[kj] ot.nyc-fatchance- what about internationally ;)!

[melinda grant]

 IVE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS THREAD ON SAT,so will just add this...SEX PISTOLS WEARS THE CROWN FOR PUNK"INTERNATIONALLY/GLOBALLY/AND PROBERLY UNIVERSALLY :p!"
 
YOU CARNT BEAT THAT CAN YOU ;)
 
i also herd that k.j were the first "goth band" as well as the first"thrash metal influenced band" they invented metal;)!


From: bq at soundgardener.co.nzTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:24:49 +1300Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)








Well post punk is completely tied up to begin with, wherever Killing Joke were from was gonna be the default de facto winner! They are head and shoulders above *most* of the rest of that genre in so many ways… plenty of good competition, but shit…no one really with that whole package, that plethora of unique attributes.
 
I can’t comment too much about punk, but with my limited knowledge I’d have to agree, the Ramones stuff sounds pretty boring to me to be honest, like the same song over and over. Just my relatively unqualified opinion at this stage. Whereas the Sex Pistols, it’s absolutely dripping in invective, wit, sarcasm, outright attack on the establishment, society, the audience…I don’t mind the New York Dolls and Iggy, but a lot of that NYC scene just came across as dirty and decadent. The UK WAS dirty and decadent, but the Sex Pistols weren’t a celebration of that, a la Lou Reid, they were a reaction against it. 
 
As are Killing Joke.
 
So yeah, have to agree on the punk front, metal is another matter… 
 




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of adeSent: Friday, 25 January 2008 12:25 p.m.To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)
 


> that said:> in general> the best 70's punk came from the UK> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA> the best post punk from the UK


 

 

Incredibly well summarised, wulfdot - I agree!

 

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of fluwSent: 24 January 2008 22:01To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)
just stirring the pot this argument has been done to deathbut in defense of  link wray: he didn't have a mohawk or studs, instead he had one lung (hence the lack of lyrics), a leather jacket minus the studs and one seriously nasty guitar technique! but his instrumentals cast far more punk attitude and atmosphere than an albums worth of 70's punk.and no punk player worth a rats left nad would tell you he isn't punk...anyone offering an opinion about punk whether - who, what, where, when, how so - and hasn't ever picked up an instrument, jumped on stage, taken a steamy gob or two hocked at 'em from the mindless masses, and proceeded to win'em over - has no value to their opinion.they have a right to their opinion ( to flush it that is ) but no valuethat said:in generalthe best 70's punk came from the UKthe best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USAthe best post punk from the UKtwbongo wrote: did he have a big red mohawk and a studded leather jacket, and patchesall over his trousers?? =)    On Jan 25, 2008 8:28 AM, fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:  
punk started with link wray in 1958 with the tune rumble  usa  Mik wrote:    Guess it all depends on your own personal definition of punk and how farback you want to go to try to prove a point.  ________________________________  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] OnBehalf Of melinda grantSent: 24 January 2008 12:27To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)   talking of which,saw a great prog on bbc4 last night all about the"new yorkpunk scene"  feated new york dolls--who have been going since the early70s-1972 they started up along with lou reed,iggy,mc5,alice cooper...thesepeople are responsable for really starting the roots of punk----it wasmalcolm mcclaren,who after having seen the--new york dolls perform at cbgbcin 74--took the concept back to u.k and got the sex pistols together in 75;0 /1974/5..debby harry,patti smith,televiosiontalking heads,deadboys,were also considered early punk scene as well in newyork,they also hungout and performed regularly at cbgbs.... so who started punk? sorry mick it was  the newyork scene who put a very rough and almost dangerious edge to punk---u.k sex pistolsplus a small handfull of other bands at the time, some of which sprung outfrom a group of punks known as"the bromly contingent" the rest hung out withthem and the pistols--they generally performed(when they could) at 100club/marquee/screen on the green/dingwalls/the nastvill--all hung outat"sex"(later known as--saditionarys!) mcmlarens/viv westwood alternativeclothes shop,along worldend part of the kings road--london!! milinda ps lesson over;D))),now hand in your papers for me to mark ;P________________________________  From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:18:59 +0000Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!        
Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.       Come on Alex, after all the arguments we have had over the years? Lol   Mik________________________________  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] OnBehalf Of Alexander SmithSent: 24 January 2008 01:01To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!       Alex in NYC's Favorite Vibrators songs in no particular order:     1) "Dragnet" (off the PUNK & DISORDERLY compilation)  2) "Into the Future" (first track off PURE MANIA)  3) "Troops of Tomorrow" -- for birthing his second-fave track by theExploited (the first being "Daily News").     Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.     Alex in NYC       On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:32 PM, folk devil wrote:    Troops of tomorrow ;)________________________________  From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:47 +0000Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!! thought that would get yours attention ;D)))) the vibrators were an ok band,i exspecially like the track"the youth oftomorrow" it had the most amaizing build up--starting very quietly thenbuilding into a crescendo of throbbing bass/drums and dronyvoices-7um,really like it--dont have it any longer,perhaps some kind folkcan upload it to the list,so everyone can hear this semi-marval of pinksbygone days ;D!!! milinda________________________________  Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0800From: joker at Z6.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!  The very same!   www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com wrote: From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>To: <gathering at misera.net>Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:04:16 -0800 Is that the same Ellis that was in the vibrators?________________________________  Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:05:10 -0800From: joker at Z6.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!  That article was spot on Greg! Summed it up completely, though I must admit to you that I really liked 10! The thing with Stanglers post Cornwell was that John Ellis just did not workas a guitarist and it was rather evident that JJ was going with the flow fora lot of it. Ellis' guitar was very bluse based and rather staid.  ________________________________  Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Get it now!_______________________________________________ Gathering mailing listGathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ________________________________  Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of www.worldmap.com)  ________________________________  Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win prizes with Search Charades!  ________________________________  Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with starpower. Play now! _______________________________________________Gathering mailing listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering    ________________________________  Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463now!________________________________ _______________________________________________Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering  _______________________________________________Gathering mailing listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering           
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