[kj] OT: Pat Condell

[The Exorcist]

Well no worries, the only time you need to worry is if you go after 
the Islamists.
Might get yer head cut off or something.

At 08:58 PM 7/22/2008, ade wrote:

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>Essentially, if someone is racist, a government policy won't change 

>a thing, certainly not that person's

>mind, it will just create even more resentment. Why does it matter 

>what a racist thinks? Because we've

>ignored that they have a right to a say in society & are now 

>ending-up in a situation where those people

>are getting power back in their hands. Certainly, making it a crime 

>to be racist hasn't made it go away,

>lol!

>

>If a society is supposed to give a voice to all its' members, that 

>must include the voces we don't really

>want to hear, because if you supress shit, it comes back twice as 

>bad, like a fucking weed. Which seems

>to be happening across the world... moderates are side-lined.

>

>It's a fine-line trying to balance the happiness of the majority & 

>minorities, innit. Oh & let's not forget that

>racism is one of the only natural equal opportunities employers, 

>which really does cause big trouble when

>the host nation is told to be good, whilst the minorities carry on 

>being as racist/prejudiced as they like &

>no fucker can say a word without being branded something nasty. This 

>is all about double-standards &

>how that affects society. How the fuck black guys can go on about 

>batty boys on the telly & no fucker

>questions it - astounding (I'm referring to a programme I saw on 

>channel4 - can't remember the title).

>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil

>Sent: 23 July 2008 01:41

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Pat Condell

>

>I remember the UK being set up differently, on the premise that 

>plans such as affirmative action can cause inverse discrimination, 

>to which I agree. All I see it do is perpetuate marginalization, 

>making some people be perceived as inferior to others. To me it's 

>message can still say whites are in charge, but we will allow you 

>this within our hierarchy. If everyone is equal, and are citizens of 

>a nation, there should not be a need for 'special treatment'. It 

>pussyfoots around the issues, never really having to deal with them.

>

>

>

>

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>Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:02:21 +0100

>From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Pat Condell

>

>Oh of course we have that bullshit over here - we've had it for 

>years folky !!!!!!!!!  Surely you remember?

>It has had its' uses, but is causing more resentment now. Instead of 

>rolling-off & having less of a say

>over how things are done over the years (after a fair amount of 

>normalisation has been reached), the

>whole racial equalities lot continue to grab as much power as 

>possible. Trevor fucking Phillips, head

>of this quango now wants to take on inequality of all kinds. Both 

>vertical, as well as horizontal, he said,

>lol!

>

>What a lovely thought, but is it in any way workable? Is it fuck. 

>Sounds more like a quango that

>continues to grow.

>

>Back to 'affirmative action', it's great for building self-respect 

>in token non-white people. Token, as in

>"the govt is forcing us to take on a certain percentage of each race 

>other than whitey, so let's just

>employ people simply because of the environmental/geographical 

>differences that make someones'

>skin a different colour.."

>

>"before I couldn't get a job, now I have a job, but I think it's 

>only because I'm black."

>

>There are very few people in the media who would even talk about 

>playing the race card, let alone

>anything be done about it. I watched Nirpal Dhaliwal front a 

>channel4 programme called, oddly enough,

>'Playing the race card', at the end of which, he was astounded at 

>just how much of it goes on. Funny,

>I never saw that programme get repeated ;)  Still, there's some 

>stuff about it here:

>

><http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/R/racedebate/talkingpoint/programmes/racecard1.html>http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/R/racedebate/talkingpoint/programmes/racecard1.html

>

>...down on the right-hand side.

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil

>Sent: 22 July 2008 23:26

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Pat Condell

>

>from wiki:

>

>The term affirmative action describes policies aimed at a 

>historically socio-politically non-dominant group (typically, 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority>minority men or 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women>women of all racial groups) 

>intended to promote its access to 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education>education or 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment>employment. Motivation for 

>affirmative action is a desire to redress effects of actual or 

>perceived, past or current 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination>discrimination that is 

>regarded as 

>unfair.[<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words>who?] 

>It also serves to encourage public institutions such as 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universities>universities, 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospitals>hospitals and 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police>police forces to be more 

>representative of the 

>population<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action#cite_note-0>[1].

>

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

>

>

>I don't believe you can 'enforce' equality.

>And after living in the States for a decade, I have seen that 'race 

>card' played too much..

>

>

>

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