[kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

[ade]

> that said:

> in general

> the best 70's punk came from the UK

> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

> the best post punk from the UK

 
 
Incredibly well summarised, wulfdot - I agree!
 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of fluw
Sent: 24 January 2008 22:01
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)


just stirring the pot this argument has been done to death

but in defense of  link wray: he didn't have a mohawk or studs, instead he had one lung (hence the lack of lyrics), a leather jacket minus the studs and one seriously nasty guitar technique! but his instrumentals cast far more punk attitude and atmosphere than an albums worth of 70's punk.

and no punk player worth a rats left nad would tell you he isn't punk...


anyone offering an opinion about punk whether - who, what, where, when, how so - and hasn't ever picked up an instrument, jumped on stage, taken a steamy gob or two hocked at 'em from the mindless masses, and proceeded to win'em over - has no value to their opinion.

they have a right to their opinion ( to flush it that is ) but no value

that said:
in general
the best 70's punk came from the UK
the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA
the best post punk from the UK

tw

bongo wrote: 

did he have a big red mohawk and a studded leather jacket, and patches

all over his trousers??



=)









On Jan 25, 2008 8:28 AM, fluw   <mailto:fluwdot at earthlink.net> <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

  

punk started with link wray in 1958 with the tune rumble



 usa





Mik wrote:









Guess it all depends on your own personal definition of punk and how far

back you want to go to try to prove a point.





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From:  gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

Behalf Of melinda grant

Sent: 24 January 2008 12:27

To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)







talking of which,saw a great prog on bbc4 last night all about the"new york

punk scene"  feated new york dolls--who have been going since the early

70s-1972 they started up along with lou reed,iggy,mc5,alice cooper...these

people are responsable for really starting the roots of punk----it was

malcolm mcclaren,who after having seen the--new york dolls perform at cbgbc

in 74--took the concept back to u.k and got the sex pistols together in 75

;0



/1974/5..debby harry,patti smith,televiosion

talking heads,deadboys,were also considered early punk scene as well in new

york,they also hungout and performed regularly at cbgbs....



so who started punk? sorry mick it was  the newyork scene



who put a very rough and almost dangerious edge to punk---u.k sex pistols

plus a small handfull of other bands at the time, some of which sprung out

from a group of punks known as"the bromly contingent" the rest hung out with

them and the pistols--they generally performed(when they could) at 100

club/marquee/screen on the green/dingwalls/the nastvill--all hung out

at"sex"(later known as--saditionarys!) mcmlarens/viv westwood alternative

clothes shop,along worldend part of the kings road--london!!



milinda ps lesson over;D))),now hand in your papers for me to mark ;P

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From:  mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk

To:  gathering at misera.net

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:18:59 +0000

Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!









    

Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

      



Come on Alex, after all the arguments we have had over the years? Lol







Mik

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From:  gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

Behalf Of Alexander Smith

Sent: 24 January 2008 01:01

To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!















Alex in NYC's Favorite Vibrators songs in no particular order:











1) "Dragnet" (off the PUNK & DISORDERLY compilation)





2) "Into the Future" (first track off PURE MANIA)





3) "Troops of Tomorrow" -- for birthing his second-fave track by the

Exploited (the first being "Daily News").











Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.











Alex in NYC















On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:32 PM, folk devil wrote:









Troops of tomorrow ;)

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From:  hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

To:  gathering at misera.net

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:47 +0000

Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!



thought that would get yours attention ;D))))



the vibrators were an ok band,i exspecially like the track"the youth of

tomorrow" it had the most amaizing build up--starting very quietly then

building into a crescendo of throbbing bass/drums and drony

voices-7um,really like it--dont have it any longer,perhaps some kind folk

can upload it to the list,so everyone can hear this semi-marval of pinks

bygone days ;D!!!



milinda

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0800

From:  joker at Z6.com

To:  gathering at misera.net

Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!





The very same!







www.iamscuzzy.com  www.myspace.com/scuzzywear



---  folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com wrote:



From: folk devil   <mailto:folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

To:   <mailto:gathering at misera.net> <gathering at misera.net>

Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:04:16 -0800



Is that the same Ellis that was in the vibrators?

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:05:10 -0800

From:  joker at Z6.com

To:  gathering at misera.net

Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!





That article was spot on Greg!



Summed it up completely, though I must admit to you that I really liked 10!



The thing with Stanglers post Cornwell was that John Ellis just did not work

as a guitarist and it was rather evident that JJ was going with the flow for

a lot of it. Ellis' guitar was very bluse based and rather staid.





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