> It wasn't funny when Hollywood humiliated

>> African Americans for a>> >> gener= ation. It's never funny when good

>> and decent human beings are>> >> humiliated= . In fact, it is dangerous

>> and disgusting.>> >>>> >> This film is all that = and more. DreamWorks

>> went so far as to create a>> >> mini-version of Simple = Jack and posted

>> it online. The studio has since>> >> pulled it down, = realizing it had

>> gone too far, even in an age of edgy,>> >> R-rated = comedies.>> >>>> >>

>> So, enough. Stop the hurtful jokes. Talk to your children = about>>

>> language>> >> that is bullying and mean. Ask your friends, your =

>> educators, your>> religious>> >> leaders to help us to end the stubborn

>> myth = that people with>> intellectual>> >> disabilities are hopeless.

>> Ask Hollywood = to get on the right side of>> >> dignity.>> >>>> >> I

>> hope others will join me = in shutting this movie out of our lives and>>

>> our>> >> pocketbooks. We don't = live in times when labeling and

>> humiliating>> others is>> >> funny. And we = should send that message

>> far and wide.>> >>>> >> *The writer is chairman of = Special Olympics

>> and a columnist for>> >> washingtonpost.com's On Faith = discussion

>> site.*>> >>>> >>>> >>> It's received mostly good reviews:>> >>>>> >>>

>> http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/tropicthunder>> >>>>> >>> That's a

>> great website, btw.>> >>>>> >>> -Oliver>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> folk devil

>> wrote:>> >>>> not sure i really want to....too many 'war' films...and a

>> haha to bang>> >>>> bang doesn't really work for me at the mo..>> >>>>>>

>> >>>> /"/>> >>>>>> >>>>>>

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>> >>>> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:42:20 -0700>> >>>> From:

>> saulomar1 at yahoo.com>> >>>> To: gathering at misera.net>> >>>> Subject: Re:

>> [kj] OT Boycott the film Tropic Thunder>> >>>>>> >>>> Anyone seen the

>> movie yet?>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...>> >>>>>>

>> >>>> /*[looking at the current state of things]*/>> >>>>>> >>>> 'Save

>> me...>> >>>>   save me from Tomorrow..>> >>>>    I don't want to /sail

>> //in this Ship Of Fools...!'   />> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>

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