[kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

[Mik]

Can I just ask how my name became associated with a thread I lost interest
in days ago? Lol. Nice to be remembered tho.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Alexander Smith
Sent: 29 January 2008 00:23
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)


Try to do better next time, son, I you won't have to stand in the  
corner with the dunce cap on.

Alex in NYC


On Jan 28, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Brendan wrote:


> Thanks Dad.

>

>>

>> Killing Joke would be the first to tell you that they weren't Punks.

>>

>>

>> And it's Lou REED, not Reid.

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>> On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>>

>>> Well post punk is completely tied up to begin with, wherever Killing

>>> Joke were from was gonna be the default de facto winner! They are

>>> head and shoulders above *most* of the rest of that genre in so many

>>> ways. plenty of good competition, but shit.no one really with that

>>> whole package, that plethora of unique attributes.

>>>

>>> I can't comment too much about punk, but with my limited knowledge

>>> I'd have to agree, the Ramones stuff sounds pretty boring to me to

>>> be honest, like the same song over and over. Just my relatively

>>> unqualified opinion at this stage. Whereas the Sex Pistols, it's

>>> absolutely dripping in invective, wit, sarcasm, outright attack on

>>> the establishment, society, the audience.I don't mind the New York

>>> Dolls and Iggy, but a lot of that NYC scene just came across as

>>> dirty and decadent. The UK WAS dirty and decadent, but the Sex

>>> Pistols weren't a celebration of that, a la Lou Reid, they were a

>>> reaction against it.

>>>

>>> As are Killing Joke.

>>>

>>> So yeah, have to agree on the punk front, metal is another matter.

>>>

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>> ] On Behalf Of ade

>>> Sent: Friday, 25 January 2008 12:25 p.m.

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>>

>>>> that said:

>>>> in general

>>>> the best 70's punk came from the UK

>>>> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

>>>> the best post punk from the UK

>>>

>>>

>>> Incredibly well summarised, wulfdot - I agree!

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>> ]On Behalf Of fluw

>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 22:01

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>> just stirring the pot this argument has been done to death

>>>

>>> but in defense of  link wray: he didn't have a mohawk or studs,

>>> instead he had one lung (hence the lack of lyrics), a leather jacket

>>> minus the studs and one seriously nasty guitar technique! but his

>>> instrumentals cast far more punk attitude and atmosphere than an

>>> albums worth of 70's punk.

>>>

>>> and no punk player worth a rats left nad would tell you he isn't

>>> punk...

>>>

>>>

>>> anyone offering an opinion about punk whether - who, what, where,

>>> when, how so - and hasn't ever picked up an instrument, jumped on

>>> stage, taken a steamy gob or two hocked at 'em from the mindless

>>> masses, and proceeded to win'em over - has no value to their  

>>> opinion.

>>>

>>> they have a right to their opinion ( to flush it that is ) but no

>>> value

>>>

>>> that said:

>>> in general

>>> the best 70's punk came from the UK

>>> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

>>> the best post punk from the UK

>>>

>>> tw

>>>

>>> bongo wrote:

>>> did he have a big red mohawk and a studded leather jacket, and  

>>> patches

>>> all over his trousers??

>>>

>>> =)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Jan 25, 2008 8:28 AM, fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>> punk started with link wray in 1958 with the tune rumble

>>>>

>>>> usa

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Mik wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Guess it all depends on your own personal definition of punk and

>>>> how far

>>>> back you want to go to try to prove a point.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> ________________________________

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>> ] On

>>>> Behalf Of melinda grant

>>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 12:27

>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> talking of which,saw a great prog on bbc4 last night all about

>>>> the"new york

>>>> punk scene"  feated new york dolls--who have been going since the

>>>> early

>>>> 70s-1972 they started up along with lou reed,iggy,mc5,alice

>>>> cooper...these

>>>> people are responsable for really starting the roots of punk----it

>>>> was

>>>> malcolm mcclaren,who after having seen the--new york dolls perform

>>>> at cbgbc

>>>> in 74--took the concept back to u.k and got the sex pistols

>>>> together in 75

>>>> ;0

>>>>

>>>> /1974/5..debby harry,patti smith,televiosion

>>>> talking heads,deadboys,were also considered early punk scene as

>>>> well in new

>>>> york,they also hungout and performed regularly at cbgbs....

>>>>

>>>> so who started punk? sorry mick it was  the newyork scene

>>>>

>>>> who put a very rough and almost dangerious edge to punk---u.k sex

>>>> pistols

>>>> plus a small handfull of other bands at the time, some of which

>>>> sprung out

>>>> from a group of punks known as"the bromly contingent" the rest hung

>>>> out with

>>>> them and the pistols--they generally performed(when they could) at

>>>> 100

>>>> club/marquee/screen on the green/dingwalls/the nastvill--all hung  

>>>> out

>>>> at"sex"(later known as--saditionarys!) mcmlarens/viv westwood

>>>> alternative

>>>> clothes shop,along worldend part of the kings road--london!!

>>>>

>>>> milinda ps lesson over;D))),now hand in your papers for me to  

>>>> mark ;P

>>>> ________________________________

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk

>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:18:59 +0000

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Come on Alex, after all the arguments we have had over the years?  

>>>> Lol

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Mik

>>>> ________________________________

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>> ] On

>>>> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

>>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 01:01

>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Alex in NYC's Favorite Vibrators songs in no particular order:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> 1) "Dragnet" (off the PUNK & DISORDERLY compilation)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> 2) "Into the Future" (first track off PURE MANIA)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> 3) "Troops of Tomorrow" -- for birthing his second-fave track by  

>>>> the

>>>> Exploited (the first being "Daily News").

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:32 PM, folk devil wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Troops of tomorrow ;)

>>>> ________________________________

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:47 +0000

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>>

>>>> thought that would get yours attention ;D))))

>>>>

>>>> the vibrators were an ok band,i exspecially like the track"the

>>>> youth of

>>>> tomorrow" it had the most amaizing build up--starting very quietly

>>>> then

>>>> building into a crescendo of throbbing bass/drums and drony

>>>> voices-7um,really like it--dont have it any longer,perhaps some

>>>> kind folk

>>>> can upload it to the list,so everyone can hear this semi-marval of

>>>> pinks

>>>> bygone days ;D!!!

>>>>

>>>> milinda

>>>> ________________________________

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0800

>>>> From: joker at Z6.com

>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> The very same!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear

>>>>

>>>> --- folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com wrote:

>>>>

>>>> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:04:16 -0800

>>>>

>>>> Is that the same Ellis that was in the vibrators?

>>>> ________________________________

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:05:10 -0800

>>>> From: joker at Z6.com

>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> That article was spot on Greg!

>>>>

>>>> Summed it up completely, though I must admit to you that I really

>>>> liked 10!

>>>>

>>>> The thing with Stanglers post Cornwell was that John Ellis just did

>>>> not work

>>>> as a guitarist and it was rather evident that JJ was going with the

>>>> flow for

>>>> a lot of it. Ellis' guitar was very bluse based and rather staid.

>>>>

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