[kj] When Goths Cry...

[B. Oliver Sheppard]

Haha -- actually, I agree with you, ade.

Sturgeon's Law is that "90% is shit." This applies for anything, be it 
death rock, goth, or horror punk. Personally, whatever you want to call 
The Damned, I like their stuff up until about Strawberries; Siouxsie I 
only like 'til 1979 or so; I like a LOT of UK Decay; I like about 20% of 
the "Batcave" scene in the UK. I do love the '77 - '83 Misfits; the 
Cramps; 45 Grave; 50% of Christian Death; all of The Super Heroines, and 
all the many more obscure music nerd type stuff that's out there. But 
still, 90% *is* shit.

Dinah cancer, singer of 45 Grave, says she has always considered herself 
more a death rocker than a goth. To her I guess that means more like 
aggressive punk rock, just with a menacing horror-sort of imagery and 
focus. Not swirling atmospheric industrial or dance club shite that is 
called "goth" now. But the guitar-driven stuff, where it wasn't uncommon 
to see 45 Grave & TSOL on the same bill as Black Flag and the Minutemen. 
Hard to imagine that sort of lineup today since what is usually referred 
to as "goth" now is really just industrial night club music powered by 
drum machines.

-Oliver


ade wrote:

> And so begins the debate !

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> Death Rock / Goth - is it actually possible to clarify this one, other than mumbling "erm, similar-ish" ?

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> I love SOME elements of goth, such as Bauhaus, Banshees, some Sisters, mighty Nephs, March Violets. But I'm a big post-punk fan & there's that period when the cross-over was so great between those genres that you can hardly pin the bands down to any particular sound.

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> I think when I listened to that Cleopatra tribute album (here it fucking well is: http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Covers-Tribute-Bauhaus/dp/B000001JU6 - gotta puke at the reviews - gas them like badgers), with all those AWFUL covers, which are truly SHITE, I realised that I was only really interested in the earlier bands, for their inventiveness I expect.

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