[kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all a load of ...

[pssyche23]

She wasn't a punkette herself ... I was just minding my own business, didn't 
even have the Crass vinyl out of the Beggars Banquet bag ... just some gobby 
teen who started pestering me ... maybe I was being chatted up !!! We are 
talking late 1980 ... I do remember getting off the bus a stop early just to 
get away from her !!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class,working class ... it's all 
a load of ...



>> "but you're not a punk" she cried ...

>

> Christ on a bike, these people make me sick. Did she have her obligatory 

> uniform on?

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of pssyche23

> Sent: 20 February 2008 20:44

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class,working class ... it's

> all a load of ...

>

>

>

> The suicides in Wales are maybe more down the general hopelessness with no

> real jobs to be had in the former mining town and surrounds ... the more

> widespread issue of "feral youths" is probably due to lack of influence of

> positive (male) role models and respect for authority ... funny how many 

> of

> us identified with that last bit as we went through our our teens but it

> didn't necessarily materialise into mindless violence against fellow

> citizens, did it ? ... it was more a hatred or distrust of organisations 

> or

> rules but we did generally respect our elders, didn't we ?  Yeah, EMO, 

> just

> don't get it myself ... never was a punk, never was a goth ... narrow 

> jeans

> & t-shirts, bomber jacket & spikyish hair, but not cartoon punk ... I just

> liked a multitude of bands ... I remember getting slagged off by a girl on

> the top deck of a bus when aged 15 cos I'd just bought Feeding Of The 

> 5,000

> by Crass ... "but you're not a punk" she cried ... I tried to reason with

> her but failed miserably ...

>

>

> From: sade1

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:08 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class,working class ... it's 

> all

> a load of ...

>

>

>> dealing with Thatcher's and Reagan's children.

>

> That was a nice post you wrote...

>

>  Hm, "feral" is a strong term, but then, i don't live over there so I'll

> take your word on it.

> Over here in the U.S. "da' youts" are, to put it mildly, pretty tame 

> (except

> in the harsher minority neighborhoods and trailer [caravan?] parks).

>  Seen the pitiful displays that pass for punk lately? They should spell 

> it,

> "punc," with a C. It's cuter that way, and more fitting.

> Emo is a strongly recurring attitude/theme/behavior. Sad.

>

> [There is a vid on CNN called "South Wales On Suicide Watch".

> Not sure if anyone's seen it (i couldn't; for some reason my firewall

> didn't let that particular vid play)]

>

> pssyche23 <antoni at clara.net> wrote:

> They now refer to it as "feral youth" over here ... a product of a broken

> and sick society ... devoid of any compassion, values or understanding for

> anyone else - every week there appears to be another story of a family man

> who interrupts a gang of mindless idiots causing some minor trouble on the

> street, then struck down in front of their own children and left to die 

> ...

> it's like an epidemic ... nothing like the petty youth cult squabbles of 

> the

> past ... and then there's the bizarre case of Bridgend in Wales ... 

> another

> teenage suicide ... some 17 in the past year ... quote in the paper today

> from a 16 year old "these people are just bored of their lives, man. Kids

> here have been drinking, smoking dope, taking ecstasy, having sex since 

> they

> were 13 or 14, so by the time they reach my age, they've done everything 

> and

> they are bored shitless".

>

> What sort of monster has been created ?  There's a fucking world out there

> to explore and experience, the joys of seeing your own family growing up 

> ...

> it's like a section of society has been left behind ... I bet they've all

> got their multi-channel TV, mobile phones & XBOX/DS/wii etc etc ... and 

> why

> do kids aspire to all this irrelevant gangsta shite ... I think more

> grannies should go out wearing hoodies plus it keeps em warm in winter ...

> the hoodie craze would die down fairly quickly ... look, you don't live in

> the ghetto, you live in Milton Keynes & you hang around the shopping 

> centre

> ... it is not the same thing ... c'mon Jon please give us your verdict on

> this problem ...

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: folk devil

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:25 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's 

> all

> a load of ...

>

>

> The States and Britain are now dealing with Thatcher's and Reagan's

> children. Sucks, don't it?

>

> From: antoni at clara.net

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:28 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's 

> all

> a load of ...

>

>

> It's the toffs in "average middle class" working guy's clothing (a la 

> David

> Cameron) I object to ... Old Etonians, born to rule ... then again, even

> under a Labour government that I craved for, the divide between rich and

> poor seems to have got ever wider ... despite the many positive aspects of 

> a

> centre-left government, there still seems to be an illusion of democracy

> (what with dodgy dossiers and pandering to big business) ... no wonder 

> many

> of the young-un's couldn't give a shit ... and even if they do, they are

> probably materialistic and self-centred, so likely to vote for someone

> dangling the same old carrots such as tax cuts ... what sort of career

> prospects do many have ... a fast-food serving career path or drugs and

> petty crime ... so, sorry, going off tangent a bit, middle class ? What am 

> I

> ? Well, for all my centre left leanings, our family was probably lower

> middle class ... my parents never went down the pub and didn't go to bingo

> !!! Relatively poor compared with the working class family who lived next

> door, who seemed to possess all the mod cons ... I don't think class 

> really

> is an issue for folks anymore, the lines are so blurred, most people are

> somewhere in the middle ...

>

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: jpwhkj at aol.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:49 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

>

>

> Difficult to say - that quote applies here as well  Probably easier to say

> who isn't:

>

> chavs

> Ade

> errr...

> that's it

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:32

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

>

>

>  So, what is middle-class, according to Europeans and U.K.eans?

> I live in the United States and here "everybone is 'middle-class'."**

>

>

> ... ... ... ... ... ...

> As the masters rot on walls

> And the angels eat their grapes

> I watched picasso

> visit the planet of the apes

>

>

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