[kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

[fluw]

just stirring the pot this argument has been done to death

but in defense of  link wray: he didn't have a mohawk or studs, instead 
he had one lung (hence the lack of lyrics), a leather jacket minus the 
studs and one seriously nasty guitar technique! but his instrumentals 
cast far more punk attitude and atmosphere than an albums worth of 70's 
punk.

and no punk player worth a rats left nad would tell you he isn't punk...


anyone offering an opinion about punk whether - who, what, where, when, 
how so - and hasn't ever picked up an instrument, jumped on stage, taken 
a steamy gob or two hocked at 'em from the mindless masses, and 
proceeded to win'em over - has no value to their opinion.

they have a right to their opinion ( to flush it that is ) but no value

that said:
in general
the best 70's punk came from the UK
the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA
the best post punk from the UK

tw

bongo wrote:

> did he have a big red mohawk and a studded leather jacket, and patches

> all over his trousers??

>

> =)

>

>

>

>

> On Jan 25, 2008 8:28 AM, fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

>   

>> punk started with link wray in 1958 with the tune rumble

>>

>>  usa

>>

>>

>> Mik wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Guess it all depends on your own personal definition of punk and how far

>> back you want to go to try to prove a point.

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>>

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

>> Behalf Of melinda grant

>> Sent: 24 January 2008 12:27

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>

>>

>>

>> talking of which,saw a great prog on bbc4 last night all about the"new york

>> punk scene"  feated new york dolls--who have been going since the early

>> 70s-1972 they started up along with lou reed,iggy,mc5,alice cooper...these

>> people are responsable for really starting the roots of punk----it was

>> malcolm mcclaren,who after having seen the--new york dolls perform at cbgbc

>> in 74--took the concept back to u.k and got the sex pistols together in 75

>> ;0

>>

>> /1974/5..debby harry,patti smith,televiosion

>> talking heads,deadboys,were also considered early punk scene as well in new

>> york,they also hungout and performed regularly at cbgbs....

>>

>> so who started punk? sorry mick it was  the newyork scene

>>

>> who put a very rough and almost dangerious edge to punk---u.k sex pistols

>> plus a small handfull of other bands at the time, some of which sprung out

>> from a group of punks known as"the bromly contingent" the rest hung out with

>> them and the pistols--they generally performed(when they could) at 100

>> club/marquee/screen on the green/dingwalls/the nastvill--all hung out

>> at"sex"(later known as--saditionarys!) mcmlarens/viv westwood alternative

>> clothes shop,along worldend part of the kings road--london!!

>>

>> milinda ps lesson over;D))),now hand in your papers for me to mark ;P

>> ________________________________

>>

>>

>> From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:18:59 +0000

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>     

>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>       

>>

>> Come on Alex, after all the arguments we have had over the years? Lol

>>

>>

>>

>> Mik

>> ________________________________

>>

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>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

>> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

>> Sent: 24 January 2008 01:01

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Alex in NYC's Favorite Vibrators songs in no particular order:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> 1) "Dragnet" (off the PUNK & DISORDERLY compilation)

>>

>>

>> 2) "Into the Future" (first track off PURE MANIA)

>>

>>

>> 3) "Troops of Tomorrow" -- for birthing his second-fave track by the

>> Exploited (the first being "Daily News").

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>>

>>

>> On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:32 PM, folk devil wrote:

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>>

>> Troops of tomorrow ;)

>> ________________________________

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>>

>> From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:47 +0000

>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>

>> thought that would get yours attention ;D))))

>>

>> the vibrators were an ok band,i exspecially like the track"the youth of

>> tomorrow" it had the most amaizing build up--starting very quietly then

>> building into a crescendo of throbbing bass/drums and drony

>> voices-7um,really like it--dont have it any longer,perhaps some kind folk

>> can upload it to the list,so everyone can hear this semi-marval of pinks

>> bygone days ;D!!!

>>

>> milinda

>> ________________________________

>>

>>

>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0800

>> From: joker at Z6.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>

>>

>> The very same!

>>

>>

>>

>> www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear

>>

>> --- folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com wrote:

>>

>> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>> To: <gathering at misera.net>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:04:16 -0800

>>

>> Is that the same Ellis that was in the vibrators?

>> ________________________________

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>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:05:10 -0800

>> From: joker at Z6.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>

>>

>> That article was spot on Greg!

>>

>> Summed it up completely, though I must admit to you that I really liked 10!

>>

>> The thing with Stanglers post Cornwell was that John Ellis just did not work

>> as a guitarist and it was rather evident that JJ was going with the flow for

>> a lot of it. Ellis' guitar was very bluse based and rather staid.

>>

>>

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