[kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

[ade]

No worries, you dirty beggar ;)

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik
Sent: 11 February 2008 00:04
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)



Lol. Best stop this conversation before we use all the euphemisms up!

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade
Sent: 11 February 2008 00:02
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

 

You 'smoke' ?  Isn't that yet another euphemism?

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik
Sent: 11 February 2008 00:00
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

I don't have a problem with it, its just the word has become abusive now. It's a semantics thing and how people perceive words. To me a fag is a cig. But hey, I smoke!

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade
Sent: 10 February 2008 23:56
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

 

See, this is when I think it goes too far. PC-tastic. What's wrong with being a fag? Oh, have I said a naughty word? Do we not need to destroy the so-called POWER of these words?

 

Suddenly we diverge. Better put me on the naughty step Mik !

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik
Sent: 10 February 2008 23:47
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

Sorry ade, but using the word fag can be offensive. I know it's just common language but that's where it all starts. It's a bit like the word nigger. Blacks can use it between themselves but get offended when other people use it. Same with fag. Gays use it all the time but not so nice when other people use it. 

 

I think there was a bit of gay bashing on the gathering around 2001.

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade
Sent: 10 February 2008 23:39
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

 

Mustardmit, I can't remember any fag bashing (is that a new euphemism?) or suchlike, but I've only been here since 2002. I've been accused of being a racist though - that REALLY pissed me off !!!

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik
Sent: 10 February 2008 23:34
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

I know you are ok Milinda, but there are a lot of gatherers not so open minded. Especially sexually. You should have seen some of the arguments before you joined.

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 10 February 2008 23:32
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

 

i am a gatherer and i have always had an open mind mik ;)
 
of course you know that already ;D!!!
 
milinda ps i dont care what colour someone is or there esxual choice-i just dont care ok ;D)))))


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From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:53:07 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

People will never, and unfortunately gatherers are as guilty as most in some respects. Which I find surprising. Not totally open minds.

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade
Sent: 10 February 2008 22:49
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

 

I'm definitely guilty of being pessimistic when it comes to shit like this - totally agree with you Mel - don't wish to shoot you down, but I guess I can come across like that.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 10 February 2008 21:43
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

it might sound idealistic but i do wish that everyone would accept  one another for the colour they are,and all sides to stop throwing insults,i know it will proberly never happen 100 percent,but still ,one day maybe ;)!!


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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:32:08 +0000
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

Well, as I said, it was a Sly Stone cover. I don't mean to keep on, but as a fan of both Perry & Ice T, I never considered it to be anything more than a cover/statement. Any nastiness on-stage, is clearly part of the statement, of how fucking pointless racism is. 'Cos we're all pink inside!!! It's a GOOD THING from Sly Stone to point out that calling someone whitey is just the same as calling someone nigger. Now we're talking. I find modern UK PC society seems to think it's ok for any sort of ethnic group to have a dig at the majority UK population because, well it's White Guilt, isn't it. Fucking double-standards rubbish.

 

Racism ain't EVER going away. It's far more complex in that it's not even about race, the colour of someone's skin is merely an indicator that kicks off a set pattern of thoughts, prejudices, in a persons' mind. We all have it built-in, some have to supress it, as they were brought up in racist environments, whereas some find it easier to supress it, due to different learnt behaviours. Coming from a shitty council estate, I was brought up with talk about pakis, etc, etc, around me. YAWN. Aren't parents supposed to be our examples? ;) Ignorance is the norm, if not something to be proud of in those places. I can honestly say I've heard people use the phrase "Strong in arm, thick in head" - now that's something to be proud of!!! Soooo.........

 

..........in cultures where little thought is encouraged, racism will be rife, as it's easier to blame EVERYTHING on the easy option, typically being 'foreigners'. I figured that bollocks out by the time I was 8, ffs.

 

 

Anyway, rant over ;)

 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 10 February 2008 19:49
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] t.b/ade-btw-ice-t and perry.f were palls also.... ;)

i am so sick of the fact that racism still exists here in this world  in this day and age of 2008,thats all i have to say on the subject reallyreally ;/  apart from its about time everyone grew up where that subject is concerned and started to change there point of view b.4 its to late  ;) a smile from me in sarcasm btw !!
 
milinda ps t.b/ade-- perry  from janes addiction and ice.t were friends ;) and im leaving it at tha as ive already posted my views on that thread yesterdayt!!


> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:51:49 +0000

> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] that shocked me t.b/ice-t and perry.f ;(

> 

> Racism is everywhere, between every different people - I'm SO bored of the simplistic white/black view. 

> 

> It was Paul McCuntny & tragically, Stevie Wonder (who should've packed it in just as the 80's started)

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of T.B.

> Sent: 10 February 2008 00:46

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] that shocked me t.b/ice-t and perry.f ;(

> 

> 

> "melinda grant" wrote:

> 

> i was quite shocked by that t.b and a little saddened ice-t and perry f(he 

> dont half look like jazes double hay ;)),are they joking? or are they just 

> portraying social tensions between black and whites in u.s.a,where there is 

> a lack of understanding between some of the cultures? note everyone is 

> rascist of course not in u.s.a but its a known fact that there is some 

> tension--t.b wished you had not posted this ;(

> 

> btw i never would of taken perry farrel as a recist i think he is just 

> acting a type of person ;)!!!!

> 

> pps personally, i have not encountered much racism in u.k,also i was born 

> and partly educated in u.k

> 

> +++++++

> 

> It's actually a cover song originally done by Sly and The family Stone and 

> was recorded (but never officially released on an album) and played live 

> with Ice T and his metal band Body Count during Jane's 1991 Lollapalooza 

> tour as a sort of confrontational indictment of racism. IMO, the idea 

> didn't quite match the song choice or execution when they did it and 

> obviously judging from your comment and other comments on the video, it 

> still confuses a lot of people to this day. However, the fact that it 

> *does* get listeners/viewers' attention and gets people questioning whether 

> it's a "joke" or not and what the true meaning behind it may be is worth 

> more than a dozen far more preachy, "feel good" songs (Michael Jackson and 

> Paul McCartney's "Ebony and Ivory" anyone?) in itself.

> 

> And yes, there is plenty of racism here in the US, and not just between 

> Blacks and Whites.

> 

> Here's a live version from that tour that may get the point across better:

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prpi-aLDoG4

> 

> T.B. 

> 

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