[kj] When Goths Cry...

[ade]

Seems pretty fucking concise mate - beautifully done !

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So if i gather correctly, 
 
Brit "working-class" =  US 'lower'**middle-class/blue-collar/laborers/workers, 
Brit "middle-class"  = U.S. professional/white collar/yuppie class, and 
the Landed Aristocracy =   Social Register <http://www.socialregisteronline.com/> -listed rich people, other East Coast "Old Money", 
                                      and other sundry "Dirty $exy  <http://abc.go.com/primetime/dirtysexymoney/index?pn=index> Money" types,etc.,
Tories, U.K. = Conservatives aka U.S. Republican Guards, 
The Normans = the Pilgrim Fathers, Sons/Daughters of the American Revolution, 
National Movement-types = Aryan Nations-types (but w/out the Ska?)
The Greens = "Tree Huggers"
 
Any others?
 
**because, again,
   everyone in the US is middle-class,
        no one here is-not middle-class,

ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


> Let's not confuse Middle Class with Nouveau Riche either.


I don't think I have so far... Jo, please add to that debate, I'm sick of screaming at a wall...

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[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of jo
Sent: 21 February 2008 22:22
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UK Northerners are quite self effacive - particularly if you come from 
Hull - the nation's pits.
Let's not confuse Middle Class with Nouveau Riche either.



>I think that tall poppy thing sounds familar to UK gatherers too...

>

> We're known for being self-effacing. I wonder why...

>

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>

>

> Yeah of course we have the same thing but it's just not something we

> emphasize I suppose, it came as a surprise to me when someone described my

> class, it was something I'd never really considered.

>

> NZ and Aussie have this syndrome that we call 'tall poppy syndrome', which

> I'm sure exists elsewhere, but seems particularly pronounced down this end

> of the planet. It's a critical attack on anyone who sticks their head up

> above the masses, people get absolutely sledged at times. Back in the day

> one of our best cricketers, Martin Crowe, used to get shit because he

> preferred wine to beer sometimes...that kind of thing.

>

> In the 'States it seems perfectly acceptible to say "I'm really good at x"

> if that's the case, which seems quite healthy to me. But in NZ you are

> encouraged to keep your trap shut and talk down all of your achievements

> so as to fit in with the rest of the lads. It's changing, it's not

> all-encompassing, but it's still there and it's a stupid way to treat

> achievement and aspiration and difference.

>

> And yeah, we have inequalities in wealth similar to other western

> nations...the whole deal. Ghettoes, drugs, blah blah.

>

>>

>>>

>>> We don't have ANY class in NZ mate!

>> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

>>

>> I thought that the Maori have had to fight for respect and a decent wage

>> and

>> some people have really posh houses - isn't there some class issue going

>> one

>> there?

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