[kj] Killing Joke's career
Karen Weil
karen.weil at sddt.com
Tue Dec 23 13:15:29 EST 2008
Don't you know it, dude!
Happy Christmas!
k.w.
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From: The Exorcist
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career
That damned "first true love" one just can't ever seem to let go.
At 09:08 PM 12/22/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
Nice one ... mine was "Nightime" (the now and forever favorite!) : )
k.w.
----- Original Message -----
From: The Exorcist
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career
I was a latecomer to Extremeties and it took me a while to get into it. After a few listens It's become a favorite of mine.
Patchwork or not, it's got some great songs in there with some darn strong sentiment. You don't always have to be "mystical"
or hidden or (insert whatever term you want in here) to be good. Sometimes brute force and simple spoken language do a
damned fine job.
On that note... being that Pandemonium was my first KJ album, it will always be my #1 favorite (Pleasures of the flesh, communion,
exorcism) are probably favorite songs on the album.
Cheers
At 10:49 AM 12/22/2008, GREG SLAWSON wrote:
I agree that in some ways Extremities sounds patched together, although it's still a strong, unique album. It's one of thoes ones you have to be in the mood for. "Money" got some airplay in the US, but made me not like the song b/c I heard it too much.
Pandemonium sounds a little dated, but I still think it's one of their best in terms of sound and songs...I usually hate metally stuff, but I love Georkie's chugging on that record!
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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:17:42 +1100
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career
I agree that Pandy was a big leap, but there are a few Extremities fanz on the list. I'm not really one of them, sounds a bit patched together to me, only hits first gear, except for a couple of tracks.Termite Mound and Beautiful Dead. I don't really 'get' the title track. Just my 2c worth. Perhaps I need to crank the fucker and give it a few more whirls.(while I'm on Circuit 5 or above.) Ade you're a big fan innit?
But Pandemonium leaves me with my jaw hanging open, even still. It's a mystical and musical tour de force, half the point of mysticality is that everything is not explicit or logical.having said that, it has some of my favourite lyrics, clever, but not too clever, good points driven home well. Labyrinth is a song on a totally different level, Communion as well, Exorcism.I'm repeating myself. I can't speak highly enough of Pandemonium. Pleasures of the Flesh has the most otherworldly feel & momentum to it. Jana totally sucked me in to the story within the song, the music and Jaz's singing is plaintive, earnest & heartfelt. Honest. Black Moon was / is an early / still favourite.I think a fair bit of the depth of the lyrics is only apparent if you look a level or two deeper, bearing in mind mystical symbology.
Jaz was well cast as the devil that Roc de Thingy movie, except they didn't give him the chance to let loose the hellish side of his voice, I don't think a mainstream audience could handle it quite honestly. And that is SO like something he'd say.haha ;) but seriously, I have heard better singers in terms of tone, pitch control, range, but in terms of sheer visceral gut-wrenching impact.there's only a couple who really compete. And on this album he really let it loose for the first time in a long time.
PS: none of the raw potency of the early days.
Perhaps not album wide, but Exorcism? That song'd send Beelzebum back down to where he came from, it's utterly unreal. Gimme the hardest most fucked up singer in your collection and I'll play Exorcism for you and slay him in one go. And to some extent 2003 took it to another level again with Implant, Asteroid, Total Invasion.in terms of blunt force impact.
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com
Sent: Monday, 22 December 2008 08:00
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career
Hi Brendan,
When I was writing my original post, I did hesitate slightly due to the massive leap in quality represented by Pandemonium. But although I rate it highly in its own right, I don't think it measures up to early Killing Joke for the following reasons:
* Lyrically it's nothing special - lots of Jaz being vaguely mystical, but none of the raw potency of the early days.
* Musically it stands up well, but Geordie is chugging rather than chiming, and I don't think it stands out from the crowd the way the early albums did.
* As far as I can recall, interviews with Killing Joke post-1989 were basically with Jaz, with anyone else barely getting a word in edgeways. Intellectually, KJ had become Jaz's backing band.
* Without Big Paul, there wasn't anyone to keep Jaz' ego in check.
You're right that there are some excellent tracks that came after that as well (I'd choose Aeon, Our Last Goodbye, and Lightbringer as my personal faves) but I believe that the points I make above hold true for all albums after Brighter Than A Thousand Suns.
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:44
Subject: [kj] Killing Joke's career
Yes I'm actually writing a post that I don't have to preface with OT *bows*
Recent comments about Killing Joke being on a decline since their first 6 years. I'd have to disagree and cite, specifically, 1994's Pandemonium. Quoting specific song titles on it is redundant to me, the entire album is totally, totally, solid. 2003 was also massive. And This Savage Freedom is one of the best songs eve r recorded. Zennon is brilliant as well, Universe B, 4 Stations.
KJ over the last 2 years has occupied probably more than 50% of my listening time (often averaging 4-5+ hours a day), for long stretches 100%, hugely disproportional. I don't really hold out hope of finding another treasure trove back catalog like Killing Joke.and at this rate, I just can't see music returning to the form of the past. Can only hope. Current state of play is pretty awful, unless I'm missing some boat.
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