[kj] FW: FW: FW: this is none of your business lennonka;D))

[ade]

It's a shame those things don't have a mouth attachment!

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik
Sent: 04 February 2008 00:37
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: FW: FW: this is none of your business lennonka;D))



iSeries if u please. lol

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade
Sent: 04 February 2008 00:32
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: FW: FW: this is none of your business lennonka;D))

 

Not to use, but I've ground my loins into the AS/400 at work. Nice & warm.

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik
Sent: 04 February 2008 00:19
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: FW: FW: this is none of your business lennonka;D))

You know os/400?

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade
Sent: 03 February 2008 23:13
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: FW: FW: this is none of your business lennonka;D))

 

Innit.

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik
Sent: 03 February 2008 20:27
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: FW: FW: this is none of your business lennonka;D))

Os/400 is by far the best OS but no point in harping on about it on here. lol

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade
Sent: 03 February 2008 17:52
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: FW: FW: this is none of your business lennonka;D))
Importance: High

 

Nice one Brenda - I've become SO tired of Windows bitching that I almost stick up for it these days. As if anyone other than CrApple has come up with a functionally competitive desktop OS. The snobbery from Apple fans makes me sick & frankly I've heard it all before: Spectrum v/s CBM 64, Amiga v/s Atari ST, etc, etc, YAWN. Anyway, you can get a hooky copy of Winders, stick it on second-hand hardware & you have a computer, with which you can publish content to the web - in my mind that's far more 'undergroud' or creative than having to fork out for some fancy CrApple toy. Still, the snobs won't see it. Just because someone uses Winders doesn't mean they love MS !!!!!!  As if Apple aren't a vile corporation too !!!!

 

Massively entertaining is the endless arguments for & against Winders & CrApple OS. Oh, my CPU is better than your CPU - no it ain't, not anymore you smug fucks!!!! UNIX is shit, oh, erm, that's what OSX is. Oops...

 

In fact, didn't CrApple invent EVERYTHING???  That's what their evangelists would have everyone believe. They, of course, invented the GUI, MP3 players & anything else you can think of. Oh & of course, CrApple products are 'right on', so are left-wing friendly. I love the hipocrisy!!!!!

 

Linux? Good server, but really, not flexible enough at the desktop & not enough device support. Ubuntu seems to be popular - I guess they're all ok as long as you don't use a device that there's no driver for. If I had to use a *NIX derivitive, I'd go for FreeBSD. Likely without a gui though. In fact, isn't the underlying *NIX part of OSX a port of BSD?

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn
Sent: 03 February 2008 01:27
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: FW: FW: this is none of your business lennonka;D))

I think if you did the math the carbon savings would heavily outweigh the manufacturing and support costs of the equipment, that'd be my bet at least.  

 

In terms of Linux, most honest Linux gurus I know agree that Linux on the desktop is simply inferior to Windows (servers - for sure, go with Unix / Linux). Making out like the M$ monopoly machine, while I do acknowledge it, is entirely to blame for their desktop dominance, is just wrong. My two most geeky Linux friends both run windows on their laptops / home PCs. One of whom describes himself as a "Linux Evangelist" on his CV, worked at Novell going around ranting to large audiences worldwide about how wonderful Suse Linux is. Their Auckland office gradually atrophied until it was literally only him there...woo hoo. Another Linux success story...like all the others.

 

Some Linux geeks are SO biased that they say ridiculous shit like "Linux has no viruses" (I won a bet proving that one wrong, took 30 seconds on Google...the guy was such a sullen loser about it too!). 

 

Games...Windows is the first, last and ONLY word, it's as simple as that.

Corporates, except for the odd pedantic german government dept or whatever there's not many willing to risk infecting a desktop with Linux across a large organisation

Compatibility...Linux driver updates follow M$ ones by weeks to months, if ever.

Speed...XP is snappy as hell straight out of the box, piece of piss to install, which is EXACTLY what an OS should be...plug and play, ready to go, compatible, reliable, secure (okay so 3 out of 4 ain't bad ;). I have used some seriously unresponsive pieces of Linux crap in the past, taking the hardware into account.

You can find someone who knows how to get Windows working practically anywhere in the world. And we don't all feel compelled to wear pony tails and sandals either.

 

The whole point of a desktop OS is to make the computer easy to use for the whole range of computer users while doing a lot of stuff in the background that the user should never need to know about. This is one of the main areas where Linux falls down. It is a Unix port, and unix was developed to be a streamlined server OS, which it wins hands down at. It's inferior on the desktop, currently. I'd love nothing more than to see it make HUGE inroads into the desktop market, I have been for so long I'm dubious about it ever happening now. I think a brand-new OS makes a lot more sense, not one built on NT or Unix.

 

I think if it's compiled properly, if the CPU scheduling is done correctly, there's no reason why Linux shouldn't be faster and more secure than Windows, but the Open Source community simply can't compete with the money Microsoft has to put into R&D and support (note I'm not talking about marketing, I'm talking about actually making good products)...so until something happens to change the dynamic, or they get Linux working acceptably out of the box, well I'm not holding my breath...

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2008 1:43 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: FW: FW: this is none of your business lennonka;D))

 

Well that explains where the free time came from. waiting for the damn things to compile. :)
 
Haha, correct. He was tending to do 16-20 hour days most of the time he was working on that project however, he stayed up for too many days in a row once and sent off a pretty questionable reply (i.e. a frothing rant) to mild criticism on the yoper forum once, that ended up doing the rounds in Linux circles :-)
 
How dare a hippy work at a supercomputing center! Does he not know how much carbon emissions is caused by such places? 
I sense his inner hippy is not quite as robust as we thought it to be.
 
That's an interesting point, running computers costs carbon, here's some things to consider however:
 
Computing and comms equipment enables email, IM, BBS, websites, video conferencing, online collaboration etc that reduces the need for millions of miles of travel ever year 
 
The NZ supercomputing centre uses mainly AMD Opteron processors, which require less power to run than most equivalent Intel processors
 
IT is probably trending long-term towards massive data centres hosted locally that will to some extent replace IT departments, meaning no need to have a power hungry PC with a 350+ watt power supply on every desktop 
 
Datacentres are starting to be designed in a much more electrically and thermally efficient manner, for example the heat they put out can be used to heat the building they are in, reducing the overall need for power in the bldg etc... 
 
The two main PC microchip manufacturers, Intel and AMD, are constantly making their chips more power efficient, a common trend is to cite 'performance per watt' for any given chip, which of course is constantly increasing. Most chips / chipsets these days have power-saving modes where they will cycle down in speed when it's not required, as well as shutting down whole areas of the chip, and PCs have power-saving features such as standby mode, hibernation, sleep, shutting down the hard disks, monitor etc etc 
 
Finally, computing enables research and development in so many fields related to the environment...weather modelling, population modelling / stats, materials and energy technology etc etc...LCD screens for example use about half or less power than the old CRT screens for the same size...



I agree with quite a bit of the above though (I have some interest in the tech field) and we can go on and on about that stuff. However...

"Computing and comms equipment enables email, IM, BBS, websites, video conferencing, online collaboration etc that reduces the need for millions of miles of travel ever year"



Depends... 
Since most ppl. use MS products all that saved mileage gets wasted/spent on little dickhead geeksquad cars going around fixing pc's! :)

(Sorry, I couldn't resist!)

Cheers,
Me

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