From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Jun  1 10:08:12 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:08:12 +0100
Subject: [kj] KJ in my videogame/LCHC
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD6A@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

Are you imagining the contributors are just a bunch of sell-out maggots who 'meant it back then', but now need to pay the bills?

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Sent: 01 June 2008 01:09
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame/LCHC



In a message dated 5/30/2008 12:00:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk writes:

Ooh, I can imagine it now - 'Killing Joke sponsor violent computer games'. LOL!!!

Im gonna talk to John Joseph/Cro Mags and i'll try to find out how the compensation is working for the bands with this- Im curious...
 
A
 
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From lonestyle at aol.com  Sun Jun  1 13:54:18 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Sun,  1 Jun 2008 10:54:18 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
In-Reply-To: <d11529220805311400x7a2e1065kdcace3602010b280@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD56@mr-pants.the-lab.local>,
	<d11529220805311400x7a2e1065kdcace3602010b280@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <be4f7530.60d6.4f61.ba86.0e872d43e805@aol.com>


So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great! The only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith , Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind them had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted Discharge more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw about 5 new songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new before the 4 encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something off of KJ's "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best new song yet! Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people there it seemed then Goths & Punks.  I did not see so many. Here is the setlist if you Cure fans want to check out....


http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html

~ LB


In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:
but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...
;)


On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of n0153 jr
Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) and I still don't have a mobile...
Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past (typed while glancing at the sky)...

jr




On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> wrote:

30th B-day, if ever ;)




Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700 

From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net

Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday? 


http://www.nightruiner.com
http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale 



----- Original Message ----
From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. Mental.
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of iPat
Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.


On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:

yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...

I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...

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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun  1 18:22:31 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:22:31 -0500
Subject: [kj] Recent eBay purchase
Message-ID: <48432127.4050304@sbcglobal.net>

I just know Jaz would love this. Used to be a "bible" of sorts on the 
subject, written by a scientist at the US Air Force's RAND think tank:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150251547945&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005#ebayphotohosting


$5 USD is an incredibly good "Buy It Now" price for the original edition 
of the book.

-Oliver

From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Mon Jun  2 04:17:52 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:17:52 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ
 news	to	talk	about:	Great	names
In-Reply-To: <BLU138-W14675252258D1961EC2A42BBB90@phx.gbl>
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD4C@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
	<BAY125-W500DA3994A48D1144B54C0A9BE0@phx.gbl> 
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I work with an indian girl called Priya. And I dated an indian girl last
year, one of the hottet girls I've ever dated.

Funniest name I ever saw was an indian girl called Manmeet (talking about
great names). I was working on a PC at the bank, got the user to log in to
another PC to see if the problem followed him...noticed the namebadge on
the screen, and I had the mightiest effort of my entire life to not crack
up. Took about 30-40 seconds to regain my composure. Sigh.

Best name EVER.


>
> I love Indian food, and one of the best independent chains in the Midwest
> is Priya.  For future reference :)
> And NEVER say "chi-chi" in an Indian restaurant......a friend, who is an
> immigrant from India, was horrified to see that there was a food chain
> called "Chi-Chi's".......the look on her face was so exaggerated I didn't
> think she was upset about slang for breasts (my assumption).  She
> wasn't....."chi-chi" means "shit" in Hindi.  By the look on her face, I
> believed her.  I guess I would never use the word around Jaz
> either.....oh, the possibilities.
> -Bette
>
>
> From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
> 2008 18:03:51 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
> to talk about: Great names
>
>
> That's a bit of a way for a curry ;)I guess the locals know :) Wish you
> could have pointed me in the right direction, when I was in Chicago last
> ;)
>
>
> From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
> 2008 20:13:35 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
> to talk about: Great names
>
> ????????  The country I live in, the Midwest of America, has alot of
> Indian restaurants.  They are all run by Indian families, and the food is
> reasonable and fantastic.  In fact, we can choose between South and North
> Indian.  Strange to hear that.....-Bette
>
>
> From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
> 2008 14:01:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
> to talk about: Great names
>
> to be an utter food snob, I have only found one decent Indian restaurant
> in the states :(and why do they cost so much here?
>
>
> From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May 2008
> 16:25:36 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to
> talk about: Great names
>
> That's so funny that they're called Curry Hoses in the UK--in the US you
> can ONLY get Indian food if you're within a few miles of a major city.
> People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat
> anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot
> American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography, he writes
> about visiting some remote place in the US several years ago, and seeing
> "dego salad" on a menu (for salad w/Italian dressing)...
>
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Mon Jun  2 04:27:33 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:27:33 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Recent eBay purchase
In-Reply-To: <48432127.4050304@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48432127.4050304@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1377.60.234.228.138.1212395253.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Olly did you ever watch The Smurfs, read comics, have a bike, that kinda
thing? Or were you more into collecting vials of your own blood and trying
to make hybrid insects, that kinda thing?

;)

> I just know Jaz would love this. Used to be a "bible" of sorts on the
> subject, written by a scientist at the US Air Force's RAND think tank:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150251547945&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005#ebayphotohosting
>
>
> $5 USD is an incredibly good "Buy It Now" price for the original edition
> of the book.
>
> -Oliver
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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Mon Jun  2 05:05:19 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:05:19 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232CF78@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

Cool!  They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March and these
newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened the show
with one.  (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong -
surely nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)
 
Really looking forward to the new album.  Hope it's better than the last
one.  Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by that awful
first track.
 
Cheers for posting,
Janean

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght


 
So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great!
The only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith ,
Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind
them had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted
Discharge more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw
about 5 new songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new
before the 4 encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like
something off of KJ's "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on
that. The best new song yet! Anyway it had to be sold out and there were
more normal people there it seemed then Goths & Punks.  I did not see so
many. Here is the setlist if you Cure fans want to check out....
 
 
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html
 
~ LB
 
 
In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time,
nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:

	but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...
	;)
	
	
	On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
wrote:
	

		iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own
penis ;)

			-----Original Message-----
			From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of n0153 jr
			Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04
			To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the
band!)
			Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
			
			
			I owned and own every videogame imaginable
(except for the microsoft ones) and I still don't have a mobile...
			Might get an iPhone next year or so... but
fuck.... wanna talk to me? call me at home or send an email for Christ's
sake, phone is a thing of the past (typed while glancing at the sky)...
			
			jr
			
			
			
			
			On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger
<bettedillinger at live.com> wrote:
			

				30th B-day, if ever ;)
				
				

________________________________

				Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700 

				From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
				To: gathering at misera.net
				
				Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
				
				
				I never had that stuff in my room but it
was a different world then. Multi-media is so much more a part of
everyday life now and you can't or shouldn't hide from it. By the same
token, you shouldn't go completely overboard with it. We've got a TV in
my 2-year old daughter's room. It really only gets used in the morning.
She can watch Dora the Explorer while she drinks her milk or juice. The
real issue i'm worried about is a cell phone. When does she get one? 12?
6? Her 3rd birthday? 
				
				 
				http://www.nightruiner.com
	
http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
				http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale 


				----- Original Message ----
				From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
				To: A list about all things Killing Joke
(the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
				
				Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM
				Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
				
				
				Why do parents put that shit in kids
rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. Mental.

				-----Original Message-----
				From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of iPat
				Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36
				To: A list about all things Killing Joke
(the band!)
				Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
				
				
				ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet
unassuming guy training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed
when i told him i noticed a great improvement in my sons behaviour when
i stopped him playing the game after removing his console from the room
after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.
				
				
				On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153
jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:
				

				yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still
play them... having said that...
				
				I was playing tonight the latest GTA4
(Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 and as soon as I headed into one
of the game's strip joints this song struck me with familiarity... due
to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a while to recognize
it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even more was the
fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to Red... gotta
say, fitted the mood perfectly...
				
				a



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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 06:25:28 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:25:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great
	names
In-Reply-To: <1346.60.234.228.138.1212394672.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <788505.90667.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&nbsp;&nbsp; I live in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles and more than once i've seen 
the name Young Ho, along with several others riffing off the name "Ho".&nbsp;&nbsp; Also a billboard
nearby once read "Kim Bang Ah" which i always read as Kim bang; aah."
&nbsp;

&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Mon, 6/2/08, Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt; wrote:

From: Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 1:17 AM

I work with an indian girl called Priya. And I dated an indian girl last
year, one of the hottet girls I've ever dated.

Funniest name I ever saw was an indian girl called Manmeet (talking about
great names). I was working on a PC at the bank, got the user to log in to
another PC to see if the problem followed him...noticed the namebadge on
the screen, and I had the mightiest effort of my entire life to not crack
up. Took about 30-40 seconds to regain my composure. Sigh.

Best name EVER.


&gt;
&gt; I love Indian food, and one of the best independent chains in the Midwest
&gt; is Priya.  For future reference :)
&gt; And NEVER say "chi-chi" in an Indian restaurant......a friend,
who is an
&gt; immigrant from India, was horrified to see that there was a food chain
&gt; called "Chi-Chi's".......the look on her face was so
exaggerated I didn't
&gt; think she was upset about slang for breasts (my assumption).  She
&gt; wasn't....."chi-chi" means "shit" in Hindi.  By
the look on her face, I
&gt; believed her.  I guess I would never use the word around Jaz
&gt; either.....oh, the possibilities.
&gt; -Bette
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
&gt; 2008 18:03:51 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ
news
&gt; to talk about: Great names


      
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From gregslawson at msn.com  Mon Jun  2 08:10:20 2008
From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:10:20 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ
	news	to	talk	about:	Great	names
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I remember a long time ago my dad telling me there was a Gernam last name, "Shitter". BTW many Indian 1st names end in 'deep' or 'jeep'.> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:17:52 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names> > I work with an indian girl called Priya. And I dated an indian girl last> year, one of the hottet girls I've ever dated.> > Funniest name I ever saw was an indian girl called Manmeet (talking about> great names). I was working on a PC at the bank, got the user to log in to> another PC to see if the problem followed him...noticed the namebadge on> the screen, and I had the mightiest effort of my entire life to not crack> up. Took about 30-40 seconds to regain my composure. Sigh.> > Best name EVER.> > > >> > I love Indian food, and one of the best independent chains in the Midwest> > is Priya. For future reference :)> > And NEVER say "chi-chi" in an Indian restaurant......a friend, who is an> > immigrant from India, was horrified to see that there was a food chain> > called "Chi-Chi's".......the look on her face was so exaggerated I didn't> > think she was upset about slang for breasts (my assumption). She> > wasn't....."chi-chi" means "shit" in Hindi. By the look on her face, I> > believed her. I guess I would never use the word around Jaz> > either.....oh, the possibilities.> > -Bette> >> >> > From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May> > 2008 18:03:51 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news> > to talk about: Great names> >> >> > That's a bit of a way for a curry ;)I guess the locals know :) Wish you> > could have pointed me in the right direction, when I was in Chicago last> > ;)> >> >> > From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May> > 2008 20:13:35 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news> > to talk about: Great names> >> > ???????? The country I live in, the Midwest of America, has alot of> > Indian restaurants. They are all run by Indian families, and the food is> > reasonable and fantastic. In fact, we can choose between South and North> > Indian. Strange to hear that.....-Bette> >> >> > From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May> > 2008 14:01:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news> > to talk about: Great names> >> > to be an utter food snob, I have only found one decent Indian restaurant> > in the states :(and why do they cost so much here?> >> >> > From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May 2008> > 16:25:36 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to> > talk about: Great names> >> > That's so funny that they're called Curry Hoses in the UK--in the US you> > can ONLY get Indian food if you're within a few miles of a major city.> > People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat> > anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot> > American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography, he writes> > about visiting some remote place in the US several years ago, and seeing> > "dego salad" on a menu (for salad w/Italian dressing)...> >> > E-mail for the greater good. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft.> >> > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft.> >> > E-mail for the greater good. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft.> > _________________________________________________________________> > Change the world with e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft.> > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld_______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  2 11:40:28 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:40:28 -0500
Subject: [kj] Recent eBay purchase
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Hmm, well, Wargames was one of my fave movies as a kid (Matthew 
Broderick) and I liked to play army a lot. I was alwas fascinated with 
the idea of World War III for as long as I can remember. In the 80s as a 
kid you had shows like Day After, Threads, Amerika (a mini series on TV 
about Soviet-occupied America) that were on all the time. I thought I 
was going to grow up and go into the Army.

I did have a bike, though! But Smurfs? Blech! Did YOU play with those 
sissy little things??? :)

-Brian


Brendan wrote:
> Olly did you ever watch The Smurfs, read comics, have a bike, that kinda
> thing? Or were you more into collecting vials of your own blood and trying
> to make hybrid insects, that kinda thing?
>
> ;)
>
>   
>> I just know Jaz would love this. Used to be a "bible" of sorts on the
>> subject, written by a scientist at the US Air Force's RAND think tank:
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150251547945&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005#ebayphotohosting
>>
>>
>> $5 USD is an incredibly good "Buy It Now" price for the original edition
>> of the book.
>>
>> -Oliver
>>
>>     
>
>   


From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  2 11:46:05 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:46:05 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ	news	to	talk	about:	Great
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 From what I understand, the last name "Hitler" in Germany is still not 
uncommon, no?

And did you know Hitler had a little BRITISH nephew named Willie Hitler? 
I couldn't believe it, thought it was a joke, but 'tis true: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hitler

-Oliver



GREG SLAWSON wrote:
>
> I remember a long time ago my dad telling me there was a Gernam last 
> name, "Shitter". BTW many Indian 1st names end in 'deep' or 'jeep'.


From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 12:43:26 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:43:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great
	names
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There is also the last name "Lippschitz."


&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Mon, 6/2/08, GREG SLAWSON &lt;gregslawson at msn.com&gt; wrote:

From: GREG SLAWSON &lt;gregslawson at msn.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 5:10 AM



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I remember a long time ago my dad telling me there was a Gernam last name, "Shitter". BTW many Indian 1st names end in 'deep' or 'jeep'.
&gt; Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:17:52 +1200
&gt; From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
&gt; To: gathering at misera.net
&gt; Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names
&gt; 
&gt; I work with an indian girl called Priya. And I dated an indian girl last
&gt; year, one of the hottet girls I've ever dated.
&gt; 
&gt; Funniest name I ever saw was an indian girl called Manmeet (talking about
&gt; great names). I was working on a PC at the bank, got the user to log in to
&gt; another PC to see if the problem followed him...noticed the namebadge on
&gt; the screen, and I had the mightiest effort of my entire life to not crack
&gt; up. Took about 30-40 seconds to regain my composure. Sigh.
&gt; 
&gt; Best name EVER.
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I love Indian food, and one of the best independent chains in the Midwest
&gt; &gt; is Priya. For future reference :)
&gt; &gt; And NEVER say "chi-chi" in an Indian restaurant......a friend, who is an
&gt; &gt; immigrant from India, was horrified to see that there was a food chain
&gt; &gt; called "Chi-Chi's".......the look on her face was so exaggerated I didn't
&gt; &gt; think she was upset about slang for breasts (my assumption). She
&gt; &gt; wasn't....."chi-chi" means "shit" in Hindi. By the look on her face, I
&gt; &gt; believed her. I guess I would never use the word around Jaz
&gt; &gt; either.....oh, the possibilities.
&gt; &gt; -Bette
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
&gt; &gt; 2008 18:03:51 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
&gt; &gt; to talk about: Great names
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; That's a bit of a way for a curry ;)I guess the locals know :) Wish you
&gt; &gt; could have pointed me in the right direction, when I was in Chicago last
&gt; &gt; ;)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
&gt; &gt; 2008 20:13:35 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
&gt; &gt; to talk about: Great names
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ???????? The country I live in, the Midwest of America, has alot of
&gt; &gt; Indian restaurants. They are all run by Indian families, and the food is
&gt; &gt; reasonable and fantastic. In fact, we can choose between South and North
&gt; &gt; Indian. Strange to hear that.....-Bette
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
&gt; &gt; 2008 14:01:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
&gt; &gt; to talk about: Great names
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; to be an utter food snob, I have only found one decent Indian restaurant
&gt; &gt; in the states :(and why do they cost so much here?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May 2008
&gt; &gt; 16:25:36 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to
&gt; &gt; talk about: Great names
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; That's so funny that they're called Curry Hoses in the UK--in the US you
&gt; &gt; can ONLY get Indian food if you're within a few miles of a major city.
&gt; &gt; People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat
&gt; &gt; anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot
&gt; &gt; American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography, he writes
&gt; &gt; about visiting some remote place in the US several years ago, and seeing
&gt; &gt; "dego salad" on a menu (for salad w/Italian dressing)...


      
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  2 12:57:15 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:57:15 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:
	Great	names
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and Kuntz
 


Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:43:26 -0700From: saulomar1 at yahoo.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names




There is also the last name "Lippschitz."
 
... ... ... ... ... ... (looking at the current state of things)
'Save me..                                                
 save me from Tomorrow..                           I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   --- On Mon, 6/2/08, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:
From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great namesTo: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 5:10 AM


I remember a long time ago my dad telling me there was a Gernam last name, "Shitter". BTW many Indian 1st names end in 'deep' or 'jeep'.> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:17:52 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names> > I work with an indian girl called Priya. And I dated an indian girl last> year, one of the hottet girls I've ever dated.> > Funniest name I ever saw was an indian girl called Manmeet (talking about> great names). I was working on a PC at the bank, got the user to log in to> another PC to see if the problem followed him...noticed the namebadge on> the screen, and I had the mightiest effort of my entire life to not crack> up. Took about 30-40 seconds to regain my composure. Sigh.> > Best name EVER.> > > >> > I love Indian food, and one of the best independent chains in the Midwest> > is Priya. For future reference :)> > And NEVER say "chi-chi" in an Indian restaurant......a friend, who is an> > immigrant from India, was horrified to see that there was a food chain> > called "Chi-Chi's".......the look on her face was so exaggerated I didn't> > think she was upset about slang for breasts (my assumption). She> > wasn't....."chi-chi" means "shit" in Hindi. By the look on her face, I> > believed her. I guess I would never use the word around Jaz> > either.....oh, the possibilities.> > -Bette> >> >> > From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May> > 2008 18:03:51 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news> > to talk about: Great names> >> >> > That's a bit of a way for a curry ;)I guess the locals know :) Wish you> > could have pointed me in the right direction, when I was in Chicago last> > ;)> >> >> > From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May> > 2008 20:13:35 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news> > to talk about: Great names> >> > ???????? The country I live in, the Midwest of America, has alot of> > Indian restaurants. They are all run by Indian families, and the food is> > reasonable and fantastic. In fact, we can choose between South and North> > Indian. Strange to hear that.....-Bette> >> >> > From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May> > 2008 14:01:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news> > to talk about: Great names> >> > to be an utter food snob, I have only found one decent Indian restaurant> > in the states :(and why do they cost so much here?> >> >> > From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May 2008> > 16:25:36 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to> > talk about: Great names> >> > That's so funny that they're called Curry Hoses in the UK--in the US you> > can ONLY get Indian food if you're within a few miles of a major city.> > People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat> > anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot> > American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography, he writes> > about visiting some remote place in the US several years ago, and seeing> > "dego salad" on a menu (for salad w/Italian dressing)...
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  2 13:35:59 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:35:59 -0700
Subject: [kj] KJ in my videogame - 'joy'stick
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or just our imagination....
 
but I'd rather not think of Ade in such a posture....


Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 23:24:21 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame

Time for an invention!

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of n0153 jrSent: 31 May 2008 22:01To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogamebut unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...;)
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)


-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of n0153 jrSent: 31 May 2008 03:04To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) and I still don't have a mobile...Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past (typed while glancing at the sky)...jr

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> wrote:


30th B-day, if ever ;)



Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700 
From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.comTo: gathering at misera.net

Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame

I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday? 
 http://www.nightruiner.comhttp://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescopehttp://www.myspace.com/lauderdale 


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Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. Mental.

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of iPatSent: 27 May 2008 12:36To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogameive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:
yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...a



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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Mon Jun  2 13:49:50 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:49:50 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all
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Hi, Bette:

Totally agree with you about Jay Leno. He's hella annoying .
Too bad about the food situation in your area. 

Ciao,

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Hey Greg!  
  I am glad you took it in the spirit it was meant in;  after I sent off the email I thought "Shit, this guy is gonna think I am out the gate" (interestingly, considering the similarity to a KJ album title, "out the gate" is a term for crazy we use in the Chicago/Detroit area.....I don't know if it is country wide).
   
  Anyhoo, food is in a sad state in the inner city too, no doubt.......I wonder how they can sell one hundred chicken wings for 7.00.  What is in that?  But again, that is to the poor.  Ya go by the chichi places by the waters of the Great Lakes and ya get your 11.00 mini Vegetarian Thai Salad.  A street over kids are being tested for lead poisoning.  Ugggh.
   
  I guess Jay Leno just has always bugged me.  He reminds me of a living Krusty the Clown.  He just needs a flapping dicky.
   
  Glad ya like Mista Hicks......."Rant in E Minor" I think is genius.  And the dude did it while going through chemo.....Jaysus.  A dying man telling the truth laughing.  Nothing more dangerous, nothing more true.
   
  -Bette
   
      
   


   


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    From: gregslawson at msn.com
    To: gathering at misera.net
    Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 00:30:17 -0400
    Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names

    Good post Bette (you set me straight), I shouldn't blame people for only being able to get crappy food (ever try to buy fresh food in an inner city? it's impossible)...the only disagreement is that Jay Leno was making fun of that racist restaurant--actually he sounded more in a state of disbelief...I have heard Bill Hicks--good stuff, I've got to pull out those albums and listen to him again!



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      From: bettedillinger at live.com
      To: gathering at misera.net
      Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:42:17 -0400
      Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names

      "People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography....."
       
       
       
       
      -Well....when people gain access to unique food you might be surprised.  Yup, even in America......do rural people have alot of food options and money I wasn't apprised of?  I don't like to blame the victim.  When people in rural areas have access to different food, they just might try it.  That was my experience growing up, and that area is the same today.  
       
      Chinese food is not actually Chinese, and neither is Italian, so also that shows that the "Agenda" comes from the top levels.  Distort the original into a mediocre parody.  
      "AND WE SAY..........YOU DO IT THIS WAY!!!!"  
       
      Absence of choice is intentional.  "American Idiot" soothed the panic of the Starbucks crowd, of which the band Green Day are a part.  
       
      Also, quoting Jay Leno as any authority besides how to be a sad little comedian falls right into the "agenda", I would think...  Ever hear the Bill Hicks routine?  

      -With tears and laughter,
      Bette


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        Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:34:46 +0100
        From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
        To: gathering at misera.net
        Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names


        One could almost imagine we're 'sophisticated' over here! ^^
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          From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
          Sent: 30 May 2008 21:26
          To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
          Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names


          That's so funny that they're called Curry Hoses in the UK--in the US you can ONLY get Indian food if you're within a few miles of a major city. People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography, he writes about visiting some remote place in the US several years ago, and seeing "dego salad" on a menu (for salad w/Italian dressing)...

          > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:20:43 +0100
          > From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
          > To: gathering at misera.net
          > Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names
          > 
          > I think one should only push restaurant staff *so* far ! We have a thing
          > about that in Curry houses in the UK - the moronic section of the public,
          > ie the majority, tend to abuse the staff. Too thick to realise they're
          > asking for trouble!
          > 
          > "Would you like cream on that, Sir?"
          > 
          > 
          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
          > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
          > Sent: 30 May 2008 20:16
          > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
          > Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:
          > Great names
          > 
          > 
          > Yeah, I remember that part of the book probably more than anything. John 
          > Lydon fried up a literal shit sandwich for a guy that was cuckolding him.
          > 
          > That is, Lydon's wife had invited over a fellow she was fucking. IIRC, 
          > the wife didn't think Lydon knew about it, but he did. Playing the 
          > polite host, Lydon offered the man a sandwich at his place. Lydon 
          > proceeded to the kitchen, actually took a crap in a bucket or something, 
          > and fried it into the sandwich he made for the guy.
          > 
          > I worry about stuff like that when I eat at restaurants, though not to 
          > that degree.
          > 
          > -Oliver
          > 
          > 
          > 
          > ade wrote:
          > > I loved that bit in 'Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs' where they 
          > > fry-up some turds for annoying
          > > visitors. Genius!
          > >
          > 
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Mon Jun  2 13:09:53 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:09:53 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk
	about:Great	names
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD78@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

Fokker.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: 02 June 2008 17:57
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names


and Kuntz


 


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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:43:26 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names


There is also the last name "Lippschitz."


 


... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current state of things)

'Save me..                                                
 save me from Tomorrow..                          
 I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   


--- On Mon, 6/2/08, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:


From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 5:10 AM



I remember a long time ago my dad telling me there was a Gernam last name, "Shitter". BTW many Indian 1st names end in 'deep' or 'jeep'.
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:17:52 +1200
> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about: Great names
> 
> I work with an indian girl called Priya. And I dated an indian girl last
> year, one of the hottet girls I've ever dated.
> 
> Funniest name I ever saw was an indian girl called Manmeet (talking about
> great names). I was working on a PC at the bank, got the user to log in to
> another PC to see if the problem followed him...noticed the namebadge on
> the screen, and I had the mightiest effort of my entire life to not crack
> up. Took about 30-40 seconds to regain my composure. Sigh.
> 
> Best name EVER.
> 
> 
> >
> > I love Indian food, and one of the best independent chains in the Midwest
> > is Priya. For future reference :)
> > And NEVER say "chi-chi" in an Indian restaurant......a friend, who is an
> > immigrant from India, was horrified to see that there was a food chain
> > called "Chi-Chi's".......the look on her face was so exaggerated I didn't
> > think she was upset about slang for breasts (my assumption). She
> > wasn't....."chi-chi" means "shit" in Hindi. By the look on her face, I
> > believed her. I guess I would never use the word around Jaz
> > either.....oh, the possibilities.
> > -Bette
> >
> >
> > From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
> > 2008 18:03:51 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
> > to talk about: Great names
> >
> >
> > That's a bit of a way for a curry ;)I guess the locals know :) Wish you
> > could have pointed me in the right direction, when I was in Chicago last
> > ;)
> >
> >
> > From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
> > 2008 20:13:35 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
> > to talk about: Great names
> >
> > ???????? The country I live in, the Midwest of America, has alot of
> > Indian restaurants. They are all run by Indian families, and the food is
> > reasonable and fantastic. In fact, we can choose between South and North
> > Indian. Strange to hear that.....-Bette
> >
> >
> > From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
> > 2008 14:01:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
> > to talk about: Great names
> >
> > to be an utter food snob, I have only found one decent Indian restaurant
> > in the states :(and why do they cost so much here?
> >
> >
> > From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May 2008
> > 16:25:36 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to
> > talk about: Great names
> >
> > That's so funny that they're called Curry Hoses in the UK--in the US you
> > can ONLY get Indian food if you're within a few miles of a major city.
> > People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat
> > anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot
> > American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography, he writes
> > about visiting some remote place in the US several years ago, and seeing
> > "dego salad" on a menu (for salad w/Italian dressing)...



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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Mon Jun  2 12:26:27 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:26:27 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ	news	to	talk	about:	Great
	names
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There's a fair amount of cross-over with the Nazi's & Britain. They
admired our toff establishment, etc. Oh & of course, the Queen is an
ex-Kraut rocker.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
Sent: 02 June 2008 16:46
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:
Great names


 From what I understand, the last name "Hitler" in Germany is still not 
uncommon, no?

And did you know Hitler had a little BRITISH nephew named Willie Hitler? 
I couldn't believe it, thought it was a joke, but 'tis true: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hitler

-Oliver



GREG SLAWSON wrote:
>
> I remember a long time ago my dad telling me there was a Gernam last 
> name, "Shitter". BTW many Indian 1st names end in 'deep' or 'jeep'.

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From lonestyle at aol.com  Mon Jun  2 14:16:50 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Mon,  2 Jun 2008 11:16:50 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
In-Reply-To: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232CF78@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232CF78@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
Message-ID: <379f8ac4.0e64.410f.a69b.3566fe911b33@aol.com>

We were walking up when they were doing the new song and opener "Underneath the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for "Palinsong" as a opener too and they have been doing it on some of the stops but not this time which was fine. The sound was great and I never go to outdoor shows due to the crowds and shitty bands that open at times. 

Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound  a bit like "Wish" like Porl never left. 

You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!

Glad to post it. :)

~ LB

In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time, Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:
Cool!  They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March and these newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened the show with one.  (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong - surely nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)

Really looking forward to the new album.  Hope it's better than the last one.  Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by that awful first track.

Cheers for posting,
Janean




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght



So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great! The only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith , Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind them had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted Discharge more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw about 5 new songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new before the 4 encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something off of KJ's "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best new song yet! Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people there it seemed then Goths & Punks.  I did not see so many. Here is the setlist if you Cure fans want to check out....


http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html

~ LB


In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:
but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...
;)


On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of n0153 jr
Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) and I still don't have a mobile...
Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past (typed while glancing at the sky)...

jr




On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> wrote:

30th B-day, if ever ;)




Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700 

From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net

Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday? 


http://www.nightruiner.com
http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale 



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From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. Mental.
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of iPat
Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.


On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:

yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...

I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...

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From mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk  Mon Jun  2 15:14:19 2008
From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk (Mik Raven)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:14:19 +0100
Subject: [kj] Very OT - A couple Of Reviews for Comments
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From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:40:04 -0700
Subject: [kj] Very OT - A couple Of Reviews for Comments
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Too many quotes, not enough 'history'. Maybe try breaking the albums down a bit more?
My 2 cents, and as a former review writer, someone's always going to find something wrong ;)
 


From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:14:19 +0100Subject: [kj] Very OT - A couple Of Reviews for Comments
A certain someone has asked me to post the following reviews on here, for praise or constructive critisism. Feel free to leave a comment after the reviews.
http://www.music-nerds.com/music.php?id=31
http://www.music-nerds.com/music.php?id=33
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 16:58:08 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:58:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great
	names
In-Reply-To: <00a101c8c4d9$0e4e77f0$4601010a@edweil>
Message-ID: <518319.18524.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&nbsp;&nbsp; People have told me his live stand-up work (every sun. night) is lots better than 
his TV&nbsp;work (but i like the&nbsp;"Headlines", Beyond-O and "Iron Jay" spoofs), and that 
to not expect much from his tv work because it pales in comparison.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Mon, 6/2/08, Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt; wrote:

From: Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 10:49 AM



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Hi, Bette:
&nbsp;
Totally agree with you about Jay Leno. He's hella annoying .
Too bad about the food situation in your area. 
&nbsp;
Ciao,
&nbsp;
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bette Dillinger 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names

Hey Greg!&nbsp; 
I am glad you took it in the spirit it was meant in;&nbsp; after I sent off the email I thought "Shit, this guy is gonna think I am out the gate" (interestingly, considering the similarity to a KJ album title, "out the gate" is a term for crazy we use in the Chicago/Detroit area.....I don't know if it is country wide).
&nbsp;
Anyhoo, food is in a sad state in the inner city too, no doubt.......I wonder how they can sell one hundred chicken wings for 7.00.&nbsp; What is in that?&nbsp; But again, that is to the poor.&nbsp; Ya go by the chichi places&nbsp;by the waters of the Great Lakes and ya get your 11.00 mini Vegetarian Thai Salad.&nbsp; A street over kids are being tested for lead poisoning.&nbsp; Ugggh.
&nbsp;
I guess Jay Leno just has always bugged me.&nbsp; He reminds me of a living Krusty the Clown.&nbsp; He just needs a flapping dicky.
&nbsp;
Glad ya like Mista Hicks......."Rant in E Minor" I think is genius.&nbsp; And the dude did it while going through chemo.....Jaysus.&nbsp; A dying&nbsp;man telling the truth laughing.&nbsp; Nothing more dangerous, nothing more true.
&nbsp;
-Bette
&nbsp;

From: gregslawson at msn.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 00:30:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names



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Good post Bette (you set me straight), I shouldn't blame people for only being able to get crappy food (ever try to buy fresh food in an inner city? it's impossible)...the only disagreement is that Jay Leno was making fun of that racist restaurant--actually he sounded more in a state of disbelief...I have heard Bill Hicks--good stuff, I've got to pull out those albums and listen to him again!





From: bettedillinger at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:42:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names



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"People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography....."
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
-Well....when people gain access to unique food you might be surprised.&nbsp; Yup, even in&nbsp;America......do rural people have alot of food options and money I wasn't apprised of?&nbsp; I don't like to blame the victim.&nbsp;&nbsp;When people in rural areas have access to different food, they just might try it.&nbsp; That was my experience growing up, and that area is the same today.&nbsp; 
&nbsp;
Chinese food is not actually Chinese, and neither is Italian, so also that shows that the "Agenda" comes from the top levels.&nbsp; Distort the original into a mediocre parody.&nbsp; 
"AND WE SAY..........YOU DO IT THIS WAY!!!!"&nbsp; 
&nbsp;
Absence of choice is intentional.&nbsp; "American Idiot" soothed the panic of the Starbucks crowd, of which the band Green Day are a part.&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Also, quoting Jay Leno as any&nbsp;authority besides how to be a&nbsp;sad little comedian falls right into the "agenda", I would think... &nbsp;Ever hear the Bill Hicks routine?&nbsp; 

-With tears and laughter,
Bette



Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:34:46 +0100
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names



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One could almost imagine we're 'sophisticated' over here! ^^


      
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From unspeakable at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  2 17:13:57 2008
From: unspeakable at sbcglobal.net (Jiri)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:13:57 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:	Great
 names
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This byline made me smile:
http://www.hindu.com/2008/05/29/stories/2008052961561300.htm

(by Sandeep Dikshit)

folk devil wrote:
> and Kuntz
>
>
>  
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:43:26 -0700
>     From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
>     To: gathering at misera.net
>     Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk
>     about: Great names
>
>     There is also the last name "Lippschitz."
>
>
>      
>     ... ... ... ... ... ...
>     (looking at the current state of things)
>
>     'Save me..                                                
>      save me from Tomorrow..                          
>      I don't want to /sail //in this Ship Of Fools...!'   /
>
>
>     --- On *Mon, 6/2/08, GREG SLAWSON /<gregslawson at msn.com>/* wrote:
>
>         From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
>         Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk
>         about: Great names
>         To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>         <gathering at misera.net>
>         Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 5:10 AM
>
>
>         I remember a long time ago my dad telling me there was a
>         Gernam last name, "Shitter". BTW many Indian 1st names end in
>         'deep' or 'jeep'.
>         > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:17:52 +1200
>         > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
>         > To: gathering at misera.net
>         > Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to
>         talk about: Great names
>         >
>         > I work with an indian girl called Priya. And I dated an
>         indian girl last
>         > year, one of the hottet girls I've ever dated.
>         >
>         > Funniest name I ever saw was an indian girl called Manmeet
>         (talking about
>         > great names). I was working on a PC at the bank, got the
>         user to log in to
>         > another PC to see if the problem followed him...noticed the
>         namebadge on
>         > the screen, and I had the mightiest effort of my entire life
>         to not crack
>         > up. Took about 30-40 seconds to regain my composure. Sigh.
>         >
>         > Best name EVER.
>         >
>         >
>         > >
>         > > I love Indian food, and one of the best independent chains
>         in the Midwest
>         > > is Priya. For future reference :)
>         > > And NEVER say "chi-chi" in an Indian restaurant......a
>         friend, who is an
>         > > immigrant from India, was horrified to see that there was
>         a food chain
>         > > called "Chi-Chi's".......the look on her face was so
>         exaggerated I didn't
>         > > think she was upset about slang for breasts (my
>         assumption). She
>         > > wasn't....."chi-chi" means "shit" in Hindi. By the look on
>         her face, I
>         > > believed her. I guess I would never use the word around Jaz
>         > > either.....oh, the possibilities.
>         > > -Bette
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo:
>         gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
>         > > 2008 18:03:51 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's
>         fuck-all KJ news
>         > > to talk about: Great names
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > That's a bit of a way for a curry ;)I guess the locals
>         know :) Wish you
>         > > could have pointed me in the right direction, when I was
>         in Chicago last
>         > > ;)
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate:
>         Fri, 30 May
>         > > 2008 20:13:35 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's
>         fuck-all KJ news
>         > > to talk about: Great names
>         > >
>         > > ???????? The country I live in, the Midwest of America,
>         has alot of
>         > > Indian restaurants. They are all run by Indian families,
>         and the food is
>         > > reasonable and fantastic. In fact, we can choose between
>         South and North
>         > > Indian. Strange to hear that.....-Bette
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo:
>         gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
>         > > 2008 14:01:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's
>         fuck-all KJ news
>         > > to talk about: Great names
>         > >
>         > > to be an utter food snob, I have only found one decent
>         Indian restaurant
>         > > in the states :(and why do they cost so much here?
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate:
>         Fri, 30 May 2008
>         > > 16:25:36 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's
>         fuck-all KJ news to
>         > > talk about: Great names
>         > >
>         > > That's so funny that they're called Curry Hoses in the
>         UK--in the US you
>         > > can ONLY get Indian food if you're within a few miles of a
>         major city.
>         > > People in the suburbs and country would be too closed
>         minded to eat
>         > > anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck
>         agenda/idiot
>         > > American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's
>         autobiography, he writes
>         > > about visiting some remote place in the US several years
>         ago, and seeing
>         > > "dego salad" on a menu (for salad w/Italian dressing)...
>
>
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From gregslawson at msn.com  Mon Jun  2 20:05:50 2008
From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:05:50 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk
	about:Great	names
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Jay Leno was known as the hardest working comedian in the US for years before he did the show--I agree that his stuff is just so-so (I watch Letterman instead) but you should really read his autobiog--it's very interesting. He tells amusing stories about dive clubs he performed in, before he was know--he even had his suit lit on fire once by cigarettes that were thrown at him while performing! I did standup 10 years ago for about a year, and it really tells what it's like to get started as a stand-up. Even better is the Seinfeld (documentary) movie, "Comedian"--that really gives a feel for exactly what it's like to do it...


Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:58:08 -0700From: saulomar1 at yahoo.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names




   People have told me his live stand-up work (every sun. night) is lots better than 
his TV work (but i like the "Headlines", Beyond-O and "Iron Jay" spoofs), and that 
to not expect much from his tv work because it pales in comparison.
 
 
... ... ... ... ... ... (looking at the current state of things)
'Save me..                                                
 save me from Tomorrow..                           I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:
From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great namesTo: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 10:49 AM



Hi, Bette:
 
Totally agree with you about Jay Leno. He's hella annoying .
Too bad about the food situation in your area. 
 
Ciao,
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bette Dillinger 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names
Hey Greg!  I am glad you took it in the spirit it was meant in;  after I sent off the email I thought "Shit, this guy is gonna think I am out the gate" (interestingly, considering the similarity to a KJ album title, "out the gate" is a term for crazy we use in the Chicago/Detroit area.....I don't know if it is country wide). Anyhoo, food is in a sad state in the inner city too, no doubt.......I wonder how they can sell one hundred chicken wings for 7.00.  What is in that?  But again, that is to the poor.  Ya go by the chichi places by the waters of the Great Lakes and ya get your 11.00 mini Vegetarian Thai Salad.  A street over kids are being tested for lead poisoning.  Ugggh. I guess Jay Leno just has always bugged me.  He reminds me of a living Krusty the Clown.  He just needs a flapping dicky. Glad ya like Mista Hicks......."Rant in E Minor" I think is genius.  And the dude did it while going through chemo.....Jaysus.  A dying man telling the truth laughing.  Nothing more dangerous, nothing more true. -Bette  

From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Sat, 31 May 2008 00:30:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names

Good post Bette (you set me straight), I shouldn't blame people for only being able to get crappy food (ever try to buy fresh food in an inner city? it's impossible)...the only disagreement is that Jay Leno was making fun of that racist restaurant--actually he sounded more in a state of disbelief...I have heard Bill Hicks--good stuff, I've got to pull out those albums and listen to him again!



From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:42:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names

"People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography....."    -Well....when people gain access to unique food you might be surprised.  Yup, even in America......do rural people have alot of food options and money I wasn't apprised of?  I don't like to blame the victim.  When people in rural areas have access to different food, they just might try it.  That was my experience growing up, and that area is the same today.   Chinese food is not actually Chinese, and neither is Italian, so also that shows that the "Agenda" comes from the top levels.  Distort the original into a mediocre parody.  "AND WE SAY..........YOU DO IT THIS WAY!!!!"   Absence of choice is intentional.  "American Idiot" soothed the panic of the Starbucks crowd, of which the band Green Day are a part.   Also, quoting Jay Leno as any authority besides how to be a sad little comedian falls right into the "agenda", I would think...  Ever hear the Bill Hicks routine?  -With tears and laughter,Bette


Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:34:46 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names


One could almost imagine we're 'sophisticated' over here! ^^
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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Tue Jun  3 03:54:34 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:54:34 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232CF92@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

<<< second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites >>>
 
Mine too, I get goosebumps just thinking about when I saw/heard that one
live.
 
 <<< Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is
back in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound  a bit
like "Wish" like Porl never left. >>>
 
>From the two new songs I heard, I thought one of them sounded like
something off Bloodflowers.  Which is a compliment, I might add.  Much
underrated album.
 
<<< You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw
many people sit down in their sits during that one. HA! >>>
 
Yes, I was hoping we wouldn't get "treated" to that one too, seeing as
it was a Thursday...
 
Cheers,
Janean

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
Sent: 02 June 2008 19:17
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght


We were walking up when they were doing the new song and opener
"Underneath the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song
"Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for
"Palinsong" as a opener too and they have been doing it on some of the
stops but not this time which was fine. The sound was great and I never
go to outdoor shows due to the crowds and shitty bands that open at
times. 
 
Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back
in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound  a bit like
"Wish" like Porl never left. 
 
You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many
people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!
 
Glad to post it. :)
 
~ LB
 
In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:

	Cool!  They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March
and these newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened
the show with one.  (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing
Plainsong - surely nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)
	 
	Really looking forward to the new album.  Hope it's better than
the last one.  Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by
that awful first track.
	 
	Cheers for posting,
	Janean

________________________________

	From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
	Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54
	To: gathering at misera.net
	Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
	
	
	 
	So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they
were great! The only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17
secs. , Faith , Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the
screen behind them had all these old photos from World War 2 and I
thought it fitted Discharge more then them but it looked really cool
though! They threw about 5 new songs into their 35 song set and the last
song which is new before the 4 encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which
sounded like something off of KJ's "Night time"! kid you not, we were
tripping on that. The best new song yet! Anyway it had to be sold out
and there were more normal people there it seemed then Goths & Punks.  I
did not see so many. Here is the setlist if you Cure fans want to check
out....
	 
	 
	
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	~ LB
	 
	 
	In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time,
nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:

		but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my
mp3's...
		;)
		
		
		On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade
<ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
		

			iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your
own penis ;)

				-----Original Message-----
				From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of n0153 jr
				Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04
				To: A list about all things Killing Joke
(the band!)
				Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
				
				
				I owned and own every videogame
imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) and I still don't have a
mobile...
				Might get an iPhone next year or so...
but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call me at home or send an email for
Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past (typed while glancing at the
sky)...
				
				jr
				
				
				
				
				On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette
Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> wrote:
				

				30th B-day, if ever ;)
				
				

________________________________

				Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700 

				From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
				To: gathering at misera.net
				
				Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
				
				
				I never had that stuff in my room but it
was a different world then. Multi-media is so much more a part of
everyday life now and you can't or shouldn't hide from it. By the same
token, you shouldn't go completely overboard with it. We've got a TV in
my 2-year old daughter's room. It really only gets used in the morning.
She can watch Dora the Explorer while she drinks her milk or juice. The
real issue i'm worried about is a cell phone. When does she get one? 12?
6? Her 3rd birthday? 
				
				 
				http://www.nightruiner.com
	
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				To: A list about all things Killing Joke
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				Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM
				Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
				
				
				Why do parents put that shit in kids
rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. Mental.

				-----Original Message-----
				From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of iPat
				Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36
				To: A list about all things Killing Joke
(the band!)
				Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
				
				
				ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet
unassuming guy training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed
when i told him i noticed a great improvement in my sons behaviour when
i stopped him playing the game after removing his console from the room
after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.
				
				
				On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153
jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:
				

				yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still
play them... having said that...
				
				I was playing tonight the latest GTA4
(Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 and as soon as I headed into one
of the game's strip joints this song struck me with familiarity... due
to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a while to recognize
it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even more was the
fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to Red... gotta
say, fitted the mood perfectly...
				
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From fatpotanga at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 05:22:54 2008
From: fatpotanga at gmail.com (fatpotanga)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:22:54 +0100
Subject: [kj]  OT: foos
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I. Saw. The. Foos. Last. Night. With. Support. By. The. Manics.
It. Was. Very. Nice. Then. We. Came. Home.

From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk  Tue Jun  3 05:37:08 2008
From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:37:08 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: foos
Message-ID: <BD60B2A89D16094897629D4CCC50B1CB3A455D@ED01VN01.NCL-HIS.NHS.UK>

Was Grohl the happiest man ever?

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Subject: [kj] OT: foos


I. Saw. The. Foos. Last. Night. With. Support. By. The. Manics.
It. Was. Very. Nice. Then. We. Came. Home.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:45:04 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: foos
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He seemed to be... I certainly had a good bounce around. I don't generally like stadium gigs, but that was fun.

Jane

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Was Grohl the happiest man ever?

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From gregslawson at msn.com  Tue Jun  3 08:02:23 2008
From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:02:23 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT: foos
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I saw the Waco Brothers (from Chicago but featuring former Mekons singer Jon Langford) last night--it was complete greatness, a rowdy punk/country blast in front of about 75 fans. Jon was funny too when I met him before the show.> From: fatpotanga at gmail.com> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:22:54 +0100> Subject: [kj] OT: foos> > I. Saw. The. Foos. Last. Night. With. Support. By. The. Manics.> It. Was. Very. Nice. Then. We. Came. Home.> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From fluwdot at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  4 08:45:40 2008
From: fluwdot at earthlink.net (fluw)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:45:40 -0400
Subject: [kj] BO RIP
Message-ID: <48468E74.10801@earthlink.net>

bo diddley the originator of the rock n roll tribal beat has moved on to 
another dimension, everybody thumb a drum for the man today.

From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 09:40:43 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:40:43 +0100
Subject: [kj] Very OT - A couple Of Reviews for Comments
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thanks for your thoughts folky,those reviews were wrote by me btw,concerning to many quotes,it was stated that this particular review organisation insisted that you must add  quotes by the actual band,thats why  i put them in ;)
 
otherwise i would not of bothered with them,you can leave a comment at the bottom of the review if you wish,its all constructive critism and thats handy ;D
 
milinda


From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:40:04 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Very OT - A couple Of Reviews for Comments


Too many quotes, not enough 'history'. Maybe try breaking the albums down a bit more?My 2 cents, and as a former review writer, someone's always going to find something wrong ;) 


From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:14:19 +0100Subject: [kj] Very OT - A couple Of Reviews for CommentsA certain someone has asked me to post the following reviews on here, for praise or constructive critisism. Feel free to leave a comment after the reviews.http://www.music-nerds.com/music.php?id=31http://www.music-nerds.com/music.php?id=33DISCLAIMERThis is in no way a personal endorsement of the music being reviewed (can't stand 'em to be honest - lol).

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From gasw30 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 09:49:07 2008
From: gasw30 at hotmail.com (nicholas fitzpatrick)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:49:07 +0000
Subject: [kj] BO RIP
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I'm with you on that one Fluw.

'Bo Diddley had a farm,
Hey Bo Diddley,
And on that farm he had some women,
Hey Bo Diddley...'


They just don't write 'em like that anymore.



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> bo diddley the originator of the rock n roll tribal beat has moved on to 
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 11:10:57 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
Message-ID: <48455F01.7080308@sbcglobal.net>

http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350

Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!

HAHAHAHAHAHA

-Oliver

From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 11:29:01 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:29:01 -0700
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
 
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350> > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!> > HAHAHAHAHAHA> > -Oliver> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 11:46:51 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who 
are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny 
and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time 
to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 
hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of 
his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both 
subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against 
being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.

So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like 
they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, 
because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any 
of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all 
correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.

-Oliver


folk devil wrote:
> I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
>  
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> >
> > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
> >
> > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
> >
> > HAHAHAHAHAHA
> >
> > -Oliver
> >

From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 12:19:49 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:19:49 -0700
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated. 
I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. 
I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
 
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who > are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny > and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time > to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 > hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of > his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both > subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against > being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.> > So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like > they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, > because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any > of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all > correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.> > -Oliver> > > folk devil wrote:> > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.> > > >> >> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500> > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> > > To: gathering at misera.net> > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > >> > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350> > >> > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!> > >> > > HAHAHAHAHAHA> > >> > > -Oliver> > >> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Tue Jun  3 12:54:20 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54:20 +0100
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD81@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the world revolves around pros
& cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,
etc. Nevertheless, I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days, which appeals to me. I
think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the world works!
 
People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics, or common sense in this
case.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: 03 June 2008 17:20
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!


Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated. 
I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. 
I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
 


> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> 
> They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who 
> are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny 
> and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time 
> to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 
> hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of 
> his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both 
> subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against 
> being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
> 
> So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like 
> they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, 
> because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any 
> of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all 
> correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
> 
> -Oliver
> 
> 
> folk devil wrote:
> > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
> > 
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
> > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> > >
> > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
> > >
> > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
> > >
> > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
> > >
> > > -Oliver
> > >
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From jpwhkj at aol.com  Tue Jun  3 13:11:25 2008
From: jpwhkj at aol.com (jpwhkj at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:11:25 -0400
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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Gatherers,

Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.

Cheers,

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!



Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the world revolves around pros

& cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,

etc. Nevertheless,?I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days, which appeals to me. I

think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really

just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the world works!

?

People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics, or common sense in this

case.


-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: 03 June 2008 17:20
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!


Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated. 
I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. 
I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
?


> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> 
> They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who 
> are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny 
> and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time 
> to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 
> hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of 
> his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both 
> subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against 
> being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
> 
> So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like 
> they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, 
> because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any 
> of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all 
> correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
> 
> -Oliver
> 
> 
> folk devil wrote:
> > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
> > 
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
> > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> > >
> > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
> > >
> > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
> > >
> > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
> > >
> > > -Oliver
> > >
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From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  3 13:36:29 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:36:29 +0100
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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Congratulations to you both and welcome Alexandra.



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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Tue Jun  3 13:32:04 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:32:04 -0700
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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Congratulations to you all! Welcome to our crazy world, Alexandra! 

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jpwhkj at aol.com 
  To: gathering at misera.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:11 AM
  Subject: [kj] raise a glass...


  Gatherers,

  Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.

  Cheers,

  Jamie


  -----Original Message-----
  From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
  Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
  Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!


  Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the world revolves around pros
  & cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,
  etc. Nevertheless, I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days, which appeals to me. I
  think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
  just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the world works!

  People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics, or common sense in this
  case.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
    Sent: 03 June 2008 17:20
    To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
    Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!


    Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated. 
    I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. 
    I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
     


    > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
    > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
    > To: gathering at misera.net
    > Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
    > 
    > They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who 
    > are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny 
    > and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time 
    > to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 
    > hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of 
    > his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both 
    > subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against 
    > being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
    > 
    > So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like 
    > they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, 
    > because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any 
    > of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all 
    > correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
    > 
    > -Oliver
    > 
    > 
    > folk devil wrote:
    > > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
    > > 
    > >
    > >
    > > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
    > > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
    > > > To: gathering at misera.net
    > > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
    > > >
    > > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
    > > >
    > > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
    > > >
    > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
    > > >
    > > > -Oliver
    > > >
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From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk (Mik Raven)
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:53:52 -0300
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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Congratulations Jamie!!!!

all the best to mother and baby Alexandra

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From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:55:18 -0700
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 14:15:10 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:15:10 +0100
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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well done ;)  and i hope you will be able to say that to me one day for the very same thing jamie ;D
 
milinda


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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 14:29:17 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:29:17 -0500
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-W927C1FFF655C7F466A732EDBA0@phx.gbl>
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Sigh.

The point was never that Chomsky and Penny Rimbaud are equally brilliant 
thinkers, although both are countercultural icons and anarchists. The 
point is that selling a handwritten a letter from one is really 
hilarious since both are very anti-rock star (Chomsky is the 
intellectual equivalent of being anti-rock star and has said as much 
though in not these exact words), freely communicate with the mere 
peasants who write them, and are also still alive, so it is possible to 
still write them and probably get responses. That's why I used the 
comparison. Countercultural anarchists who freely and commonly write to 
folks.

Now, does Jaz do this...? Nt meant as a snarky question. Just curious.

Never ever said "Wow, Penny Rimbaud, that man who is as smart as Noam 
Chomsky," etc. Although I do think Penny is pretty darn smart, actually.

-Oliver


folk devil wrote:
> Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as 
> exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people 
> who write to them, although appreciated.
> I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, 
> in relation to Rimbaud.
> I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
>


From pascal at ledooz.com  Tue Jun  3 14:54:19 2008
From: pascal at ledooz.com (pascal)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:54:19 +0200
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
In-Reply-To: <BLU120-W300DAFA7AF511293A3C0D6B8BA0@phx.gbl>
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD81@mr-pants.the-lab.local><8CA93B3FCEA5077-EB4-CD5@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com><013401c8c5a0$5b1dfbb0$0100000a@jo><021901c8c5a2$c94d0160$0c01010a@jokers>
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I am actually raising my glass to Alexandra right now -congrats

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 03 June 2008 20:15
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] raise a glass...

 

well done ;)  and i hope you will be able to say that to me one day for the
very same thing jamie ;D
 
milinda



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To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:55:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] raise a glass...

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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  3 15:07:04 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alex Smith)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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From elana_mojica at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 15:17:31 2008
From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com (Elana Mojica)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:17:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
In-Reply-To: <013401c8c5a0$5b1dfbb0$0100000a@jo>
Message-ID: <129082.53164.qm@web57302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Congrats on the new addition!!


--- On Tue, 6/3/08, jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk> wrote:

> From: jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] raise a glass...
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 12:36 PM
> Congratulations to you both and welcome Alexandra.
> 
> 
> 
>   Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan -
> Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and
> daughter both fine.
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Jamie_______________________________________________
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Tue Jun  3 15:35:25 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:35:25 -0400
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD81@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
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Congrats!

I'll be raising 2 for that extra bit of good luck!

Cheers,
Me

At 01:11 PM 6/3/2008, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:
>Gatherers,
>
>Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, 
>born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Jamie

Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
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From woody2shooz at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  3 15:23:02 2008
From: woody2shooz at yahoo.co.uk (woody2shooz)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:23:02 +0100
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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cheers Jamie, glarse raised here, bootoms up.

grandfathership?

jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:
> Gatherers,
>
> Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, 
> born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jamie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>
> Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the 
> world revolves around pros
> & cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 
> 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,
> etc. Nevertheless, I think his idealistic view is more tempered these 
> days, which appeals to me. I
> think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types 
> identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
> just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how 
> the world works!
>  
> People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their 
> politics, or common sense in this
> case.
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net
>     <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>
>     [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net
>     <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?>]*On Behalf Of *folk devil
>     *Sent:* 03 June 2008 17:20
>     *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>     *Subject:* Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>
>     Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as
>     exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with
>     people who write to them, although appreciated.
>     I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and
>     prolific, in relation to Rimbaud.
>     I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
>      
>
>
>     > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
>     > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net <mailto:bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
>     > To: gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
>     > Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>     >
>     > They are in the same category of "people that are still alive"
>     and who
>     > are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from.
>     Both Penny
>     > and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take
>     the time
>     > to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20
>     > hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it
>     part of
>     > his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same
>     way. Both
>     > subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against
>     > being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
>     >
>     > So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd,
>     like
>     > they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two,
>     > because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price
>     from any
>     > of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all
>     > correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
>     >
>     > -Oliver
>     >
>     >
>     > folk devil wrote:
>     > > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same
>     category.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
>     > > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
>     <mailto:bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
>     > > > To: gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
>     > > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>     > > >
>     > > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
>     > > >
>     > > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
>     > > >
>     > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
>     > > >
>     > > > -Oliver
>     > > >
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Tue Jun  3 15:42:35 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:42:35 -0400
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
In-Reply-To: <48458D7D.6040403@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48455F01.7080308@sbcglobal.net>
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Doesn't using the term "mere peasants" automatically put that in to a 
different category?
I find that to be quite Elitist. HMMF!

In the words of an angry Hillary supporter.
"I am not a second class citizen!" :)

Cheers,
Me

At 02:29 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>Sigh.
>
>The point was never that Chomsky and Penny Rimbaud are equally 
>brilliant thinkers, although both are countercultural icons and 
>anarchists. The point is that selling a handwritten a letter from 
>one is really hilarious since both are very anti-rock star (Chomsky 
>is the intellectual equivalent of being anti-rock star and has said 
>as much though in not these exact words), freely communicate with 
>the mere peasants who write them, and are also still alive, so it is 
>possible to still write them and probably get responses. That's why 
>I used the comparison. Countercultural anarchists who freely and 
>commonly write to folks.

Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player.  
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Tue Jun  3 15:43:44 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:43:44 -0400
Subject: [kj] BO RIP
In-Reply-To: <48468E74.10801@earthlink.net>
References: <48468E74.10801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0K1W00AB9K54H0E0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Ayup... He was something special.

Cheers,
Me

At 08:45 AM 6/4/2008, fluw wrote:
>bo diddley the originator of the rock n roll tribal beat has moved 
>on to another dimension, everybody thumb a drum for the man today.
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Tue Jun  3 16:12:16 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:12:16 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: foos
In-Reply-To: <0C7ED68D-8579-4178-9766-D238C76007B8@gmail.com>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232CF92@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
	<0C7ED68D-8579-4178-9766-D238C76007B8@gmail.com>
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The show I saw the other week was the last show of their tour. I. Thought.

Suppose Grohl has recovered from falling flat on his face in a tangle of
cords. Good show eh?

> I. Saw. The. Foos. Last. Night. With. Support. By. The. Manics.
> It. Was. Very. Nice. Then. We. Came. Home.
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Tue Jun  3 16:19:01 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:19:01 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
In-Reply-To: <8CA93B3FCEA5077-EB4-CD5@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD81@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
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Message-ID: <18287.202.37.242.245.1212524341.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Congrats to Mum Dad and baby! :)

> Gatherers,
>
> Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born
> yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jamie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>
>
>
> Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the world
> revolves around pros
>
> & cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms
> about, relying on slogans,
>
> etc. Nevertheless,??I think his idealistic view is more tempered these
> days, which appeals to me. I
>
> think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify
> with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
>
> just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the
> world works!
>
> ??
>
> People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their
> politics, or common sense in this
>
> case.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
> Behalf Of folk devil
> Sent: 03 June 2008 17:20
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>
>
> Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as
> exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who
> write to them, although appreciated.
> I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in
> relation to Rimbaud.
> I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
> ??
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
>> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
>> To: gathering at misera.net
>> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>>
>> They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who
>> are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny
>> and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time
>> to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20
>> hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of
>> his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both
>> subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against
>> being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
>>
>> So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like
>> they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two,
>> because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any
>> of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all
>> correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
>>
>> -Oliver
>>
>>
>> folk devil wrote:
>> > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
>> > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
>> > > To: gathering at misera.net
>> > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>> > >
>> > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
>> > >
>> > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
>> > >
>> > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
>> > >
>> > > -Oliver
>> > >
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From bawhitehead at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 16:37:42 2008
From: bawhitehead at gmail.com (Brian Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:37:42 +0100
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
In-Reply-To: <8CA93B3FCEA5077-EB4-CD5@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD81@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
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Congratulations to you, mum and little one.

Brian.

2008/6/3 <jpwhkj at aol.com>:

> Gatherers,
>
> Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born
> yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jamie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net
> >
> Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>
>  Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the
> world revolves around pros
> & cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms
> about, relying on slogans,
> etc. Nevertheless, I think his idealistic view is more tempered these
> days, which appeals to me. I
> think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify
> with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
> just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the
> world works!
>
> People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their
> politics, or common sense in this
> case.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net<gathering-bounces at misera.net?>
> ]*On Behalf Of *folk devil
> *Sent:* 03 June 2008 17:20
> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> *Subject:* Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>
>  Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as
> exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who
> write to them, although appreciated.
> I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in
> relation to Rimbaud.
> I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> >
> > They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who
> > are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny
> > and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time
> > to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20
> > hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of
> > his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both
> > subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against
> > being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
> >
> > So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like
> > they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two,
> > because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any
> > of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all
> > correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
> >
> > -Oliver
> >
> >
> > folk devil wrote:
> > > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
> > > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
> > > >
> > > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
> > > >
> > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
> > > >
> > > > -Oliver
> > > >
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Tue Jun  3 16:41:58 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:41:58 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Recent eBay purchase
In-Reply-To: <4844146C.7080305@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48432127.4050304@sbcglobal.net>
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Yeah I played with Smurfs, but not in a homosexual way (that's what GI Joe
was for)

In my defence, me and another kid used to steal them by the dozen and blow
them up with fireworks between the legs or any other nook or cranny.
Remember how jokey used to always give people exploding presents? All of
mine ended up looking singed like that. Never managed to decapitate or
disfigure any, fireworks weren't grunty enough. My Dad reckons in his day
they used to blow up drain pipes with the fireworks they had back
then...they've tamed them down considerably now :)

I remember War Games, great movie at the time. Not sure if it's aged well,
be interesting to see how HOS (Hollywood OS) looked back then. I thought I
was gonna grow up and become a priest, hahahaha. My first ever family
nickname was BEELZEBUB :)


> Hmm, well, Wargames was one of my fave movies as a kid (Matthew
> Broderick) and I liked to play army a lot. I was alwas fascinated with
> the idea of World War III for as long as I can remember. In the 80s as a
> kid you had shows like Day After, Threads, Amerika (a mini series on TV
> about Soviet-occupied America) that were on all the time. I thought I
> was going to grow up and go into the Army.
>
> I did have a bike, though! But Smurfs? Blech! Did YOU play with those
> sissy little things??? :)
>
> -Brian
>
>
> Brendan wrote:
>> Olly did you ever watch The Smurfs, read comics, have a bike, that kinda
>> thing? Or were you more into collecting vials of your own blood and
>> trying
>> to make hybrid insects, that kinda thing?
>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>> I just know Jaz would love this. Used to be a "bible" of sorts on the
>>> subject, written by a scientist at the US Air Force's RAND think tank:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150251547945&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005#ebayphotohosting
>>>
>>>
>>> $5 USD is an incredibly good "Buy It Now" price for the original
>>> edition
>>> of the book.
>>>
>>> -Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Tue Jun  3 16:44:38 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:44:38 +0100
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD85@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

LOL - I just smoked an extra big bifter to celebrate the arrival of your new daughter! Congrats all !!!

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: 03 June 2008 20:35
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] raise a glass...


Congrats!

I'll be raising 2 for that extra bit of good luck!

Cheers,
Me

At 01:11 PM 6/3/2008, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:


Gatherers,

Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.

Cheers,

Jamie

Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player. 

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From a.tolksdorf at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  3 17:19:05 2008
From: a.tolksdorf at yahoo.co.uk (Alexandra Tolksdorf)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:19:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
In-Reply-To: <8CA93B3FCEA5077-EB4-CD5@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <465335.57151.qm@web27801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

congratulations - love the name 

~Alexandra.

--- On Tue, 3/6/08, jpwhkj at aol.com &lt;jpwhkj at aol.com&gt; wrote:

From: jpwhkj at aol.com &lt;jpwhkj at aol.com&gt;
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tuesday, 3 June, 2008, 6:11 PM


Gatherers,

Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.

Cheers,

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: ade &lt;ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk&gt;
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!



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Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications &amp; knows the world revolves around pros
&amp; cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,
etc. Nevertheless,&nbsp;I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days, which appeals to me. I
think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the world works!
&nbsp;
People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics, or common sense in this
case.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: 03 June 2008 17:20
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!

Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated. 
I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. 
I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
&nbsp;


&gt; Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
&gt; From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
&gt; To: gathering at misera.net
&gt; Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
&gt; 
&gt; They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who 
&gt; are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny 
&gt; and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time 
&gt; to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 
&gt; hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of 
&gt; his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both 
&gt; subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against 
&gt; being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
&gt; 
&gt; So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like 
&gt; they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, 
&gt; because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any 
&gt; of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all 
&gt; correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
&gt; 
&gt; -Oliver
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; folk devil wrote:
&gt; &gt; I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
&gt; &gt; &gt; To: gathering at misera.net
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; HAHAHAHAHAHA
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; -Oliver
&gt; &gt; &gt;
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From tabazan at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 17:42:02 2008
From: tabazan at gmail.com (Tabazan)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:42:02 +0100
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
In-Reply-To: <465335.57151.qm@web27801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <8CA93B3FCEA5077-EB4-CD5@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>
	<465335.57151.qm@web27801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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Congratulations Jamie :)



On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Alexandra Tolksdorf <
a.tolksdorf at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> congratulations - love the name
>
> *~Alexandra.*
>
> --- On *Tue, 3/6/08, jpwhkj at aol.com <jpwhkj at aol.com>* wrote:
>
> From: jpwhkj at aol.com <jpwhkj at aol.com>
> Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Tuesday, 3 June, 2008, 6:11 PM
>
>
> Gatherers,
>
> Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born
> yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jamie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net
> >
> Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>
>  Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the
> world revolves around pros
> & cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms
> about, relying on slogans,
> etc. Nevertheless, I think his idealistic view is more tempered these
> days, which appeals to me. I
> think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify
> with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
> just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the
> world works!
>
> People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their
> politics, or common sense in this
> case.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net<gathering-bounces at misera.net?>
> ]*On Behalf Of *folk devil
> *Sent:* 03 June 2008 17:20
> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> *Subject:* Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
>
> Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as
> exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who
> write to them, although appreciated.
> I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in
> relation to Rimbaud.
> I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> >
> > They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who
> > are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny
> > and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time
> > to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20
> > hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of
> > his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both
> > subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against
> > being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
> >
> > So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like
> > they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two,
> > because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any
> > of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all
> > correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
> >
> > -Oliver
> >
> >
> > folk devil wrote:
> > > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
> > > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
> > > >
> > > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
> > > >
> > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
> > > >
> > > > -Oliver
> > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Gathering mailing list
> > Gathering at misera.net
> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>
>
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 17:45:31 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:45:31 -0500
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
In-Reply-To: <0K1W0063NK37W1N0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <48455F01.7080308@sbcglobal.net>	<BAY107-W22B8A8908CE6C5113C2838EDBA0@phx.gbl>	<4845676B.3070908@sbcglobal.net>	<BAY107-W927C1FFF655C7F466A732EDBA0@phx.gbl>	<48458D7D.6040403@sbcglobal.net>
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Message-ID: <4845BB7B.6040207@sbcglobal.net>

Sorry, I meant to say "the vulgar rabble."

-Oliver


The Exorcist wrote:
> Doesn't using the term "*mere peasants*" automatically put that in to 
> a different category?
> I find that to be quite Elitist. HMMF!


From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Tue Jun  3 18:36:50 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:36:50 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
In-Reply-To: <4845BB7B.6040207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48455F01.7080308@sbcglobal.net>	<BAY107-W22B8A8908CE6C5113C2838EDBA0@phx.gbl>	<4845676B.3070908@sbcglobal.net>	<BAY107-W927C1FFF655C7F466A732EDBA0@phx.gbl>	<48458D7D.6040403@sbcglobal.net>
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	<4845BB7B.6040207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <33989.202.37.242.245.1212532610.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

What was it I said the other day - "The great unwashed"

Anyway it's all semantics, you know who you are!

> Sorry, I meant to say "the vulgar rabble."
>
> -Oliver
>
>
> The Exorcist wrote:
>> Doesn't using the term "*mere peasants*" automatically put that in to
>> a different category?
>> I find that to be quite Elitist. HMMF!
>
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From countessghoulita at aol.com  Tue Jun  3 18:39:04 2008
From: countessghoulita at aol.com (countessghoulita at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:39:04 -0400
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
In-Reply-To: <4881fb6c0806031442m51b5de81pec9e40cf9a9f922@mail.gmail.com>
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 Yay, another gemini in the board:). 


 Congratulations, Jamie!



 

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From: Tabazan <tabazan at gmail.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [kj] raise a glass...









Congratulations Jamie :)




On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Alexandra Tolksdorf <a.tolksdorf at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:







congratulations - love the name 

~Alexandra.

--- On Tue, 3/6/08, jpwhkj at aol.com <jpwhkj at aol.com> wrote:



From: jpwhkj at aol.com <jpwhkj at aol.com>

Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tuesday, 3 June, 2008, 6:11 PM







Gatherers,

Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.

Cheers,

Jamie


-----Original Message-----

From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!







Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the world revolves around pros


& cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,


etc. Nevertheless,?I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days, which appeals to me. I



think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really



just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the world works!



?


People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics, or common sense in this


case.




-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil

Sent: 03 June 2008 17:20
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!


Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated.
 
I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. 
I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
?


> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net

> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!

> 
> They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who 
> are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny 
> and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time 

> to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky
 officially does -- he spends 20 
> hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of 
> his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both 
> subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against 

> being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
> 
> So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like 
> they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, 

> because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any 
> of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all 
> correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.

> 
> -Oliver
> 
> 
> folk devil wrote:
> > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
> > 
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57
 -0500
> > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> > >
> > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350

> > >
> > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
> > >
> > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
> > >
> > > -Oliver

> > >
>
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 18:48:54 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:48:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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A glass each to the mom and baby.
&nbsp;
*time to tidy up the plane' -erm- i mean, place*


&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Tue, 6/3/08, jpwhkj at aol.com &lt;jpwhkj at aol.com&gt; wrote:

From: jpwhkj at aol.com &lt;jpwhkj at aol.com&gt;
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 10:11 AM


Gatherers,

Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.

Cheers,


      
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From bettedillinger at live.com  Tue Jun  3 19:39:33 2008
From: bettedillinger at live.com (Bette Dillinger)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:39:33 -0400
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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"The point is that selling a handwritten a letter from one is really hilarious since both are very anti-rock star (Chomsky is the intellectual equivalent of being anti-rock star and has said as much though in not these exact words), freely communicate with the mere peasants who write them, and are also still alive, so it is possible to still write them and probably get responses."
 
Well, I must ask, do you live near Mr Chomsky?  He is very affluent, and a prof's pension, even from MIT, would not do this, evidement!  He is flown from here to there (I recollect a flight he made two years ago from the US to Canada to give a speech in particular) on lear jets........  His book sales would not afford him this type of lifestyle.  Are you having any ideas about how he accomplishes this? ;) 
  So, indeed, he is a rock star intellectual....and simply because he states he is not does not make it true....Bob Dylan also states he is an anti-rock star.    
   BTW, I am very much in agreement with Noam Chomsky about many, if not most concepts, except the one that he is a modest church mouse who never desired the spotlight.  Thus, I am not the tedious "hater";  I would be delighted to see him speak.  However, I do take exception to his portrayal as an elderly Che Guevara.  He would not be interviewed by "60 Minutes" if he was not mainstream.....you have to have distractions in order to make your system of government work......and he is a hell of an eloquent spokesman/distraction.
 
My two cents
-Bette> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:29:17 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > Sigh.> > The point was never that Chomsky and Penny Rimbaud are equally brilliant > thinkers, although both are countercultural icons and anarchists. The > point is that selling a handwritten a letter from one is really > hilarious since both are very anti-rock star (Chomsky is the > intellectual equivalent of being anti-rock star and has said as much > though in not these exact words), freely communicate with the mere > peasants who write them, and are also still alive, so it is possible to > still write them and probably get responses. That's why I used the > comparison. Countercultural anarchists who freely and commonly write to > folks.> > Now, does Jaz do this...? Nt meant as a snarky question. Just curious.> > Never ever said "Wow, Penny Rimbaud, that man who is as smart as Noam > Chomsky," etc. Although I do think Penny is pretty darn smart, actually.> > -Oliver> > > folk devil wrote:> > Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as > > exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people > > who write to them, although appreciated.> > I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, > > in relation to Rimbaud.> > I agree on the absurdity of the sale.> >> > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From timmerrill at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 19:43:18 2008
From: timmerrill at hotmail.com (Tim Merrill)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:43:18 +0000
Subject: [kj] Congrats Jamie on the wee one
Message-ID: <BAY108-W5434FA0D12650BC1896F0CDEBA0@phx.gbl>


Congrats Jamie on your new daughter.
So when are you going to start getting her to listen to KJ?


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From timmerrill at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 19:54:29 2008
From: timmerrill at hotmail.com (Tim Merrill)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:54:29 +0000
Subject: [kj] Mosaico -ticket agency reliable?
Message-ID: <BAY108-W23E6595CCF6B052060C886DEBA0@phx.gbl>


Hoy Hoy French Gatherers!

Fellow brother Monk recently pointed me in the direction of Mosaico, a French ticketing agency who are
apparently selling tix for the KJ shows in Tokyo.

Aquiring tickets directly from Japan is proving difficult, so I was considering using Mosaico, but wanted to know if any of you had heard of them first, or even if they are reliable.

If anybody has any words, i'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks - TIK Tim In Korea
 

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From bettedillinger at live.com  Tue Jun  3 20:12:32 2008
From: bettedillinger at live.com (Bette Dillinger)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:12:32 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to
	talk	about:Great	names
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Yeah, no doubt Jay Leno worked very hard.  Didn't he also give workshops?  Did you ever go to one or hear about what he said in them?  I guess I am biased because of Hicks' aversion, which I understood.  Funny, Seinfeld I never really got either (WHOSE idea was this???...why does he always say that?).....but I will check out that movie with him.  
 
Have you ever seen the movie "The Aristocrats" where all these comedians tell their version of a very unique joke?
 
-Bette


From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: saulomar1 at yahoo.com; gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:05:50 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names


Jay Leno was known as the hardest working comedian in the US for years before he did the show--I agree that his stuff is just so-so (I watch Letterman instead) but you should really read his autobiog--it's very interesting. He tells amusing stories about dive clubs he performed in, before he was know--he even had his suit lit on fire once by cigarettes that were thrown at him while performing! I did standup 10 years ago for about a year, and it really tells what it's like to get started as a stand-up. Even better is the Seinfeld (documentary) movie, "Comedian"--that really gives a feel for exactly what it's like to do it...


Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:58:08 -0700From: saulomar1 at yahoo.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names



   People have told me his live stand-up work (every sun. night) is lots better than his TV work (but i like the "Headlines", Beyond-O and "Iron Jay" spoofs), and that to not expect much from his tv work because it pales in comparison.  
... ... ... ... ... ... (looking at the current state of things)
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 save me from Tomorrow..                           I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:
From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great namesTo: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 10:49 AM



Hi, Bette:
 
Totally agree with you about Jay Leno. He's hella annoying .
Too bad about the food situation in your area. 
 
Ciao,
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bette Dillinger 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names
Hey Greg!  I am glad you took it in the spirit it was meant in;  after I sent off the email I thought "Shit, this guy is gonna think I am out the gate" (interestingly, considering the similarity to a KJ album title, "out the gate" is a term for crazy we use in the Chicago/Detroit area.....I don't know if it is country wide). Anyhoo, food is in a sad state in the inner city too, no doubt.......I wonder how they can sell one hundred chicken wings for 7.00.  What is in that?  But again, that is to the poor.  Ya go by the chichi places by the waters of the Great Lakes and ya get your 11.00 mini Vegetarian Thai Salad.  A street over kids are being tested for lead poisoning.  Ugggh. I guess Jay Leno just has always bugged me.  He reminds me of a living Krusty the Clown.  He just needs a flapping dicky. Glad ya like Mista Hicks......."Rant in E Minor" I think is genius.  And the dude did it while going through chemo.....Jaysus.  A dying man telling the truth laughing.  Nothing more dangerous, nothing more true. -Bette  

From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Sat, 31 May 2008 00:30:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names

Good post Bette (you set me straight), I shouldn't blame people for only being able to get crappy food (ever try to buy fresh food in an inner city? it's impossible)...the only disagreement is that Jay Leno was making fun of that racist restaurant--actually he sounded more in a state of disbelief...I have heard Bill Hicks--good stuff, I've got to pull out those albums and listen to him again!



From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:42:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names

"People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography....."    -Well....when people gain access to unique food you might be surprised.  Yup, even in America......do rural people have alot of food options and money I wasn't apprised of?  I don't like to blame the victim.  When people in rural areas have access to different food, they just might try it.  That was my experience growing up, and that area is the same today.   Chinese food is not actually Chinese, and neither is Italian, so also that shows that the "Agenda" comes from the top levels.  Distort the original into a mediocre parody.  "AND WE SAY..........YOU DO IT THIS WAY!!!!"   Absence of choice is intentional.  "American Idiot" soothed the panic of the Starbucks crowd, of which the band Green Day are a part.   Also, quoting Jay Leno as any authority besides how to be a sad little comedian falls right into the "agenda", I would think...  Ever hear the Bill Hicks routine?  -With tears and laughter,Bette


Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:34:46 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names


One could almost imagine we're 'sophisticated' over here! ^^

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From gregslawson at msn.com  Tue Jun  3 20:18:23 2008
From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:18:23 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews
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Yes to the last question, but I wasn't that impressed w/"Aristocrats"--mostly a lot of toilet/sex humor. I was very impressed, however, w/"Comedian"--I think it's quite a movie, and like I said a very true-to-life documentary. I never knew Leno gave workshops--must be interesting.I also think I agree w/your views on Chomsky, Bette--he's got hugely useful info on US imperialism, but comes up short on what to do about it. I've heard he's pretty anti-communist too...


From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:12:32 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names


Yeah, no doubt Jay Leno worked very hard.  Didn't he also give workshops?  Did you ever go to one or hear about what he said in them?  I guess I am biased because of Hicks' aversion, which I understood.  Funny, Seinfeld I never really got either (WHOSE idea was this???...why does he always say that?).....but I will check out that movie with him.   Have you ever seen the movie "The Aristocrats" where all these comedians tell their version of a very unique joke? -Bette


From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: saulomar1 at yahoo.com; gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:05:50 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names

Jay Leno was known as the hardest working comedian in the US for years before he did the show--I agree that his stuff is just so-so (I watch Letterman instead) but you should really read his autobiog--it's very interesting. He tells amusing stories about dive clubs he performed in, before he was know--he even had his suit lit on fire once by cigarettes that were thrown at him while performing! I did standup 10 years ago for about a year, and it really tells what it's like to get started as a stand-up. Even better is the Seinfeld (documentary) movie, "Comedian"--that really gives a feel for exactly what it's like to do it...


Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:58:08 -0700From: saulomar1 at yahoo.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names



   People have told me his live stand-up work (every sun. night) is lots better than his TV work (but i like the "Headlines", Beyond-O and "Iron Jay" spoofs), and that to not expect much from his tv work because it pales in comparison.  
... ... ... ... ... ... (looking at the current state of things)
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 save me from Tomorrow..                           I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:
From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great namesTo: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 10:49 AM



Hi, Bette:
 
Totally agree with you about Jay Leno. He's hella annoying .
Too bad about the food situation in your area. 
 
Ciao,
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bette Dillinger 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names
Hey Greg!  I am glad you took it in the spirit it was meant in;  after I sent off the email I thought "Shit, this guy is gonna think I am out the gate" (interestingly, considering the similarity to a KJ album title, "out the gate" is a term for crazy we use in the Chicago/Detroit area.....I don't know if it is country wide). Anyhoo, food is in a sad state in the inner city too, no doubt.......I wonder how they can sell one hundred chicken wings for 7.00.  What is in that?  But again, that is to the poor.  Ya go by the chichi places by the waters of the Great Lakes and ya get your 11.00 mini Vegetarian Thai Salad.  A street over kids are being tested for lead poisoning.  Ugggh. I guess Jay Leno just has always bugged me.  He reminds me of a living Krusty the Clown.  He just needs a flapping dicky. Glad ya like Mista Hicks......."Rant in E Minor" I think is genius.  And the dude did it while going through chemo.....Jaysus.  A dying man telling the truth laughing.  Nothing more dangerous, nothing more true. -Bette  

From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Sat, 31 May 2008 00:30:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names

Good post Bette (you set me straight), I shouldn't blame people for only being able to get crappy food (ever try to buy fresh food in an inner city? it's impossible)...the only disagreement is that Jay Leno was making fun of that racist restaurant--actually he sounded more in a state of disbelief...I have heard Bill Hicks--good stuff, I've got to pull out those albums and listen to him again!



From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:42:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names

"People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography....."    -Well....when people gain access to unique food you might be surprised.  Yup, even in America......do rural people have alot of food options and money I wasn't apprised of?  I don't like to blame the victim.  When people in rural areas have access to different food, they just might try it.  That was my experience growing up, and that area is the same today.   Chinese food is not actually Chinese, and neither is Italian, so also that shows that the "Agenda" comes from the top levels.  Distort the original into a mediocre parody.  "AND WE SAY..........YOU DO IT THIS WAY!!!!"   Absence of choice is intentional.  "American Idiot" soothed the panic of the Starbucks crowd, of which the band Green Day are a part.   Also, quoting Jay Leno as any authority besides how to be a sad little comedian falls right into the "agenda", I would think...  Ever hear the Bill Hicks routine?  -With tears and laughter,Bette


Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:34:46 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to talk about:Great names


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From bettedillinger at live.com  Tue Jun  3 20:20:56 2008
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:20:56 -0400
Subject: [kj] Recent eBay purchase
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Dude, I love books like this.......THANKS!!!!!!!!!!> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:27:33 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Recent eBay purchase> > Olly did you ever watch The Smurfs, read comics, have a bike, that kinda> thing? Or were you more into collecting vials of your own blood and trying> to make hybrid insects, that kinda thing?> > ;)> > > I just know Jaz would love this. Used to be a "bible" of sorts on the> > subject, written by a scientist at the US Air Force's RAND think tank:> >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150251547945&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005#ebayphotohosting> >> >> > $5 USD is an incredibly good "Buy It Now" price for the original edition> > of the book.> >> > -Oliver> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 20:27:15 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:27:15 -0500
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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What do you mean "the concept Chomsky is a church mouse?" Who said that?

He takes almost every fucking speaking engagement he can get. His 
schedule is busy 24/7 giving talks, interviews, etc. Of course he is 
trying to communicate with people and get the message out; hence the 
writing of letters to people, which is part of this. He is extremely 
generos with his time and is constantly speaking at universities and 
when they will let him, on te American airwaves, which is rare. No one 
ever said he was a church mouse. He isn't one, thank god.

-Oliver



Bette Dillinger wrote:
>  
>    BTW, I am very much in agreement with Noam Chomsky about many, if 
> not most concepts, except the one that he is a modest church mouse who 
> never desired the spotlight.  Thus, I am not the tedious "hater";  I 
> would be delighted to see him speak.  However, I do take exception to 
> his portrayal as an elderly Che Guevara.  He would not be interviewed 
> by "60 Minutes" if he was not mainstream.....you have to have 
> distractions in order to make your system of government work......and 
> he is a hell of an eloquent spokesman/distraction.
>  
>


From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 20:32:03 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:32:03 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all
	KJnews	to	talk	about:Great	names
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Aristocrats was almost as big a let down as Juno, which played like a 
lobotomized Ghostworld-meets-DeGrassi High episode.

(There needs to be a name for the sub-genre of movies of smirkingly wry 
precocious teenage girls surrounded by eccentric characters who, though 
misfits, eventually have some deep revelation about life that causes 
them to "come of age" -- that's like a whole cottage industry of movies, 
a la "My First Mister," a horrible take on this genre with Leelee 
Sobieski [2001] as the stock precocious, sarcastic teenage girl 
protagonist, also surrounded, like Juno, by eccentric  or weird adults 
who don't understand her; humor is replaced with the protagonist being 
droll and precious in these films. I always picture the LiveJournal 
demographic thinking they're brilliant.)

-Oliver

GREG SLAWSON wrote:
> Yes to the last question, but I wasn't that impressed 
> w/"Aristocrats"--mostly a lot of toilet/sex humor.


From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Tue Jun  3 20:32:13 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:32:13 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews
 to	talk	about:Great	names
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There's a Bill Hicks interview about a show he and a couple of other
comedians did in the deep south, sounds like they were lucky to escape
alive...my internet is down at home but as soon as it's back up I'll try
to find it.

George Carlin is another great one...I love his 3 kinds of public
nuisance: Stupid, Full of Shit, Fucking Nuts (some people qualifying for
all 3)

BQ

>
> Yes to the last question, but I wasn't that impressed
> w/"Aristocrats"--mostly a lot of toilet/sex humor. I was very impressed,
> however, w/"Comedian"--I think it's quite a movie, and like I said a very
> true-to-life documentary. I never knew Leno gave workshops--must be
> interesting.I also think I agree w/your views on Chomsky, Bette--he's got
> hugely useful info on US imperialism, but comes up short on what to do
> about it. I've heard he's pretty anti-communist too...
>
>
> From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue, 3 Jun 2008
> 20:12:32 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk
> about:Great names
>
>
> Yeah, no doubt Jay Leno worked very hard.  Didn't he also give workshops?
> Did you ever go to one or hear about what he said in them?  I guess I am
> biased because of Hicks' aversion, which I understood.  Funny, Seinfeld I
> never really got either (WHOSE idea was this???...why does he always say
> that?).....but I will check out that movie with him.   Have you ever seen
> the movie "The Aristocrats" where all these comedians tell their version
> of a very unique joke? -Bette
>
>
> From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: saulomar1 at yahoo.com;
> gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:05:50 -0400Subject: Re: [kj]
> OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great names
>
> Jay Leno was known as the hardest working comedian in the US for years
> before he did the show--I agree that his stuff is just so-so (I watch
> Letterman instead) but you should really read his autobiog--it's very
> interesting. He tells amusing stories about dive clubs he performed in,
> before he was know--he even had his suit lit on fire once by cigarettes
> that were thrown at him while performing! I did standup 10 years ago for
> about a year, and it really tells what it's like to get started as a
> stand-up. Even better is the Seinfeld (documentary) movie,
> "Comedian"--that really gives a feel for exactly what it's like to do
> it...
>
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:58:08 -0700From: saulomar1 at yahoo.comTo:
> gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews
> to talk about:Great names
>
>
>
>    People have told me his live stand-up work (every sun. night) is lots
> better than his TV work (but i like the "Headlines", Beyond-O and "Iron
> Jay" spoofs), and that to not expect much from his tv work because it
> pales in comparison.
> ... ... ... ... ... ... (looking at the current state of things)
> 'Save me..
>  save me from Tomorrow..                           I don't want to sail in
> this Ship Of Fools...!'   --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Karen Weil
> <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:
> From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's
> fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great namesTo: "A list about all things
> Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Date: Monday, June 2,
> 2008, 10:49 AM
>
>
>
> Hi, Bette:
>
> Totally agree with you about Jay Leno. He's hella annoying .
> Too bad about the food situation in your area.
>
> Ciao,
>
> k.w.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bette Dillinger
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJnews to talk about:Great
> names
> Hey Greg!  I am glad you took it in the spirit it was meant in;  after I
> sent off the email I thought "Shit, this guy is gonna think I am out the
> gate" (interestingly, considering the similarity to a KJ album title, "out
> the gate" is a term for crazy we use in the Chicago/Detroit area.....I
> don't know if it is country wide). Anyhoo, food is in a sad state in the
> inner city too, no doubt.......I wonder how they can sell one hundred
> chicken wings for 7.00.  What is in that?  But again, that is to the poor.
>  Ya go by the chichi places by the waters of the Great Lakes and ya get
> your 11.00 mini Vegetarian Thai Salad.  A street over kids are being
> tested for lead poisoning.  Ugggh. I guess Jay Leno just has always bugged
> me.  He reminds me of a living Krusty the Clown.  He just needs a flapping
> dicky. Glad ya like Mista Hicks......."Rant in E Minor" I think is genius.
>  And the dude did it while going through chemo.....Jaysus.  A dying man
> telling the truth laughing.  Nothing more dangerous, nothing more true.
> -Bette
>
> From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Sat, 31 May 2008
> 00:30:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news to
> talk about:Great names
>
> Good post Bette (you set me straight), I shouldn't blame people for only
> being able to get crappy food (ever try to buy fresh food in an inner
> city? it's impossible)...the only disagreement is that Jay Leno was making
> fun of that racist restaurant--actually he sounded more in a state of
> disbelief...I have heard Bill Hicks--good stuff, I've got to pull out
> those albums and listen to him again!
>
>
>
> From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 May
> 2008 20:42:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
> to talk about:Great names
>
> "People in the suburbs and country would be too closed minded to eat
> anything besides Italian or Chinese anyway (the "redneck agenda/idiot
> American" in that Green Day song"). In Jay Leno's autobiography....."
> -Well....when people gain access to unique food you might be surprised.
> Yup, even in America......do rural people have alot of food options and
> money I wasn't apprised of?  I don't like to blame the victim.  When
> people in rural areas have access to different food, they just might try
> it.  That was my experience growing up, and that area is the same today.
> Chinese food is not actually Chinese, and neither is Italian, so also that
> shows that the "Agenda" comes from the top levels.  Distort the original
> into a mediocre parody.  "AND WE SAY..........YOU DO IT THIS WAY!!!!"
> Absence of choice is intentional.  "American Idiot" soothed the panic of
> the Starbucks crowd, of which the band Green Day are a part.   Also,
> quoting Jay Leno as any authority besides how to be a sad little comedian
> falls right into the "agenda", I would think...  Ever hear the Bill Hicks
> routine?  -With tears and laughter,Bette
>
>
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:34:46 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo:
> gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-all KJ news
> to talk about:Great names
>
>
> One could almost imagine we're 'sophisticated' over here! ^^
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Tue Jun  3 20:33:38 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:33:38 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Recent eBay purchase
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Someone should post it on a dating profile, 'Currently Reading: On
Thermonuclear War.' See what happens ;)

Who knows you might end up with a Killing Joke Appreciating porn starlet.

>
> Dude, I love books like this.......THANKS!!!!!!!!!!> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008
> 20:27:33 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Recent eBay purchase> > Olly did you ever watch The
> Smurfs, read comics, have a bike, that kinda> thing? Or were you more into
> collecting vials of your own blood and trying> to make hybrid insects,
> that kinda thing?> > ;)> > > I just know Jaz would love this. Used to be a
> "bible" of sorts on the> > subject, written by a scientist at the US Air
> Force's RAND think tank:> >> >> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150251547945&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005#ebayphotohosting>
> >> >> > $5 USD is an incredibly good "Buy It Now" price for the original
> edition> > of the book.> >> > -Oliver> >
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 20:37:55 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:37:55 -0500
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

"No one ever said he was a church mouse. He isn't one, thank god."





In fact, here's a recent piece about Chomsky, and this is why I love 
that 80 year old bastard. Like I said, he's no shrinking violet; he 
takes an opportunity he can to speak to others. Here, he basically 
conference-called a high school class, told them over speakerphone the 
scholl was pretty much training them to grow up to be tools:

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=192670&src=5 
<http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=192670&src=5>

*Linguist gives students lesson in free thinking
Dundee-Crown talks politics with MIT professor*

By Emily Krone | Daily Herald Staff
Published: 5/17/2008 12:16 AM

In a second-floor classroom at a Carpentersville high
school, one of America's most renowned free-thinkers
warned about 40 assembled students that the American
public school system conspires to blunt their
creativity and engender their obedience.

Via speakerphone from his office at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology, linguistics professor Noam
Chomsky told Dundee-Crown High School students that a
two-tiered educational system exists: While the elite
attend schools that promote critical, independent
thought, the masses attend schools that train students
to pass tests and follow orders.



The system evolved after the Industrial Revolution,
Chomsky said, when the ruling elite recognized the
need to transform independent artisans and farmers
into pliant factory workers.

Today as then, Chomsky said, the imperative is the
production of a docile work force that will perpetuate
the status quo.

Many public schools teach students that "the highest
aspiration is to be a nurse or a policeman," Chomsky
said. "It's indoctrination: That's my place in life.
That's the way the school system works."

But Chomsky's claim that schools don't promote
critical thought was undermined by the willingness of
Community Unit District 300 officials to facilitate a
dialogue with the radical provocateur for the second
time this school year.

Chomsky agreed to chat regularly with Dundee-Crown
students after Bruce Taylor, a social science teacher
at the high school, last year crashed his Boston
office and engaged him in a conversation.

"I guess it left an impression," Taylor said.

Chomsky's first phone discussion with Dundee-Crown
students earlier this year drew about 260 students,
teachers and community members, Taylor said.

The students who assembled after school Friday came of
their own volition, Taylor stressed. They approached
the speakerphone to pose questions they had prepared,
or thought up on the spot.

"It was fantastic," said junior Ryan Nanni, who asked
the question that touched off the discussion about the
American public school system.

"He has a whole outside perspective that's so
different than everything that students usually hear,"
Nanni said.

During the one-hour discussion, Chomsky expounded on a
range of topics, including the danger of unbridled
consumerism, the Pentagon Papers, the proposed
"gas-tax holiday," illegal enemy combatants and '60s
radicalism.

He asked students whether they would characterize, as
the U.S. government does, a 15-year-old who throws a
grenade at an invading American army as an illegal
enemy combatant.

And he suggested that the working definition of
terrorism, as defined by the U.S. government, would
make America the world's leading terrorist state.

The goal of the these informal discussions, Taylor
said, is to spark debate -- and thought -- rather than
to espouse a particular political view.

"The root of education is the need to be challenged,"
Taylor said. "The open forum of ideas is what we're
trying to stress."




From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 20:42:23 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:42:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] BO RIP
In-Reply-To: <48468E74.10801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <823029.24041.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&nbsp;&nbsp; On the news last night they said he used to play the guitar also as if it 
were a percussion instrument....
&nbsp;&nbsp; Just as they were starting to say they showed him playing (it's pretty punchy), 
and I thought... the only other person I've known that said of them ("play guitar as percussive...") is Geordie. 
&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe i'm hearing too much Geordie in Diddley's sound or Geordie has other influences
he doesn't mention.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp; Bo Diddley's passing so begs the question of whether Goerdie should take on 
an understudy because...ya know.......ya'neverknow....
&nbsp;


&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, fluw &lt;fluwdot at earthlink.net&gt; wrote:

From: fluw &lt;fluwdot at earthlink.net&gt;
Subject: [kj] BO RIP
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 5:45 AM

bo diddley the originator of the rock n roll tribal beat has moved on to 
another dimension, everybody thumb a drum for the man today.
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 20:43:05 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:43:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Jamie on the wee one
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-W5434FA0D12650BC1896F0CDEBA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <184701.32731.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

In Utero.
&nbsp;
8)


... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Tue, 6/3/08, Tim Merrill &lt;timmerrill at hotmail.com&gt; wrote:

From: Tim Merrill &lt;timmerrill at hotmail.com&gt;
Subject: [kj] Congrats Jamie on the wee one
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 4:43 PM




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Congrats Jamie on your new daughter.
So when are you going to start getting her to listen to KJ?


      
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Tue Jun  3 20:46:01 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:46:01 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
Message-ID: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247

Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
of, well several evils.


From sandstorm_mg at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 20:56:28 2008
From: sandstorm_mg at yahoo.com (Michael Garcia)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:56:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
Message-ID: <707391.40874.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Congrats!!


----- Original Message ----
From: "jpwhkj at aol.com" <jpwhkj at aol.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:11:25 AM
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...

Gatherers,

Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.

Cheers,

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!

 
Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the world revolves around pros
& cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,
etc. Nevertheless, I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days, which appeals to me. I
think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the world works!
 
People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics, or common sense in this
case.
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: 03 June 2008 17:20
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!

Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated. 
I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. 
I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
 


> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> 
> They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who 
> are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny 
> and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time 
> to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 
> hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of 
> his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both 
> subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against 
> being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
> 
> So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like 
> they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, 
> because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any 
> of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all 
> correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
> 
> -Oliver
> 
> 
> folk devil wrote:
> > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
> > 
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
> > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> > >
> > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
> > >
> > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
> > >
> > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
> > >
> > > -Oliver
> > >
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 21:11:39 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:11:39 -0700
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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Ollie, it's an expression "quiet as a church mouse", as opposed to loud and in everyone's face.
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:37:55 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:> > "No one ever said he was a church mouse. He isn't one, thank god."> > > 
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From bettedillinger at live.com  Tue Jun  3 21:17:56 2008
From: bettedillinger at live.com (Bette Dillinger)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:17:56 -0400
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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   What do you mean "the concept Chomsky is a church mouse?" Who said that?
 
    You did not leave in my adjective of modest, thus you have distorted my position.
 
I was talking about the fact that many do not look at his financial assets, possibly out of fear of 
 
learning something new about his relations with other groups.  Of course I am not out 
 
to insult Mr Chomsky, since most of his opinions are very valid......and I would be the first to say 
 
let's investigate the corruption of our current "leaders" in America first and foremost.  I simply was 
 
expressing conflictual sentiments about the man.  On the one 
 
hand I want to cheer him on, on the other I think something is rotten in the state of
 
 Denmark....(at least for me, and only me, it is obvious you feel differently, hazzah!)  However you 
 
are making my case for me:
"He takes almost every fucking speaking engagement he can get. His  schedule is busy 24/7 giving talks, interviews, etc. Of course he is  trying to communicate with people and get the message out; hence the  writing of letters to people, which is part of this. He is extremely  generos with his time and is constantly speaking at universities and  when they will let him, on te American airwaves, which is rare. No one  ever said he was a church mouse. He isn't one, thank god."
 
Little litmus test:  ask anyone you think has one brain cell in America to name a left wing Professor 
 
who is currently active.  I would bet ya it would be Mr Chomsky or Howard Zinn.  This doesn't 
 
come from "answering letters and being generous with time", it comes from mass exposure.  He has 
 
been on most major news programs in America so I do not understand where this underground 
 
status is that you seem to be attributing to him.  I have met many idealistic academics who 
 
wanted to do just this.....yet they were never profiled by major news outlets or given mass 
 
exposure.  I think those that rabidly defend Chomsky are too afraid to look behind the curtain and 
 
see the real visage of the Wizard.  
 
   Also surely, you are not arguing that Noam Chomsky is the only relevant critic of the system 
 
entitled to this kind of mass appeal?  There aren't any other younger academicians that have 
 
similar ideas?  Of course there are, I have met them.  Connect the dots..... Why wouldn't Noam try 
 
to find a successor at 80?  Do you find it unique that he was a Prof at MIT, a bastion of 
 
convervatism compared to say, UC Berkley and no one complained, in fact he thrived?  I had a 
 
professor who was suspended for making remarks about class in America.  I have seen it happen 
 
with my own eyes.  This professor wasn't a modest church mouse either, but his plight was never 
 
covered, as thousands across the country are not.  But Noam seems to be different.......
 
 
I am glad you are happy you feel he is not a church mouse;  I thank God I have no pristine 
 
household saints.  I say this with respect towards you and am just offering my views on one 
 
person.  I am in no way trying to portray him as Grandpa Satan ;).  
 
My two cents,
-Bette
 
  
 
 
 
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:27:15 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > What do you mean "the concept Chomsky is a church mouse?" Who said that?> > He takes almost every fucking speaking engagement he can get. His > schedule is busy 24/7 giving talks, interviews, etc. Of course he is > trying to communicate with people and get the message out; hence the > writing of letters to people, which is part of this. He is extremely > generos with his time and is constantly speaking at universities and > when they will let him, on te American airwaves, which is rare. No one > ever said he was a church mouse. He isn't one, thank god.> > -Oliver> > > > Bette Dillinger wrote:> > > > BTW, I am very much in agreement with Noam Chomsky about many, if > > not most concepts, except the one that he is a modest church mouse who > > never desired the spotlight. Thus, I am not the tedious "hater"; I > > would be delighted to see him speak. However, I do take exception to > > his portrayal as an elderly Che Guevara. He would not be interviewed > > by "60 Minutes" if he was not mainstream.....you have to have > > distractions in order to make your system of government work......and > > he is a hell of an eloquent spokesman/distraction.> > > >> > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From bettedillinger at live.com  Tue Jun  3 21:20:07 2008
From: bettedillinger at live.com (Bette Dillinger)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:20:07 -0400
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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She's part of a new age, at least I truly hope so......Congrats!


Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:56:28 -0700From: sandstorm_mg at yahoo.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] raise a glass...




Congrats!!
----- Original Message ----From: "jpwhkj at aol.com" <jpwhkj at aol.com>To: gathering at misera.netSent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:11:25 AMSubject: [kj] raise a glass...Gatherers,Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.Cheers,Jamie-----Original Message-----From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!

Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the world revolves around pros
& cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,
etc. Nevertheless, I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days, which appeals to me. I
think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the world works!
 
People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics, or common sense in this
case.

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devilSent: 03 June 2008 17:20To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated. I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. I agree on the absurdity of the sale. > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who > are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny > and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time > to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 > hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of > his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both > subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against > being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.> > So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like > they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, > because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any > of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all > correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.> > -Oliver> > > folk devil wrote:> > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.> > > >> >> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500> > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> > > To: gathering at misera.net> > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > >> > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350> > >> > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!> > >> > > HAHAHAHAHAHA> > >> > > -Oliver> > >> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 21:39:24 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:39:24 -0500
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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Quite familiar with the expression, thanks, and I didn't employ it in 
some idiosyncratic fashion, so dunno why you're explaining it.

-Oliver

folk devil wrote:
> Ollie, it's an expression "quiet as a church mouse", as opposed to 
> loud and in everyone's face.
>


From Partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Tue Jun  3 22:24:14 2008
From: Partyslammer at socal.rr.com (T.B.)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:24:14 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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"Brendan" wrote:


> Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.
>
> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247
>
> Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
> of, well several evils.

IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and McCain) 
are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives and few 
positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil salesman peddling 
"change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but he really has little 
substance behind his rhetoric.

Clinton really reeks of self-centered opportunism and heavy-handed 
government reactionary liberalism while McCain is basically a somewhat 
smarter, slightly more centered version of Bush which is gonna be a tough 
pill to swallow for another 4 - 8 years considering where the current 
administration has gotten us.

It'll come down to who picks whom for their VP running mate.  I'd honestly 
be shocked if Obama goes with Clinton after all the mud slinging the past 
year.  At this point, she's more of a liability than an asset as far as a 
running mate.  Obama really just wants her vocal support (translation: her 
significant voter base).

T.B. 


From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 23:12:27 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
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Well, you did seem to dwell on the expression, and not the whole sentence.
 
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:39:24 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > Quite familiar with the expression, thanks, and I didn't employ it in > some idiosyncratic fashion, so dunno why you're explaining it.> > -Oliver> > folk devil wrote:> > Ollie, it's an expression "quiet as a church mouse", as opposed to > > loud and in everyone's face.> >> > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  3 23:24:06 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:24:06 -0500
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. With 
Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the industrialized world 
and have universal health coverage. McCain wants to privatize it EVEN 
MORE than it is. Also, the two do have substantial differences over Iraq.

Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.

The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death penalty, 
privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 million uninsured, 
allowing private bounty hunters to collect on bail (I recently learned 
this was another unique, Wild West-style Americanism that few other 
countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo can go take a class for several 
weeks and then get certified to become a bounty hunter and legally enter 
peoples' homes, stun them, apprehend them, take them into prison if they 
miss bail payments).

Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the US an 
iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time last year. 
Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type threats, as in making 
them less likely.

I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even McCain 
would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be several shades 
even better than that.

-Oliver



T.B. wrote:
> IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and 
> McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives 
> and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil 
> salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but 
> he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.
>
>
>


From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Tue Jun  3 23:25:42 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:25:42 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Do you think there's any chance that with him it's not just rhetoric? You
lot (and the wider world) deserve someone in office who isn't stupid, full
of shit and fucking nuts. I'd prefer to see him get in rather than Clinton
or McCain, they both seem to enjoy the Wardance a bit much.

> "Brendan" wrote:
>
>
>> Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.
>>
>> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247
>>
>> Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
>> of, well several evils.
>
> IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and
> McCain)
> are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives and few
> positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil salesman peddling
> "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but he really has little
> substance behind his rhetoric.
>
> Clinton really reeks of self-centered opportunism and heavy-handed
> government reactionary liberalism while McCain is basically a somewhat
> smarter, slightly more centered version of Bush which is gonna be a tough
> pill to swallow for another 4 - 8 years considering where the current
> administration has gotten us.
>
> It'll come down to who picks whom for their VP running mate.  I'd honestly
> be shocked if Obama goes with Clinton after all the mud slinging the past
> year.  At this point, she's more of a liability than an asset as far as a
> running mate.  Obama really just wants her vocal support (translation: her
> significant voter base).
>
> T.B.
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 00:11:55 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:11:55 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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You mean Greater.

At 08:46 PM 6/3/2008, Brendan wrote:
>Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.
>
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247
>
>Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
>of, well several evils.
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 00:16:49 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:16:49 -0400
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YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.
Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people.
It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you.
The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.



At 11:24 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. 
>With Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the 
>industrialized world and have universal health coverage. McCain 
>wants to privatize it EVEN MORE than it is. Also, the two do have 
>substantial differences over Iraq.
>
>Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.
>
>The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death 
>penalty, privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 
>million uninsured, allowing private bounty hunters to collect on 
>bail (I recently learned this was another unique, Wild West-style 
>Americanism that few other countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo 
>can go take a class for several weeks and then get certified to 
>become a bounty hunter and legally enter peoples' homes, stun them, 
>apprehend them, take them into prison if they miss bail payments).
>
>Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the US 
>an iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time last 
>year. Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type threats, as 
>in making them less likely.
>
>I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even 
>McCain would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be 
>several shades even better than that.
>
>-Oliver
>
>
>
>T.B. wrote:
>>IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and 
>>McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives 
>>and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil 
>>salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people 
>>but he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.
>>
>>
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 00:28:03 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:28:03 -0400
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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If only he listened to his own advice.

I'd think an intellectual would have an open mind and be open to 
debate, honesty and admit if he/she was wrong.
He unfortunately has one way tunnel vision and can wax effusively 
about his cherished ideals but will
shut down his mind to anything else.

He might have a bright mind but he is still a pompous ass.

As you can clearly see, I have a great dislike for the fellow and my 
bias easily shows, however
I just felt like putting in my 2 cents.

Sincerely,
Me


At 08:37 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>
>"No one ever said he was a church mouse. He isn't one, thank god."
>
>
>
>
>
>In fact, here's a recent piece about Chomsky, and this is why I love 
>that 80 year old bastard. Like I said, he's no shrinking violet; he 
>takes an opportunity he can to speak to others. Here, he basically 
>conference-called a high school class, told them over speakerphone 
>the scholl was pretty much training them to grow up to be tools:
>
>http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=192670&src=5 
><http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=192670&src=5>
>
>*Linguist gives students lesson in free thinking
>Dundee-Crown talks politics with MIT professor*
>
>By Emily Krone | Daily Herald Staff
>Published: 5/17/2008 12:16 AM
>
>In a second-floor classroom at a Carpentersville high
>school, one of America's most renowned free-thinkers
>warned about 40 assembled students that the American
>public school system conspires to blunt their
>creativity and engender their obedience.
>
>Via speakerphone from his office at the Massachusetts
>Institute of Technology, linguistics professor Noam
>Chomsky told Dundee-Crown High School students that a
>two-tiered educational system exists: While the elite
>attend schools that promote critical, independent
>thought, the masses attend schools that train students
>to pass tests and follow orders.
>
>
>
>The system evolved after the Industrial Revolution,
>Chomsky said, when the ruling elite recognized the
>need to transform independent artisans and farmers
>into pliant factory workers.
>
>Today as then, Chomsky said, the imperative is the
>production of a docile work force that will perpetuate
>the status quo.
>
>Many public schools teach students that "the highest
>aspiration is to be a nurse or a policeman," Chomsky
>said. "It's indoctrination: That's my place in life.
>That's the way the school system works."
>
>But Chomsky's claim that schools don't promote
>critical thought was undermined by the willingness of
>Community Unit District 300 officials to facilitate a
>dialogue with the radical provocateur for the second
>time this school year.
>
>Chomsky agreed to chat regularly with Dundee-Crown
>students after Bruce Taylor, a social science teacher
>at the high school, last year crashed his Boston
>office and engaged him in a conversation.
>
>"I guess it left an impression," Taylor said.
>
>Chomsky's first phone discussion with Dundee-Crown
>students earlier this year drew about 260 students,
>teachers and community members, Taylor said.
>
>The students who assembled after school Friday came of
>their own volition, Taylor stressed. They approached
>the speakerphone to pose questions they had prepared,
>or thought up on the spot.
>
>"It was fantastic," said junior Ryan Nanni, who asked
>the question that touched off the discussion about the
>American public school system.
>
>"He has a whole outside perspective that's so
>different than everything that students usually hear,"
>Nanni said.
>
>During the one-hour discussion, Chomsky expounded on a
>range of topics, including the danger of unbridled
>consumerism, the Pentagon Papers, the proposed
>"gas-tax holiday," illegal enemy combatants and '60s
>radicalism.
>
>He asked students whether they would characterize, as
>the U.S. government does, a 15-year-old who throws a
>grenade at an invading American army as an illegal
>enemy combatant.
>
>And he suggested that the working definition of
>terrorism, as defined by the U.S. government, would
>make America the world's leading terrorist state.
>
>The goal of the these informal discussions, Taylor
>said, is to spark debate -- and thought -- rather than
>to espouse a particular political view.
>
>"The root of education is the need to be challenged,"
>Taylor said. "The open forum of ideas is what we're
>trying to stress."
>
>
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 00:50:00 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:50:00 -0500
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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I didn't say the rest of the world, I said like other Western 
industrialized nations. Right now when it comes to US eligioisty, 
executions etc., we're much more like the Middle East. So the US is 
"like everyone else" in some parts of the planet, Ironically, the US 
wants a pluralistic demoracy w/ public eductaion, freedom of religion, 
and a European style hc system for Iraq, a generosity it barely extends 
to its own people.

You're right, the US should do what's in its own interests. Those would 
be adopting some sort of universal coverage (US pays 16% of its GDP, 
more than any other OECD nation, but dos not guarantee coverage like 
they do, has far less better outcomes, etc. Average OECD expenditure on 
health care is about 9% of GDP, and those are countries that guarantee 
health care -- Japan, Australia, Spain, germany, Switzerland, etc., etc.)

If the govt' is here to protect and defend, it could start protecting 
and defending peoples' heath. Or do you mean it just needs to be a 
fist-pumping jingoist military garrison state or something? "Protect and 
defend its people" is what anyone would claim they want, and there are 
multiple ways to do that. Bt by industrialized world standards, we're a 
sorry lot. By non-industrialized nations' standards we're par for the 
course.

-Oliver


The Exorcist wrote:
> YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.
> Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its 
> people.
> It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you.
> The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.
>


From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 00:54:43 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:54:43 -0500
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Chomsky's extremely open for debate. Look for his debates on Youtube 
starting with, say, William F Buckley, Jr. 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlMEVTa-PI) Or Michel Foucault. Or the 
President of Boston University. Or Alan Dershowitz over Israel. Many of 
these are on YouTube. Just type "Chomsky debate."

Often the Q&A session after his talks become debates in and of themselves.

One problem is many US media outlets won't have him on for debates. Why? 
He usually wins.

Pity you don't like him, but no one is perfect, are they? :)

-Oliver


The Exorcist wrote:
> If only he listened to his own advice.
>
> I'd think an intellectual would have an open mind and be open to 
> debate, honesty and admit if he/she was wrong.
>


From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 01:37:37 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Tue,  3 Jun 2008 22:37:37 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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I am glad he won!

It is about time we had a black president. 

Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)

~ LB



In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 

Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser 
of, well several evils. 
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From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 01:44:31 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Tue,  3 Jun 2008 22:44:31 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
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I think "Bloodflowers" is an excellent album and poorly accepted by some, but to each his own right? ;)

It is so strange that the L.A. Times did not review both Cure shows here in Los Angeles? There is nothing online too on their page. They always have reviewed their gigs here when they have played.

Cheers,

- LB



In a message dated 06/03/08 00:53:45 Pacific Daylight Time, Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:
<<< second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites >>>

Mine too, I get goosebumps just thinking about when I saw/heard that one live.

 <<< Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound  a bit like "Wish" like Porl never left. >>>

>From the two new songs I heard, I thought one of them sounded like something off Bloodflowers.  Which is a compliment, I might add.  Much underrated album.

<<< You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many people sit down in their sits during that one. HA! >>>

Yes, I was hoping we wouldn't get "treated" to that one too, seeing as it was a Thursday...

Cheers,
Janean




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
Sent: 02 June 2008 19:17
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght


We were walking up when they were doing the new song and opener "Underneath the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for "Palinsong" as a opener too and they have been doing it on some of the stops but not this time which was fine. The sound was great and I never go to outdoor shows due to the crowds and shitty bands that open at times. 

Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound  a bit like "Wish" like Porl never left. 

You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!

Glad to post it. :)

~ LB

In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time, Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:
Cool!  They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March and these newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened the show with one.  (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong - surely nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)

Really looking forward to the new album.  Hope it's better than the last one.  Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by that awful first track.

Cheers for posting,
Janean




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght



So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great! The only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith , Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind them had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted Discharge more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw about 5 new songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new before the 4 encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something off of KJ's "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best new song yet! Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people there it seemed then Goths & Punks.  I did not see so many. Here is the setlist if you Cure fans want to check out....


http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html

~ LB


In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:
but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...
;)


On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)
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Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) and I still don't have a mobile...
Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past (typed while glancing at the sky)...

jr




On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> wrote:

30th B-day, if ever ;)




Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700 

From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net

Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday? 


http://www.nightruiner.com
http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale 



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Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. Mental.
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Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36
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Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.


On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:

yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...

I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...

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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Wed Jun  4 03:00:45 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:00:45 +1200
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Apparently the Aussies were slutted for a long time that they weren't
getting any combat roles over there, except for their special forces. Their
standard army troops felt embarrassed and were apparently beginning to be
mocked. Not sure why that was, seemed to me like it could have been an
operational decision, you need support and defence troops. But they are a
highly trained military so it rankled that they didn't get a chance to prove
it. Personally I couldn't be happier than to be as far away from any
warzone, I can't even really understand some of the war photographers. 

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Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. With 
Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the industrialized world 
and have universal health coverage. McCain wants to privatize it EVEN 
MORE than it is. Also, the two do have substantial differences over Iraq.

Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.

The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death penalty, 
privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 million uninsured, 
allowing private bounty hunters to collect on bail (I recently learned 
this was another unique, Wild West-style Americanism that few other 
countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo can go take a class for several 
weeks and then get certified to become a bounty hunter and legally enter 
peoples' homes, stun them, apprehend them, take them into prison if they 
miss bail payments).

Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the US an 
iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time last year. 
Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type threats, as in making 
them less likely.

I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even McCain 
would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be several shades 
even better than that.

-Oliver



T.B. wrote:
> IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and 
> McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives 
> and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil 
> salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but 
> he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.
>
>
>

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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Wed Jun  4 03:41:25 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn)
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Interesting, especially the rare bits where Buckley lets Chomski get a word
in edgewise, or doesn't threaten to punch him in the face. 

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Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2008 4:55 p.m.
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Chomsky's extremely open for debate. Look for his debates on Youtube 
starting with, say, William F Buckley, Jr. 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlMEVTa-PI) Or Michel Foucault. Or the 
President of Boston University. Or Alan Dershowitz over Israel. Many of 
these are on YouTube. Just type "Chomsky debate."

Often the Q&A session after his talks become debates in and of themselves.

One problem is many US media outlets won't have him on for debates. Why? 
He usually wins.

Pity you don't like him, but no one is perfect, are they? :)

-Oliver


The Exorcist wrote:
> If only he listened to his own advice.
>
> I'd think an intellectual would have an open mind and be open to 
> debate, honesty and admit if he/she was wrong.
>

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From jpwhkj at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 05:52:15 2008
From: jpwhkj at aol.com (jpwhkj at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:52:15 -0400
Subject: [kj] my family and KJ
Message-ID: <8CA943FCD9AF5E7-17AC-15D1@Webmail-mg17.sim.aol.com>

Dear all,

Thank you all for your congratulations.

The "in utero" comment made me smile - very witty!? But yes, she did of course hear the Joke from some while back.? My next youngest went to one of the 25th Anniversary gigs in utero, as it happens, and both my eldest daughter and my father have been to two or three KJ gigs each.

In answer to Woody's question, grandfatherhood will arrive in mid-September.

Back to the nappies,

Jamie
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  4 07:59:27 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 04:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] my family and KJ
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&gt; The "in utero" comment made me smile - very witty!
&nbsp;
Yeah, the Nirv'....
&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp; And, right now on Yahoo.com's mainpage 
I kid thee not (tho' thou&nbsp;just hath):
&nbsp;
 

Best '90s alt-rock bands
It seemed there were nothing but 
grunge bands in the 1990s, but these 
groups bucked the trend.
&nbsp;? 25 bands

New music this week: Weezer
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... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

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From: jpwhkj at aol.com &lt;jpwhkj at aol.com&gt;
Subject: [kj] my family and KJ
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 2:52 AM


Dear all,

Thank you all for your congratulations.

The "in utero" comment made me smile - very witty!&nbsp; But yes, she did of course hear the Joke from some while back.&nbsp; My next youngest went to one of the 25th Anniversary gigs in utero, as it happens, and both my eldest daughter and my father have been to two or three KJ gigs each.

In answer to Woody's question, grandfatherhood will arrive in mid-September.

Back to the nappies,

Jamie


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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 08:01:56 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:01:56 -0400
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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He does debate. But debate is pointless when you are shown as wrong and won't
admit to it. That's why I mentioned all 3.

Cheers,
Me

At 12:54 AM 6/4/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>Chomsky's extremely open for debate. Look for his debates on Youtube 
>starting with, say, William F Buckley, Jr. 
>(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlMEVTa-PI) Or Michel Foucault. Or 
>the President of Boston University. Or Alan Dershowitz over Israel. 
>Many of these are on YouTube. Just type "Chomsky debate."
>
>Often the Q&A session after his talks become debates in and of themselves.
>
>One problem is many US media outlets won't have him on for debates. 
>Why? He usually wins.
>
>Pity you don't like him, but no one is perfect, are they? :)
>
>-Oliver
>
>
>The Exorcist wrote:
>>If only he listened to his own advice.
>>
>>I'd think an intellectual would have an open mind and be open to 
>>debate, honesty and admit if he/she was wrong.
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 08:06:01 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:06:01 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, 
Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
We need a president who is well suited for the job.

This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not 
what the presidency is all about.

Cheers,
Me

At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
>I am glad he won!
>
>It is about time we had a black president.
>
>Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
>
>~ LB
>
>
>
>In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
>Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.
>
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247
>
>Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
>of, well several evils.
>
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 09:01:36 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:01:36 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD89@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

Do you think the US should pull out of Iraq, asap ?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
Sent: 04 June 2008 04:24
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. With 
Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the industrialized world 
and have universal health coverage. McCain wants to privatize it EVEN 
MORE than it is. Also, the two do have substantial differences over Iraq.

Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.

The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death penalty, 
privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 million uninsured, 
allowing private bounty hunters to collect on bail (I recently learned 
this was another unique, Wild West-style Americanism that few other 
countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo can go take a class for several 
weeks and then get certified to become a bounty hunter and legally enter 
peoples' homes, stun them, apprehend them, take them into prison if they 
miss bail payments).

Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the US an 
iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time last year. 
Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type threats, as in making 
them less likely.

I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even McCain 
would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be several shades 
even better than that.

-Oliver



T.B. wrote:
> IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and 
> McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives 
> and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil 
> salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but 
> he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.
>
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 10:29:32 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:29:32 -0400
Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
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BTW, I just wanted to clarify one thing.

I do not doubt his intelligence and would never call him an idiot.
He has a brilliant mind.

I just think he is intellectually dishonest due to his need/desire to 
prove his beliefs
and won't let anything outside influence it.

Best Wishes,
Me

Ps.
I second your comment...
No one  is perfect... *ahem* *clears throat*

At 12:54 AM 6/4/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>Chomsky's extremely open for debate. Look for his debates on Youtube 
>starting with, say, William F Buckley, Jr. 
>(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlMEVTa-PI) Or Michel Foucault. Or 
>the President of Boston University. Or Alan Dershowitz over Israel. 
>Many of these are on YouTube. Just type "Chomsky debate."
>
>Often the Q&A session after his talks become debates in and of themselves.
>
>One problem is many US media outlets won't have him on for debates. 
>Why? He usually wins.
>
>Pity you don't like him, but no one is perfect, are they? :)
>
>-Oliver
>
>
>The Exorcist wrote:
>>If only he listened to his own advice.
>>
>>I'd think an intellectual would have an open mind and be open to 
>>debate, honesty and admit if he/she was wrong.
>
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From gregslawson at msn.com  Wed Jun  4 11:25:32 2008
From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...


Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:06:01 -0400From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats ObamaWe don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...We need a president who is well suited for the job.This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not what the presidency is all about.Cheers,MeAt 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
I am glad he won! It is about time we had a black president.  Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;) ~ LB   In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:

Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. 
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 
Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser 
of, well several evils.  

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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 11:29:01 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:29:01 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
Now that would be a media circus.


From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
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From Partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Wed Jun  4 11:39:47 2008
From: Partyslammer at socal.rr.com (T.B.)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:39:47 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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"ade" wrote:


> Do you think the US should pull out of Iraq, asap ?

IMO, yeah, sure we should get out of the country asap.  The problem is, we 
can't.

We really screwed the pooch invading that country and severely 
underestimated the ability of the people there to become self-starters and 
govern themselves.  Not to mention our presence created a convenient place 
for every anti-American faction to gather, organize and fight us on 
basically their home ground further destabilizing the place.  Now, the 
moment we start pulling out in significant numbers, you'll see hardcore 
Islamic fanatics like the Taliban taking up the slack and overthrowing 
whatever fragile government might be in place and taking the country back to 
the stone age.

With oil at an all time high with no end in sight, any further major 
destabilization in global fuel sources will be catastrophic to the world 
economy.  Thus, while there may be a significant drawdown in combat troops 
in the next 5 years, we'll likely have a permanent military presence in the 
region for decades to come.  With countries like China gobbling up more and 
more oil, there basically *has* to be a Western (translation: US) military 
presence in the region to prevent a full tilt invasion somewhere down the 
line from China or even Russia.

T.B. 


From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 11:50:25 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:50:25 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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You're getting your facts mixed up. It's the 
lefties that enjoy bombing and killing.
William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, etc...

At 11:29 AM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
>One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite 
>possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
>Now that would be a media circus.
>
>
>
>----------
>From: gregslawson at msn.com
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job 
>hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking 
>out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to 
>his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although 
>I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
>
>
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 11:48:14 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:48:14 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Actually most of the talk show hosts do not 
bother with his name or mention it. One or two individuals do not
constitute a group.

At 11:25 AM 6/4/2008, GREG SLAWSON wrote:
>If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job 
>hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking 
>out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to 
>his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although 
>I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
>
>
>----------
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:06:01 -0400
>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>We don't need a black president. Or a white one, 
>Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
>We need a president who is well suited for the job.
>
>This Obama election is one big affirmative 
>action vote. That's not what the presidency is all about.
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
>I am glad he won!
>
>It is about time we had a black president.
>
>Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
>
>~ LB
>
>
>
>In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific 
>Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
>Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.
>
><http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 
>
>Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
>of, well several evils.
>
>
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. 
Being a winner is unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a 
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 11:45:51 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:45:51 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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"I didn't say the rest of the world, I said like other Western 
industrialized nations"

I don't think it needed clarification. I highly doubt someone would 
misconstrue what I said into
the US needing to be like Iran or any other non westernized state.

The US has a bit of everything from "some part of the planet". That's 
what makes it unique. To
pick and choose one thing in common with some other country is quite 
daft. The US is a huge melting pot.

The US does a damned fine job for it's people. Regarding public 
education, the amount of money spent is
crazy. It's just sad that the money given to the educators is wasted 
on shit like "taking kids to the grocery
to learn how to shop and interact with shopkeeps and shop workers". 
When the US has tough tests you
have the liberal loons crying and bitching that "the tests are to 
hard for the kids, we need to make it easier".
The poorly educated Americans are not due to a lack of effort. It's 
due to misguided individuals who fuck
everything up. (Oh yes, and also editing or removing Mark twain books 
because some things are "offensive")
Making college tests easier and allowing ppl. with lower scores 
access just for the sake of it... is pathetic.

CUNY quite a few years ago was considered a diploma paper mill. The 
degrees meant nothing and the schools
had no respect. They let anyone in and it damn near destroyed the 
system. They decided to make the standards
higher and tougher and things have improved immensely. Although now 
you have the radical left trying to bring it down
again and saying that it's not fair.

Regarding freedom of religion, there is no place as diverse as the US 
and all can do as they please (within the limits of law,
so yeah, fucking a 12 year old is a no go).

Has far less better outcomes? I'd love to know on what you base this. 
I'd also love to see how many countries have health care
available to as many non constituents (illegal aliens) as the US. Not 
to mention how many people come to the US for special operations.
Have you read on how many hospitals have closed down because of these 
ppl.? Do a quick search on hospital shutdowns in California.
It's horrific! If one needs an operation you don't have to wait 8 
months to see a damn Dr.

It's not cheap and it's not perfect but it sure as hell does not 
deserve the abuse it gets. When someone bitches, you know what?
Let 'em go to Cuba...

Protect and defend peoples' health? It's a capitalist system not a 
socialist system. Gov't interference should be extremely limited.
Plenty of health issues are directly related to an individuals lack 
of maintenance. When I have Mike Bloomberg taxing the fuck out
of a pack of cig's for the sake of "my health" that's bullshit. You 
make healthcare free to everyone the entire medical system would
go to shit.

Look at the housing market and the whole subprime mess. It was 
started because the gov't FORCED banks to give out loans and
mortgages to individuals who could not afford them. They wanted to be 
"fair", to enable the poor folk to have houses. Well they got it and
look what happened. It wreaked havoc and caused losses across the 
entire market. And those ppl. who got the loans from the bank...
Guess what. They lost their fucking houses because they never could 
afford it! Not everyone will have a house, not everyone will have
a car, not everyone will have a yacht and not everyone is entitled to 
everything. You work for it and hopefully get it.

When I say protect and defend it's not only militarily. They have to 
protect the consumers from fraud and price gouging. They need to
allow and defend the people their right to live life as they choose. 
Not allow changes to be imposed by third party entities. I can go into more
detail but I'm sure you get the gist of what I'm saying.

Healthcare for kids, the disabled and elderly, I support it and it is provided.
Free healthcare for everyone? Absolutely not.

Look at welfare, it used to be a free for all and people were content 
to sit on their asses and do nothing.
When the laws were changed and made stricter, people had some 
motivation to get up, get a job and stop
feeding of the working class like a buncha pariahs.

Large bureaucracy is no good for anyone.
You'll just end up with the committee on the committees for the 
committee created to over see the committee for committees.

Best Wishes,
Me


At 12:50 AM 6/4/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>I didn't say the rest of the world, I said like other Western 
>industrialized nations. Right now when it comes to US eligioisty, 
>executions etc., we're much more like the Middle East. So the US is 
>"like everyone else" in some parts of the planet, Ironically, the US 
>wants a pluralistic demoracy w/ public eductaion, freedom of 
>religion, and a European style hc system for Iraq, a generosity it 
>barely extends to its own people.
>
>You're right, the US should do what's in its own interests. Those 
>would be adopting some sort of universal coverage (US pays 16% of 
>its GDP, more than any other OECD nation, but dos not guarantee 
>coverage like they do, has far less better outcomes, etc. Average 
>OECD expenditure on health care is about 9% of GDP, and those are 
>countries that guarantee health care -- Japan, Australia, Spain, 
>germany, Switzerland, etc., etc.)
>
>If the govt' is here to protect and defend, it could start 
>protecting and defending peoples' heath. Or do you mean it just 
>needs to be a fist-pumping jingoist military garrison state or 
>something? "Protect and defend its people" is what anyone would 
>claim they want, and there are multiple ways to do that. Bt by 
>industrialized world standards, we're a sorry lot. By 
>non-industrialized nations' standards we're par for the course.
>
>-Oliver
>
>
>The Exorcist wrote:
>>YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.
>>Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people.
>>It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you.
>>The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.
>
>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
>We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers 
>contribute
>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
>unethical, while
>a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
>spirit of diversity,
>inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
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From Partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Wed Jun  4 12:04:07 2008
From: Partyslammer at socal.rr.com (T.B.)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:04:07 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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"GREG SLAWSON" wrote:



If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio 
nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I 
agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or 
atheist anyone for that matter)...

+++++++++++

Uhhh, because they *are* "ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk 
radio nuts" who should be given as much credence as say, Howard Stern.  Most 
sane (American) people don't get their voting tips from ass clowns like Rush 
Limbaugh.

T.B. 


From zeking_33 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 12:32:39 2008
From: zeking_33 at hotmail.com (ze king)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:32:39 +0000
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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congrats Jamie !!!
 
our daughter yana is yet 10 months old and beginning to walk...so fine to see raise your own child !
& she trills on kj music off course ;-)
 
marnick from brussels belgium alias ze king


To: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:11:25 -0400From: jpwhkj at aol.comSubject: [kj] raise a glass...Gatherers,Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.Cheers,Jamie-----Original Message-----From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!



Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the world revolves around pros
& cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,
etc. Nevertheless, I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days, which appeals to me. I
think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the world works!
 
People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics, or common sense in this
case.

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devilSent: 03 June 2008 17:20To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated. I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. I agree on the absurdity of the sale. > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who > are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny > and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time > to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 > hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of > his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both > subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against > being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.> > So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like > they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, > because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any > of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all > correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.> > -Oliver> > > folk devil wrote:> > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.> > > >> >> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500> > > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> > > To: gathering at misera.net> > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!> > >> > > http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350> > >> > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!> > >> > > HAHAHAHAHAHA> > >> > > -Oliver> > >> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 12:35:26 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:35:26 -0700
Subject: [kj] [OT] State of Play
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Just saw the BBC mini series 'State of Play'. 
Oil and the control of government, I highly recommend it, but am disappointed seeing it is being made into a hollywood film.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/stateofplay/
 
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From jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 12:37:48 2008
From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk (Jim Harper)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:37:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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Congratulations Jamie! All the best to your new resident!
&nbsp;
Jim.

http://www.flipsidemovies.com
http://jimharper.blogspot.com

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From: jpwhkj at aol.com &lt;jpwhkj at aol.com&gt;
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tuesday, 3 June, 2008, 6:11 PM


Gatherers,

Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.

Cheers,

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: ade &lt;ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk&gt;
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!



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Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications &amp; knows the world revolves around pros
&amp; cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms about, relying on slogans,
etc. Nevertheless,&nbsp;I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days, which appeals to me. I
think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really
just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the world works!
&nbsp;
People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics, or common sense in this
case.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: 03 June 2008 17:20
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!

Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who write to them, although appreciated. 
I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in relation to Rimbaud. 
I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
&nbsp;


&gt; Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
&gt; From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
&gt; To: gathering at misera.net
&gt; Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
&gt; 
&gt; They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who 
&gt; are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny 
&gt; and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time 
&gt; to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 
&gt; hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of 
&gt; his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both 
&gt; subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against 
&gt; being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
&gt; 
&gt; So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like 
&gt; they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, 
&gt; because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any 
&gt; of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all 
&gt; correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
&gt; 
&gt; -Oliver
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; folk devil wrote:
&gt; &gt; I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
&gt; &gt; &gt; To: gathering at misera.net
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; HAHAHAHAHAHA
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; -Oliver
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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 12:57:00 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:57:00 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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i agree with you lonestyle and i know what you mean ;)
 
well done obama and btw we share exactly same birth date,how uncanny is that 4/8/1961=11 master number
sorry i will shut up now ;P
 
milinda ps even if it is one big publicity stunt,who cares,i dont,as long as we get in a black president, obama is the right guy for the job,he ticks all the boxes,not just the black one lolits long over due,it will balance out u.s.a which it needs,and it would be even better if it were female ;) equality and all that!


Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:37:37 -0700From: lonestyle at aol.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

I am glad he won!
 
It is about time we had a black president. 
 
Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
 
~ LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:

Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser of, well several evils. 
 


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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 13:27:39 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:27:39 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Hi, Greg. Regarding your comments about hypocrite extraordinaire Limbaugh:
Sadly, if so-called principled Republicans would cross party lines and vote 
for a woman they all claim to hate more than Satan (during the recent 
primaries), all because their talk radio master instructs them to,  I fear 
we're in for a miserable November ...
But let's cross our fingers.

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> "GREG SLAWSON" wrote:
>
>
>
> If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk 
> radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his 
> name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist 
> president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
>
> +++++++++++
>
> Uhhh, because they *are* "ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid 
> talk radio nuts" who should be given as much credence as say, Howard 
> Stern.  Most sane (American) people don't get their voting tips from ass 
> clowns like Rush Limbaugh.
>
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 13:35:53 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:35:53 -0700
Subject: [kj] [OT] new melvins album
Message-ID: <BAY107-W2419EF68A721E39D078508EDB50@phx.gbl>


http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/50769-melvins-go-inudei-on-new-lp-tour-with-big-business
 
I know there are some followers here. :)
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 13:32:20 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:32:20 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz><c664b13a.a56b.45aa.932d.2ccd824febdd@aol.com><0K1X008K3TMBRI61@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><BAY125-W488552C7EDE72D703C6CACA9B50@phx.gbl><BAY107-W5DB6C596558D20ECB74B0EDB50@phx.gbl>
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Hey, Exorcist:

Timothy McVey? Eric Rudolph? Numerous abortion clinic bombers? 
It's not just hate-filled lefties. Anyone who uses violence to prove a point is despicable -- right, left, center, up, down, whatever.
Just think about it, OK?

k.w.
San Diego

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  You're getting your facts mixed up. It's the lefties that enjoy bombing and killing.
  William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, etc... 

  At 11:29 AM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:

    One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
    Now that would be a media circus.




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      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...




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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 13:33:17 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:33:17 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD89@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
	<1103C7C9488E4846A361FDC65C94C0CA@Bell2007PC>
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Well, gee, that's comforting ...
But I do agree with your some of your points.
Anyway, cross your fingers for November ...

k.w.
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From: "T.B." <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


> "ade" wrote:
>
>
>> Do you think the US should pull out of Iraq, asap ?
>
> IMO, yeah, sure we should get out of the country asap.  The problem is, we 
> can't.
>
> We really screwed the pooch invading that country and severely 
> underestimated the ability of the people there to become self-starters and 
> govern themselves.  Not to mention our presence created a convenient place 
> for every anti-American faction to gather, organize and fight us on 
> basically their home ground further destabilizing the place.  Now, the 
> moment we start pulling out in significant numbers, you'll see hardcore 
> Islamic fanatics like the Taliban taking up the slack and overthrowing 
> whatever fragile government might be in place and taking the country back 
> to the stone age.
>
> With oil at an all time high with no end in sight, any further major 
> destabilization in global fuel sources will be catastrophic to the world 
> economy.  Thus, while there may be a significant drawdown in combat troops 
> in the next 5 years, we'll likely have a permanent military presence in 
> the region for decades to come.  With countries like China gobbling up 
> more and more oil, there basically *has* to be a Western (translation: US) 
> military presence in the region to prevent a full tilt invasion somewhere 
> down the line from China or even Russia.
>
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 13:34:55 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:34:55 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz><c664b13a.a56b.45aa.932d.2ccd824febdd@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <009b01c8c669$4d93d9a0$4601010a@edweil>

Um, I really don't wish to start a back-and-forth here, but you're really starting to sound irrational and obnoxious. 
With all due respect, I'd suggest you go to Free Republic.com.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
  We need a president who is well suited for the job.

  This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not what the presidency is all about.

  Cheers,
  Me

  At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:

    I am glad he won!
     
    It is about time we had a black president. 
     
    Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
     
    ~ LB
     
     
     
    In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:

      Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. 


      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 


      Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser 

      of, well several evils. 


     

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From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 13:46:30 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 10:46:30 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-W5DB6C596558D20ECB74B0EDB50@phx.gbl>
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>,
	<c664b13a.a56b.45aa.932d.2ccd824febdd@aol.com>,
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Exactly! 

My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 

Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 

I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.


~ LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:
One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
Now that would be a media circus.





From: gregslawson at msn.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 13:43:13 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:43:13 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz><8E85419E7B3C4CEFB807BCA4B54864F7@Bell2007PC><48460AD6.8040706@sbcglobal.net>
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Really? Isn't that essentially what we're doing in Iraq? Babysitting? 
And I hate to break this to you, but pre-emptive wars/occupations are NOT in the public's best interest!

k.w.
 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.
  Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people.
  It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you. 
  The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.



  At 11:24 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

    It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. With Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the industrialized world and have universal health coverage. McCain wants to privatize it EVEN MORE than it is. Also, the two do have substantial differences over Iraq.

    Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.

    The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death penalty, privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 million uninsured, allowing private bounty hunters to collect on bail (I recently learned this was another unique, Wild West-style Americanism that few other countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo can go take a class for several weeks and then get certified to become a bounty hunter and legally enter peoples' homes, stun them, apprehend them, take them into prison if they miss bail payments).

    Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the US an iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time last year. Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type threats, as in making them less likely.

    I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even McCain would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be several shades even better than that.

    -Oliver



    T.B. wrote:

      IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.




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From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:45:44 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-allKJnews	to	talk	about:Great	names
References: <00a101c8c4d9$0e4e77f0$4601010a@edweil>	<518319.18524.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com><BAY125-W16473A41345D0BC0D17A10A9BA0@phx.gbl><BLU138-W405D0786F66DD6D035C57BBBB50@phx.gbl><BAY125-W9D829B757D4A440595E19A9B50@phx.gbl>
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You're spot on about "Juno." What an overrated film; I hated most of the 
dialogue.
But I confess to being a major "Ghostworld" fan.

k.w.
San Diego
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To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-allKJnews to talk about:Great 
names


> Aristocrats was almost as big a let down as Juno, which played like a 
> lobotomized Ghostworld-meets-DeGrassi High episode.
>
> (There needs to be a name for the sub-genre of movies of smirkingly wry 
> precocious teenage girls surrounded by eccentric characters who, though 
> misfits, eventually have some deep revelation about life that causes them 
> to "come of age" -- that's like a whole cottage industry of movies, a la 
> "My First Mister," a horrible take on this genre with Leelee Sobieski 
> [2001] as the stock precocious, sarcastic teenage girl protagonist, also 
> surrounded, like Juno, by eccentric  or weird adults who don't understand 
> her; humor is replaced with the protagonist being droll and precious in 
> these films. I always picture the LiveJournal demographic thinking they're 
> brilliant.)
>
> -Oliver
>
> GREG SLAWSON wrote:
>> Yes to the last question, but I wasn't that impressed 
>> w/"Aristocrats"--mostly a lot of toilet/sex humor.
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 13:47:26 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:47:26 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>,
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Let's hope your father is wrong. 
While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
Hell, even McCain might be.

k.w.
San Diego
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: LONESTYLE 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Exactly! 

  My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 

  Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 

  I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.


  ~ LB



  In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:
    One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
    Now that would be a media circus.




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      To: gathering at misera.net
      Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

      If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...




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From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 14:00:17 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 11:00:17 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <0K1X008K3TMBRI61@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>,
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Serious what is that suppose to mean? A black, white, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian, etc ? I mean color  or religion may not be the issue here?


I do not vote because of their color or religion, I vote of what I see, hear, read and if that person or persons is going to make a good president or not. I really do not want any of them getting red button happy.  

~ LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 06:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time, killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:
We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
We need a president who is well suited for the job.

This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not what the presidency is all about.

Cheers,
Me

At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:

I am glad he won!
 
It is about time we had a black president. 
 
Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
 
~ LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:

Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. 


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 


Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser 

of, well several evils. 


 


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From: a.tolksdorf at yahoo.co.uk (Alexandra Tolksdorf)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:07:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] OT wall art
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From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 14:08:38 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 11:08:38 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <015e01c8c66b$0d18d270$4601010a@edweil>
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>,
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	<0K1X008K3TMBRI61@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
	<BAY125-W488552C7EDE72D703C6CACA9B50@phx.gbl>,
	<BAY107-W5DB6C596558D20ECB74B0EDB50@phx.gbl>,
	<cf0c1119.a79a.430a.9d6f.6932c360cc72@aol.com>,
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Oh Karen me  too!

Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 

But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 

McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.


Cheers,

~LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
Let's hope your father is wrong. 
While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
Hell, even McCain might be.

k.w.
San Diego
----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Exactly! 

My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 

Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 

I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.


~ LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:
One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
Now that would be a media circus.





From: gregslawson at msn.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...





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From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk (Mik Raven)
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  4 14:11:52 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alex Smith)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:11:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-allKJnews	to	talk	about:Great	names
Message-ID: <15594093.1212603113370.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


"Juno" was a tepid plate of manufactured quirk. It was a glorified afterschool special that STRAINED to attain the offbeat charm of, say, "Napoloen Dynamite", "Rushmore", "Ghost World" etc.

People suck.
Alex in NYC



-----Original Message-----
>From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>Sent: Jun 4, 2008 1:45 PM
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-allKJnews	to	talk	about:Great	names
>
>You're spot on about "Juno." What an overrated film; I hated most of the 
>dialogue.
>But I confess to being a major "Ghostworld" fan.
>
>k.w.
>San Diego
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-allKJnews to talk about:Great 
>names
>
>
>> Aristocrats was almost as big a let down as Juno, which played like a 
>> lobotomized Ghostworld-meets-DeGrassi High episode.
>>
>> (There needs to be a name for the sub-genre of movies of smirkingly wry 
>> precocious teenage girls surrounded by eccentric characters who, though 
>> misfits, eventually have some deep revelation about life that causes them 
>> to "come of age" -- that's like a whole cottage industry of movies, a la 
>> "My First Mister," a horrible take on this genre with Leelee Sobieski 
>> [2001] as the stock precocious, sarcastic teenage girl protagonist, also 
>> surrounded, like Juno, by eccentric  or weird adults who don't understand 
>> her; humor is replaced with the protagonist being droll and precious in 
>> these films. I always picture the LiveJournal demographic thinking they're 
>> brilliant.)
>>
>> -Oliver
>>
>> GREG SLAWSON wrote:
>>> Yes to the last question, but I wasn't that impressed 
>>> w/"Aristocrats"--mostly a lot of toilet/sex humor.
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 14:27:32 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:27:32 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT because there's fuck-allKJnews	to	talk	about:Great	names
References: <15594093.1212603113370.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c8c670$a7911880$4601010a@edweil>

True, true, true, Alex! It was a total clone!

k..w.
San Diego
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From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-allKJnews to talk about:Great 
names


>
> "Juno" was a tepid plate of manufactured quirk. It was a glorified 
> afterschool special that STRAINED to attain the offbeat charm of, say, 
> "Napoloen Dynamite", "Rushmore", "Ghost World" etc.
>
> People suck.
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>>Sent: Jun 4, 2008 1:45 PM
>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-allKJnews to talk about:Great 
>>names
>>
>>You're spot on about "Juno." What an overrated film; I hated most of the
>>dialogue.
>>But I confess to being a major "Ghostworld" fan.
>>
>>k.w.
>>San Diego
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:32 PM
>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT because there's fuck-allKJnews to talk about:Great
>>names
>>
>>
>>> Aristocrats was almost as big a let down as Juno, which played like a
>>> lobotomized Ghostworld-meets-DeGrassi High episode.
>>>
>>> (There needs to be a name for the sub-genre of movies of smirkingly wry
>>> precocious teenage girls surrounded by eccentric characters who, though
>>> misfits, eventually have some deep revelation about life that causes 
>>> them
>>> to "come of age" -- that's like a whole cottage industry of movies, a la
>>> "My First Mister," a horrible take on this genre with Leelee Sobieski
>>> [2001] as the stock precocious, sarcastic teenage girl protagonist, also
>>> surrounded, like Juno, by eccentric  or weird adults who don't 
>>> understand
>>> her; humor is replaced with the protagonist being droll and precious in
>>> these films. I always picture the LiveJournal demographic thinking 
>>> they're
>>> brilliant.)
>>>
>>> -Oliver
>>>
>>> GREG SLAWSON wrote:
>>>> Yes to the last question, but I wasn't that impressed
>>>> w/"Aristocrats"--mostly a lot of toilet/sex humor.
>>>
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 14:30:35 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:30:35 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <6vcr3q$9rt9ja@mercury.karoo.kcom.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c8c671$145d1db0$4601010a@edweil>

You make some great points. I don't know if you're referring to Obama in the second sentence, but I would add, Americans were fine with putting a man with zero foreign policy experience (and really not much government, either) twice -- and look where that got us.
In Bush's case, experience wasn't so much the issue as highly misguided idealogy. 
Although, thankfully, Bush hasn't pushed the red button, either. 

k.w.
 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mik Raven 
  To: gathering at misera.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  I wouldn't worry too much about any of them getting red button happy. The one that came closest to it is the one that seems to be most revered, JFK. If Regan didn't do it I doubt that any of them would be stupid enough to. You have to have some concern though over someone with so little experience in government running possibly the most powerful nation on earth.



  On Wed Jun 4 19:00 , LONESTYLE <lonestyle at aol.com> sent:


    Serious what is that suppose to mean? A black, white, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian, etc ? I mean color  or religion may not be the issue here?


    I do not vote because of their color or religion, I vote of what I see, hear, read and if that person or persons is going to make a good president or not. I really do not want any of them getting red button happy.  

    ~ LB



    In a message dated 06/04/08 06:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time, killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:
      We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
      We need a president who is well suited for the job.

      This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not what the presidency is all about.

      Cheers,
      Me

      At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:

        I am glad he won!
         
        It is about time we had a black president. 
         
        Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
         
        ~ LB
         
         
         
        In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:

          Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. 


          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 


          Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser 

          of, well several evils. 


         

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From gregslawson at msn.com  Wed Jun  4 14:37:49 2008
From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:37:49 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Exorcist, the "lefties" that do the bombing were a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the old anti-Vietnam War movement. Calling themselves the "Weathermen" they were a handful of spoiled rich kids who know nothing about organizing a real anti-war movement. The party I belong to has always strongly condemmed them (we were the ones trying to bring the anti-war movement out of the colleges into the working class), as of course everyone else. It's ironic that a huge amount of attention is wasted on those assholes (recent books, movies, articles) instead of the 100,000 or so other students that were doing something positive against the Vietnam War. In fact most of these pseudo-terrorist groups are tiny compared to the rest of the left. It's no accident that the rightwing media harps on them endlesslly, to convince poeple like you that they represent the whole left. It's like saying that all rightwingers are in the KKK--do you believe that to?


Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:50:25 -0400From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats ObamaYou're getting your facts mixed up. It's the lefties that enjoy bombing and killing.William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, etc... At 11:29 AM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.Now that would be a media circus.



From: gregslawson at msn.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...

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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 14:35:03 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:35:03 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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LB:

Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's negatives.
If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
Carry on, LB!

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: LONESTYLE 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Oh Karen me  too!

  Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 

  But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 

  McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.


  Cheers,

  ~LB



  In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
    Let's hope your father is wrong. 
    While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
    Hell, even McCain might be.

    k.w.
    San Diego
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: LONESTYLE 
      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
      Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      Exactly! 

      My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 

      Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 

      I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.


      ~ LB



      In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:
        One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
        Now that would be a media circus.




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          If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...




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From gregslawson at msn.com  Wed Jun  4 14:40:04 2008
From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:40:04 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Actually Hillary's the one who's threatened Iran, Macain want to stay in Iraq and invade who knows where else, an d Obama has suggested bombing Pakistan. Boy, does imperialism suck!


Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:08:38 -0700From: lonestyle at aol.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

Oh Karen me  too!
 
Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 
 
But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 
 
McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.
 
 
Cheers,
 
~LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:


Let's hope your father is wrong. 
While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
Hell, even McCain might be.
 
k.w.
San Diego

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

Exactly! 
 
My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 
 
Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 
 
I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.
 
 
~ LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:

One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.Now that would be a media circus.


From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
 


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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 14:36:48 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:36:48 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Great message, Greg. You deftly answer all of Exorcist's charges. 
More power to you, sir!

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Exorcist, the "lefties" that do the bombing were a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the old anti-Vietnam War movement. Calling themselves the "Weathermen" they were a handful of spoiled rich kids who know nothing about organizing a real anti-war movement. The party I belong to has always strongly condemmed them (we were the ones trying to bring the anti-war movement out of the colleges into the working class), as of course everyone else. It's ironic that a huge amount of attention is wasted on those assholes (recent books, movies, articles) instead of the 100,000 or so other students that were doing something positive against the Vietnam War. In fact most of these pseudo-terrorist groups are tiny compared to the rest of the left. It's no accident that the rightwing media harps on them endlesslly, to convince poeple like you that they represent the whole left. It's like saying that all rightwingers are in the KKK--do you believe that to?



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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:50:25 -0400
    From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
    To: gathering at misera.net
    Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

    You're getting your facts mixed up. It's the lefties that enjoy bombing and killing.
    William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, etc... 

    At 11:29 AM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:

      One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
      Now that would be a media circus.




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        To: gathering at misera.net

        Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400

        Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


        If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...




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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 14:37:24 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:37:24 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>,
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Yeah, you are right on that ...


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GREG SLAWSON 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Actually Hillary's the one who's threatened Iran, Macain want to stay in Iraq and invade who knows where else, an d Obama has suggested bombing Pakistan. Boy, does imperialism suck!



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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:08:38 -0700
    From: lonestyle at aol.com
    To: gathering at misera.net
    Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


    Oh Karen me  too!

    Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 

    But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 

    McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.


    Cheers,

    ~LB



    In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
      Let's hope your father is wrong. 
      While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
      Hell, even McCain might be.

      k.w.
      San Diego
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: LONESTYLE 
        To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
        Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
        Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


        Exactly! 

        My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 

        Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 

        I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.


        ~ LB



        In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:
          One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
          Now that would be a media circus.




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            To: gathering at misera.net
            Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
            Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

            If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...




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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 14:45:14 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:45:14 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <002a01c8c671$b3da4750$4601010a@edweil>
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bush is so stupid,that i am truly suprised that he has not pushed the red button,i mean he has zero common sence,however,he is that thick,he just hasnt worked out were the switch is yet ;D))))  thank god ;/
 
milinda


From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:35:03 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

LB:
 
Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's negatives.
If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
Carry on, LB!
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

Oh Karen me  too!
 
Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 
 
But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 
 
McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.
 
 
Cheers,
 
~LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:


Let's hope your father is wrong. 
While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
Hell, even McCain might be.
 
k.w.
San Diego

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

Exactly! 
 
My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 
 
Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 
 
I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.
 
 
~ LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:

One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.Now that would be a media circus.


From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
 


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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Wed Jun  4 15:01:36 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:01:36 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE580B20@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

Found the Hollywood show on Dimeadozen, downloading it now - I'm interested to hear those 2 new tracks. 
 
Here is the link.  (Someone's also uploaded a photo.)  If you can't get on and want a copy let me know. 
 
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199367&page=0#startcomments
 
Cheers,
Janean
 
 
 
 
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of LONESTYLE

I think "Bloodflowers" is an excellent album and poorly accepted by some, but to each his own right? ;)
 
It is so strange that the L.A. Times did not review both Cure shows here in Los Angeles? There is nothing online too on their page. They always have reviewed their gigs here when they have played.
 
Cheers,
 
- LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/03/08 00:53:45 Pacific Daylight Time, Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:

	<<< second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites >>>
	 
	Mine too, I get goosebumps just thinking about when I saw/heard that one live.
	 
	 <<< Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound  a bit like "Wish" like Porl never left. >>>
	 
	From the two new songs I heard, I thought one of them sounded like something off Bloodflowers.  Which is a compliment, I might add.  Much underrated album.
	 
	<<< You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many people sit down in their sits during that one. HA! >>>
	 
	Yes, I was hoping we wouldn't get "treated" to that one too, seeing as it was a Thursday...
	 
	Cheers,
	Janean

________________________________

	From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
	Sent: 02 June 2008 19:17
	To: gathering at misera.net
	Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
	
	
	We were walking up when they were doing the new song and opener "Underneath the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for "Palinsong" as a opener too and they have been doing it on some of the stops but not this time which was fine. The sound was great and I never go to outdoor shows due to the crowds and shitty bands that open at times. 
	 
	Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound  a bit like "Wish" like Porl never left. 
	 
	You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!
	 
	Glad to post it. :)
	 
	~ LB
	 
	In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time, Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:

		Cool!  They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March and these newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened the show with one.  (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong - surely nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)
		 
		Really looking forward to the new album.  Hope it's better than the last one.  Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by that awful first track.
		 
		Cheers for posting,
		Janean

________________________________

		From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
		Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54
		To: gathering at misera.net
		Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
		
		
		 
		So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great! The only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith , Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind them had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted Discharge more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw about 5 new songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new before the 4 encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something off of KJ's "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best new song yet! Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people there it seemed then Goths & Punks.  I did not see so many. Here is the setlist if you Cure fans want to check out....
		 
		 
		http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html
		 
		~ LB
		 
		 
		In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:

			but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...
			;)
			
			
			On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
			

				iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)

					-----Original Message-----
					From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of n0153 jr
					Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04
					To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
					Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
					
					
					I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) and I still don't have a mobile...
					Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past (typed while glancing at the sky)...
					
					jr
					
					
					
					
					On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> wrote:
					

					30th B-day, if ever ;)
					
					

________________________________

					Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700 

					From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
					To: gathering at misera.net
					
					Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
					
					
					I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday? 
					
					 
					http://www.nightruiner.com
					http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
					http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale 


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					To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
					
					Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM
					Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
					
					
					Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. Mental.

					-----Original Message-----
					From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of iPat
					Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36
					To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
					Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
					
					
					ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.
					
					
					On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:
					

					yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...
					
					I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...
					
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 14:58:33 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:58:33 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>,
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Message-ID: <003001c8c674$fc983a80$4601010a@edweil>

I second that. Yet's just pray for good news in November.

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: melinda grant 
  To: gathering at misera.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  bush is so stupid,that i am truly suprised that he has not pushed the red button,i mean he has zero common sence,however,he is that thick,he just hasnt worked out were the switch is yet ;D))))  thank god ;/
   
  milinda




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    From: karen.weil at sddt.com
    To: gathering at misera.net
    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:35:03 -0700
    Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


    LB:

    Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
    And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
    Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's negatives.
    If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
    And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
    Carry on, LB!

    k.w.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: LONESTYLE 
      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
      Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      Oh Karen me  too!

      Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 

      But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 

      McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.


      Cheers,

      ~LB



      In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
        Let's hope your father is wrong. 
        While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
        Hell, even McCain might be.

        k.w.
        San Diego
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: LONESTYLE 
          To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
          Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
          Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


          Exactly! 

          My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 

          Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 

          I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.


          ~ LB



          In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:
            One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
            Now that would be a media circus.




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              If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...




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From a.madani at anirrationaldomain.net  Wed Jun  4 15:03:05 2008
From: a.madani at anirrationaldomain.net (A. Madani)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:03:05 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
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I would love one.  Thanks!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janean Lancaster" <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght


Found the Hollywood show on Dimeadozen, downloading it now - I'm interested 
to hear those 2 new tracks.

Here is the link.  (Someone's also uploaded a photo.)  If you can't get on 
and want a copy let me know.

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199367&page=0#startcomments

Cheers,
Janean




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
Behalf Of LONESTYLE

I think "Bloodflowers" is an excellent album and poorly accepted by some, 
but to each his own right? ;)

It is so strange that the L.A. Times did not review both Cure shows here in 
Los Angeles? There is nothing online too on their page. They always have 
reviewed their gigs here when they have played.

Cheers,

- LB



In a message dated 06/03/08 00:53:45 Pacific Daylight Time, 
Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:

<<< second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites >>>

Mine too, I get goosebumps just thinking about when I saw/heard that one 
live.

<<< Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back 
in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound  a bit like "Wish" 
like Porl never left. >>>

>From the two new songs I heard, I thought one of them sounded like something 
off Bloodflowers.  Which is a compliment, I might add.  Much underrated 
album.

<<< You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many 
people sit down in their sits during that one. HA! >>>

Yes, I was hoping we wouldn't get "treated" to that one too, seeing as it 
was a Thursday...

Cheers,
Janean

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
Behalf Of LONESTYLE
Sent: 02 June 2008 19:17
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght


We were walking up when they were doing the new song and opener "Underneath 
the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song "Prayers For 
Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for "Palinsong" as a 
opener too and they have been doing it on some of the stops but not this 
time which was fine. The sound was great and I never go to outdoor shows due 
to the crowds and shitty bands that open at times.

Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in 
the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound  a bit like "Wish" 
like Porl never left.

You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many 
people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!

Glad to post it. :)

~ LB

In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time, 
Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:

Cool!  They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March and these 
newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened the show with 
one.  (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong - surely 
nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)

Really looking forward to the new album.  Hope it's better than the last 
one.  Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by that awful 
first track.

Cheers for posting,
Janean

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
Behalf Of LONESTYLE
Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght



So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great! The 
only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith , 
Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind them 
had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted Discharge 
more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw about 5 new 
songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new before the 4 
encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something off of KJ's 
"Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best new song yet! 
Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people there it 
seemed then Goths & Punks.  I did not see so many. Here is the setlist if 
you Cure fans want to check out....


http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html

~ LB


In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, 
nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:

but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...
;)


On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On 
Behalf Of n0153 jr
Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) 
and I still don't have a mobile...
Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call 
me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past 
(typed while glancing at the sky)...

jr




On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> 
wrote:


30th B-day, if ever ;)



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Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700

From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net

Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. 
Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or 
shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely 
overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It 
really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while 
she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell 
phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday?


http://www.nightruiner.com
http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale


----- Original Message ----
From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. 
Mental.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On 
Behalf Of iPat
Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame


ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in 
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great 
improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after 
removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.


On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:


yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...

I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 
and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck 
me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a 
while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even 
more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to 
Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...

a



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From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:08:17 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
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Just heard "The Only ONe" Is that from the new album? It sounded pretty decent.> From: a.madani at anirrationaldomain.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:03:05 -0400> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > I would love one. Thanks!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janean Lancaster" <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:01 PM> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > > Found the Hollywood show on Dimeadozen, downloading it now - I'm interested > to hear those 2 new tracks.> > Here is the link. (Someone's also uploaded a photo.) If you can't get on > and want a copy let me know.> > http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199367&page=0#startcomments> > Cheers,> Janean> > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of LONESTYLE> > I think "Bloodflowers" is an excellent album and poorly accepted by some, > but to each his own right? ;)> > It is so strange that the L.A. Times did not review both Cure shows here in > Los Angeles? There is nothing online too on their page. They always have > reviewed their gigs here when they have played.> > Cheers,> > - LB> > > > In a message dated 06/03/08 00:53:45 Pacific Daylight Time, > Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:> > <<< second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites >>>> > Mine too, I get goosebumps just thinking about when I saw/heard that one > live.> > <<< Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back > in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit like "Wish" > like Porl never left. >>>> > >From the two new songs I heard, I thought one of them sounded like something > off Bloodflowers. Which is a compliment, I might add. Much underrated > album.> > <<< You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many > people sit down in their sits during that one. HA! >>>> > Yes, I was hoping we wouldn't get "treated" to that one too, seeing as it > was a Thursday...> > Cheers,> Janean> > ________________________________> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of LONESTYLE> Sent: 02 June 2008 19:17> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > > We were walking up when they were doing the new song and opener "Underneath > the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song "Prayers For > Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for "Palinsong" as a > opener too and they have been doing it on some of the stops but not this > time which was fine. The sound was great and I never go to outdoor shows due > to the crowds and shitty bands that open at times.> > Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in > the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit like "Wish" > like Porl never left.> > You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many > people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!> > Glad to post it. :)> > ~ LB> > In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time, > Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:> > Cool! They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March and these > newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened the show with > one. (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong - surely > nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)> > Really looking forward to the new album. Hope it's better than the last > one. Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by that awful > first track.> > Cheers for posting,> Janean> > ________________________________> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of LONESTYLE> Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > > > So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great! The > only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith , > Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind them > had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted Discharge > more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw about 5 new > songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new before the 4 > encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something off of KJ's > "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best new song yet! > Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people there it > seemed then Goths & Punks. I did not see so many. Here is the setlist if > you Cure fans want to check out....> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html> > ~ LB> > > In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, > nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:> > but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...> ;)> > > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:> > > iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On > Behalf Of n0153 jr> Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) > and I still don't have a mobile...> Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call > me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past > (typed while glancing at the sky)...> > jr> > > > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> > wrote:> > > 30th B-day, if ever ;)> > > > ________________________________> > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700> > From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com> To: gathering at misera.net> > Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. > Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or > shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely > overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It > really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while > she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell > phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday?> > > http://www.nightruiner.com> http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. > Mental.> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On > Behalf Of iPat> Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in > Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great > improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after > removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.> > > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:> > > yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...> > I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 > and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck > me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a > while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even > more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to > Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...> > a> > > > ________________________________> > Change the world with e-mail. 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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 15:19:11 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:19:11 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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indeedy karen,heres hoping for good news in both october(k.j gigs) and nov ;)
 
milinda


From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:58:33 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama



I second that. Yet's just pray for good news in November.
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: melinda grant 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
bush is so stupid,that i am truly suprised that he has not pushed the red button,i mean he has zero common sence,however,he is that thick,he just hasnt worked out were the switch is yet ;D))))  thank god ;/ milinda


From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:35:03 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
LB:
 
Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's negatives.
If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
Carry on, LB!
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

Oh Karen me  too!
 
Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 
 
But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 
 
McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.
 
 
Cheers,
 
~LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:


Let's hope your father is wrong. 
While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
Hell, even McCain might be.
 
k.w.
San Diego

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

Exactly! 
 
My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 
 
Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 
 
I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.
 
 
~ LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:

One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.Now that would be a media circus.


From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
 


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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 15:28:17 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:28:17 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
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me too if you have the time,though theres no rush ;)
 
milinda and mik raven


From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:08:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght


Just heard "The Only ONe" Is that from the new album? It sounded pretty decent.> From: a.madani at anirrationaldomain.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:03:05 -0400> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > I would love one. Thanks!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janean Lancaster" <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:01 PM> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > > Found the Hollywood show on Dimeadozen, downloading it now - I'm interested > to hear those 2 new tracks.> > Here is the link. (Someone's also uploaded a photo.) If you can't get on > and want a copy let me know.> > http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199367&page=0#startcomments> > Cheers,> Janean> > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of LONESTYLE> > I think "Bloodflowers" is an excellent album and poorly accepted by some, > but to each his own right? ;)> > It is so strange that the L.A. Times did not review both Cure shows here in > Los Angeles? There is nothing online too on their page. They always have > reviewed their gigs here when they have played.> > Cheers,> > - LB> > > > In a message dated 06/03/08 00:53:45 Pacific Daylight Time, > Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:> > <<< second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites >>>> > Mine too, I get goosebumps just thinking about when I saw/heard that one > live.> > <<< Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back > in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit like "Wish" > like Porl never left. >>>> > >From the two new songs I heard, I thought one of them sounded like something > off Bloodflowers. Which is a compliment, I might add. Much underrated > album.> > <<< You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many > people sit down in their sits during that one. HA! >>>> > Yes, I was hoping we wouldn't get "treated" to that one too, seeing as it > was a Thursday...> > Cheers,> Janean> > ________________________________> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of LONESTYLE> Sent: 02 June 2008 19:17> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > > We were walking up when they were doing the new song and opener "Underneath > the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song "Prayers For > Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for "Palinsong" as a > opener too and they have been doing it on some of the stops but not this > time which was fine. The sound was great and I never go to outdoor shows due > to the crowds and shitty bands that open at times.> > Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in > the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit like "Wish" > like Porl never left.> > You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many > people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!> > Glad to post it. :)> > ~ LB> > In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time, > Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:> > Cool! They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March and these > newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened the show with > one. (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong - surely > nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)> > Really looking forward to the new album. Hope it's better than the last > one. Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by that awful > first track.> > Cheers for posting,> Janean> > ________________________________> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of LONESTYLE> Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > > > So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great! The > only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith , > Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind them > had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted Discharge > more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw about 5 new > songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new before the 4 > encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something off of KJ's > "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best new song yet! > Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people there it > seemed then Goths & Punks. I did not see so many. Here is the setlist if > you Cure fans want to check out....> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html> > ~ LB> > > In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, > nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:> > but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...> ;)> > > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:> > > iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On > Behalf Of n0153 jr> Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) > and I still don't have a mobile...> Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call > me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past > (typed while glancing at the sky)...> > jr> > > > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> > wrote:> > > 30th B-day, if ever ;)> > > > ________________________________> > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700> > From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com> To: gathering at misera.net> > Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. > Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or > shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely > overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It > really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while > she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell > phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday?> > > http://www.nightruiner.com> http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. > Mental.> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On > Behalf Of iPat> Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in > Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great > improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after > removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.> > > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:> > > yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...> > I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 > and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck > me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a > while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even > more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to > Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...> > a> > > > ________________________________> > Change the world with e-mail. 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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 15:43:48 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:43:48 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing Crass
 jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass
Message-ID: <4846F074.9010203@sbcglobal.net>

Wow, this is hilarious. Vice is snarking n some old gy for wearing a 
Crass jacket. They do not seem to realize they are snarking on the 
fonding member, drummer, and lyricist of Crass himself, Penny Rimbaud, 
who they obviously don't recognize.


http://www.viceland.com/int/dd.php?id=571

Unbelievable.

Is Vice taking the piss or are they this moronic? From all I've heard 
I'm inclined to think the latter.

-Oliver

From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 15:50:10 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:50:10 -0500
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>	<c664b13a.a56b.45aa.932d.2ccd824febdd@aol.com>	<0K1X008K3TMBRI61@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>	<BAY125-W488552C7EDE72D703C6CACA9B50@phx.gbl>	<BAY107-W5DB6C596558D20ECB74B0EDB50@phx.gbl>
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About the Weathermen, excellent documentary on the topic with soundtrack 
done by Ian MacKaye of Fugazi/Minor Threat, you'll note they targeted 
vacant areas, never killed anyone except themselves during a mishap in 
their apartment. Right wing abortion cinic bombers and folks who shoot 
doctors that are reputed to perform them, not to mention the right-wing 
"the UN's gonna get us in their new world order" militia movement that 
played a role on the Oklahoma City bombing, are a province of the 
extreme right.

At the macro policy level, yes, the Democrats have proven quite 
bloodthirsty. Truman was the only President to authorize the use of 
atomic bombs against non-military, population centers or any foreign 
country ever for that mater, marking the US as the only nation to employ 
nuclear or atomic weapons against another. Truman so proposed universal 
health care, which was called a communist plot. LBJ and Kennedy 
escalated the Vietnam War, Bay of Pigs, etc. Clinton took the US into 
Somalia, Haiti, and the Balkans. FDR led the US throgh WWII. Yet despite 
all this, Dems have a weird reputation of being namby pamby liberals.

-Oliver



GREG SLAWSON wrote:
> Exorcist, the "lefties" that do the bombing were a tiny, tiny, tiny 
> minority of the old anti-Vietnam War movement. Calling themselves the 
> "Weathermen"


From angrytomhanks at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  4 16:07:41 2008
From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com (Leigh Newton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] [OT] new melvins album
Message-ID: <938783.46569.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

It's a good album. I don't LOVE it like i love (a) Senile Animal but it's still pretty great. Lots of bluesy, boogie type riffs. Pretty proggy too. 2112 style. 

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To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 1:35:53 PM
Subject: [kj] [OT] new melvins album

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From frenchyfrenzy at free.fr  Wed Jun  4 16:26:41 2008
From: frenchyfrenzy at free.fr (Frenchy Frenzy)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:26:41 +0200
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...
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Message-ID: <20080604202621.8B0E11AB2FB@smtp1-g19.free.fr>

Welcome into this wonderful world !

Please buy for her a pint of petrol and offer it for her 20'birthday when it
will be more expensive than gold ha ha ha !!

 

Congrats to the mother and see you in October in front of a pint of ...beer

 

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To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:11:25 -0400
From: jpwhkj at aol.com
Subject: [kj] raise a glass...

Gatherers,

Raise a glass to the latest addition to my clan - Alexandra Hepburn, born
yesterday morning, mother and daughter both fine.

Cheers,

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:54
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!

Chomski thinks his shit through, considers ramifications & knows the world
revolves around pros

& cons, not ideals. I think Rimbaud is a tad keen to throw 'right-on'-isms
about, relying on slogans,

etc. Nevertheless, I think his idealistic view is more tempered these days,
which appeals to me. I

think more of us truth- searching, wrong-hating, esoteric types identify
with Rimbaud, 'cos he's really

just a Pub Philosopher, whereas Chomsky *seems* to actually know how the
world works!

 

People will always buy shit from celebrities, no matter what their politics,
or common sense in this

case.

-----Original Message-----
From:  <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> gathering-bounces at misera.net [
<mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?>
mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: 03 June 2008 17:20
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!

Not really what I was referring to, and I don't really see them as
exceptional people in the context of them corresponding with people who
write to them, although appreciated. 
I just find Chomski's work a little more comprehensive and prolific, in
relation to Rimbaud. 
I agree on the absurdity of the sale.
 


> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:46:51 -0500
> From:  <mailto:bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> To:  <mailto:gathering at misera.net> gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> 
> They are in the same category of "people that are still alive" and who 
> are "absurdly easy to get in touch" with or get letters from. Both Penny 
> and Chomsky have a policy of writing most folks back who take the time 
> to write the, (Well, I know Chomsky officially does -- he spends 20 
> hours per week writing people back who write him, considers it part of 
> his job). Penny and other "real" DIY punk folks are the same way. Both 
> subscribe to a kind of anti-elitist anarchist ethos and are against 
> being inaccessible superstars, insulated from the public, etc.
> 
> So selling high priced letters by them on eBay is pretty absurd, like 
> they're Avril Lavigne or something. That's why I mention the two, 
> because it's especially absurd to sell a letter at a high price from any 
> of them hn they MAKE A POINT of answering most if not all 
> correspondence,an it's not like hey are dead people. Yet.
> 
> -Oliver
> 
> 
> folk devil wrote:
> > I am not sure I'd put Penny Rimbaud and Chomski in the same category.
> > 
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:57 -0500
> > > From:  <mailto:bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> > > To:  <mailto:gathering at misera.net> gathering at misera.net
> > > Subject: [kj] CRASS commercialism!
> > >
> > >  <http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350> http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=350
> > >
> > > Letter from Penny Rimbaud, "only" $70 on eBay!
> > >
> > > HAHAHAHAHAHA
> > >
> > > -Oliver
> > >
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 16:35:15 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:35:15 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing
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Winnie the pooh! hahaha!
 
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:43:48 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass> > Wow, this is hilarious. Vice is snarking n some old gy for wearing a > Crass jacket. They do not seem to realize they are snarking on the > fonding member, drummer, and lyricist of Crass himself, Penny Rimbaud, > who they obviously don't recognize.> > > http://www.viceland.com/int/dd.php?id=571> > Unbelievable.> > Is Vice taking the piss or are they this moronic? From all I've heard > I'm inclined to think the latter.> > -Oliver> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 16:35:51 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:35:51 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD8E@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

Well you say you'd prefer a black or female president - all he said was that colour & sex shouldn't
be the issues that they clearly are.
 
Equality anyone? Why on earth is this considered 'obnoxious' or whatever? Sounds like lefties crying
racist, frankly.
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
Sent: 04 June 2008 19:00
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Serious what is that suppose to mean? A black, white, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian, etc ? I mean color  or religion may not be the issue here?
 
 
I do not vote because of their color or religion, I vote of what I see, hear, read and if that person or persons is going to make a good president or not. I really do not want any of them getting red button happy.  
 
~ LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/04/08 06:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time, killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:

We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
We need a president who is well suited for the job.

This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not what the presidency is all about.

Cheers,
Me

At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:


I am glad he won!
 
It is about time we had a black president. 
 
Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
 
~ LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:


Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. 



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Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser 


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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 16:44:07 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:44:07 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD8F@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

Why on earth are you likening the idea that the elected person should be the best person for the
job (not a point-making exercise on a socio-political level) to going into Iraq? EVERYONE could
see that was fucked.
 
It *won't* be a new dawn & people will be VERY disappointed in Obama if he gets in & just happens
to be like the rest of 'em (politicians), which of course, he will be.
 
So YAY! Let's vote for the black dude to make a point! YAY!!! It'll make us feel warm inside... for
a while... all it's going to prove is that skin colour means fuck all, to those that care to listen...

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen Weil
Sent: 04 June 2008 18:43
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Really? Isn't that essentially what we're doing in Iraq? Babysitting? 
And I hate to break this to you, but pre-emptive wars/occupations are NOT in the public's best interest!
 
k.w.
 

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Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.
Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people.
It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you. 
The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.



At 11:24 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:


It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. With Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the industrialized world and have universal health coverage. McCain wants to privatize it EVEN MORE than it is. Also, the two do have substantial differences over Iraq.

Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.

The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death penalty, privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 million uninsured, allowing private bounty hunters to collect on bail (I recently learned this was another unique, Wild West-style Americanism that few other countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo can go take a class for several weeks and then get certified to become a bounty hunter and legally enter peoples' homes, stun them, apprehend them, take them into prison if they miss bail payments).

Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the US an iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time last year. Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type threats, as in making them less likely.

I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even McCain would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be several shades even better than that.

-Oliver



T.B. wrote:


IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.





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From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 16:49:03 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 13:49:03 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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That is true. As long as it isn't a brain in a jar that is president. ;)

The right cries too. ;P

~LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 13:37:04 Pacific Daylight Time, ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk writes:
Well you say you'd prefer a black or female president - all he said was that colour & sex shouldn't
be the issues that they clearly are.

Equality anyone? Why on earth is this considered 'obnoxious' or whatever? Sounds like lefties crying
racist, frankly.


-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
Sent: 04 June 2008 19:00
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Serious what is that suppose to mean? A black, white, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian, etc ? I mean color  or religion may not be the issue here?


I do not vote because of their color or religion, I vote of what I see, hear, read and if that person or persons is going to make a good president or not. I really do not want any of them getting red button happy.  

~ LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 06:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time, killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:
We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
We need a president who is well suited for the job.

This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not what the presidency is all about.

Cheers,
Me

At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:

I am glad he won!
 
It is about time we had a black president. 
 
Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
 
~ LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:

Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. 


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 


Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser 

of, well several evils. 


 


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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 16:51:30 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:51:30 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing
 Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's
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You know [to quote Hilary Clinton], it's been bugging me who Penny Rimbaud reminds me of..Gordon Sharp from cindytalk.
http://www.topiste.com/iN_tensioN/IMG/jpg/cindy1.jpg
 


From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:35:15 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's


Winnie the pooh! hahaha! > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:43:48 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass> > Wow, this is hilarious. Vice is snarking n some old gy for wearing a > Crass jacket. They do not seem to realize they are snarking on the > fonding member, drummer, and lyricist of Crass himself, Penny Rimbaud, > who they obviously don't recognize.> > > http://www.viceland.com/int/dd.php?id=571> > Unbelievable.> > Is Vice taking the piss or are they this moronic? From all I've heard > I'm inclined to think the latter.> > -Oliver> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 16:52:51 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:52:51 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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you mean it will just be business, as usual? ;)


Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:44:07 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama



Why on earth are you likening the idea that the elected person should be the best person for the
job (not a point-making exercise on a socio-political level) to going into Iraq? EVERYONE could
see that was fucked.
 
It *won't* be a new dawn & people will be VERY disappointed in Obama if he gets in & just happens
to be like the rest of 'em (politicians), which of course, he will be.
 
So YAY! Let's vote for the black dude to make a point! YAY!!! It'll make us feel warm inside... for
a while... all it's going to prove is that skin colour means fuck all, to those that care to listen...

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen WeilSent: 04 June 2008 18:43To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
Really? Isn't that essentially what we're doing in Iraq? Babysitting? 
And I hate to break this to you, but pre-emptive wars/occupations are NOT in the public's best interest!
 
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 16:53:53 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:53:53 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD90@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

I'm not even thinking about our reliance on oil, I just think if we get
out now, the place will become warlord/tribe controlled. I think anyone
who calls for removal of troops now doesn't give a shit about the people
left behind.

As soon as we went in, that was the death-sentence for any withdrawal
for YEARS. What a total fuck-up.

You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. Whereas
the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
nutfucks. We've trained them up...


-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of T.B.
Sent: 04 June 2008 16:40
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


"ade" wrote:


> Do you think the US should pull out of Iraq, asap ?

IMO, yeah, sure we should get out of the country asap.  The problem is, we 
can't.

We really screwed the pooch invading that country and severely 
underestimated the ability of the people there to become self-starters and 
govern themselves.  Not to mention our presence created a convenient place 
for every anti-American faction to gather, organize and fight us on 
basically their home ground further destabilizing the place.  Now, the 
moment we start pulling out in significant numbers, you'll see hardcore 
Islamic fanatics like the Taliban taking up the slack and overthrowing 
whatever fragile government might be in place and taking the country back to 
the stone age.

With oil at an all time high with no end in sight, any further major 
destabilization in global fuel sources will be catastrophic to the world 
economy.  Thus, while there may be a significant drawdown in combat troops 
in the next 5 years, we'll likely have a permanent military presence in the 
region for decades to come.  With countries like China gobbling up more and 
more oil, there basically *has* to be a Western (translation: US) military 
presence in the region to prevent a full tilt invasion somewhere down the 
line from China or even Russia.

T.B. 

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From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 16:54:09 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 13:54:09 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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I think anyone who becomes president the threats to Iran will always be there until they disarm their nuke program or we or someone else does. Maybe Israel will do it for us so we do not have to.  ;)

~LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 11:40:55 Pacific Daylight Time, gregslawson at msn.com writes:
Actually Hillary's the one who's threatened Iran, Macain want to stay in Iraq and invade who knows where else, an d Obama has suggested bombing Pakistan. Boy, does imperialism suck!




Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:08:38 -0700
From: lonestyle at aol.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Oh Karen me  too!

Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 

But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 

McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.


Cheers,

~LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
Let's hope your father is wrong. 
While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
Hell, even McCain might be.

k.w.
San Diego
----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Exactly! 

My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 

Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen. 

I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.


~ LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:
One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
Now that would be a media circus.





From: gregslawson at msn.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...





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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 17:06:23 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:06:23 -0500
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.

Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message 
what his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated 
into English, and newspaper printed them.

People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to 
think bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 
demands were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so 
that's one for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) 
restoration of Islamic caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin 
Laden has one out of 3 of these already, and he's closer to getting the 
3rd one now than he was when Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as 
the Kurds and others, suppressed.

Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
Saddam doing it? What an evil man.

-Oliver

ade wrote:
> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. Whereas
> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
>
>   


From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Wed Jun  4 17:21:24 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:21:24 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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I've been watching a lot of George Carlin recently, and I tend to give
*some* credence to his statement that politicians are a distraction. i.e.
the real power brokers or string pullers are the bankers, multinationals,
the wealthy individuals, groups, familes who fund political parties, the
ones who own and control the media. The argument being that the
politicians are a front group for the wealthy and powerful.

And it's not hard to imagine that even if Omaba was genuine about his
intentions, that he would be stymied, hamstrung, and perhaps killed. One
thing that concerns me is that he's a Christian...seems to be a
pre-requisite to even be considered for nomination, which is a shame.
Personally I think even more ground-breaking than a black President would
be an agnostic or atheist President.

It's always struck me as strange (and convenient) that in the US 
conservative generally implies Christian as well. i.e those who are most
in favour of more 'freedom' for business are those who would have you
believe in their invisible friend who lives in the clouds, who speaks
through them.

>
> Actually Hillary's the one who's threatened Iran, Macain want to stay in
> Iraq and invade who knows where else, an d Obama has suggested bombing
> Pakistan. Boy, does imperialism suck!
>
>
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:08:38 -0700From: lonestyle at aol.comTo:
> gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
> Oh Karen me  too!
>
> Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought
> us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc.
>
> But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon
> for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off
> the hook with inflation it is pitiful!
>
> McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a
> wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I
> think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is
> too much of a hot head.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> ~LB
>
>
>
> In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
> karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
>
>
> Let's hope your father is wrong.
> While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all
> the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt
> disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
> Hell, even McCain might be.
>
> k.w.
> San Diego
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LONESTYLE
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
> Exactly!
>
> My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected
> that he would be assassinated.
>
> Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots
> would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A.
> Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen.
>
> I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally
> get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of
> Bush and his cronies doings.
>
>
> ~ LB
>
>
>
> In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time,
> folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:
>
> One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man,
> before he gets to the whitehouse.Now that would be a media circus.
>
>
> From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008
> 11:25:32 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
> If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk
> radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his
> name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist
> president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
>
>
>
> Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone.
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From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 17:22:34 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 14:22:34 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
In-Reply-To: <BAY125-W36F315F81356878CE5BEA9A9B50@phx.gbl>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE580B20@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>,
	<000c01c8c675$9fa78b90$8901690a@ucsurgery.uc.edu>,
	<BAY125-W36F315F81356878CE5BEA9A9B50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0d631f30.1723.4a18.865e.520619342b22@aol.com>

Yep it is. It is not that bad for a pop song.

~LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 12:08:51 Pacific Daylight Time, gregslawson at msn.com writes:
Just heard "The Only ONe" Is that from the new album? It sounded pretty decent.

> From: a.madani at anirrationaldomain.net
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:03:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
> 
> I would love one. Thanks!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janean Lancaster" <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
> 
> 
> Found the Hollywood show on Dimeadozen, downloading it now - I'm interested 
> to hear those 2 new tracks.
> 
> Here is the link. (Someone's also uploaded a photo.) If you can't get on 
> and want a copy let me know.
> 
> http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199367&page=0#startcomments
> 
> Cheers,
> Janean
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
> Behalf Of LONESTYLE
> 
> I think "Bloodflowers" is an excellent album and poorly accepted by some, 
> but to each his own right? ;)
> 
> It is so strange that the L.A. Times did not review both Cure shows here in 
> Los Angeles? There is nothing online too on their page. They always have 
> reviewed their gigs here when they have played.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - LB
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 06/03/08 00:53:45 Pacific Daylight Time, 
> Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:
> 
> <<< second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites >>>
> 
> Mine too, I get goosebumps just thinking about when I saw/heard that one 
> live.
> 
> <<< Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back 
> in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit like "Wish" 
> like Porl never left. >>>
> 
> >From the two new songs I heard, I thought one of them sounded like something 
> off Bloodflowers. Which is a compliment, I might add. Much underrated 
> album.
> 
> <<< You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many 
> people sit down in their sits during that one. HA! >>>
> 
> Yes, I was hoping we wouldn't get "treated" to that one too, seeing as it 
> was a Thursday...
> 
> Cheers,
> Janean
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
> Behalf Of LONESTYLE
> Sent: 02 June 2008 19:17
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
> 
> 
> We were walking up when they were doing the new song and opener "Underneath 
> the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song "Prayers For 
> Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for "Palinsong" as a 
> opener too and they have been doing it on some of the stops but not this 
> time which was fine. The sound was great and I never go to outdoor shows due 
> to the crowds and shitty bands that open at times.
> 
> Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in 
> the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit like "Wish" 
> like Porl never left.
> 
> You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many 
> people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!
> 
> Glad to post it. :)
> 
> ~ LB
> 
> In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time, 
> Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:
> 
> Cool! They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March and these 
> newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened the show with 
> one. (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong - surely 
> nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)
> 
> Really looking forward to the new album. Hope it's better than the last 
> one. Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by that awful 
> first track.
> 
> Cheers for posting,
> Janean
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
> Behalf Of LONESTYLE
> Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
> 
> 
> 
> So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great! The 
> only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith , 
> Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind them 
> had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted Discharge 
> more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw about 5 new 
> songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new before the 4 
> encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something off of KJ's 
> "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best new song yet! 
> Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people there it 
> seemed then Goths & Punks. I did not see so many. Here is the setlist if 
> you Cure fans want to check out....
> 
> 
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html
> 
> ~ LB
> 
> 
> In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, 
> nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:
> 
> but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...
> ;)
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On 
> Behalf Of n0153 jr
> Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
> 
> 
> I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) 
> and I still don't have a mobile...
> Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call 
> me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past 
> (typed while glancing at the sky)...
> 
> jr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 30th B-day, if ever ;)
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700
> 
> From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
> To: gathering at misera.net
> 
> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
> 
> 
> I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. 
> Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or 
> shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely 
> overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It 
> really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while 
> she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell 
> phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday?
> 
> 
> http://www.nightruiner.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
> 
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
> 
> 
> Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. 
> Mental.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On 
> Behalf Of iPat
> Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
> 
> 
> ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in 
> Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great 
> improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after 
> removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...
> 
> I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 
> and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck 
> me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a 
> while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even 
> more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to 
> Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...
> 
> a
> 
> 
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From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 17:25:47 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 14:25:47 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
In-Reply-To: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE580B20@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE580B20@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
Message-ID: <63e00703.6156.426e.a57d.0d7ed87b94d4@aol.com>

That is cool. Thanks for the site. I am actually trying to get it off Soulseek as we speak. 

Cheers,

~ LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 12:01:10 Pacific Daylight Time, Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:
Found the Hollywood show on Dimeadozen, downloading it now - I'm interested to hear those 2 new tracks. 

Here is the link.  (Someone's also uploaded a photo.)  If you can't get on and want a copy let me know. 

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199367&page=0#startcomments 

Cheers, 
Janean 
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 17:28:42 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:28:42 -0500
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <14522.202.37.242.245.1212614484.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>,
	<c664b13a.a56b.45aa.932d.2ccd824febdd@aol.com>,
	<0K1X008K3TMBRI61@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
	<BAY125-W488552C7EDE72D703C6CACA9B50@phx.gbl>,
	<BAY107-W5DB6C596558D20ECB74B0EDB50@phx.gbl>,
	<cf0c1119.a79a.430a.9d6f.6932c360cc72@aol.com>,
	<015e01c8c66b$0d18d270$4601010a@edweil>
	<67672cfb.5e6b.498d.82c8.ef2c17d35f77@aol.com>	<BAY125-W11EDDC38B882FA2713E434A9B50@phx.gbl>
	<14522.202.37.242.245.1212614484.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <4847090A.9020200@sbcglobal.net>

Brendan, that's a notion I agree with. The American philosopher John 
Dewey said that "politics is the shadow business casts over society." 
That's basically what it is.

-Oliver


Brendan wrote:
> I've been watching a lot of George Carlin recently, and I tend to give
> *some* credence to his statement that politicians are a distraction. i.e.
> the real power brokers or string pullers are the bankers, multinationals,
> the wealthy individuals, groups, familes who fund political parties, the
> ones who own and control the media. The argument being that the
> politicians are a front group for the wealthy and powerful.


From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 17:24:46 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:24:46 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD90@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
	<484703CF.5090601@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <001801c8c689$69a2b830$4601010a@edweil>

You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

k.w.
San Diego
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
> Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
> warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
> unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
> Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
>
> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
> secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
> restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
> asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
> WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
> his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
> English, and newspaper printed them.
>
> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
> bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
> were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
> for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
> caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
> these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
> Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
> suppressed.
>
> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
> Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
>
> -Oliver
>
> ade wrote:
>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
>> Whereas
>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
>>
>>
>
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 17:31:01 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:31:01 -0700
Subject: [kj] [OT] The Joy Division Zune :/
Message-ID: <BAY107-W31FB7952D00D152E9DEEE5EDB50@phx.gbl>


http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/51091-hey-look-its-the-joy-division-zune
 
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Wed Jun  4 17:32:36 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:32:36 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing
 Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass
In-Reply-To: <4846F074.9010203@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4846F074.9010203@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <16117.202.37.242.245.1212615156.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Bolly if that's the later that's GOLD, you should see if you can get in
touch with the 'tards behind the website, strike up a conversation that
proves they honestly aren't aware of who that is, then let them in on it,
and blog the whole thing. And then send them an email once every three
months with 1500 lines of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (and ridicule them by
phone as well)

:)

> Wow, this is hilarious. Vice is snarking n some old gy for wearing a
> Crass jacket. They do not seem to realize they are snarking on the
> fonding member, drummer, and lyricist of Crass himself, Penny Rimbaud,
> who they obviously don't recognize.
>
>
> http://www.viceland.com/int/dd.php?id=571
>
> Unbelievable.
>
> Is Vice taking the piss or are they this moronic? From all I've heard
> I'm inclined to think the latter.
>
> -Oliver
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From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 17:42:32 2008
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:42:32 +1200
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <484703CF.5090601@sbcglobal.net>
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD90@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
	<484703CF.5090601@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <ce16091e0806041442r734d0d16wb9b6b533f586b307@mail.gmail.com>

you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked the US???
have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or any of the other 911 doco's?
there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign darkies... it was
your LEADERS!!!

WAKE UP!

YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!


=)



On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:06 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard
<bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or
> Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy
> warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion unleashed.
> In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man Tariq Aziz was
> a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
>
> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly
> secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could restore
> the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always asked "Why
> did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE WANT?" When bn
> Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what his demands were.
> These were and are readily available, translated into English, and newspaper
> printed them.
>
> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think
> bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands
> were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one
> for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic
> caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of
> these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when
> Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, suppressed.
>
> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But Saddam
> doing it? What an evil man.
>
> -Oliver
>
> ade wrote:
>>
>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. Whereas
>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Gathering mailing list
> Gathering at misera.net
> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>



-- 


"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."

From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 17:47:34 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:47:34 -0500
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <ce16091e0806041442r734d0d16wb9b6b533f586b307@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD90@mr-pants.the-lab.local>	<484703CF.5090601@sbcglobal.net>
	<ce16091e0806041442r734d0d16wb9b6b533f586b307@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48470D76.6020007@sbcglobal.net>

I'm not a "9/11 was an inside job" nutter.

-Oliver


bongo wrote:
> you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked the US???
> have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or any of the other 911 doco's?
> there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign darkies... it was
> your LEADERS!!!
>
> WAKE UP!
>
> YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!
>
>   
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   


From mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 17:49:15 2008
From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk (Mik Raven)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:49:15 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:03:04 +1200
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <6vckgg$9siqpe@earth.karoo.kcom.com>
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ah well...

just speaking my mind is all   =)

that plane that hit the pentagon sure hit hard . . . . . . . . .







On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Mik Raven <mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> People are always attracted to the conspiracy theories, they are far more
> interesting than the dull old truth!
>
>
>
> On Wed Jun 4 22:47 , 'B. Oliver Sheppard' <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> sent:
>
> I'm not a "9/11 was an inside job" nutter.
>
> -Oliver
>
>
> bongo wrote:
>> you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked the US???
>> have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or any of the other 911
>> doco's?
>> there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign darkies... it was
>> your LEADERS!!!
>>
>> WAKE UP!
>>
>> YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From Devacor at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 18:05:40 2008
From: Devacor at aol.com (Devacor at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:05:40 EDT
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
Message-ID: <cdc.2cadee80.35786bb4@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 6/4/2008 5:47:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net writes:

I'm not  a "9/11 was an inside job" nutter.

-Oliver


I def would not call any of the 9/11 people "nutters"-
 there is a ton of peculiar incidences surrounding and leading up to  it all- 
if looked at with an objective, open mind then there is plenty at the  least 
to scratch your head about. 
Of course some people get a little zealous but if that's how they feel,  then 
so be it...
 
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From mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 18:11:50 2008
From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk (Mik Raven)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:11:50 +0100
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 18:24:45 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:24:45 -0500
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <6vcr3q$9s12am@mercury.karoo.kcom.com>
References: <6vcr3q$9s12am@mercury.karoo.kcom.com>
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When he was massacring his own people, a lot of that was done with US 
support. Also, the targets of one of his pogroms were the Kurds, whose 
plight the US really played up in the lead-up to Gulf War 1. The Kurds 
are also being massacred by US ally Turkey, which has US air bases in 
its southeast. We should overthrow them, too, no?

-Oliver


Mik Raven wrote:
>
>
>
> Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal 
> despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people?
>


From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 18:35:09 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 15:35:09 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <002a01c8c671$b3da4750$4601010a@edweil>
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>,
	<c664b13a.a56b.45aa.932d.2ccd824febdd@aol.com>,
	<0K1X008K3TMBRI61@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
	<BAY125-W488552C7EDE72D703C6CACA9B50@phx.gbl>,
	<BAY107-W5DB6C596558D20ECB74B0EDB50@phx.gbl>,
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Karen,

Thank you. :) 

Let's just hope that things will change soon because The North Pole is looking good about now. ;)

~ LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 11:39:39 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
LB:

Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's negatives.
If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
Carry on, LB!

k.w.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Oh Karen me  too!

Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 

But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 

McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.


Cheers,

~LB
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From mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 18:38:45 2008
From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk (Mik Raven)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:38:45 +0100
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From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk (Mik Raven)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:33:59 +0100
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 18:49:54 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:49:54 -0500
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <6vcr2o$9e6n6u@venus.karoo.kcom.com>
References: <6vcr2o$9e6n6u@venus.karoo.kcom.com>
Message-ID: <48471C12.4070209@sbcglobal.net>

If things as are fatalistic as you say, then there was no point in 
describing Saddam as some sort of mass genocidal maniac, because that 
wouldn't matter; another would fill his shoes no matter what's done.

Seems to be a selective application of logic or concern. On the one 
hand, oppression and killing merits intervention because it's the right 
thing to do. On the other, why bother? Others will merely come and 
atrocities will continue. That's a pretty supple, elastic type of 
morality that wraps itself perfectly around the US flag right now.

-Oliver



Mik Raven wrote:
>
> whoever gets overthrown, there will always be someone else. If stalin 
> had been overthrown then people would have said why not mao. in fact 
> any government that takes positive action against evil is on to a 
> looser. why don't we all just give up and let the despots prevail? the 
> modern pc society eh? and if that isn't enough, whenever something 
> really bad happens, people have to find reasons why it was their own 
> government that was to blame. god i wish the world was full of 
> sensible people and not just populated by idiots willing to jump on 
> any bandwagon.
>
> what has happened to free thinkers? why is the world full of people 
> wanting to jump on the next conspiracy theory or think that ideals 
> will work without everyone subscribing to them? just as bad as 
> religious fundamentalists in my book.
>


From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 18:47:11 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:47:11 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <48720.202.37.242.245.1212540361.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>,
	<c664b13a.a56b.45aa.932d.2ccd824febdd@aol.com>,
	<0K1X008K3TMBRI61@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
	<BAY125-W488552C7EDE72D703C6CACA9B50@phx.gbl>,
	<BAY107-W5DB6C596558D20ECB74B0EDB50@phx.gbl>,
	<cf0c1119.a79a.430a.9d6f.6932c360cc72@aol.com>,
	<015e01c8c66b$0d18d270$4601010a@edweil>,
	<67672cfb.5e6b.498d.82c8.ef2c17d35f77@aol.com>,
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Oh geez, I'm not prepared to flee up there yet! ; )

Have a good one!

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: LONESTYLE 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Karen,

  Thank you. :) 

  Let's just hope that things will change soon because The North Pole is looking good about now. ;)

  ~ LB



  In a message dated 06/04/08 11:39:39 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
    LB:

    Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
    And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
    Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's negatives.
    If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
    And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
    Carry on, LB!

    k.w.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: LONESTYLE 
      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
      Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      Oh Karen me  too!

      Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 

      But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 

      McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.


      Cheers,

      ~LB



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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 18:49:25 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:49:25 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <6vcr3q$9s12am@mercury.karoo.kcom.com>
	<4847162D.9010309@sbcglobal.net>
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You got it, Oliver. Also, here's another little thing the mainstream media 
fails to mention: Saddam went into Kuwait in 1990 because, essentially, our 
government told him he could.
Sorry, Mik, but this country was happy to look the other way while Saddam 
killed his own people, because he was "our SOB" during the 1980s.
And none of that will ever justify the invasion of Iraq.

kw.
San Diego
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


> When he was massacring his own people, a lot of that was done with US 
> support. Also, the targets of one of his pogroms were the Kurds, whose 
> plight the US really played up in the lead-up to Gulf War 1. The Kurds are 
> also being massacred by US ally Turkey, which has US air bases in its 
> southeast. We should overthrow them, too, no?
>
> -Oliver
>
>
> Mik Raven wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot 
>> who was quite happy to massacre his own people?
>>
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Wed Jun  4 18:54:53 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:54:53 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <6vckgg$9siqpe@earth.karoo.kcom.com>
References: <6vckgg$9siqpe@earth.karoo.kcom.com>
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I watched 5 mins of Penn and Teller doing a BULLSHIT show on the 911
conspiracy theory topic last night, kicked it in the head half way through
because their idea of discrediting the theory seemed to be to find the
most fringe, unconvincing loonies they possibly could and yell swear words
at them. Makes for good tv, but doesn't make for a particularly valid
debate IMO. You can find a loonbag with an opinion about anything if you
look hard enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

Penn strikes me as a natural litigator as well, gift of the gab, big loud
energetic and in your face (and yes, entertaining and funny too). I tend
to give more weight to the quiet and considered approach of Chomsky for
example.

I am undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing
that does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both
apparently coincided with drills for those exact same scenarios.

Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the middle when it
didn't even take a hit.

I did read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the
one about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy
the steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,
the steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural deformation,
not actual destruction.

And the puffs of smoke seen coming out of the lower floors are consistent
with the shock wave of the higher levels collapsing and sending air
downwards...

But I note there's a book out about debunking the debunkers...which makes
perfect sense, science at work (you'd hope).


> <html>
> People are always attracted to the conspiracy theories, they are far more
> interesting than the dull old truth!<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <B>On Wed Jun 4 22:47 , 'B. Oliver Sheppard'
> &lt;bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net&gt; sent:<BR>
> <BR>
> </B>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
> 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #f5f5f5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">I'm not a "9/11
> was an inside job" nutter.<BR>
> <BR>
> -Oliver<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> bongo wrote:<BR>
> <FONT color=red>&gt; you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked
> the US???</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=red>&gt; have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or
> any of the other 911 doco's?</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=red>&gt; there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign
> darkies... it was</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=red>&gt; your LEADERS!!!</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=red>&gt;</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=red>&gt; WAKE UP!</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=red>&gt;</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=red>&gt; YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=red>&gt;</FONT><BR>
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 18:51:18 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <6vcr3q$9s12am@mercury.karoo.kcom.com>
Message-ID: <004601c8c695$807c5dc0$4601010a@edweil>

Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mik Raven 
  To: gathering at misera.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


        
       

        Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
       




  On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:


    You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
    started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

    k.w.
    San Diego
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
    To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
    <gathering at misera.net>
    Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
    Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


    > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
    > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
    > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
    > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
    > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
    >
    > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
    > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
    > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
    > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
    > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
    > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
    > English, and newspaper printed them.
    >
    > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
    > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
    > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
    > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
    > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
    > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
    > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
    > suppressed.
    >
    > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
    > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
    >
    > -Oliver
    >
    > ade wrote:
    >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
    >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
    >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
    >> Whereas
    >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
    >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
    >>
    >>
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From angrytomhanks at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  4 19:05:29 2008
From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com (Leigh Newton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing
	Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass
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I'd be willing to bet they knew that it was him. I can't imagine not one person on the writing staff wouldn't clue in, especially since the head honchos of that mag are pushing 40. Not a bunch of young punks. Vice can get a little fucking annoying in their giving an instant 10 star album review to anything that comes out on Southern Lord and any dead rapper and whatnot. They're also pretty sharp and I've read more than a few fascinating articles. Plus, the Dos and Don'ts are great. What's more funny than making fun of people?

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http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
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Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 3:43:48 PM
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass

Wow, this is hilarious. Vice is snarking n some old gy for wearing a 
Crass jacket. They do not seem to realize they are snarking on the 
fonding member, drummer, and lyricist of Crass himself, Penny Rimbaud, 
who they obviously don't recognize.


http://www.viceland.com/int/dd.php?id=571

Unbelievable.

Is Vice taking the piss or are they this moronic? From all I've heard 
I'm inclined to think the latter.

-Oliver
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Wed Jun  4 19:09:02 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:09:02 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Try closer to the south, come and live in NZ, 4 million people in a
country the size of the UK, nowhere near anything else, in a decade or two
we'll have 90% renewable energy, plenty of water, 20 times as much food as
we need, cup winning hash, bliss!

(Don't worry that house prices are more expensive than the US, incomes
lower, our politicians are just as fucked as everyone else's and our
'clean green' image is entirely undeserved and only a by-product of a very
low population density and a naturally beautiful landscape...and our meth
problem is amongst the worst in the developed world)


> Karen,
>
> Thank you. :)
>
> Let's just hope that things will change soon because The North Pole is
> looking good about now. ;)
>
> ~ LB
>
>
>
> In a message dated 06/04/08 11:39:39 Pacific Daylight Time,
> karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
> LB:
>
> Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the
> latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a
> bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on
> his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
> And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The
> military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
> Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for
> seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's
> negatives.
> If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance.
> And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
> Carry on, LB!
>
> k.w.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LONESTYLE
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>
> Oh Karen me  too!
>
> Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought
> us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc.
>
> But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon
> for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off
> the hook with inflation it is pitiful!
>
> McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a
> wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I
> think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is
> too much of a hot head.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> ~LB
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  4 19:10:29 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:10:29 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man"
 wearing	Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass
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Someone pointed to an interview Vice did with Penny Rimbaud, which ups 
the possibility they knew it was him.

Or the person who wrote the photo captions might have been an entirely 
different person than the interviewer of Penny, different "department" 
or what have you, and just filled the comment in and really didn't know 
who it was. Who knows?

MISHKA NYC fashion frim have designed a pricey t shirt ($31 USD) with a 
Minor Threat logo on it, in news more related to Microsoft's announced 
line of Joy Division mp3 players (!!!). I think people like to fuck with 
Ian MacKaye/Dischord now because they know, a la the Nike shoes 
incident, they can get press out of it.

The Microsoft Joy Division mp3 player and the altered Minor Threat 
fashion t-shirt are both here:

http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=353

-Oliver


Leigh Newton wrote:
> I'd be willing to bet they knew that it was him. I can't imagine not one person on the writing staff wouldn't clue in, especially since the head honchos of that mag are pushing 40. Not a bunch of young punks. Vice can get a little fucking annoying in their giving an instant 10 star album review to anything that comes out on Southern Lord and any dead rapper and whatnot. They're also pretty sharp and I've read more than a few fascinating articles. Plus, the Dos and Don'ts are great. What's more funny than making fun of people?
>
>  http://www.nightruiner.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
>
>
>
>   


From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:10:16 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:10:16 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <006901c8c668$f0f2c6c0$4601010a@edweil>
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Those were individuals. They are all despised by 
most people from either spectrum.
William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, are all celebrities among the left.

There is a HUUUUGEEEEEE difference.

Therefor, not much to think about.

Best Wishes,
Me

At 01:32 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>Hey, Exorcist:
>
>Timothy McVey? Eric Rudolph? Numerous abortion clinic bombers?
>It's not just hate-filled lefties. Anyone who 
>uses violence to prove a point is despicable -- 
>right, left, center, up, down, whatever.
>Just think about it, OK?
>
>k.w.
>San Diego
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about 
>all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>You're getting your facts mixed up. It's the 
>lefties that enjoy bombing and killing.
>William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, etc...
>
>At 11:29 AM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
>>One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite 
>>possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
>>Now that would be a media circus.
>>
>>
>>----------
>>From: <mailto:gregslawson at msn.com>gregslawson at msn.com
>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
>>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>>If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job 
>>hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking 
>>out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to 
>>his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although 
>>I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
>>
>>
>>
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>to the society and winners take away from it. 
>Being a winner is unethical, while
>a society of losers is happy and striving as a 
>collective. In the spirit of diversity,
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else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:14:13 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:14:13 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Obnoxious? Why?

Because people voted for someone who did not deserve his position?
Someone who has nothing under his belt and nothing to show?

I'm simply stating a fact. If you find a fact obnoxious, well I'm 
sorry about that.
Don't worry about back and forth I don't delve into topics much. I 
state my opinion
and move on. However It's nice to see the amount of tolerance you have towards
others who have different opinions.

Cheers,
Me

At 01:34 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>Um, I really don't wish to start a back-and-forth here, but you're 
>really starting to sound irrational and obnoxious.
>With all due respect, I'd suggest you go to Free Republic.com.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing 
>Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:06 AM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, 
>Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
>We need a president who is well suited for the job.
>
>This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not 
>what the presidency is all about.
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
>>I am glad he won!
>>
>>It is about time we had a black president.
>>
>>Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
>>
>>~ LB
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
>>Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.
>>
>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247
>>Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
>>of, well several evils.
>>
>>
>>
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>contribute
>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
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to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
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From angrytomhanks at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  4 19:14:32 2008
From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com (Leigh Newton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing
	Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass
Message-ID: <273973.84428.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Actually, after re-reading the caption under the picture, I'd have to say it's pretty obvious they know who it is.

 http://www.nightruiner.com
http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
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----- Original Message ----
From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 5:32:36 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass

Bolly if that's the later that's GOLD, you should see if you can get in
touch with the 'tards behind the website, strike up a conversation that
proves they honestly aren't aware of who that is, then let them in on it,
and blog the whole thing. And then send them an email once every three
months with 1500 lines of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (and ridicule them by
phone as well)

:)

> Wow, this is hilarious. Vice is snarking n some old gy for wearing a
> Crass jacket. They do not seem to realize they are snarking on the
> fonding member, drummer, and lyricist of Crass himself, Penny Rimbaud,
> who they obviously don't recognize.
>
>
> http://www.viceland.com/int/dd.php?id=571
>
> Unbelievable.
>
> Is Vice taking the piss or are they this moronic? From all I've heard
> I'm inclined to think the latter.
>
> -Oliver
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From lonestyle at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 19:16:20 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 16:16:20 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Yes, NZ is a beautiful country, I just may take you up on that one of these moons. ;)

~ LB



In a message dated 06/04/08 16:09:28 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
Try closer to the south, come and live in NZ, 4 million people in a 
country the size of the UK, nowhere near anything else, in a decade or two 
we'll have 90% renewable energy, plenty of water, 20 times as much food as 
we need, cup winning hash, bliss! 

(Don't worry that house prices are more expensive than the US, incomes 
lower, our politicians are just as fucked as everyone else's and our 
'clean green' image is entirely undeserved and only a by-product of a very 
low population density and a naturally beautiful landscape...and our meth 
problem is amongst the worst in the developed world) 


> Karen, 
> 
> Thank you. :) 
> 
> Let's just hope that things will change soon because The North Pole is 
> looking good about now. ;) 
> 
> ~ LB 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 06/04/08 11:39:39 Pacific Daylight Time, 
> karen.weil at sddt.com writes: 
> LB: 
> 
> Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the 
> latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a 
> bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on 
> his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000. 
> And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The 
> military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either. 
> Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for 
> seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's 
> negatives. 
> If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
> And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; ) 
> Carry on, LB! 
> 
> k.w. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: LONESTYLE 
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM 
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama 
> 
> 
> Oh Karen me  too! 
> 
> Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought 
> us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc. 
> 
> But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon 
> for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off 
> the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 
> 
> McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a 
> wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I 
> think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is 
> too much of a hot head. 
> 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> ~LB 
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Wed Jun  4 19:17:19 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:17:19 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <003601c8c695$3ce18ae0$4601010a@edweil>
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You're both right, however none of the US collusion in terms of Saddam
changes the fact that he was a genocidal loonbag, which is Mik's point and
it's a valid one.

It's just shameful that the 'States had anything to do with aiding him,
the subsequent demonising was just hypocritical and opportunistic. An
enemy was needed to justify US presence in that region. (IMO, I'm not
writing a book about this stuff or anything ;).

> You got it, Oliver. Also, here's another little thing the mainstream media
> fails to mention: Saddam went into Kuwait in 1990 because, essentially,
> our
> government told him he could.
> Sorry, Mik, but this country was happy to look the other way while Saddam
> killed his own people, because he was "our SOB" during the 1980s.
> And none of that will ever justify the invasion of Iraq.
>
> kw.
> San Diego
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>
>> When he was massacring his own people, a lot of that was done with US
>> support. Also, the targets of one of his pogroms were the Kurds, whose
>> plight the US really played up in the lead-up to Gulf War 1. The Kurds
>> are
>> also being massacred by US ally Turkey, which has US air bases in its
>> southeast. We should overthrow them, too, no?
>>
>> -Oliver
>>
>>
>> Mik Raven wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot
>>> who was quite happy to massacre his own people?
>>>
>>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:18:04 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:18:04 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c8c66a$7674ac90$4601010a@edweil>
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Taking out a psychotic regime with weapons of mass destruction IS in 
the public's best interest.
You recall what Israel did to Iraq quite a few years ago??? Today, 
everyone is glad they did it.

The intelligence was a joke, the information pathetic and yes there 
were massive fuckups and heads
should hang for that. However, that's not the point. If the 
statements that were made about Iraq WERE true it would have
been acceptable.

Cheers,
Me

At 01:43 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>Really? Isn't that essentially what we're doing in Iraq? Babysitting?
>And I hate to break this to you, but pre-emptive wars/occupations 
>are NOT in the public's best interest!
>
>k.w.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing 
>Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.
>Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people.
>It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you.
>The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.
>
>
>
>At 11:24 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>>It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. 
>>With Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the 
>>industrialized world and have universal health coverage. McCain 
>>wants to privatize it EVEN MORE than it is. Also, the two do have 
>>substantial differences over Iraq.
>>
>>Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.
>>
>>The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death 
>>penalty, privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 
>>million uninsured, allowing private bounty hunters to collect on 
>>bail (I recently learned this was another unique, Wild West-style 
>>Americanism that few other countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo 
>>can go take a class for several weeks and then get certified to 
>>become a bounty hunter and legally enter peoples' homes, stun them, 
>>apprehend them, take them into prison if they miss bail payments).
>>
>>Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the 
>>US an iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time 
>>last year. Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type 
>>threats, as in making them less likely.
>>
>>I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even 
>>McCain would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be 
>>several shades even better than that.
>>
>>-Oliver
>>
>>
>>
>>T.B. wrote:
>>>IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama 
>>>and McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of 
>>>negatives and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a 
>>>snake oil salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide 
>>>eyed people but he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.
>>>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:21:41 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:21:41 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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You agree with me then. My point is that I care not about race or 
religion. I care about having someone capable
in the office. We might disagree on who that is and have our 
differences on the issues. But as long as that is
your criteria it's ok. When one votes based on simply "bucking the 
trend" to make some sort of statement, that's
damn well wrong.

Cheers,
Me

At 02:00 PM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
>Serious what is that suppose to mean? A black, white, Jewish, 
>Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian, etc ? I mean color  or religion 
>may not be the issue here?
>
>
>I do not vote because of their color or religion, I vote of what I 
>see, hear, read and if that person or persons is going to make a 
>good president or not. I really do not want any of them getting red 
>button happy.
>
>~ LB
>
>
>
>In a message dated 06/04/08 06:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:
>We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, 
>Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
>We need a president who is well suited for the job.
>
>This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not 
>what the presidency is all about.
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
>>I am glad he won!
>>
>>It is about time we had a black president.
>>
>>Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
>>
>>~ LB
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
>>Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.
>>
>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247
>>Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
>>of, well several evils.
>>
>>
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 19:26:49 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:26:49 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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OK, Me, but it WASN'T true.
And this government happily funded that "psychotic regime" for a decade. And if Saddam had any WMD's, it probably because the U.S. paid for them in the 1980s.
Let's agree to disagree here -- nothing you write will ever convince me going into Iraq was right.
And forgive me, sir, but if you believe so deeply in this cause, why aren't you over there?
(If you actually have served over there, fine, but that doesn't advance your argument 
I'm done now, and really don't care to discuss this any further with you. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.
Have a good week, and take care.

k.w.
San Diego
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Taking out a psychotic regime with weapons of mass destruction IS in the public's best interest.
  You recall what Israel did to Iraq quite a few years ago??? Today, everyone is glad they did it.

  The intelligence was a joke, the information pathetic and yes there were massive fuckups and heads
  should hang for that. However, that's not the point. If the statements that were made about Iraq WERE true it would have
  been acceptable.

  Cheers,
  Me

  At 01:43 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

    Really? Isn't that essentially what we're doing in Iraq? Babysitting? 
    And I hate to break this to you, but pre-emptive wars/occupations are NOT in the public's best interest!
     
    k.w.
     

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: The Exorcist 

      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

      Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:16 PM

      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.

      Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people.

      It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you. 

      The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.




      At 11:24 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

        It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. With Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the industrialized world and have universal health coverage. McCain wants to privatize it EVEN MORE than it is. Also, the two do have substantial differences over Iraq.


        Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.


        The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death penalty, privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 million uninsured, allowing private bounty hunters to collect on bail (I recently learned this was another unique, Wild West-style Americanism that few other countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo can go take a class for several weeks and then get certified to become a bounty hunter and legally enter peoples' homes, stun them, apprehend them, take them into prison if they miss bail payments).


        Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the US an iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time last year. Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type threats, as in making them less likely.


        I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even McCain would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be several shades even better than that.


        -Oliver




        T.B. wrote:

          IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.




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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:31:08 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:31:08 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Yes I know who they are and what they were 
called. Yet Obama needed to cosy up to them to get where he is today.
So the party that strongly condemns them is 
putting forth a candidate who associated with them. Ironic.

Mind you I did not bring them in here to discuss 
party politics. I simply pointed out that the 
lefty's have then same kooks as everyone else in
response to the right wing assassin theory. When 
one wants to point out right wing fucknuts it's 
ok. But if you go after lefty radicals,
Lord have mercy on your soul!

Cheers,
Me

At 02:37 PM 6/4/2008, GREG SLAWSON wrote:
>Exorcist, the "lefties" that do the bombing were 
>a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the old 
>anti-Vietnam War movement. Calling themselves 
>the "Weathermen" they were a handful of spoiled 
>rich kids who know nothing about organizing a 
>real anti-war movement. The party I belong to 
>has always strongly condemmed them (we were the 
>ones trying to bring the anti-war movement out 
>of the colleges into the working class), as of 
>course everyone else. It's ironic that a huge 
>amount of attention is wasted on those assholes 
>(recent books, movies, articles) instead of the 
>100,000 or so other students that were doing 
>something positive against the Vietnam War. In 
>fact most of these pseudo-terrorist groups are 
>tiny compared to the rest of the left. It's no 
>accident that the rightwing media harps on them 
>endlesslly, to convince poeple like you that 
>they represent the whole left. It's like saying 
>that all rightwingers are in the KKK--do you believe that to?
>
>
>----------
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:50:25 -0400
>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>You're getting your facts mixed up. It's the 
>lefties that enjoy bombing and killing.
>William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, etc...
>
>At 11:29 AM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
>One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite 
>possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
>Now that would be a media circus.
>
>
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>To: gathering at misera.net
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job 
>hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking 
>out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to 
>his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although 
>I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
>
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 19:28:38 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:28:38 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Point taken. Yes, Saddam was a bad, bad dude. And if this country is truly 
is devoted to helping oppressed peoples, then we really should be in 
Zimbabwe...

Ciao bella,

k.w.
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From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


> You're both right, however none of the US collusion in terms of Saddam
> changes the fact that he was a genocidal loonbag, which is Mik's point and
> it's a valid one.
>
> It's just shameful that the 'States had anything to do with aiding him,
> the subsequent demonising was just hypocritical and opportunistic. An
> enemy was needed to justify US presence in that region. (IMO, I'm not
> writing a book about this stuff or anything ;).
>
>> You got it, Oliver. Also, here's another little thing the mainstream 
>> media
>> fails to mention: Saddam went into Kuwait in 1990 because, essentially,
>> our
>> government told him he could.
>> Sorry, Mik, but this country was happy to look the other way while Saddam
>> killed his own people, because he was "our SOB" during the 1980s.
>> And none of that will ever justify the invasion of Iraq.
>>
>> kw.
>> San Diego
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>>
>>
>>> When he was massacring his own people, a lot of that was done with US
>>> support. Also, the targets of one of his pogroms were the Kurds, whose
>>> plight the US really played up in the lead-up to Gulf War 1. The Kurds
>>> are
>>> also being massacred by US ally Turkey, which has US air bases in its
>>> southeast. We should overthrow them, too, no?
>>>
>>> -Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>> Mik Raven wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot
>>>> who was quite happy to massacre his own people?
>>>>
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 19:30:01 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:30:01 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Uh, no, the others were indeed motivated by a political ideology. 
I don't care if you think about it or not, frankly.

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Those were individuals. They are all despised by most people from either spectrum.
  William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, are all celebrities among the left.

  There is a HUUUUGEEEEEE difference.

  Therefor, not much to think about.

  Best Wishes,
  Me

  At 01:32 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

    Hey, Exorcist:
     
    Timothy McVey? Eric Rudolph? Numerous abortion clinic bombers? 
    It's not just hate-filled lefties. Anyone who uses violence to prove a point is despicable -- right, left, center, up, down, whatever.
    Just think about it, OK?
     
    k.w.
    San Diego
     

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: The Exorcist 

      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

      Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:50 AM

      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      You're getting your facts mixed up. It's the lefties that enjoy bombing and killing.

      William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, etc... 


      At 11:29 AM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:

        One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.

        Now that would be a media circus.


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          To: gathering at misera.net 
          Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400 
          Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

          If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...




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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:36:09 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:36:09 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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I resent that!

Futurama is an awesome show! :)

Cheers,
Me

At 04:49 PM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
>That is true. As long as it isn't a brain in a jar that is president. ;)
>
>The right cries too. ;P
>
>~LB
>
>
>
>In a message dated 06/04/08 13:37:04 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk writes:
>Well you say you'd prefer a black or female president - all he said 
>was that colour & sex shouldn't
>be the issues that they clearly are.
>
>Equality anyone? Why on earth is this considered 'obnoxious' or 
>whatever? Sounds like lefties crying
>racist, frankly.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 
>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
>Sent: 04 June 2008 19:00
>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>Serious what is that suppose to mean? A black, white, Jewish, 
>Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian, etc ? I mean color  or religion 
>may not be the issue here?
>
>
>I do not vote because of their color or religion, I vote of what I 
>see, hear, read and if that person or persons is going to make a 
>good president or not. I really do not want any of them getting red 
>button happy.
>
>~ LB
>
>
>
>In a message dated 06/04/08 06:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:
>We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, 
>Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
>We need a president who is well suited for the job.
>
>This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not 
>what the presidency is all about.
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
>>I am glad he won!
>>
>>It is about time we had a black president.
>>
>>Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
>>
>>~ LB
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
>>Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.
>>
>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247
>>Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
>>of, well several evils.
>>
>>
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 19:34:41 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:34:41 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Well, there's one thing I'll agree with you on, Me. Futurama is a lot of fun.

Tot ziens,

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  I resent that!

  Futurama is an awesome show! :)

  Cheers,
  Me

  At 04:49 PM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:

    That is true. As long as it isn't a brain in a jar that is president. ;)
     
    The right cries too. ;P
     
    ~LB
     
     
     
    In a message dated 06/04/08 13:37:04 Pacific Daylight Time, ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk writes:

      Well you say you'd prefer a black or female president - all he said was that colour & sex shouldn't

      be the issues that they clearly are.



      Equality anyone? Why on earth is this considered 'obnoxious' or whatever? Sounds like lefties crying

      racist, frankly.





        -----Original Message-----

        From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of LONESTYLE

        Sent: 04 June 2008 19:00

        To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

        Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


        Serious what is that suppose to mean? A black, white, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian, etc ? I mean color  or religion may not be the issue here?





        I do not vote because of their color or religion, I vote of what I see, hear, read and if that person or persons is going to make a good president or not. I really do not want any of them getting red button happy.  



        ~ LB







        In a message dated 06/04/08 06:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time, killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:

          We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...

          We need a president who is well suited for the job.


          This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not what the presidency is all about.


          Cheers,

          Me


          At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:

            I am glad he won!



            It is about time we had a black president. 



            Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)



            ~ LB







            In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes: 
              Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. 


              http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 

              Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser 
              of, well several evils. 




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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:41:34 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:41:34 -0400
Subject: [kj] [OT] The Joy Division Zune :/
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And Ian is probably turning in his grave now. :)

Cheers,
Me

At 05:31 PM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
><http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/51091-hey-look-its-the-joy-division-zune>http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/51091-hey-look-its-the-joy-division-zune
>
>Personally, I'm happy with my box set, and origional vinyl, and I 
>would rather watch the film on a screen I can see...
>
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 19:38:29 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:38:29 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Me,

That's really not fair on your part to say Obama has "cozied up" with these people. 
Yeah, the left has a lot of jerks and creeps who, in the long term, have done far more damage to their movements.
I think why people are responding to you so strongly is not you, per se, but that in the U.S., the GOP constantly harps on moral values, obeying the law and claims to hold the high moral ground on all fronts. And as we have seen, that is not the case. 
The hypocrisy is the issue (although I don't think your original argument is hypocritical at all). 

Tschuss,
k.w.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Yes I know who they are and what they were called. Yet Obama needed to cosy up to them to get where he is today.
  So the party that strongly condemns them is putting forth a candidate who associated with them. Ironic.

  Mind you I did not bring them in here to discuss party politics. I simply pointed out that the lefty's have then same kooks as everyone else in
  response to the right wing assassin theory. When one wants to point out right wing fucknuts it's ok. But if you go after lefty radicals, 
  Lord have mercy on your soul!

  Cheers,
  Me

  At 02:37 PM 6/4/2008, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

    Exorcist, the "lefties" that do the bombing were a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the old anti-Vietnam War movement. Calling themselves the "Weathermen" they were a handful of spoiled rich kids who know nothing about organizing a real anti-war movement. The party I belong to has always strongly condemmed them (we were the ones trying to bring the anti-war movement out of the colleges into the working class), as of course everyone else. It's ironic that a huge amount of attention is wasted on those assholes (recent books, movies, articles) instead of the 100,000 or so other students that were doing something positive against the Vietnam War. In fact most of these pseudo-terrorist groups are tiny compared to the rest of the left. It's no accident that the rightwing media harps on them endlesslly, to convince poeple like you that they represent the whole left. It's like saying that all rightwingers are in the KKK--do you believe that to?



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      From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

      To: gathering at misera.net

      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      You're getting your facts mixed up. It's the lefties that enjoy bombing and killing.

      William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, etc... 


      At 11:29 AM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:

        One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.

        Now that would be a media circus.


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          To: gathering at misera.net 
          Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400 
          Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

          If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...




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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:42:42 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:42:42 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Need more water for the Kool-Aid? :)

Cheers,
Me

At 05:42 PM 6/4/2008, bongo wrote:
>you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked the US???
>have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or any of the other 
>911 doco's?
>there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign darkies... it was
>your LEADERS!!!
>
>WAKE UP!
>
>YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!
>
>
>=)
>
>
>
>On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:06 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard
><bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or
> > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy
> > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
> unleashed.
> > In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man Tariq Aziz was
> > a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
> >
> > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly
> > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could restore
> > the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always asked "Why
> > did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE WANT?" When bn
> > Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what his 
> demands were.
> > These were and are readily available, translated into English, 
> and newspaper
> > printed them.
> >
> > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think
> > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands
> > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one
> > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic
> > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of
> > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when
> > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
> suppressed.
> >
> > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But Saddam
> > doing it? What an evil man.
> >
> > -Oliver
> >
> > ade wrote:
> >>
> >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
> >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
> >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. Whereas
> >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
> >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 19:43:24 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:43:24 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama - mugabe
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Plenty of minerals like copper and gold, though. Cecil thought so, too ;)
 


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Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

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Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:
You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...k.w.San Diego----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PMSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.>> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into > English, and newspaper printed them.>> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, > suppressed.>> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.>> -Oliver>> ade wrote:>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. >> Whereas>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...>>>>>> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> _______________________________________________Gathering mailing listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering



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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 19:40:06 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:40:06 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Bongo:

Sorry, but I don't buy into your theories, either. 
AND NO NEED TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!
k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Need more water for the Kool-Aid? :)

  Cheers,
  Me

  At 05:42 PM 6/4/2008, bongo wrote:

    you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked the US???
    have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or any of the other 911 doco's?
    there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign darkies... it was
    your LEADERS!!!

    WAKE UP!

    YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!


    =)



    On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:06 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard
    <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or
    > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy
    > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion unleashed.
    > In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man Tariq Aziz was
    > a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
    >
    > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly
    > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could restore
    > the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always asked "Why
    > did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE WANT?" When bn
    > Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what his demands were.
    > These were and are readily available, translated into English, and newspaper
    > printed them.
    >
    > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think
    > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands
    > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one
    > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic
    > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of
    > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when
    > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, suppressed.
    >
    > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But Saddam
    > doing it? What an evil man.
    >
    > -Oliver
    >
    > ade wrote:
    >>
    >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
    >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
    >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. Whereas
    >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
    >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
    >>
    >>
    >
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 19:40:59 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:40:59 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama - mugabe
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Yes, well give the powers that be time, and I'm sure someone will jimmy up an excuse to go in ...

k.w.
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama - mugabe


  Plenty of minerals like copper and gold, though. Cecil thought so, too ;)


   


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    Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700
    Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


    Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 

    k.w.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Mik Raven 
      To: gathering at misera.net 
      Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


            
           

            Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
           




      On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:


        You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
        started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

        k.w.
        San Diego
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
        To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
        <gathering at misera.net>
        Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
        Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


        > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
        > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
        > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
        > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
        > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
        >
        > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
        > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
        > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
        > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
        > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
        > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
        > English, and newspaper printed them.
        >
        > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
        > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
        > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
        > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
        > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
        > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
        > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
        > suppressed.
        >
        > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
        > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
        >
        > -Oliver
        >
        > ade wrote:
        >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
        >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
        >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
        >> Whereas
        >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
        >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
        >>
        >>
        >
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:46:27 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:46:27 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Naaaa, Israel is the next that needs to be wiped out. Those brutal 
brutal people.
It seems that many in the UN find plenty of stuff to go after them 
and raise their voices.
Darfur, Mugwaba and other regions/dictators can wait.

Besides, HBO first needs to make "Recount II: the Mugwaba story".

Cheers,
Me

At 06:11 PM 6/4/2008, Mik Raven wrote:

>Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal 
>despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the 
>world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are 
>other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the 
>ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
>
>
>
>
>On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:
>
>You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me
>started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...
>
>k.w.
>San Diego
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
><gathering at misera.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>
> > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or
> > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy
> > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion
> > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man
> > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
> >
> > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly
> > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could
> > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always
> > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE
> > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what
> > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into
> > English, and newspaper printed them.
> >
> > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think
> > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands
> > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one
> > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic
> > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of
> > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when
> > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others,
> > suppressed.
> >
> > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But
> > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
> >
> > -Oliver
> >
> > ade wrote:
> >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
> >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
> >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising.
> >> Whereas
> >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
> >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
> >>
> >>
> >
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From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:44:29 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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BTW: It's Mugabe, not Mugwaba. 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk ; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Naaaa, Israel is the next that needs to be wiped out. Those brutal brutal people.
  It seems that many in the UN find plenty of stuff to go after them and raise their voices.
  Darfur, Mugwaba and other regions/dictators can wait. 

  Besides, HBO first needs to make "Recount II: the Mugwaba story".

  Cheers,
  Me

  At 06:11 PM 6/4/2008, Mik Raven wrote:


    Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.




    On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:


      You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 

      started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...


      k.w.

      San Diego

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

      To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

      <gathering at misera.net>

      Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM

      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama



      > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 

      > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 

      > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 

      > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 

      > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.

      >

      > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 

      > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 

      > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 

      > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 

      > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 

      > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 

      > English, and newspaper printed them.

      >

      > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 

      > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 

      > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 

      > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 

      > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 

      > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 

      > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 

      > suppressed.

      >

      > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 

      > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.

      >

      > -Oliver

      >

      > ade wrote:

      >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,

      >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to

      >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 

      >> Whereas

      >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist

      >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...

      >>

      >>

      >

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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 19:53:29 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:53:29 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama...
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 19:57:50 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:57:50 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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You're missing the entire point. Oh Well.

You ask me if I was there or not, to make a point. (Good one! Though 
it doesn't matter if I had signed up or not
to you.) and then go on to say that even if I was there it wouldn't 
advance the argument. *scratches head*
Well then, if it has nothing to do with the argument why even bring 
it up? To try to get a nice "gotcha" moment?
Well then, fine by me. I've always agreed to disagree with people and 
I don't try to convince anyone.

As I said before, I state my opinions and move on. However at least I 
won't go around calling people obnoxious for saying
things I don't agree with.

Freedom of speech and tolerance of others and their opinions must be 
a vast right wing conspiracy!

Best Wishes,
Me

At 07:26 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>OK, Me, but it WASN'T true.
>And this government happily funded that "psychotic regime" for a 
>decade. And if Saddam had any WMD's, it probably because the U.S. 
>paid for them in the 1980s.
>Let's agree to disagree here -- nothing you write will ever convince 
>me going into Iraq was right.
>And forgive me, sir, but if you believe so deeply in this cause, why 
>aren't you over there?
>(If you actually have served over there, fine, but that doesn't 
>advance your argument
>I'm done now, and really don't care to discuss this any further with 
>you. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.
>Have a good week, and take care.
>
>k.w.
>San Diego
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>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing 
>Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>Taking out a psychotic regime with weapons of mass destruction IS in 
>the public's best interest.
>You recall what Israel did to Iraq quite a few years ago??? Today, 
>everyone is glad they did it.
>
>The intelligence was a joke, the information pathetic and yes there 
>were massive fuckups and heads
>should hang for that. However, that's not the point. If the 
>statements that were made about Iraq WERE true it would have
>been acceptable.
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>At 01:43 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>>Really? Isn't that essentially what we're doing in Iraq? Babysitting?
>>And I hate to break this to you, but pre-emptive wars/occupations 
>>are NOT in the public's best interest!
>>
>>k.w.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing 
>>Joke (the band!)
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>>
>>YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.
>>Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people.
>>It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you.
>>The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.
>>
>>
>>At 11:24 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>>>It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the 
>>>lesser. With Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the 
>>>industrialized world and have universal health coverage. McCain 
>>>wants to privatize it EVEN MORE than it is. Also, the two do have 
>>>substantial differences over Iraq.
>>>Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.
>>>The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death 
>>>penalty, privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 
>>>million uninsured, allowing private bounty hunters to collect on 
>>>bail (I recently learned this was another unique, Wild West-style 
>>>Americanism that few other countries utilize -- in the US any 
>>>yahoo can go take a class for several weeks and then get certified 
>>>to become a bounty hunter and legally enter peoples' homes, stun 
>>>them, apprehend them, take them into prison if they miss bail payments).
>>>Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the 
>>>US an iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time 
>>>last year. Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type 
>>>threats, as in making them less likely.
>>>
>>>I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even 
>>>McCain would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be 
>>>several shades even better than that.
>>>-Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>T.B. wrote:
>>>>IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama 
>>>>and McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of 
>>>>negatives and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a 
>>>>snake oil salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide 
>>>>eyed people but he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.
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>>unethical, while
>>a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
>>spirit of diversity,
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>>Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical 
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>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
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>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers 
>contribute
>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
>unethical, while
>a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 20:00:46 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:00:46 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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We're not discussing Ideology here. We're discussing how the people are
looked at and dealt with in the great spectrum.

No one went to hear Tim McV give speeches.. William Ayres? Well you can
find out for yourself.

Cheers,
Me

At 07:30 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>Uh, no, the others were indeed motivated by a political ideology.
>I don't care if you think about it or not, frankly.
>
>k.w.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about 
>all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>Those were individuals. They are all despised by 
>most people from either spectrum.
>William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, are all celebrities among the left.
>
>There is a HUUUUGEEEEEE difference.
>
>Therefor, not much to think about.
>
>Best Wishes,
>Me
>
>At 01:32 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>>Hey, Exorcist:
>>
>>Timothy McVey? Eric Rudolph? Numerous abortion clinic bombers?
>>It's not just hate-filled lefties. Anyone who 
>>uses violence to prove a point is despicable -- 
>>right, left, center, up, down, whatever.
>>Just think about it, OK?
>>
>>k.w.
>>San Diego
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about 
>>all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:50 AM
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>>You're getting your facts mixed up. It's the 
>>lefties that enjoy bombing and killing.
>>William Ayers, Susan Rosenberg, ELF, etc...
>>At 11:29 AM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
>>>One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite 
>>>possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
>>>Now that would be a media circus.
>>>
>>>
>>>----------
>>>From: <mailto:gregslawson at msn.com>gregslawson at msn.com
>>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
>>>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>>>If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job 
>>>hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking 
>>>out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to 
>>>his name? I agree it shouldn't matter 
>>>(although I'd prefer an atheist president, or 
>>>atheist anyone for that matter)...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual 
>>that reeks of social Darwinism.
>>We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
>>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's 
>>loss. Therefore, losers contribute
>>to the society and winners take away from it. 
>>Being a winner is unethical, while
>>a society of losers is happy and striving as a 
>>collective. In the spirit of diversity,
>>inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>>Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book 
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>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
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>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's 
>loss. Therefore, losers contribute
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>Being a winner is unethical, while
>a society of losers is happy and striving as a 
>collective. In the spirit of diversity,
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 20:03:19 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:03:19 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Well at least we can finally agree to agree on something (and wait 
for the movie to come out).
Does this mean that hell has frozen over or that we can actually get along? :)

Best Wishes,
Me

At 07:34 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>Well, there's one thing I'll agree with you on, Me. Futurama is a lot of fun.
>
>Tot ziens,
>
>k.w.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing 
>Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>I resent that!
>
>Futurama is an awesome show! :)
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>At 04:49 PM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
>>That is true. As long as it isn't a brain in a jar that is president. ;)
>>
>>The right cries too. ;P
>>
>>~LB
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 06/04/08 13:37:04 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>><mailto:ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk writes:
>>Well you say you'd prefer a black or female president - all he said 
>>was that colour & sex shouldn't
>>be the issues that they clearly are.
>>
>>Equality anyone? Why on earth is this considered 'obnoxious' or 
>>whatever? Sounds like lefties crying
>>racist, frankly.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 
>>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of LONESTYLE
>>Sent: 04 June 2008 19:00
>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>>
>>Serious what is that suppose to mean? A black, white, Jewish, 
>>Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian, etc ? I mean color  or 
>>religion may not be the issue here?
>>
>>
>>I do not vote because of their color or religion, I vote of what I 
>>see, hear, read and if that person or persons is going to make a 
>>good president or not. I really do not want any of them getting red 
>>button happy.
>>
>>~ LB
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 06/04/08 06:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:
>>We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, 
>>Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc...
>>We need a president who is well suited for the job.
>>This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not 
>>what the presidency is all about.
>>Cheers,
>>Me
>>At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
>>>I am glad he won!
>>>
>>>It is about time we had a black president.
>>>
>>>Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)
>>>
>>>~ LB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, 
>>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
>>>Apparently he's won the democratic nomination.
>>>
>>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247
>>>Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser
>>>of, well several evils.
>>>
>>>
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>>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social 
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>>We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
>>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, 
>>losers contribute
>>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
>>unethical, while
>>a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
>>spirit of diversity,
>>inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>>Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical 
>>team player.
>>
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>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
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>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers 
>contribute
>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
>unethical, while
>a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
>spirit of diversity,
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>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 20:07:42 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:07:42 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Forgive me for a quick cut and paste from mik's Email.
I'll be sure to speak to the editors about this (and Mik as well! 
*Raising Fist*).
My response time is limited and I need to head out soon as well if 
that gives me
any brownie points amongst the spelling illuminati.

(I'd still make the same mistake if I wasn't in a rush. But alas, it 
sounded like a nice excuse.)

Cheers,
Me

At 07:44 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>BTW: It's Mugabe, not Mugwaba.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>To: <mailto:mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk>mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk ; 
><mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>Naaaa, Israel is the next that needs to be wiped out. Those brutal 
>brutal people.
>It seems that many in the UN find plenty of stuff to go after them 
>and raise their voices.
>Darfur, Mugwaba and other regions/dictators can wait.
>
>Besides, HBO first needs to make "Recount II: the Mugwaba story".
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>At 06:11 PM 6/4/2008, Mik Raven wrote:
>
>>Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal 
>>despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the 
>>world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are 
>>other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the 
>>ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:
>>
>>You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me
>>started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...
>>
>>k.w.
>>San Diego
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>>
>>
>> > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or
>> > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy
>> > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion
>> > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man
>> > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
>> >
>> > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly
>> > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could
>> > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always
>> > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE
>> > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after 
>> message what
>> > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into
>> > English, and newspaper printed them.
>> >
>> > People in the US apparently did read them, because they 
>> preferred to think
>> > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 
>> 3 demands
>> > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so 
>> that's one
>> > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration 
>> of Islamic
>> > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one 
>> out of 3 of
>> > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than 
>> he was when
>> > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others,
>> > suppressed.
>> >
>> > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But
>> > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
>> >
>> > -Oliver
>> >
>> > ade wrote:
>> >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
>> >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much 
>> nearer to
>> >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising.
>> >> Whereas
>> >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
>> >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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>contribute
>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
>unethical, while
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 20:04:24 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:04:24 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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I don't know you, whether we "get along is irrelevant."
However, you have good taste -- and that wins brownie points in my book!

k.w.
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:03 PM
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  Well at least we can finally agree to agree on something (and wait for the movie to come out).
  Does this mean that hell has frozen over or that we can actually get along? :)

  Best Wishes,
  Me

  At 07:34 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

    Well, there's one thing I'll agree with you on, Me. Futurama is a lot of fun.
     
    Tot ziens,
     
    k.w.

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: The Exorcist 

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      Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:36 PM

      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      I resent that!


      Futurama is an awesome show! :)


      Cheers,

      Me


      At 04:49 PM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:

        That is true. As long as it isn't a brain in a jar that is president. ;)



        The right cries too. ;P



        ~LB







        In a message dated 06/04/08 13:37:04 Pacific Daylight Time, ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk writes: 
          Well you say you'd prefer a black or female president - all he said was that colour & sex shouldn't 
          be the issues that they clearly are.

           
          Equality anyone? Why on earth is this considered 'obnoxious' or whatever? Sounds like lefties crying 
          racist, frankly.

           


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            Sent: 04 June 2008 19:00 
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            Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


            Serious what is that suppose to mean? A black, white, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian, etc ? I mean color  or religion may not be the issue here? 
             

             
            I do not vote because of their color or religion, I vote of what I see, hear, read and if that person or persons is going to make a good president or not. I really do not want any of them getting red button happy.  
             
            ~ LB 
             

             

             
            In a message dated 06/04/08 06:30:15 Pacific Daylight Time, killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes: 
              We don't need a black president. Or a white one, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mexican, Martian etc... 
              We need a president who is well suited for the job.

              This Obama election is one big affirmative action vote. That's not what the presidency is all about.

              Cheers, 
              Me

              At 01:37 AM 6/4/2008, LONESTYLE wrote:
                I am glad he won!

                 
                It is about time we had a black president. 

                 
                Or a woman would be nice too, but not Mrs. Clinton. ;)

                 
                ~ LB

                 

                 

                 
                In a message dated 06/03/08 17:46:06 Pacific Daylight Time, bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes: 
                  Apparently he's won the democratic nomination. 


                  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10514247 
                  Don't know enough about him but from the little I do he seems the lesser 
                  of, well several evils. 



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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Wed Jun  4 20:09:36 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:09:36 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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HEY WE'RE EMAILING FROM A LONG WAY AWAY!

TSCH?SSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;p

> Bongo:
>
> Sorry, but I don't buy into your theories, either.
> AND NO NEED TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!
> k.w.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: The Exorcist
>   To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:42 PM
>   Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>
>   Need more water for the Kool-Aid? :)
>
>   Cheers,
>   Me
>
>   At 05:42 PM 6/4/2008, bongo wrote:
>
>     you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked the US???
>     have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or any of the other
> 911 doco's?
>     there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign darkies... it was
>     your LEADERS!!!
>
>     WAKE UP!
>
>     YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!
>
>
>     =)
>
>
>
>     On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:06 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard
>     <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>     > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot
> or
>     > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy
>     > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion
> unleashed.
>     > In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man Tariq
> Aziz was
>     > a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
>     >
>     > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the
> ungodly
>     > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could
> restore
>     > the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always asked
> "Why
>     > did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE WANT?"
> When bn
>     > Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what his
> demands were.
>     > These were and are readily available, translated into English, and
> newspaper
>     > printed them.
>     >
>     > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to
> think
>     > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3
> demands
>     > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so
> that's one
>     > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of
> Islamic
>     > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of
> 3 of
>     > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he
> was when
>     > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others,
> suppressed.
>     >
>     > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But
> Saddam
>     > doing it? What an evil man.
>     >
>     > -Oliver
>     >
>     > ade wrote:
>     >>
>     >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest,
> bombings,
>     >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much
> nearer to
>     >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising.
> Whereas
>     >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened
> Islamist
>     >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
>     >>
>     >>
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> contribute
>   to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> unethical, while
>   a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the spirit
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 20:10:30 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:10:30 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama - education
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Mr Me. As someone who works within US academia, an observation of mine would be that an American's education is greatly dependent on how affluent their family is, but yes, as you said, it is a capitalist society. This  'condition' is not limited to just the states, however. Scholarships are NOT that abundant, either.  Many lower income children enter the army after school, just to gain 'skills'. So you have immensely educated people, as well as incredibly 'under-educated' people, with a huge gap inbetween.
 


Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:45:51 -0400From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats ObamaThe US does a damned fine job for it's people. Regarding public education, the amount of money spent iscrazy. It's just sad that the money given to the educators is wasted on shit like "taking kids to the groceryto learn how to shop and interact with shopkeeps and shop workers". When the US has tough tests youhave the liberal loons crying and bitching that "the tests are to hard for the kids, we need to make it easier".The poorly educated Americans are not due to a lack of effort. It's due to misguided individuals who fuckeverything up. (Oh yes, and also editing or removing Mark twain books because some things are "offensive")Making college tests easier and allowing ppl. with lower scores access just for the sake of it... is pathetic. 
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 20:10:27 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:10:27 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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No, I didn't miss the entire point at all, sir. 
Hope you read my other e-mail, too. 
And don't equate freedom of speech or tolerance with "vast right-wing conspiracy."  The first two have nothing to do with the right-wing, left-wing, etc. 
And I'm sorry, but often the people who cheer on this disaster the loudest are usually the ones who never served in the military. I haven't, either, so maybe that's why I don't think it's cool to go blow the hell out of every other country just because it's not doing our bidding. Perhaps I was hasty calling you obnoxious. 
I'm done, I really am.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  You're missing the entire point. Oh Well.

  You ask me if I was there or not, to make a point. (Good one! Though it doesn't matter if I had signed up or not
  to you.) and then go on to say that even if I was there it wouldn't advance the argument. *scratches head*
  Well then, if it has nothing to do with the argument why even bring it up? To try to get a nice "gotcha" moment?
  Well then, fine by me. I've always agreed to disagree with people and I don't try to convince anyone. 

  As I said before, I state my opinions and move on. However at least I won't go around calling people obnoxious for saying
  things I don't agree with.

  Freedom of speech and tolerance of others and their opinions must be a vast right wing conspiracy!

  Best Wishes,
  Me

  At 07:26 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

    OK, Me, but it WASN'T true.
    And this government happily funded that "psychotic regime" for a decade. And if Saddam had any WMD's, it probably because the U.S. paid for them in the 1980s.
    Let's agree to disagree here -- nothing you write will ever convince me going into Iraq was right.
    And forgive me, sir, but if you believe so deeply in this cause, why aren't you over there?
    (If you actually have served over there, fine, but that doesn't advance your argument 
    I'm done now, and really don't care to discuss this any further with you. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.
    Have a good week, and take care.
     
    k.w.
    San Diego

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: The Exorcist 

      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

      Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:18 PM

      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      Taking out a psychotic regime with weapons of mass destruction IS in the public's best interest.

      You recall what Israel did to Iraq quite a few years ago??? Today, everyone is glad they did it.


      The intelligence was a joke, the information pathetic and yes there were massive fuckups and heads

      should hang for that. However, that's not the point. If the statements that were made about Iraq WERE true it would have

      been acceptable.


      Cheers,

      Me


      At 01:43 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

        Really? Isn't that essentially what we're doing in Iraq? Babysitting? 

        And I hate to break this to you, but pre-emptive wars/occupations are NOT in the public's best interest!



        k.w.

          
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: The Exorcist 
          To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
          Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:16 PM 
          Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


          YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else. 
          Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people. 
          It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you. 
          The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.



          At 11:24 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
            It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. With Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the industrialized world and have universal health coverage. McCain wants to privatize it EVEN MORE than it is. Also, the two do have substantial differences over Iraq.

            Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.

            The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death penalty, privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 million uninsured, allowing private bounty hunters to collect on bail (I recently learned this was another unique, Wild West-style Americanism that few other countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo can go take a class for several weeks and then get certified to become a bounty hunter and legally enter peoples' homes, stun them, apprehend them, take them into prison if they miss bail payments).

            Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the US an iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time last year. Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type threats, as in making them less likely.


            I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even McCain would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be several shades even better than that.

            -Oliver




            T.B. wrote:
              IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.

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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 20:10:55 2008
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OK, I GET IT!

TOT ZIENS ...

K.W.
THE STATES
----- Original Message ----- 
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HEY WE'RE EMAILING FROM A LONG WAY AWAY!

TSCH?SSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;p

> Bongo:
>
> Sorry, but I don't buy into your theories, either.
> AND NO NEED TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!
> k.w.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: The Exorcist
>   To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:42 PM
>   Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>
>   Need more water for the Kool-Aid? :)
>
>   Cheers,
>   Me
>
>   At 05:42 PM 6/4/2008, bongo wrote:
>
>     you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked the US???
>     have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or any of the other
> 911 doco's?
>     there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign darkies... it was
>     your LEADERS!!!
>
>     WAKE UP!
>
>     YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!
>
>
>     =)
>
>
>
>     On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:06 AM, B. Oliver Sheppard
>     <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>     > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot
> or
>     > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy
>     > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion
> unleashed.
>     > In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man Tariq
> Aziz was
>     > a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
>     >
>     > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the
> ungodly
>     > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could
> restore
>     > the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always asked
> "Why
>     > did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE WANT?"
> When bn
>     > Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what his
> demands were.
>     > These were and are readily available, translated into English, and
> newspaper
>     > printed them.
>     >
>     > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to
> think
>     > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3
> demands
>     > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so
> that's one
>     > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of
> Islamic
>     > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of
> 3 of
>     > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he
> was when
>     > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others,
> suppressed.
>     >
>     > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But
> Saddam
>     > doing it? What an evil man.
>     >
>     > -Oliver
>     >
>     > ade wrote:
>     >>
>     >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest,
> bombings,
>     >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much
> nearer to
>     >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising.
> Whereas
>     >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened
> Islamist
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Wed Jun  4 20:13:59 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:13:59 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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No worries. Gotta love that cut and paste! ; )
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  Forgive me for a quick cut and paste from mik's Email.
  I'll be sure to speak to the editors about this (and Mik as well! *Raising Fist*).
  My response time is limited and I need to head out soon as well if that gives me
  any brownie points amongst the spelling illuminati.

  (I'd still make the same mistake if I wasn't in a rush. But alas, it sounded like a nice excuse.)

  Cheers,
  Me

  At 07:44 PM 6/4/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

    BTW: It's Mugabe, not Mugwaba. 
     
     

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: The Exorcist 

      To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk ; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

      Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:46 PM

      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      Naaaa, Israel is the next that needs to be wiped out. Those brutal brutal people.

      It seems that many in the UN find plenty of stuff to go after them and raise their voices.

      Darfur, Mugwaba and other regions/dictators can wait. 


      Besides, HBO first needs to make "Recount II: the Mugwaba story".


      Cheers,

      Me


      At 06:11 PM 6/4/2008, Mik Raven wrote:


        Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.





        On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:


          You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
          started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...


          k.w. 
          San Diego 
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> 
          To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
          <gathering at misera.net> 
          Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM 
          Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama



          > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
          > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
          > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
          > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
          > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim. 
          > 
          > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
          > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
          > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
          > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
          > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
          > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
          > English, and newspaper printed them. 
          > 
          > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
          > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
          > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
          > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
          > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
          > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
          > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
          > suppressed. 
          > 
          > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
          > Saddam doing it? What an evil man. 
          > 
          > -Oliver 
          > 
          > ade wrote: 
          >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings, 
          >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to 
          >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
          >> Whereas 
          >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist 
          >> nutfucks. We've trained them up... 
          >> 
          >> 
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Wed Jun  4 20:21:01 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:21:01 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama - education
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You have valid points and I'll go into more 
detail later (I got basketball in 30 minutes).

Let me tell you a bit about me.

My sisters and I grew up with the support of one 
parent. My Mother, who went back to college at the age of 43 to gain
a batter job after her divorce. We had no child 
support, were on welfare and frankly, not all that well to do. (Paid back
every cent of welfare we received as well). We 
live according to our means and managed to get by. Both my sisters
worked hard, went to college had jobs and worked 
their way through. We were definitely in the low income bracket and
at one point had food delivered from charities. 
But you know what... we worked hard and persevered.

Best Wishes,
Me

At 08:10 PM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
>Mr Me. As someone who works within US academia, 
>an observation of mine would be that an 
>American's education is greatly dependent on how 
>affluent their family is, but yes, as you said, 
>it is a capitalist society. This  'condition' is 
>not limited to just the states, however. 
>Scholarships are NOT that abundant, 
>either.  Many lower income children enter the 
>army after school, just to gain 'skills'. So you 
>have immensely educated people, as well as 
>incredibly 'under-educated' people, with a huge gap inbetween.
>
>
>
>----------
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:45:51 -0400
>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>The US does a damned fine job for it's people. 
>Regarding public education, the amount of money spent is
>crazy. It's just sad that the money given to the 
>educators is wasted on shit like "taking kids to the grocery
>to learn how to shop and interact with shopkeeps 
>and shop workers". When the US has tough tests you
>have the liberal loons crying and bitching that 
>"the tests are to hard for the kids, we need to make it easier".
>The poorly educated Americans are not due to a 
>lack of effort. It's due to misguided individuals who fuck
>everything up. (Oh yes, and also editing or 
>removing Mark twain books because some things are "offensive")
>Making college tests easier and allowing ppl. 
>with lower scores access just for the sake of it... is pathetic.
>
>
>
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 20:59:01 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:59:01 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama - education
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If it is not too personal, what level college and when?
I had to work 2 or 3 jobs when doing my degrees, but was lucky to also have 'some' income from music. Free music scenes don't pay that well, though. It still financially crucified me. 
You're lucky, sir.


Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:21:01 -0400From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama - educationYou have valid points and I'll go into more detail later (I got basketball in 30 minutes). Let me tell you a bit about me.My sisters and I grew up with the support of one parent. My Mother, who went back to college at the age of 43 to gaina batter job after her divorce. We had no child support, were on welfare and frankly, not all that well to do. (Paid backevery cent of welfare we received as well). We live according to our means and managed to get by. Both my sistersworked hard, went to college had jobs and worked their way through. We were definitely in the low income bracket andat one point had food delivered from charities. But you know what... we worked hard and persevered.Best Wishes,MeAt 08:10 PM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
Mr Me. As someone who works within US academia, an observation of mine would be that an American's education is greatly dependent on how affluent their family is, but yes, as you said, it is a capitalist society. This  'condition' is not limited to just the states, however. Scholarships are NOT that abundant, either.  Many lower income children enter the army after school, just to gain 'skills'. So you have immensely educated people, as well as incredibly 'under-educated' people, with a huge gap inbetween. 



Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:45:51 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
The US does a damned fine job for it's people. Regarding public education, the amount of money spent is
crazy. It's just sad that the money given to the educators is wasted on shit like "taking kids to the grocery
to learn how to shop and interact with shopkeeps and shop workers". When the US has tough tests you
have the liberal loons crying and bitching that "the tests are to hard for the kids, we need to make it easier".
The poorly educated Americans are not due to a lack of effort. It's due to misguided individuals who fuck
everything up. (Oh yes, and also editing or removing Mark twain books because some things are "offensive")
Making college tests easier and allowing ppl. with lower scores access just for the sake of it... is pathetic. 

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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  4 21:27:25 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:27:25 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing
	Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass
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Good lord this type of shit makes my blood boil

Oliver, your suspicions are correct -- I know a couple of gents  who  
worked for VICE -- they *ARE* that moronic.

Dicks.

Alex in NYC


On Jun 4, 2008, at 3:43 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

> Wow, this is hilarious. Vice is snarking n some old gy for wearing a  
> Crass jacket. They do not seem to realize they are snarking on the  
> fonding member, drummer, and lyricist of Crass himself, Penny  
> Rimbaud, who they obviously don't recognize.
>
>
> http://www.viceland.com/int/dd.php?id=571
>
> Unbelievable.
>
> Is Vice taking the piss or are they this moronic? From all I've  
> heard I'm inclined to think the latter.
>
> -Oliver
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From Devacor at aol.com  Wed Jun  4 23:14:47 2008
From: Devacor at aol.com (Devacor at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:14:47 EDT
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
Message-ID: <c74.2dbbf37e.3578b427@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:


I am  undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing
that  does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings  both
apparently coincided with drills for those exact same  scenarios.

Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the  middle when it
didn't even take a hit.

I did read a better debunking  of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the
one about the jet fuel not  reaching the temperature required to destroy
the steel foundations of the  WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,
the steel only needed to be  heated to the point of structural deformation,
not actual  destruction.

 
As for the Pentagon hit. I was under the impression these "guys" just half  
ass flew this plane and plopped it down on top of the pentagon- come to find  
out, whatever hit the pentagon hit the very front of it going top speed and  
parallel to the ground flying parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live  
maybe 20 mins from the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt  
anyone I know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit who  
believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground full  speed and hit 
it like it did- I know someone who worked at the  pentagon  then and someone 
who works right next to it and the def dont  believe it. Not even with a highly 
trained pilot what to speak of the  hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, 
why would anyone go about it like  that, where that is beyond high risk flying 
at top speed a few feet off the  ground when you could much easier fly down on 
it at an angle towards the middle  of it. Also whatever hit it proceeded to 
punch very neat tight holes into the  inner rings which is tons of concrete and 
steel..there wasn't any huge explosion  or big initial mess.
 Now although no one believes it, no one also really wants to take it  to the 
next step and say "well then what was it and why"? - That's a whole other  
can of worms.
 Also first accounts of sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the  pentagon 
was that a small ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very low to the  ground at a 
very high speed was heading in that direction.
 I knew of the Pentagon inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until  later 
that I heard of the WTC issues and inconsistencies (most people only  hear about 
the WTC part of it). The more common things mentioned (jet fuel,  puffs of 
smoke etc) are really just one part of it- those could go either way if  you 
really looked at it- if those were the only things a little fishy then it  could 
be a toss up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag  wise)- The WTC7 
of course very much is but there is much more then even  that. 
 I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over  reacting and 
looking into things that weren't there if I didn't look into it  some myself. In 
order to really do so you have to look into it more then what  "Penn and 
Teller" have to say and also get past our own cognitive  dissonance. 
 I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the  accounts and saw 
the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a non  believer who went 
and did all of that and still remained a non believer.  
I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my  government has 
hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any good  to have that be the 
fact if it is the case...
 Though if something smells like a rat right in front of my  face, I cant 
discount it just because it doesn't do me any good or not fit  into my present 
belief system...
 

 
Adam Helfer







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From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 00:13:09 2008
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:13:09 +1200
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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dont be sorry...   =)
i cant change your mind, but i hope at least you keep it open, as i do...

any idea where the plane went that hit the pentagon??  (no trace of it)
why did WTC7 go down?? (it was professionally demolished)
what about that other plane that was shot down? no wreckage no bodies?
the one that crashed into the countryside somewhere.. left just a hole
in the ground... hmmm?
basic questions - no basic answers...
THE OFFICIAL STORY IS BOLLOX!

sorry to dredge this up again, but my questions are still relevant and
to my mind, unanswered...
FUCK the braindead norm,
I WILL REFUSE!


and i type in caps when i want to, COZ I CAN...!



=)






On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:
> Bongo:
>
> Sorry, but I don't buy into your theories, either.
> AND NO NEED TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!
> k.w.
>
>



-- 


"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."

From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 01:19:02 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <002a01c8c671$b3da4750$4601010a@edweil>
Message-ID: <541135.11848.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&gt; that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
&nbsp;
Lol! good one..


&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt; wrote:

From: Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 11:35 AM



LB:
&nbsp;
Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's negatives.
If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
Carry on, LB!
&nbsp;
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Oh Karen me&nbsp; too!
&nbsp;
Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.&nbsp;&nbsp;Jobs were back in full force, etc. 
&nbsp;
But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 
&nbsp;
McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Cheers,
&nbsp;
~LB
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:


Let's hope your father is wrong. 
While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
Hell, even McCain might be.
&nbsp;
k.w.
San Diego

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Exactly! 
&nbsp;
My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 
&nbsp;
Do you know if that happened&nbsp;and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!&nbsp; But I really hope that does not happen. 
&nbsp;
I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last&nbsp;LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
~ LB
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:

One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
Now that would be a media circus.





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If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...


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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Thu Jun  5 01:21:13 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:21:13 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama - education
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The older sister graduated 10 years ago with a 
degree in Speech Pathology from Stern college.
The younger one graduated from Brooklyn College 
with honors last year... Also in Speech Pathology.

She worked every damn day she had available 
including weekends. There are still loans to be paid back
but eventually it'll get done.

And yeah, I am lucky. I got a decent family who 
always try to help each other out and is always there for one another.
(Though all 3 of us are VERY different from one 
another. Put us all at a table and watch the circus come to town. *grin*)

Music scene is tough. I also have a gripe with 
file sharers who say "oh it's to expensive, if it was cheaper I'd buy it. From
the recent albums put out by Trent and co. it 
seems they're not to true to their word. I mean, 
Fuck, give them just one dollar
and it'd make an impact. (I still hate the RIAA & MPAA with a passion though).

Sincerely,
Me

At 08:59 PM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
>If it is not too personal, what level college and when?
>I had to work 2 or 3 jobs when doing my degrees, 
>but was lucky to also have 'some' income from 
>music. Free music scenes don't pay that well, 
>though. It still financially crucified me.
>You're lucky, sir.
>
>
>
>----------
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:21:01 -0400
>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama - education
>
>You have valid points and I'll go into more 
>detail later (I got basketball in 30 minutes).
>
>Let me tell you a bit about me.
>
>My sisters and I grew up with the support of one 
>parent. My Mother, who went back to college at the age of 43 to gain
>a batter job after her divorce. We had no child 
>support, were on welfare and frankly, not all that well to do. (Paid back
>every cent of welfare we received as well). We 
>live according to our means and managed to get by. Both my sisters
>worked hard, went to college had jobs and worked 
>their way through. We were definitely in the low income bracket and
>at one point had food delivered from charities. 
>But you know what... we worked hard and persevered.
>
>Best Wishes,
>Me
>
>At 08:10 PM 6/4/2008, folk devil wrote:
>Mr Me. As someone who works within US academia, 
>an observation of mine would be that an 
>American's education is greatly dependent on how 
>affluent their family is, but yes, as you said, 
>it is a capitalist society. This  'condition' is 
>not limited to just the states, however. 
>Scholarships are NOT that abundant, 
>either.  Many lower income children enter the 
>army after school, just to gain 'skills'. So you 
>have immensely educated people, as well as 
>incredibly 'under-educated' people, with a huge gap inbetween.
>
>
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>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:45:51 -0400
>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>The US does a damned fine job for it's people. 
>Regarding public education, the amount of money spent is
>crazy. It's just sad that the money given to the 
>educators is wasted on shit like "taking kids to the grocery
>to learn how to shop and interact with shopkeeps 
>and shop workers". When the US has tough tests you
>have the liberal loons crying and bitching that 
>"the tests are to hard for the kids, we need to make it easier".
>The poorly educated Americans are not due to a 
>lack of effort. It's due to misguided individuals who fuck
>everything up. (Oh yes, and also editing or 
>removing Mark twain books because some things are "offensive")
>Making college tests easier and allowing ppl. 
>with lower scores access just for the sake of it... is pathetic.
>
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Thu Jun  5 01:24:13 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:24:13 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
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You might find this interesting.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Have a glance in your spare time.

Cheers,
Me

At 11:14 PM 6/4/2008, Devacor at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
>
>I am undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing
>that does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both
>apparently coincided with drills for those exact same scenarios.
>
>Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the middle when it
>didn't even take a hit.
>
>I did read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the
>one about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy
>the steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,
>the steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural deformation,
>not actual destruction.
>
>
>As for the Pentagon hit. I was under the impression these "guys" 
>just half ass flew this plane and plopped it down on top of the 
>pentagon- come to find out, whatever hit the pentagon hit the very 
>front of it going top speed and parallel to the ground flying 
>parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live maybe 20 mins from 
>the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt anyone I 
>know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit who 
>believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground full 
>speed and hit it like it did- I know someone who worked at the 
>pentagon  then and someone who works right next to it and the def 
>dont believe it. Not even with a highly trained pilot what to speak 
>of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, why would anyone go 
>about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying at top 
>speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly down 
>on it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit it 
>proceeded to punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings which 
>is tons of concrete and steel..there wasn't any huge explosion or 
>big initial mess.
>  Now although no one believes it, no one also really wants to take 
> it to the next step and say "well then what was it and why"? - 
> That's a whole other can of worms.
>  Also first accounts of sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the 
> pentagon was that a small ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very 
> low to the ground at a very high speed was heading in that direction.
>  I knew of the Pentagon inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until 
> later that I heard of the WTC issues and inconsistencies (most 
> people only hear about the WTC part of it). The more common things 
> mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of smoke etc) are really just one part 
> of it- those could go either way if you really looked at it- if 
> those were the only things a little fishy then it could be a toss 
> up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)- The 
> WTC7 of course very much is but there is much more then even that.
>  I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over 
> reacting and looking into things that weren't there if I didn't 
> look into it some myself. In order to really do so you have to look 
> into it more then what "Penn and Teller" have to say and also get 
> past our own cognitive dissonance.
>  I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the accounts 
> and saw the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a non 
> believer who went and did all of that and still remained a non believer.
>I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my government 
>has hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any good to 
>have that be the fact if it is the case...
>  Though if something smells like a rat right in front of my face, I 
> cant discount it just because it doesn't do me any good or not fit 
> into my present belief system...
>
>
>Adam Helfer
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Thu Jun  5 01:26:16 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:26:16 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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Yes you can, but it's nice to be considerate to others :)

Cheers,
Me

Re: being considerate. I won't be attaching a nude photo of myself as I'd never
want to see any gatherer scarred for life. :)

At 12:13 AM 6/5/2008, bongo wrote:
>dont be sorry...   =)
>i cant change your mind, but i hope at least you keep it open, as i do...
>
>any idea where the plane went that hit the pentagon??  (no trace of it)
>why did WTC7 go down?? (it was professionally demolished)
>what about that other plane that was shot down? no wreckage no bodies?
>the one that crashed into the countryside somewhere.. left just a hole
>in the ground... hmmm?
>basic questions - no basic answers...
>THE OFFICIAL STORY IS BOLLOX!
>
>sorry to dredge this up again, but my questions are still relevant and
>to my mind, unanswered...
>FUCK the braindead norm,
>I WILL REFUSE!
>
>
>and i type in caps when i want to, COZ I CAN...!
>
>
>
>=)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:
> > Bongo:
> >
> > Sorry, but I don't buy into your theories, either.
> > AND NO NEED TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!
> > k.w.
> >
> >
>
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 01:27:04 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:27:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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&gt; bush is so stupid he is that thick, he just hasnt worked out were the switch is yet ;D))))&nbsp; 

The switch is protected by a childproof cap. He still hasn't figured out it's 'press-down-and-turn'.
&nbsp;
Tolerance of violence
By the fellows with no heads
Some things are so big
They make no sense

Histories so small
People are so dense
Never mind the Pistols
They laid the Golem eggs&nbsp; (others came to hatch them...)

&nbsp;
>From outside the pale
Someone sees it all....

Goodbye Mr. Ed
&nbsp;
&nbsp;~~ goodbye,mr.ed;tinmachine





&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, melinda grant &lt;hollytree1961 at hotmail.com&gt; wrote:

From: melinda grant &lt;hollytree1961 at hotmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: gathering at misera.net
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bush is so stupid,that i am truly suprised that he has not pushed the red button,i mean he has zero common sence,however,he is that thick,he just hasnt worked out were the switch is yet ;D))))&nbsp; thank god ;/
&nbsp;
milinda





From: karen.weil at sddt.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:35:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


LB:
&nbsp;
Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's negatives.
If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
Carry on, LB!
&nbsp;
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Oh Karen me&nbsp; too!
&nbsp;
Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.&nbsp;&nbsp;Jobs were back in full force, etc. 
&nbsp;
But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 
&nbsp;
McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Cheers,
&nbsp;
~LB
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:


Let's hope your father is wrong. 
While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
Hell, even McCain might be.
&nbsp;
k.w.
San Diego

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Exactly! 
&nbsp;
My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected that he would be assassinated. 
&nbsp;
Do you know if that happened&nbsp;and he was assassinated of how bad the riots would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A. Riots combine!&nbsp; But I really hope that does not happen. 
&nbsp;
I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally get out of the predicament that we have been in the last&nbsp;LONG 8 years of Bush and his cronies doings.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
~ LB
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time, folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:

One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man, before he gets to the whitehouse.
Now that would be a media circus.





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To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:32 -0400
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If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...


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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 01:48:39 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:48:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC03DD90@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
Message-ID: <255016.36445.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&gt; Saddam was....much nearer to being on 'our' side 
&nbsp;
'Nearer' is putting it kindly. Saddam started off as an agent for the&nbsp;CIA.

&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, ade &lt;ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk&gt; wrote:

From: ade &lt;ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 1:53 PM

I'm not even thinking about our reliance on oil, I just think if we get
out now, the place will become warlord/tribe controlled. I think anyone
who calls for removal of troops now doesn't give a shit about the people
left behind.

As soon as we went in, that was the death-sentence for any withdrawal
for YEARS. What a total fuck-up.

You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising.
Whereas
the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
nutfucks. We've trained them up...


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of T.B.
Sent: 04 June 2008 16:40
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


"ade" wrote:


&gt; Do you think the US should pull out of Iraq, asap ?

IMO, yeah, sure we should get out of the country asap.  The problem is, we 
can't.

We really screwed the pooch invading that country and severely 
underestimated the ability of the people there to become self-starters and 
govern themselves.  Not to mention our presence created a convenient place 
for every anti-American faction to gather, organize and fight us on 
basically their home ground further destabilizing the place.  Now, the 
moment we start pulling out in significant numbers, you'll see hardcore 
Islamic fanatics like the Taliban taking up the slack and overthrowing 
whatever fragile government might be in place and taking the country back to 
the stone age.

With oil at an all time high with no end in sight, any further major 
destabilization in global fuel sources will be catastrophic to the world 
economy.  Thus, while there may be a significant drawdown in combat troops 
in the next 5 years, we'll likely have a permanent military presence in the

region for decades to come.  With countries like China gobbling up more and 
more oil, there basically *has* to be a Western (translation: US) military 
presence in the region to prevent a full tilt invasion somewhere down the 
line from China or even Russia.

T.B. 

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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 02:09:17 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:09:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <14522.202.37.242.245.1212614484.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
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&gt; conservative generally implies Christian 
&gt; who are most in favour of more 'freedom' for business are those who 
&gt; would have you believe in their invisible friend who lives in the clouds, 
&gt; who speaks through them

They prolly think the 'Invisible Hand'&nbsp;(from Adam Smith) is the Hand Of God as well.
&nbsp;

&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt; wrote:

From: Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 2:21 PM

I've been watching a lot of George Carlin recently, and I tend to give
*some* credence to his statement that politicians are a distraction. i.e.
the real power brokers or string pullers are the bankers, multinationals,
the wealthy individuals, groups, familes who fund political parties, the
ones who own and control the media. The argument being that the
politicians are a front group for the wealthy and powerful.

And it's not hard to imagine that even if Omaba was genuine about his
intentions, that he would be stymied, hamstrung, and perhaps killed. One
thing that concerns me is that he's a Christian...seems to be a
pre-requisite to even be considered for nomination, which is a shame.
Personally I think even more ground-breaking than a black President would
be an agnostic or atheist President.

It's always struck me as strange (and convenient) that in the US 
conservative generally implies Christian as well. i.e those who are most
in favour of more 'freedom' for business are those who would have you
believe in their invisible friend who lives in the clouds, who speaks
through them.

&gt;
&gt; Actually Hillary's the one who's threatened Iran, Macain want to
stay in
&gt; Iraq and invade who knows where else, an d Obama has suggested bombing
&gt; Pakistan. Boy, does imperialism suck!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:08:38 -0700From: lonestyle at aol.comTo:
&gt; gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
&gt;
&gt; Oh Karen me  too!
&gt;
&gt; Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought
&gt; us out of a rut.  Jobs were back in full force, etc.
&gt;
&gt; But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon
&gt; for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off
&gt; the hook with inflation it is pitiful!
&gt;
&gt; McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a
&gt; wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I
&gt; think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is
&gt; too much of a hot head.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Cheers,
&gt;
&gt; ~LB
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; In a message dated 06/04/08 10:52:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
&gt; karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Let's hope your father is wrong.
&gt; While I hold no hope that, even if elected, Obama will be able to undo all
&gt; the immense damage inflicted on our nation and the world by this corrupt
&gt; disgrace of a president, he will be a vast improvement.
&gt; Hell, even McCain might be.
&gt;
&gt; k.w.
&gt; San Diego
&gt;
&gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; From: LONESTYLE
&gt; To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:46 AM
&gt; Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
&gt;
&gt; Exactly!
&gt;
&gt; My Father said almost the same thing that he was afraid if he was elected
&gt; that he would be assassinated.
&gt;
&gt; Do you know if that happened and he was assassinated of how bad the riots
&gt; would be? It would all 3 of The Watts, Martin Luther King, and 1992 L.A.
&gt; Riots combine!  But I really hope that does not happen.
&gt;
&gt; I think he will do a great job and I have faith in him to get us finally
&gt; get out of the predicament that we have been in the last LONG 8 years of
&gt; Bush and his cronies doings.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ~ LB
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; In a message dated 06/04/08 08:29:15 Pacific Daylight Time,
&gt; folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com writes:
&gt;
&gt; One of those Right Wing nut jobs might quite possibly shoot the man,
&gt; before he gets to the whitehouse.Now that would be a media circus.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008
&gt; 11:25:32 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
&gt;
&gt; If so, why are the ultra right-wing nut job hate-filled paranoid talk
&gt; radio nuts freaking out b/c they think Obama may be Muslim due to his
&gt; name? I agree it shouldn't matter (although I'd prefer an atheist
&gt; president, or atheist anyone for that matter)...
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 02:20:31 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:20:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <ce16091e0806041503o25a66b8ak7ed049abbf35796d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <143270.59380.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&nbsp; Listen, the plane that hit the Pentagon was going so fast and flying so low above 
the ground that the air pressure against its form before the point of impact combined 
with the pull of the gravitational force of the Earth combined to severely compress the
airplane's physical endoskeleton and overall form, defying both&nbsp;Newtonian and&nbsp;Keplerian
physics and reduce the entire plane&nbsp;in size&nbsp;to a size similar to that of only a large 
missile. 
It's true. 
&nbsp;
Haahh!! 8D
&nbsp;
No, seriously: http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/bcr911.htm?200630

&nbsp;

&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, bongo &lt;humanhybrid666 at gmail.com&gt; wrote:

From: bongo &lt;humanhybrid666 at gmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:03 PM

ah well...

just speaking my mind is all   =)

that plane that hit the pentagon sure hit hard . . . . . . . . .







On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Mik Raven &lt;mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk&gt;
wrote:
&gt; People are always attracted to the conspiracy theories, they are far more
&gt; interesting than the dull old truth!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; On Wed Jun 4 22:47 , 'B. Oliver Sheppard'
&lt;bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net&gt; sent:
&gt;
&gt; I'm not a "9/11 was an inside job" nutter.
&gt;
&gt; -Oliver
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; bongo wrote:
&gt;&gt; you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked the US???
&gt;&gt; have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or any of the other
911
&gt;&gt; doco's?
&gt;&gt; there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign darkies... it was
&gt;&gt; your LEADERS!!!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; WAKE UP!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 02:29:09 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:29:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <003101c8c694$ed2b5a80$4601010a@edweil>
Message-ID: <657907.87848.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&nbsp;&nbsp; And if we down here end up having to flee up there, i fully expect 
Canadia to have a most unwelcome border response to American 
refugees wanting to move up there.

I've been saying this for the last 5 years or so but if&nbsp;*I* say it I'm a spaztic-lunatic, but maybe if it ends up in print, it may be taken seriously.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt; wrote:

From: Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:47 PM





Oh geez, I'm not prepared to flee up there yet! ; )
&nbsp;
Have a good one!
&nbsp;
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Karen,
&nbsp;
Thank you. :) 
&nbsp;
Let's just hope that things will change soon because The North Pole is looking good about now. ;)
&nbsp;
~ LB
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
In a message dated 06/04/08 11:39:39 Pacific Daylight Time, karen.weil at sddt.com writes:


LB:
&nbsp;
Appreciate your points on the Clinton years and McCain. While I'm sure the latter means well, I agree with you on his temprament. Further, I sense a bit of an entitlement mentality on his and his supporter' part, based on his military service and shabby treatment by the Bush syndicate in 2000.
And, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean McCain deserves to be president. The military background didn't help Bob Dole or John Kerry, either.
Unless truly proves he is different from the pathetic excuse we've had for seven years, he will have a hard road to travel -- despite Obama's negatives.
If every American who can vote does so, Obama has a strong chance. 
And that's my 3 cents (adjusted for our rising costs)! ; )
Carry on, LB!
&nbsp;
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: LONESTYLE 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Oh Karen me&nbsp; too!
&nbsp;
Well when Clinton took office and actually he help our economy and brought us out of a rut.&nbsp;&nbsp;Jobs were back in full force, etc. 
&nbsp;
But then you have the war thing which I really hope will be solved soon for us Americans are sick of it! Fuckin gas, food, rent, everything is off the hook with inflation it is pitiful! 
&nbsp;
McCain sacres me. I bet his wife blind folds him then ties him up on a wooden board and they play Hanoi Hilton together. ;) HA! Kidding. But I think he would love to start a war with Iran and press the button, he is too much of a hot head.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Cheers,
&nbsp;
~LB
&nbsp;
&nbsp;


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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 02:41:57 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:41:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <003601c8c695$3ce18ae0$4601010a@edweil>
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&nbsp; &nbsp;To&nbsp;make a clean moral issue a little murkier (sorry), Kuwait was also stealing 
some of Iraq's oil from the Kuwaiti side of the border. 
&nbsp;&nbsp; I read a news report&nbsp;a just few years ago that some Brit firm confirmed the serial
numbers on some Kuwaiti drilling rigs&nbsp;along the Kuwait/Iraq border&nbsp;designed to drill 
into the ground and siphon off the oil below from an angle, ifyouknowwhatimean.....

&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt; wrote:

From: Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:49 PM

You got it, Oliver. Also, here's another little thing the mainstream media 
fails to mention: Saddam went into Kuwait in 1990 because, essentially, our 
government told him he could.
Sorry, Mik, but this country was happy to look the other way while Saddam 
killed his own people, because he was "our SOB" during the 1980s.
And none of that will ever justify the invasion of Iraq.

kw.
San Diego
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" &lt;bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net&gt;
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
&lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


&gt; When he was massacring his own people, a lot of that was done with US 
&gt; support. Also, the targets of one of his pogroms were the Kurds, whose 
&gt; plight the US really played up in the lead-up to Gulf War 1. The Kurds are

&gt; also being massacred by US ally Turkey, which has US air bases in its 
&gt; southeast. We should overthrow them, too, no?
&gt;
&gt; -Oliver
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Mik Raven wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal
despot 
&gt;&gt; who was quite happy to massacre his own people?
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 02:54:44 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:54:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <27062.202.37.242.245.1212620093.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
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&nbsp;&nbsp; Have a look at this article. 
&nbsp;&nbsp; It helps to use a pen to underline and draw circles and stuff to follow the gist 
of this because it touches on a whole helluva lot of facts n' figures.
&nbsp;&nbsp; If you know of something better, please post it up here, because i don't want 
to be one of&nbsp;this generation's "JKF Gullibles."
&nbsp;
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and 9/11: 
A Scandal Beyond What Has Been Seen Before
Matt Everett
The Journal of Psychohistory, Winter 2005, 32 (3): 202-238
http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/bcr911.htm?200630
&nbsp;
&nbsp;

&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt; wrote:

From: Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:54 PM

I watched 5 mins of Penn and Teller doing a BULLSHIT show on the 911
conspiracy theory topic last night, kicked it in the head half way through
because their idea of discrediting the theory seemed to be to find the
most fringe, unconvincing loonies they possibly could and yell swear words
at them. Makes for good tv, but doesn't make for a particularly valid
debate IMO. You can find a loonbag with an opinion about anything if you
look hard enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

Penn strikes me as a natural litigator as well, gift of the gab, big loud
energetic and in your face (and yes, entertaining and funny too). I tend
to give more weight to the quiet and considered approach of Chomsky for
example.

I am undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing
that does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both
apparently coincided with drills for those exact same scenarios.

Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the middle when it
didn't even take a hit.

I did read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the
one about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy
the steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,
the steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural deformation,
not actual destruction.

And the puffs of smoke seen coming out of the lower floors are consistent
with the shock wave of the higher levels collapsing and sending air
downwards...

But I note there's a book out about debunking the debunkers...which makes
perfect sense, science at work (you'd hope).


&gt; &lt;html&gt;
&gt; People are always attracted to the conspiracy theories, they are far more
&gt; interesting than the dull old truth!&lt;BR&gt;
&gt; &lt;BR&gt;
&gt; &lt;BR&gt;
&gt; &lt;BR&gt;
&gt; &lt;B&gt;On Wed Jun 4 22:47 , 'B. Oliver Sheppard'
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&gt; &lt;BR&gt;
&gt; -Oliver&lt;BR&gt;
&gt; &lt;BR&gt;
&gt; &lt;BR&gt;
&gt; bongo wrote:&lt;BR&gt;
&gt; &lt;FONT color=red&gt;&amp;gt; you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama)
attacked
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&gt; &lt;FONT color=red&gt;&amp;gt; have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE
SIGHT? or
&gt; any of the other 911 doco's?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BR&gt;
&gt; &lt;FONT color=red&gt;&amp;gt; there is NO WAY that all that was done by
foreign
&gt; darkies... it was&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BR&gt;
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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Thu Jun  5 04:10:35 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:10:35 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232CFB7@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

No probs.  I'll let you know when the download has completed.  Which may
be some time as I forgot to turn the home PC on this morning when I left
for work.  Killjoys have stopped us downloading here :-(

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 04 June 2008 20:28
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght


me too if you have the time,though theres no rush ;)
 
milinda and mik raven




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	From: gregslawson at msn.com
	To: gathering at misera.net
	Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:08:17 -0400
	Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
	
	
	Just heard "The Only ONe" Is that from the new album? It sounded
pretty decent.
	
	> From: a.madani at anirrationaldomain.net
	> To: gathering at misera.net
	> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:03:05 -0400
	> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
	> 
	> I would love one. Thanks!
	> 
	> 
	> ----- Original Message ----- 
	> From: "Janean Lancaster" <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk>
	> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
	> <gathering at misera.net>
	> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:01 PM
	> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
	> 
	> 
	> Found the Hollywood show on Dimeadozen, downloading it now -
I'm interested 
	> to hear those 2 new tracks.
	> 
	> Here is the link. (Someone's also uploaded a photo.) If you
can't get on 
	> and want a copy let me know.
	> 
	>
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199367&page=0#startcom
ments
	> 
	> Cheers,
	> Janean
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
	> Behalf Of LONESTYLE
	> 
	> I think "Bloodflowers" is an excellent album and poorly
accepted by some, 
	> but to each his own right? ;)
	> 
	> It is so strange that the L.A. Times did not review both Cure
shows here in 
	> Los Angeles? There is nothing online too on their page. They
always have 
	> reviewed their gigs here when they have played.
	> 
	> Cheers,
	> 
	> - LB
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> In a message dated 06/03/08 00:53:45 Pacific Daylight Time, 
	> Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:
	> 
	> <<< second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my
favorites >>>
	> 
	> Mine too, I get goosebumps just thinking about when I
saw/heard that one 
	> live.
	> 
	> <<< Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that
Porl is back 
	> in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit
like "Wish" 
	> like Porl never left. >>>
	> 
	> >From the two new songs I heard, I thought one of them sounded
like something 
	> off Bloodflowers. Which is a compliment, I might add. Much
underrated 
	> album.
	> 
	> <<< You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and
we saw many 
	> people sit down in their sits during that one. HA! >>>
	> 
	> Yes, I was hoping we wouldn't get "treated" to that one too,
seeing as it 
	> was a Thursday...
	> 
	> Cheers,
	> Janean
	> 
	> ________________________________
	> 
	> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
	> Behalf Of LONESTYLE
	> Sent: 02 June 2008 19:17
	> To: gathering at misera.net
	> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
	> 
	> 
	> We were walking up when they were doing the new song and
opener "Underneath 
	> the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song
"Prayers For 
	> Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for
"Palinsong" as a 
	> opener too and they have been doing it on some of the stops
but not this 
	> time which was fine. The sound was great and I never go to
outdoor shows due 
	> to the crowds and shitty bands that open at times.
	> 
	> Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that
Porl is back in 
	> the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit
like "Wish" 
	> like Porl never left.
	> 
	> You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we
saw many 
	> people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!
	> 
	> Glad to post it. :)
	> 
	> ~ LB
	> 
	> In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time, 
	> Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:
	> 
	> Cool! They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March
and these 
	> newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened
the show with 
	> one. (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong -
surely 
	> nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)
	> 
	> Really looking forward to the new album. Hope it's better than
the last 
	> one. Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by
that awful 
	> first track.
	> 
	> Cheers for posting,
	> Janean
	> 
	> ________________________________
	> 
	> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
	> Behalf Of LONESTYLE
	> Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54
	> To: gathering at misera.net
	> Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they
were great! The 
	> only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. ,
Faith , 
	> Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the
screen behind them 
	> had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it
fitted Discharge 
	> more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw
about 5 new 
	> songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new
before the 4 
	> encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something
off of KJ's 
	> "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best
new song yet! 
	> Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people
there it 
	> seemed then Goths & Punks. I did not see so many. Here is the
setlist if 
	> you Cure fans want to check out....
	> 
	> 
	>
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html
	> 
	> ~ LB
	> 
	> 
	> In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, 
	> nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:
	> 
	> but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...
	> ;)
	> 
	> 
	> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade
<ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
	> 
	> 
	> iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)
	> 
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On 
	> Behalf Of n0153 jr
	> Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04
	> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
	> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
	> 
	> 
	> I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the
microsoft ones) 
	> and I still don't have a mobile...
	> Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk
to me? call 
	> me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a
thing of the past 
	> (typed while glancing at the sky)...
	> 
	> jr
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger
<bettedillinger at live.com> 
	> wrote:
	> 
	> 
	> 30th B-day, if ever ;)
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> ________________________________
	> 
	> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700
	> 
	> From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
	> To: gathering at misera.net
	> 
	> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
	> 
	> 
	> I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world
then. 
	> Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and
you can't or 
	> shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go
completely 
	> overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's
room. It 
	> really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the
Explorer while 
	> she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about
is a cell 
	> phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday?
	> 
	> 
	> http://www.nightruiner.com
	> http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
	> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
	> 
	> 
	> ----- Original Message ----
	> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
	> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
<gathering at misera.net>
	> 
	> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM
	> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
	> 
	> 
	> Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles,
etc, etc. 
	> Mental.
	> 
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On 
	> Behalf Of iPat
	> Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36
	> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
	> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame
	> 
	> 
	> ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy
training in 
	> Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i
noticed a great 
	> improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing
the game after 
	> removing his console from the room after a bout of
unreasonable behaviour.
	> 
	> 
	> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr
<nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:
	> 
	> 
	> yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said
that...
	> 
	> I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my
Playstation3 
	> and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints
this song struck 
	> me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it
took me quite a 
	> while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what
surprised me even 
	> more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it
was Turn to 
	> Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...
	> 
	> a
	> 
	> 
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Jun  5 04:14:08 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:14:08 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <143270.59380.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <ce16091e0806041503o25a66b8ak7ed049abbf35796d@mail.gmail.com>
	<143270.59380.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1068.60.234.228.138.1212653648.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Nonsense. The Pentagon lies at the nexus (triple word score) of 5
previously undiscovered ley lines, hence the term PENTagon. Sigh. So
obvious. The magnetic and orgone / ethereal forces conglomerating on the
area are well beyond the ken of normal folks, even normal folks called
Ken(neth). ANYTHING could happen at that point, just witness some of the
bullshit that comes out of that building...the defence rests. (Cos
bullshit is tiring).

> &nbsp; Listen, the plane that hit the Pentagon was going so fast and
> flying so low above
> the ground that the air pressure against its form before the point of
> impact combined
> with the pull of the gravitational force of the Earth combined to severely
> compress the
> airplane's physical endoskeleton and overall form, defying
> both&nbsp;Newtonian and&nbsp;Keplerian
> physics and reduce the entire plane&nbsp;in size&nbsp;to a size similar to
> that of only a large
> missile.
> It's true.
> &nbsp;
> Haahh!! 8D
> &nbsp;
> No, seriously: http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/bcr911.htm?200630
>
> &nbsp;
>
> &nbsp;
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
> (looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)
>
> 'Save
> me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;save me&nbsp;from
> Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp;
>
> --- On Wed, 6/4/08, bongo &lt;humanhybrid666 at gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> From: bongo &lt;humanhybrid666 at gmail.com&gt;
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
> To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
> Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:03 PM
>
> ah well...
>
> just speaking my mind is all   =)
>
> that plane that hit the pentagon sure hit hard . . . . . . . . .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Mik Raven
> &lt;mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk&gt;
> wrote:
> &gt; People are always attracted to the conspiracy theories, they are far
> more
> &gt; interesting than the dull old truth!
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; On Wed Jun 4 22:47 , 'B. Oliver Sheppard'
> &lt;bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net&gt; sent:
> &gt;
> &gt; I'm not a "9/11 was an inside job" nutter.
> &gt;
> &gt; -Oliver
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; bongo wrote:
> &gt;&gt; you really think Osama (rhymes with Obama) attacked the US???
> &gt;&gt; have you not seen LOOSE CHANGE? IN PLANE SIGHT? or any of the
> other
> 911
> &gt;&gt; doco's?
> &gt;&gt; there is NO WAY that all that was done by foreign darkies... it
> was
> &gt;&gt; your LEADERS!!!
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; WAKE UP!
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; YOU'RE (WE'RE) ALL FUCKED!!!
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;&gt;
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Jun  5 04:31:17 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:31:17 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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I implicitly understand the issue of Kuwait stealing oil from under Iraqi
territory...

I have to come clean and admit that whenever me and any of my girlfriends
did that cute picturesque thing where we shared a milkshake with a straw
each, that I purposely deformed my girlfriend's straw to create a finer
aperture, furthermore I held her side of the milkshake shaker when I
brought it to the table, thus warming it in relation to mine and reducing
the viscosity of the milkshake on that side, which I then proceeded to
insert my standard-aperture straw into, with the result that it was more
readily suckable and a larger amount could be consumed per period (x) of
time. I further admit that, to use somewhat common vernacular, I "sucked
really hard." Thus I afforded myself, through several forms of guile, a
disproportionate amount of milkshake, which with the benefit of hindsight
I truly regret, not the least for the ensuing milkshake headache and
resultant involuntary public gurning.

(In my defence, or mitigation, I have been larger than all of my
girlfriends and indeed have almost always purchased >=51% of any mutual
milkshakes)


> &nbsp; &nbsp;To&nbsp;make a clean moral issue a little murkier (sorry),
> Kuwait was also stealing
> some of Iraq's oil from the Kuwaiti side of the border.
> &nbsp;&nbsp; I read a news report&nbsp;a just few years ago that some Brit
> firm confirmed the serial
> numbers on some Kuwaiti drilling rigs&nbsp;along the Kuwait/Iraq
> border&nbsp;designed to drill
> into the ground and siphon off the oil below from an angle,
> ifyouknowwhatimean.....
>
> &nbsp;
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
> (looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)
>
> 'Save
> me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;save me&nbsp;from
> Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp;
>
> --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt; wrote:
>
> From: Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt;
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
> Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:49 PM
>
> You got it, Oliver. Also, here's another little thing the mainstream media
> fails to mention: Saddam went into Kuwait in 1990 because, essentially,
> our
> government told him he could.
> Sorry, Mik, but this country was happy to look the other way while Saddam
> killed his own people, because he was "our SOB" during the 1980s.
> And none of that will ever justify the invasion of Iraq.
>
> kw.
> San Diego
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" &lt;bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net&gt;
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
>
>
> &gt; When he was massacring his own people, a lot of that was done with US
> &gt; support. Also, the targets of one of his pogroms were the Kurds,
> whose
> &gt; plight the US really played up in the lead-up to Gulf War 1. The
> Kurds are
>
> &gt; also being massacred by US ally Turkey, which has US air bases in its
> &gt; southeast. We should overthrow them, too, no?
> &gt;
> &gt; -Oliver
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; Mik Raven wrote:
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal
> despot
> &gt;&gt; who was quite happy to massacre his own people?
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; _______________________________________________
> &gt; Gathering mailing list
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> &gt; http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> &gt;
>
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Jun  5 04:40:31 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:40:31 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
In-Reply-To: <0K1Z0002R5ON4X11@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <c74.2dbbf37e.3578b427@aol.com>
	<0K1Z0002R5ON4X11@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
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The Wiki article on 9/11 conspiracy theories mentions that Popular
Mechanics article in particluar as being criticised itself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories

"While not supporting theories that the Twin Towers were brought down by
pre-planted explosives, James Quintiere, Ph.D., the former Chief of the
Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and
Technology and who was a Popular Mechanics panel member for their
debunking of 9/11 Truth article disagreed with their conclusions. Calling
for NIST's investigation to be peer reviewed and for researchers and
engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses he stated "The
official conclusion NIST arrived at is questionable
.I hope to convince
you to perhaps become Conspiracy Theorists, but in a proper way"

DISCLAIMER: I haven't read the Popular Mechanics article or the guy
debunking it, if someone else can and give me the Cliff notes I'd be much
obliged (and less exerted ;)

(Towards the bottom under the heading "Criticism"

> You might find this interesting.
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
>
> Have a glance in your spare time.
>
> Cheers,
> Me
>
> At 11:14 PM 6/4/2008, Devacor at aol.com wrote:
>>In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
>>
>>I am undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing
>>that does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both
>>apparently coincided with drills for those exact same scenarios.
>>
>>Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the middle when it
>>didn't even take a hit.
>>
>>I did read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the
>>one about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy
>>the steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,
>>the steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural
>> deformation,
>>not actual destruction.
>>
>>
>>As for the Pentagon hit. I was under the impression these "guys"
>>just half ass flew this plane and plopped it down on top of the
>>pentagon- come to find out, whatever hit the pentagon hit the very
>>front of it going top speed and parallel to the ground flying
>>parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live maybe 20 mins from
>>the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt anyone I
>>know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit who
>>believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground full
>>speed and hit it like it did- I know someone who worked at the
>>pentagon  then and someone who works right next to it and the def
>>dont believe it. Not even with a highly trained pilot what to speak
>>of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, why would anyone go
>>about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying at top
>>speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly down
>>on it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit it
>>proceeded to punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings which
>>is tons of concrete and steel..there wasn't any huge explosion or
>>big initial mess.
>>  Now although no one believes it, no one also really wants to take
>> it to the next step and say "well then what was it and why"? -
>> That's a whole other can of worms.
>>  Also first accounts of sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the
>> pentagon was that a small ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very
>> low to the ground at a very high speed was heading in that direction.
>>  I knew of the Pentagon inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until
>> later that I heard of the WTC issues and inconsistencies (most
>> people only hear about the WTC part of it). The more common things
>> mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of smoke etc) are really just one part
>> of it- those could go either way if you really looked at it- if
>> those were the only things a little fishy then it could be a toss
>> up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)- The
>> WTC7 of course very much is but there is much more then even that.
>>  I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over
>> reacting and looking into things that weren't there if I didn't
>> look into it some myself. In order to really do so you have to look
>> into it more then what "Penn and Teller" have to say and also get
>> past our own cognitive dissonance.
>>  I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the accounts
>> and saw the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a non
>> believer who went and did all of that and still remained a non believer.
>>I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my government
>>has hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any good to
>>have that be the fact if it is the case...
>>  Though if something smells like a rat right in front of my face, I
>> cant discount it just because it doesn't do me any good or not fit
>> into my present belief system...
>>
>>
>>Adam Helfer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> contribute
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> unethical, while
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 05:17:19 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 02:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <1074.60.234.228.138.1212654677.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <531743.24094.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That Zealand hash is fuckin' good, isn't it?


&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Thu, 6/5/08, Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt; wrote:

From: Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 1:31 AM

I implicitly understand the issue of Kuwait stealing oil from under Iraqi
territory...

I have to come clean and admit that whenever me and any of my girlfriends
did that cute picturesque thing where we shared a milkshake with a straw
each, that I purposely deformed my girlfriend's straw to create a finer
aperture, furthermore I held her side of the milkshake shaker when I
brought it to the table, thus warming it in relation to mine and reducing
the viscosity of the milkshake on that side, which I then proceeded to
insert my standard-aperture straw into, with the result that it was more
readily suckable and a larger amount could be consumed per period (x) of
time. I further admit that, to use somewhat common vernacular, I "sucked
really hard." Thus I afforded myself, through several forms of guile, a
disproportionate amount of milkshake, which with the benefit of hindsight
I truly regret, not the least for the ensuing milkshake headache and
resultant involuntary public gurning.

(In my defence, or mitigation, I have been larger than all of my
girlfriends and indeed have almost always purchased &gt;=51% of any mutual
milkshakes)


&gt; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;To&amp;nbsp;make a clean moral issue a little murkier
(sorry),
&gt; Kuwait was also stealing
&gt; some of Iraq's oil from the Kuwaiti side of the border.
&gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; I read a news report&amp;nbsp;a just few years ago
that some Brit
&gt; firm confirmed the serial
&gt; numbers on some Kuwaiti drilling rigs&amp;nbsp;along the Kuwait/Iraq
&gt; border&amp;nbsp;designed to drill
&gt; into the ground and siphon off the oil below from an angle,
&gt; ifyouknowwhatimean.....
&gt;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; ... ... ... ... ... ...
&gt; (looking at the current&amp;nbsp;state of things)
&gt;
&gt; 'Save
&gt;
me..&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;save me&amp;nbsp;from
&gt;
Tomorrow..&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
&amp;nbsp;
&gt;
&gt; --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Karen Weil &amp;lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&amp;gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; From: Karen Weil &amp;lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&amp;gt;
&gt; Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
&gt; To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
&gt; &amp;lt;gathering at misera.net&amp;gt;
&gt; Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:49 PM
&gt;
&gt; You got it, Oliver. Also, here's another little thing the mainstream
media
&gt; fails to mention: Saddam went into Kuwait in 1990 because, essentially,
&gt; our
&gt; government told him he could.
&gt; Sorry, Mik, but this country was happy to look the other way while Saddam
&gt; killed his own people, because he was "our SOB" during the
1980s.
&gt; And none of that will ever justify the invasion of Iraq.
&gt;
&gt; kw.
&gt; San Diego
&gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"
&amp;lt;bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net&amp;gt;
&gt; To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
&gt; &amp;lt;gathering at misera.net&amp;gt;
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:24 PM
&gt; Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &amp;gt; When he was massacring his own people, a lot of that was done
with US
&gt; &amp;gt; support. Also, the targets of one of his pogroms were the Kurds,
&gt; whose
&gt; &amp;gt; plight the US really played up in the lead-up to Gulf War 1. The
&gt; Kurds are
&gt;
&gt; &amp;gt; also being massacred by US ally Turkey, which has US air bases in
its
&gt; &amp;gt; southeast. We should overthrow them, too, no?
&gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &amp;gt; -Oliver
&gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &amp;gt; Mik Raven wrote:
&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a
genosidal
&gt; despot
&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; who was quite happy to massacre his own people?
&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &amp;gt; _______________________________________________
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 05:19:52 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 02:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <1068.60.234.228.138.1212653648.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <250390.19586.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

ROFLZMAOff!!!
&nbsp;
I was reaching into my wallet for my soon-to-be-useless-&amp;-devalued US dollars$ to buy this until a whiff of it hit me. 
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
..you are an insane man.....
&nbsp;


&nbsp;
... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Thu, 6/5/08, Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt; wrote:

From: Brendan &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 1:14 AM

Nonsense. The Pentagon lies at the nexus (triple word score) of 5
previously undiscovered ley lines, hence the term PENTagon. Sigh. So
obvious. The magnetic and orgone / ethereal forces conglomerating on the
area are well beyond the ken of normal folks, even normal folks called
Ken(neth). ANYTHING could happen at that point, just witness some of the
bullshit that comes out of that building...the defence rests. (Cos
bullshit is tiring).

&gt; &amp;nbsp; Listen, the plane that hit the Pentagon was going so fast and
&gt; flying so low above
&gt; the ground that the air pressure against its form before the point of
&gt; impact combined
&gt; with the pull of the gravitational force of the Earth combined to severely
&gt; compress the
&gt; airplane's physical endoskeleton and overall form, defying
&gt; both&amp;nbsp;Newtonian and&amp;nbsp;Keplerian
&gt; physics and reduce the entire plane&amp;nbsp;in size&amp;nbsp;to a size
similar to
&gt; that of only a large
&gt; missile.
&gt; It's true.
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; Haahh!! 8D
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; No, seriously: http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/bcr911.htm?200630
&gt;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; ... ... ... ... ... ...
&gt; (looking at the current&amp;nbsp;state of things)
&gt;
&gt; 'Save
&gt;
me..&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;save me&amp;nbsp;from
&gt;
Tomorrow..&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
&amp;nbsp;
&gt;
&gt; --- On Wed, 6/4/08, bongo &amp;lt;humanhybrid666 at gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; From: bongo &amp;lt;humanhybrid666 at gmail.com&amp;gt;
&gt; Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
&gt; To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk, "A list about all things Killing Joke
(the
&gt; band!)" &amp;lt;gathering at misera.net&amp;gt;
&gt; Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:03 PM
&gt;
&gt; ah well...
&gt;
&gt; just speaking my mind is all   =)
&gt;
&gt; that plane that hit the pentagon sure hit hard . . . . . . . . .


      
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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Thu Jun  5 06:08:58 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:08:58 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT wall art
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232CFC2@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

Cripes, that's a bit good!

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Alexandra Tolksdorf
Sent: 04 June 2008 19:08
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT wall art



http://www.vimeo.com/993998
 
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Thu Jun  5 08:54:57 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:54:57 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
In-Reply-To: <1088.60.234.228.138.1212655231.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
References: <c74.2dbbf37e.3578b427@aol.com>
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Can you read it to me as a bed time story?
I love fairy tales! :)

Cheers,
Me

At 04:40 AM 6/5/2008, Brendan wrote:
>The Wiki article on 9/11 conspiracy theories mentions that Popular
>Mechanics article in particluar as being criticised itself:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories
>
>"While not supporting theories that the Twin Towers were brought down by
>pre-planted explosives, James Quintiere, Ph.D., the former Chief of the
>Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and
>Technology and who was a Popular Mechanics panel member for their
>debunking of 9/11 Truth article disagreed with their conclusions. Calling
>for NIST's investigation to be peer reviewed and for researchers and
>engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses he stated "The
>official conclusion NIST arrived at is questionable
.I hope to convince
>you to perhaps become Conspiracy Theorists, but in a proper way"
>
>DISCLAIMER: I haven't read the Popular Mechanics article or the guy
>debunking it, if someone else can and give me the Cliff notes I'd be much
>obliged (and less exerted ;)
>
>(Towards the bottom under the heading "Criticism"
>
> > You might find this interesting.
> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
> >
> > Have a glance in your spare time.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Me
> >
> > At 11:14 PM 6/4/2008, Devacor at aol.com wrote:
> >>In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
> >>
> >>I am undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing
> >>that does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both
> >>apparently coincided with drills for those exact same scenarios.
> >>
> >>Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the middle when it
> >>didn't even take a hit.
> >>
> >>I did read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the
> >>one about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy
> >>the steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,
> >>the steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural
> >> deformation,
> >>not actual destruction.
> >>
> >>
> >>As for the Pentagon hit. I was under the impression these "guys"
> >>just half ass flew this plane and plopped it down on top of the
> >>pentagon- come to find out, whatever hit the pentagon hit the very
> >>front of it going top speed and parallel to the ground flying
> >>parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live maybe 20 mins from
> >>the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt anyone I
> >>know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit who
> >>believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground full
> >>speed and hit it like it did- I know someone who worked at the
> >>pentagon  then and someone who works right next to it and the def
> >>dont believe it. Not even with a highly trained pilot what to speak
> >>of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, why would anyone go
> >>about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying at top
> >>speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly down
> >>on it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit it
> >>proceeded to punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings which
> >>is tons of concrete and steel..there wasn't any huge explosion or
> >>big initial mess.
> >>  Now although no one believes it, no one also really wants to take
> >> it to the next step and say "well then what was it and why"? -
> >> That's a whole other can of worms.
> >>  Also first accounts of sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the
> >> pentagon was that a small ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very
> >> low to the ground at a very high speed was heading in that direction.
> >>  I knew of the Pentagon inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until
> >> later that I heard of the WTC issues and inconsistencies (most
> >> people only hear about the WTC part of it). The more common things
> >> mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of smoke etc) are really just one part
> >> of it- those could go either way if you really looked at it- if
> >> those were the only things a little fishy then it could be a toss
> >> up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)- The
> >> WTC7 of course very much is but there is much more then even that.
> >>  I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over
> >> reacting and looking into things that weren't there if I didn't
> >> look into it some myself. In order to really do so you have to look
> >> into it more then what "Penn and Teller" have to say and also get
> >> past our own cognitive dissonance.
> >>  I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the accounts
> >> and saw the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a non
> >> believer who went and did all of that and still remained a non believer.
> >>I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my government
> >>has hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any good to
> >>have that be the fact if it is the case...
> >>  Though if something smells like a rat right in front of my face, I
> >> cant discount it just because it doesn't do me any good or not fit
> >> into my present belief system...
> >>
> >>
> >>Adam Helfer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----------
> >>Get trade secrets for amazing burgers.
> >><http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&N 
> CID=aolfod00030000000002>Watch
> >>"Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Gathering mailing list
> >>Gathering at misera.net
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> >
> > Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
> > Darwinism.
> > We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> > else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> > contribute
> > to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> > unethical, while
> > a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> > spirit of diversity,
> > inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> > Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> > player.
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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 09:01:59 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:01:59 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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your right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes!
 
milinda
 
milinda


From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama



Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama









Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:
You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...k.w.San Diego----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PMSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.>> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into > English, and newspaper printed them.>> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, > suppressed.>> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.>> -Oliver>> ade wrote:>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. >> Whereas>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...>>>>>> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> _______________________________________________Gathering mailing listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering



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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Jun  5 09:05:03 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:05:03 +1200
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
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Yeah I?ll read you the boy who cried Wolfowitz?

 

 

   _____  

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 12:55 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)

 

Can you read it to me as a bed time story?
I love fairy tales! :)

Cheers,
Me

At 04:40 AM 6/5/2008, Brendan wrote:



The Wiki article on 9/11 conspiracy theories mentions that Popular
Mechanics article in particluar as being criticised itself:

HYPERLINK
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories"http://en.wikipedia.or
g/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories

"While not supporting theories that the Twin Towers were brought down by
pre-planted explosives, James Quintiere, Ph.D., the former Chief of the
Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and
Technology and who was a Popular Mechanics panel member for their
debunking of 9/11 Truth article disagreed with their conclusions. Calling
for NIST's investigation to be peer reviewed and for researchers and
engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses he stated "The
official conclusion NIST arrived at is questionable?.I hope to convince
you to perhaps become Conspiracy Theorists, but in a proper way"

DISCLAIMER: I haven't read the Popular Mechanics article or the guy
debunking it, if someone else can and give me the Cliff notes I'd be much
obliged (and less exerted ;)

(Towards the bottom under the heading "Criticism"

> You might find this interesting.
> HYPERLINK
"http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html"http:/
/www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html 
>
> Have a glance in your spare time.
>
> Cheers,
> Me
>
> At 11:14 PM 6/4/2008, Devacor at aol.com wrote:
>>In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
>>
>>I am undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing
>>that does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both
>>apparently coincided with drills for those exact same scenarios.
>>
>>Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the middle when it
>>didn't even take a hit.
>>
>>I did read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the
>>one about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy
>>the steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,
>>the steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural
>> deformation,
>>not actual destruction.
>>
>>
>>As for the Pentagon hit. I was under the impression these "guys"
>>just half ass flew this plane and plopped it down on top of the
>>pentagon- come to find out, whatever hit the pentagon hit the very
>>front of it going top speed and parallel to the ground flying
>>parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live maybe 20 mins from
>>the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt anyone I
>>know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit who
>>believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground full
>>speed and hit it like it did- I know someone who worked at the
>>pentagon  then and someone who works right next to it and the def
>>dont believe it. Not even with a highly trained pilot what to speak
>>of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, why would anyone go
>>about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying at top
>>speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly down
>>on it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit it
>>proceeded to punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings which
>>is tons of concrete and steel..there wasn't any huge explosion or
>>big initial mess.
>>  Now although no one believes it, no one also really wants to take
>> it to the next step and say "well then what was it and why"? -
>> That's a whole other can of worms.
>>  Also first accounts of sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the
>> pentagon was that a small ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very
>> low to the ground at a very high speed was heading in that direction.
>>  I knew of the Pentagon inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until
>> later that I heard of the WTC issues and inconsistencies (most
>> people only hear about the WTC part of it). The more common things
>> mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of smoke etc) are really just one part
>> of it- those could go either way if you really looked at it- if
>> those were the only things a little fishy then it could be a toss
>> up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)- The
>> WTC7 of course very much is but there is much more then even that.
>>  I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over
>> reacting and looking into things that weren't there if I didn't
>> look into it some myself. In order to really do so you have to look
>> into it more then what "Penn and Teller" have to say and also get
>> past our own cognitive dissonance.
>>  I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the accounts
>> and saw the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a non
>> believer who went and did all of that and still remained a non believer.
>>I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my government
>>has hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any good to
>>have that be the fact if it is the case...
>>  Though if something smells like a rat right in front of my face, I
>> cant discount it just because it doesn't do me any good or not fit
>> into my present belief system...
>>
>>
>>Adam Helfer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----------
>>Get trade secrets for amazing burgers.
>><HYPERLINK
"http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002"
http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002 >Watch
>>"Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
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>>HYPERLINK "http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering"
http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>
> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
> Darwinism.
> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> player.
> _______________________________________________
> Gathering mailing list
> Gathering at misera.net
> HYPERLINK
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t/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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Darwinism.
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else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is unethical,
while
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diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 09:06:38 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:06:38 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
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hi jennean
 
that must of been a pain,dont worry,i am always foregtting things,its normal in my world ;D
 
theres no rush,i can wait,so in your own time ,and thanks in advance ;)
 
milinda


Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:10:35 +0100From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght



No probs.  I'll let you know when the download has completed.  Which may be some time as I forgot to turn the home PC on this morning when I left for work.  Killjoys have stopped us downloading here :-(


From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of melinda grantSent: 04 June 2008 20:28To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght
me too if you have the time,though theres no rush ;) milinda and mik raven


From: gregslawson at msn.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:08:17 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght

Just heard "The Only ONe" Is that from the new album? It sounded pretty decent.> From: a.madani at anirrationaldomain.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:03:05 -0400> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > I would love one. Thanks!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janean Lancaster" <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:01 PM> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > > Found the Hollywood show on Dimeadozen, downloading it now - I'm interested > to hear those 2 new tracks.> > Here is the link. (Someone's also uploaded a photo.) If you can't get on > and want a copy let me know.> > http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199367&page=0#startcomments> > Cheers,> Janean> > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of LONESTYLE> > I think "Bloodflowers" is an excellent album and poorly accepted by some, > but to each his own right? ;)> > It is so strange that the L.A. Times did not review both Cure shows here in > Los Angeles? There is nothing online too on their page. They always have > reviewed their gigs here when they have played.> > Cheers,> > - LB> > > > In a message dated 06/03/08 00:53:45 Pacific Daylight Time, > Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:> > <<< second song "Prayers For Rain" which is one of my favorites >>>> > Mine too, I get goosebumps just thinking about when I saw/heard that one > live.> > <<< Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back > in the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit like "Wish" > like Porl never left. >>>> > >From the two new songs I heard, I thought one of them sounded like something > off Bloodflowers. Which is a compliment, I might add. Much underrated > album.> > <<< You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many > people sit down in their sits during that one. HA! >>>> > Yes, I was hoping we wouldn't get "treated" to that one too, seeing as it > was a Thursday...> > Cheers,> Janean> > ________________________________> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of LONESTYLE> Sent: 02 June 2008 19:17> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > > We were walking up when they were doing the new song and opener "Underneath > the stars'' which sounded cool so we caught the second song "Prayers For > Rain" which is one of my favorites. I was looking for "Palinsong" as a > opener too and they have been doing it on some of the stops but not this > time which was fine. The sound was great and I never go to outdoor shows due > to the crowds and shitty bands that open at times.> > Yes, I hope the new album is better than the last now that Porl is back in > the band again for the 3 rd time. The new songs sound a bit like "Wish" > like Porl never left.> > You know we can't stand that song "Friday I'm in Love" and we saw many > people sit down in their sits during that one. HA!> > Glad to post it. :)> > ~ LB> > In a message dated 06/02/08 02:08:09 Pacific Daylight Time, > Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:> > Cool! They only did 2 new songs when I saw them back in March and these > newer ones sound more exciting - must be good if they opened the show with > one. (Although I'd have been a bit miffed missing Plainsong - surely > nothing can top that as a Cure show opener.)> > Really looking forward to the new album. Hope it's better than the last > one. Which wasn't bad, to be fair, but was tainted for me by that awful > first track.> > Cheers for posting,> Janean> > ________________________________> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On > Behalf Of LONESTYLE> Sent: 01 June 2008 18:54> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] OT: The Cure @ The Hollywood Bowl Last NIght> > > > So we saw The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl and they were great! The > only qualms I had were they played not enough of 17 secs. , Faith , > Pornography, and The Top. When they played 100 Years the screen behind them > had all these old photos from World War 2 and I thought it fitted Discharge > more then them but it looked really cool though! They threw about 5 new > songs into their 35 song set and the last song which is new before the 4 > encores was "Baby Dog Rag Book" which sounded like something off of KJ's > "Night time"! kid you not, we were tripping on that. The best new song yet! > Anyway it had to be sold out and there were more normal people there it > seemed then Goths & Punks. I did not see so many. Here is the setlist if > you Cure fans want to check out....> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/may3108.html> > ~ LB> > > In a message dated 05/31/08 14:01:48 Pacific Daylight Time, > nomeanswhat at gmail.com writes:> > but unfortunately (or not) my penis can't play my mp3's...> ;)> > > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:> > > iPhone? Oh fuck no! The ultimate gadget is your own penis ;)> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On > Behalf Of n0153 jr> Sent: 31 May 2008 03:04> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > I owned and own every videogame imaginable (except for the microsoft ones) > and I still don't have a mobile...> Might get an iPhone next year or so... but fuck.... wanna talk to me? call > me at home or send an email for Christ's sake, phone is a thing of the past > (typed while glancing at the sky)...> > jr> > > > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> > wrote:> > > 30th B-day, if ever ;)> > > > ________________________________> > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:23 -0700> > From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com> To: gathering at misera.net> > Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > I never had that stuff in my room but it was a different world then. > Multi-media is so much more a part of everyday life now and you can't or > shouldn't hide from it. By the same token, you shouldn't go completely > overboard with it. We've got a TV in my 2-year old daughter's room. It > really only gets used in the morning. She can watch Dora the Explorer while > she drinks her milk or juice. The real issue i'm worried about is a cell > phone. When does she get one? 12? 6? Her 3rd birthday?> > > http://www.nightruiner.com> http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25:50 PM> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > Why do parents put that shit in kids rooms? Tellies, consoles, etc, etc. > Mental.> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On > Behalf Of iPat> Sent: 27 May 2008 12:36> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in my videogame> > > ive met the rasta who makes GTA. A quiet unassuming guy training in > Brazilian Jiu Jitsu who was very perturbed when i told him i noticed a great > improvement in my sons behaviour when i stopped him playing the game after > removing his console from the room after a bout of unreasonable behaviour.> > > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:45 AM, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:> > > yeah, well... I'm over 30 and I still play them... having said that...> > I was playing tonight the latest GTA4 (Grand Theft Auto) on my Playstation3 > and as soon as I headed into one of the game's strip joints this song struck > me with familiarity... due to it being so out of the blue it took me quite a > while to recognize it... fuck me, it's Killing Joke! what surprised me even > more was the fact that it wasn't any of their new stuff, it was Turn to > Red... gotta say, fitted the mood perfectly...> > a> > > > ________________________________> > Change the world with e-mail. 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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 09:11:20 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:11:20 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
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brendan,your up late or should that be very eaerly ;)
 
hope theres not another 9/11 in the future under obama(bin laden)  sorry thats a real poor joke ;P


From: bq at soundgardener.co.nzTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:05:03 +1200Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)








Yeah I?ll read you the boy who cried Wolfowitz?
 
 




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The ExorcistSent: Friday, 6 June 2008 12:55 a.m.To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
 
Can you read it to me as a bed time story?I love fairy tales! :)Cheers,MeAt 04:40 AM 6/5/2008, Brendan wrote:
The Wiki article on 9/11 conspiracy theories mentions that PopularMechanics article in particluar as being criticised itself:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories"While not supporting theories that the Twin Towers were brought down bypre-planted explosives, James Quintiere, Ph.D., the former Chief of theFire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards andTechnology and who was a Popular Mechanics panel member for theirdebunking of 9/11 Truth article disagreed with their conclusions. Callingfor NIST's investigation to be peer reviewed and for researchers andengineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses he stated "Theofficial conclusion NIST arrived at is questionable?.I hope to convinceyou to perhaps become Conspiracy Theorists, but in a proper way"DISCLAIMER: I haven't read the Popular Mechanics article or the guydebunking it, if someone else can and give me the Cliff notes I'd be muchobliged (and less exerted ;)(Towards the bottom under the heading "Criticism"> You might find this interesting.> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html >> Have a glance in your spare time.>> Cheers,> Me>> At 11:14 PM 6/4/2008, Devacor at aol.com wrote:>>In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:>>>>I am undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing>>that does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both>>apparently coincided with drills for those exact same scenarios.>>>>Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the middle when it>>didn't even take a hit.>>>>I did read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the>>one about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy>>the steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,>>the steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural>> deformation,>>not actual destruction.>>>>>>As for the Pentagon hit. I was under the impression these "guys">>just half ass flew this plane and plopped it down on top of the>>pentagon- come to find out, whatever hit the pentagon hit the very>>front of it going top speed and parallel to the ground flying>>parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live maybe 20 mins from>>the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt anyone I>>know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit who>>believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground full>>speed and hit it like it did- I know someone who worked at the>>pentagon  then and someone who works right next to it and the def>>dont believe it. Not even with a highly trained pilot what to speak>>of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, why would anyone go>>about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying at top>>speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly down>>on it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit it>>proceeded to punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings which>>is tons of concrete and steel..there wasn't any huge explosion or>>big initial mess.>>  Now although no one believes it, no one also really wants to take>> it to the next step and say "well then what was it and why"? ->> That's a whole other can of worms.>>  Also first accounts of sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the>> pentagon was that a small ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very>> low to the ground at a very high speed was heading in that direction.>>  I knew of the Pentagon inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until>> later that I heard of the WTC issues and inconsistencies (most>> people only hear about the WTC part of it). The more common things>> mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of smoke etc) are really just one part>> of it- those could go either way if you really looked at it- if>> those were the only things a little fishy then it could be a toss>> up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)- The>> WTC7 of course very much is but there is much more then even that.>>  I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over>> reacting and looking into things that weren't there if I didn't>> look into it some myself. In order to really do so you have to look>> into it more then what "Penn and Teller" have to say and also get>> past our own cognitive dissonance.>>  I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the accounts>> and saw the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a non>> believer who went and did all of that and still remained a non believer.>>I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my government>>has hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any good to>>have that be the fact if it is the case...>>  Though if something smells like a rat right in front of my face, I>> cant discount it just because it doesn't do me any good or not fit>> into my present belief system...>>>>>>Adam Helfer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---------->>Get trade secrets for amazing burgers.>>< http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002 >Watch>>"Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.>>_______________________________________________>>Gathering mailing list>>Gathering at misera.net>> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering>> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social> Darwinism.> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers> contribute> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is> unethical, while> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. 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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Thu Jun  5 10:05:15 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:05:15 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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It would be good to see the fucker sniped.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 05 June 2008 14:02
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


your right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes!
 
milinda
 
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From: karen.weil at sddt.com
To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven <mailto:mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk>  
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

	

	

Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
	




On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:



You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

k.w.
San Diego
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
> Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
> warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
> unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
> Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
>
> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
> secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
> restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
> asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
> WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
> his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
> English, and newspaper printed them.
>
> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
> bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
> were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
> for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
> caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
> these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
> Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
> suppressed.
>
> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
> Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
>
> -Oliver
>
> ade wrote:
>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
>> Whereas
>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
>>
>>
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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 10:14:06 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:14:06 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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you got the craft ade ;D? i will supply the weapons of  distruction with magwabwas name wrote on there ;P exspecially for the git!
 
milinda


Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:05:15 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama



It would be good to see the fucker sniped.

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grantSent: 05 June 2008 14:02To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obamayour right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes! milinda milinda


From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama









Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:
You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...k.w.San Diego----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PMSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.>> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into > English, and newspaper printed them.>> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, > suppressed.>> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.>> -Oliver>> ade wrote:>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. >> Whereas>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...>>>>>> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> _______________________________________________Gathering mailing listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering


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From Partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Thu Jun  5 11:30:56 2008
From: Partyslammer at socal.rr.com (T.B.)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:30:56 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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"bongo" wrote:

> dont be sorry...   =)
> i cant change your mind, but i hope at least you keep it open, as i do...

Heh heh, yeeeeaaaahhh, right.

> any idea where the plane went that hit the pentagon??  (no trace of it)

Plenty of parts of the plane (and passengers) were recovered and in fact 
during the initial real time news broadcasts, several small parts of the 
plane could be seen scattered on the lawn in front of the Pentagon.

> why did WTC7 go down?? (it was professionally demolished)

WTC7 eventually collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11 due to damage it 
sustained from falling debris from the towers.

> what about that other plane that was shot down? no wreckage no bodies?

Again, not true.  Of course, most of the pulverized wreckage and human 
remains had to be dug out of that crater in the field.

> the one that crashed into the countryside somewhere.. left just a hole
> in the ground... hmmm?

Considering the plane plummeted straight down at near full throttle into the 
ground, well, a couple classes in basic Physics might better explain why 
just a blackened crater was the only easily visible sign the plane went 
down.

> basic questions - no basic answers...
> THE OFFICIAL STORY IS BOLLOX!

Of course.

> sorry to dredge this up again, but my questions are still relevant and
> to my mind, unanswered...
> FUCK the braindead norm,
> I WILL REFUSE!

You will refuse to acknowledge the facts, is what you mean.

All your conspiracy talking points are easily addressed with readily 
available information.

T.B. 


From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun  5 11:35:34 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:35:34 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
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Anyone post/see this incredible vintage YouTube clip of Bo Diddley? He's 
laying down some mean, nasty, downright proto-metal crunchy, palm-muted 
power chords in this thing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zBAJXyF1HVc

Good stuff


-Oliver



From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 11:45:03 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:45:03 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
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References: <c74.2dbbf37e.3578b427@aol.com><0K1Z0002R5ON4X11@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><1088.60.234.228.138.1212655231.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
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lol


From: bq at soundgardener.co.nzTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:05:03 +1200Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)








Yeah I?ll read you the boy who cried Wolfowitz?
 
 




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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 12:02:22 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:02:22 -0700
Subject: [kj] Mugabe
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080605/ap_on_re_af/zimbabwe;_ylt=AkGXJeXg2tsekXtlTkn3nqqs0NUE
 
don't forget the gold.....


From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:14:06 +0100Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


you got the craft ade ;D? i will supply the weapons of  distruction with magwabwas name wrote on there ;P exspecially for the git! milinda


Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:05:15 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


It would be good to see the fucker sniped.

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grantSent: 05 June 2008 14:02To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obamayour right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes! milinda milinda


From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama









Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:
You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...k.w.San Diego----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PMSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.>> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into > English, and newspaper printed them.>> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, > suppressed.>> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.>> -Oliver>> ade wrote:>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. >> Whereas>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...>>>>>> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> _______________________________________________Gathering mailing listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:06:45 -0700
Subject: [kj] [OT] We KNOW Bush and his cronies lied
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http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0540864220080605
 
Sick of reading this stuff now. After 8 years, put the cnut on trial!
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From lonestyle at aol.com  Thu Jun  5 13:38:09 2008
From: lonestyle at aol.com (LONESTYLE)
Date: Thu,  5 Jun 2008 10:38:09 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT wall art
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Nice site Alexandra! 

I can dig it! :)

~ LB



In a message dated 06/05/08 03:21:10 Pacific Daylight Time, Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:
Cripes, that's a bit good!




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Alexandra Tolksdorf
Sent: 04 June 2008 19:08
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
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http://www.vimeo.com/993998

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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Thu Jun  5 13:49:57 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:49:57 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC043769@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
Message-ID: <002d01c8c734$916b8a30$4601010a@edweil>

Hi, Milinda and ade:

Rather than assassinating Mugabe, he should be arrested on war crimes and corruption, and put on trial. He has single-handidly destroyed a once-prosperous and vital nation. 
(yeah, I know that will never happen, but it would be the civilized and truly just thing to do.)
Unfortunately, other African countries, still bitter about how the West has used them, will not do the right thing and force that kleptocratic scumbag out of office. South Africa's leader is especially guilty in this. 
Let's keep the beleagured Zimbabweans in our hearts, and pray for positive change!

k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ade 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


  It would be good to see the fucker sniped.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
    Sent: 05 June 2008 14:02
    To: gathering at misera.net
    Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


    your right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes!
     
    milinda
     
    milinda




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      From: karen.weil at sddt.com
      To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.net
      Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700
      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 

      k.w.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Mik Raven 
        To: gathering at misera.net 
        Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
        Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


              
             

              Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
             




        On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:


          You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
          started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

          k.w.
          San Diego
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
          To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
          <gathering at misera.net>
          Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
          Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


          > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
          > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
          > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
          > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
          > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
          >
          > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
          > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
          > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
          > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
          > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
          > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
          > English, and newspaper printed them.
          >
          > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
          > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
          > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
          > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
          > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
          > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
          > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
          > suppressed.
          >
          > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
          > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
          >
          > -Oliver
          >
          > ade wrote:
          >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
          >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
          >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
          >> Whereas
          >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
          >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
          >>
          >>
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Thu Jun  5 13:52:24 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:52:24 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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You said it, ade. 

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sade1 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


        > Saddam was....much nearer to being on 'our' side 



        'Nearer' is putting it kindly. Saddam started off as an agent for the CIA.


         

        ... ... ... ... ... ... 
        (looking at the current state of things)

        'Save me..                                                
         save me from Tomorrow..                          
         I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   


        --- On Wed, 6/4/08, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

          From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
          Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
          To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
          Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 1:53 PM


I'm not even thinking about our reliance on oil, I just think if we get
out now, the place will become warlord/tribe controlled. I think anyone
who calls for removal of troops now doesn't give a shit about the people
left behind.

As soon as we went in, that was the death-sentence for any withdrawal
for YEARS. What a total fuck-up.

You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising.
Whereas
the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
nutfucks. We've trained them up...


-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of T.B.
Sent: 04 June 2008 16:40
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


"ade" wrote:


> Do you think the US should pull out of Iraq, asap ?

IMO, yeah, sure we should get out of the country asap.  The problem is, we 
can't.

We really screwed the pooch invading that country and severely 
underestimated the ability of the people there to become self-starters and 
govern themselves.  Not to mention our presence created a convenient place 
for every anti-American faction to gather, organize and fight us on 
basically their home ground further destabilizing the place.  Now, the 
moment we start pulling out in significant numbers, you'll see hardcore 
Islamic fanatics like the Taliban taking up the slack and overthrowing 
whatever fragile government might be in place and taking the country back to 
the stone age.

With oil at an all time high with no end in sight, any further major 
destabilization in global fuel sources will be catastrophic to the world 
economy.  Thus, while there may be a significant drawdown in combat troops 
in the next 5 years, we'll likely have a permanent military presence in the

region for decades to come.  With countries like China gobbling up more and 
more oil, there basically *has* to be a Western (translation: US) military 
presence in the region to prevent a full tilt invasion somewhere down the 
line from China or even Russia.

T.B. 

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From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:13:45 -0700
Subject: [kj] Mugabe
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http://www.dfid.gov.uk/countries/africa/zimbabwe.asp
 
 


From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:02:22 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Mugabe


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080605/ap_on_re_af/zimbabwe;_ylt=AkGXJeXg2tsekXtlTkn3nqqs0NUE don't forget the gold.....


From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:14:06 +0100Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

you got the craft ade ;D? i will supply the weapons of  distruction with magwabwas name wrote on there ;P exspecially for the git! milinda


Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:05:15 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


It would be good to see the fucker sniped.

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grantSent: 05 June 2008 14:02To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obamayour right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes! milinda milinda


From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama









Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:
You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...k.w.San Diego----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PMSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.>> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into > English, and newspaper printed them.>> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, > suppressed.>> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.>> -Oliver>> ade wrote:>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. >> Whereas>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...>>>>>> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> _______________________________________________Gathering mailing listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 14:17:05 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:17:05 +0100
Subject: [kj] Mugabe
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that cretin and his supporters just make me  want to vomit--ade you warned up that engin :D)))) !!!


From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:02:22 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Mugabe


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080605/ap_on_re_af/zimbabwe;_ylt=AkGXJeXg2tsekXtlTkn3nqqs0NUE don't forget the gold.....


From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:14:06 +0100Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

you got the craft ade ;D? i will supply the weapons of  distruction with magwabwas name wrote on there ;P exspecially for the git! milinda


Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:05:15 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


It would be good to see the fucker sniped.

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grantSent: 05 June 2008 14:02To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obamayour right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes! milinda milinda


From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

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Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:
You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...k.w.San Diego----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PMSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.>> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into > English, and newspaper printed them.>> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, > suppressed.>> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.>> -Oliver>> ade wrote:>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. >> Whereas>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...>>>>>> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> _______________________________________________Gathering mailing listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:30:19 +0100
Subject: [kj] [OT] We KNOW Bush and his cronies lied
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that would be the best court case ever this centry,better even then that one with clinton in 1999
 
milinda ps    ;D))))) LOL  LOL--i did not have  sexual-relations with that woman--quote clinton refuring to that affair he had with monika lewinski!!
 
watching that was one of the biggest laughs of that year ;) i mean,everyone knew he has,had an affair,apart from clinton LOL
............................
thanks for posting those interesting articles folky ;)


From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:06:45 -0700Subject: [kj] [OT] We KNOW Bush and his cronies lied


http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0540864220080605 Sick of reading this stuff now. After 8 years, put the cnut on trial!

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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Thu Jun  5 14:57:25 2008
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:57:25 -0400
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ROFL!
Good one mate!

Cheers,
Me

<---- goes humbly to the corner.

At 09:05 AM 6/5/2008, Brendan Quinn wrote:
>Yeah I?ll read you the boy who cried Wolfowitz

>
>
>
>----------
>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 
>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist
>Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 12:55 a.m.
>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
>
>Can you read it to me as a bed time story?
>I love fairy tales! :)
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>At 04:40 AM 6/5/2008, Brendan wrote:
>
>The Wiki article on 9/11 conspiracy theories mentions that Popular
>Mechanics article in particluar as being criticised itself:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories
>
>"While not supporting theories that the Twin Towers were brought down by
>pre-planted explosives, James Quintiere, Ph.D., the former Chief of the
>Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and
>Technology and who was a Popular Mechanics panel member for their
>debunking of 9/11 Truth article disagreed with their conclusions. Calling
>for NIST's investigation to be peer reviewed and for researchers and
>engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses he stated "The
>official conclusion NIST arrived at is questionable
.I hope to convince
>you to perhaps become Conspiracy Theorists, but in a proper way"
>
>DISCLAIMER: I haven't read the Popular Mechanics article or the guy
>debunking it, if someone else can and give me the Cliff notes I'd be much
>obliged (and less exerted ;)
>
>(Towards the bottom under the heading "Criticism"
>
> > You might find this interesting.
> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
> >
> > Have a glance in your spare time.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Me
> >
> > At 11:14 PM 6/4/2008, Devacor at aol.com wrote:
> >>In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:
> >>
> >>I am undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing
> >>that does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both
> >>apparently coincided with drills for those exact same scenarios.
> >>
> >>Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the middle when it
> >>didn't even take a hit.
> >>
> >>I did read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the
> >>one about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy
> >>the steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,
> >>the steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural
> >> deformation,
> >>not actual destruction.
> >>
> >>
> >>As for the Pentagon hit. I was under the impression these "guys"
> >>just half ass flew this plane and plopped it down on top of the
> >>pentagon- come to find out, whatever hit the pentagon hit the very
> >>front of it going top speed and parallel to the ground flying
> >>parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live maybe 20 mins from
> >>the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt anyone I
> >>know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit who
> >>believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground full
> >>speed and hit it like it did- I know someone who worked at the
> >>pentagon  then and someone who works right next to it and the def
> >>dont believe it. Not even with a highly trained pilot what to speak
> >>of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, why would anyone go
> >>about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying at top
> >>speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly down
> >>on it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit it
> >>proceeded to punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings which
> >>is tons of concrete and steel..there wasn't any huge explosion or
> >>big initial mess.
> >>  Now although no one believes it, no one also really wants to take
> >> it to the next step and say "well then what was it and why"? -
> >> That's a whole other can of worms.
> >>  Also first accounts of sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the
> >> pentagon was that a small ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very
> >> low to the ground at a very high speed was heading in that direction.
> >>  I knew of the Pentagon inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until
> >> later that I heard of the WTC issues and inconsistencies (most
> >> people only hear about the WTC part of it). The more common things
> >> mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of smoke etc) are really just one part
> >> of it- those could go either way if you really looked at it- if
> >> those were the only things a little fishy then it could be a toss
> >> up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)- The
> >> WTC7 of course very much is but there is much more then even that.
> >>  I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over
> >> reacting and looking into things that weren't there if I didn't
> >> look into it some myself. In order to really do so you have to look
> >> into it more then what "Penn and Teller" have to say and also get
> >> past our own cognitive dissonance.
> >>  I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the accounts
> >> and saw the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a non
> >> believer who went and did all of that and still remained a non believer.
> >>I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my government
> >>has hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any good to
> >>have that be the fact if it is the case...
> >>  Though if something smells like a rat right in front of my face, I
> >> cant discount it just because it doesn't do me any good or not fit
> >> into my present belief system...
> >>
> >>
> >>Adam Helfer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Jun  5 16:48:35 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:48:35 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
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Haha, yeah best I could do at the time. Was up late because I had a
meeting with my incredibly useless ex lawyer who lost me a small fortune,
was going through all of that crap. Hard to get to sleep with my head
spinning with all the bullshit. Anyways looking like I might be able to
clean up his mess to some extent.

"Liar lawyer what's ths difference"

-Tool, The Pot.

>
> brendan,your up late or should that be very eaerly ;)
>
> hope theres not another 9/11 in the future under obama(bin laden)  sorry
> thats a real poor joke ;P
>
>
> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nzTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 6 Jun 2008
> 01:05:03 +1200Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah I?ll read you the boy who cried Wolfowitz

>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> On Behalf Of The ExorcistSent: Friday, 6 June 2008 12:55 a.m.To: A list
> about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats
> Obama/(9/11)
>
> Can you read it to me as a bed time story?I love fairy tales!
> :)Cheers,MeAt 04:40 AM 6/5/2008, Brendan wrote:
> The Wiki article on 9/11 conspiracy theories mentions that
> PopularMechanics article in particluar as being criticised
> itself:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories"While not
> supporting theories that the Twin Towers were brought down bypre-planted
> explosives, James Quintiere, Ph.D., the former Chief of theFire Science
> Division of the National Institute of Standards andTechnology and who was
> a Popular Mechanics panel member for theirdebunking of 9/11 Truth article
> disagreed with their conclusions. Callingfor NIST's investigation to be
> peer reviewed and for researchers andengineers to scientifically
> re-examine the WTC collapses he stated "Theofficial conclusion NIST
> arrived at is questionable
.I hope to convinceyou to perhaps become
> Conspiracy Theorists, but in a proper way"DISCLAIMER: I haven't read the
> Popular Mechanics article or the guydebunking it, if someone else can and
> give me the Cliff notes I'd be muchobliged (and less exerted ;)(Towards
> the bottom under the heading "Criticism"> You might find this
> interesting.>
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html >>
> Have a glance in your spare time.>> Cheers,> Me>> At 11:14 PM 6/4/2008,
> Devacor at aol.com wrote:>>In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern
> Daylight Time,>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:>>>>I am undecided on the
> whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing>>that does seem strange
> is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both>>apparently coincided with
> drills for those exact same scenarios.>>>>Also a bit strange that WTC7
> collapsed, right down the middle when it>>didn't even take a hit.>>>>I did
> read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the>>one
> about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy>>the
> steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,>>the
> steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural>>
> deformation,>>not actual destruction.>>>>>>As for the Pentagon hit. I was
> under the impression these "guys">>just half ass flew this plane and
> plopped it down on top of the>>pentagon- come to find out, whatever hit
> the pentagon hit the very>>front of it going top speed and parallel to the
> ground flying>>parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live maybe 20
> mins from>>the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt
> anyone I>>know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit
> who>>believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground
> full>>speed and hit it like it did- I know someone who worked at
> the>>pentagon  then and someone who works right next to it and the
> def>>dont believe it. Not even with a highly trained pilot what to
> speak>>of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, why would anyone
> go>>about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying at
> top>>speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly
> down>>on it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit
> it>>proceeded to punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings
> which>>is tons of concrete and steel..there wasn't any huge explosion
> or>>big initial mess.>>  Now although no one believes it, no one also
> really wants to take>> it to the next step and say "well then what was it
> and why"? ->> That's a whole other can of worms.>>  Also first accounts of
> sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the>> pentagon was that a small
> ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very>> low to the ground at a very high
> speed was heading in that direction.>>  I knew of the Pentagon
> inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until>> later that I heard of the WTC
> issues and inconsistencies (most>> people only hear about the WTC part of
> it). The more common things>> mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of smoke etc) are
> really just one part>> of it- those could go either way if you really
> looked at it- if>> those were the only things a little fishy then it could
> be a toss>> up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)-
> The>> WTC7 of course very much is but there is much more then even that.>>
>  I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over>> reacting and
> looking into things that weren't there if I didn't>> look into it some
> myself. In order to really do so you have to look>> into it more then what
> "Penn and Teller" have to say and also get>> past our own cognitive
> dissonance.>>  I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the
> accounts>> and saw the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a
> non>> believer who went and did all of that and still remained a non
> believer.>>I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my
> government>>has hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any
> good to>>have that be the fact if it is the case...>>  Though if something
> smells like a rat right in front of my face, I>> cant discount it just
> because it doesn't do me any good or not fit>> into my present belief
> system...>>>>>>Adam Helfer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---------->>Get trade secrets
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From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:52:57 +0100
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oowwww you poor darling ;(  i feel for you,try hot chocolate made with hot mild,it will send you to sleep and give you good dreams as well ;D good luck with what ever you are doing ok,and dont worry its not worth it ok ;)> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:48:35 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)> > Haha, yeah best I could do at the time. Was up late because I had a> meeting with my incredibly useless ex lawyer who lost me a small fortune,> was going through all of that crap. Hard to get to sleep with my head> spinning with all the bullshit. Anyways looking like I might be able to> clean up his mess to some extent.> > "Liar lawyer what's ths difference"> > -Tool, The Pot.> > >> > brendan,your up late or should that be very eaerly ;)> >> > hope theres not another 9/11 in the future under obama(bin laden) sorry> > thats a real poor joke ;P> >> >> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nzTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 6 Jun 2008> > 01:05:03 +1200Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yeah I?ll read you the boy who cried Wolfowitz?> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]> > On Behalf Of The ExorcistSent: Friday, 6 June 2008 12:55 a.m.To: A list> > about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats> > Obama/(9/11)> >> > Can you read it to me as a bed time story?I love fairy tales!> > :)Cheers,MeAt 04:40 AM 6/5/2008, Brendan wrote:> > The Wiki article on 9/11 conspiracy theories mentions that> > PopularMechanics article in particluar as being criticised> > itself:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories"While not> > supporting theories that the Twin Towers were brought down bypre-planted> > explosives, James Quintiere, Ph.D., the former Chief of theFire Science> > Division of the National Institute of Standards andTechnology and who was> > a Popular Mechanics panel member for theirdebunking of 9/11 Truth article> > disagreed with their conclusions. Callingfor NIST's investigation to be> > peer reviewed and for researchers andengineers to scientifically> > re-examine the WTC collapses he stated "Theofficial conclusion NIST> > arrived at is questionable?.I hope to convinceyou to perhaps become> > Conspiracy Theorists, but in a proper way"DISCLAIMER: I haven't read the> > Popular Mechanics article or the guydebunking it, if someone else can and> > give me the Cliff notes I'd be muchobliged (and less exerted ;)(Towards> > the bottom under the heading "Criticism"> You might find this> > interesting.>> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html >>> > Have a glance in your spare time.>> Cheers,> Me>> At 11:14 PM 6/4/2008,> > Devacor at aol.com wrote:>>In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern> > Daylight Time,>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:>>>>I am undecided on the> > whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing>>that does seem strange> > is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both>>apparently coincided with> > drills for those exact same scenarios.>>>>Also a bit strange that WTC7> > collapsed, right down the middle when it>>didn't even take a hit.>>>>I did> > read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the>>one> > about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy>>the> > steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,>>the> > steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural>>> > deformation,>>not actual destruction.>>>>>>As for the Pentagon hit. I was> > under the impression these "guys">>just half ass flew this plane and> > plopped it down on top of the>>pentagon- come to find out, whatever hit> > the pentagon hit the very>>front of it going top speed and parallel to the> > ground flying>>parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live maybe 20> > mins from>>the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt> > anyone I>>know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit> > who>>believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground> > full>>speed and hit it like it did- I know someone who worked at> > the>>pentagon then and someone who works right next to it and the> > def>>dont believe it. Not even with a highly trained pilot what to> > speak>>of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, why would anyone> > go>>about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying at> > top>>speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly> > down>>on it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit> > it>>proceeded to punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings> > which>>is tons of concrete and steel..there wasn't any huge explosion> > or>>big initial mess.>> Now although no one believes it, no one also> > really wants to take>> it to the next step and say "well then what was it> > and why"? ->> That's a whole other can of worms.>> Also first accounts of> > sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the>> pentagon was that a small> > ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very>> low to the ground at a very high> > speed was heading in that direction.>> I knew of the Pentagon> > inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until>> later that I heard of the WTC> > issues and inconsistencies (most>> people only hear about the WTC part of> > it). The more common things>> mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of smoke etc) are> > really just one part>> of it- those could go either way if you really> > looked at it- if>> those were the only things a little fishy then it could> > be a toss>> up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)-> > The>> WTC7 of course very much is but there is much more then even that.>>> > I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over>> reacting and> > looking into things that weren't there if I didn't>> look into it some> > myself. In order to really do so you have to look>> into it more then what> > "Penn and Teller" have to say and also get>> past our own cognitive> > dissonance.>> I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the> > accounts>> and saw the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a> > non>> believer who went and did all of that and still remained a non> > believer.>>I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my> > government>>has hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any> > good to>>have that be the fact if it is the case...>> Though if something> > smells like a rat right in front of my face, I>> cant discount it just> > because it doesn't do me any good or not fit>> into my present belief> > system...>>>>>>Adam Helfer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---------->>Get trade secrets> > for amazing burgers.>><> > http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002> > >Watch>>"Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL> > Food.>>_______________________________________________>>Gathering mailing> > list>>Gathering at misera.net>>> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering>> Competition is a> > barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social> Darwinism.> We cannot> > allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone> else's> > gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers> contribute>> > to the society and winners take away from it. 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From Devacor at aol.com  Thu Jun  5 17:35:11 2008
From: Devacor at aol.com (Devacor at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:35:11 EDT
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
Message-ID: <c41.37a90957.3579b60f@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 6/5/2008 1:24:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:

You might find this interesting.
_http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html_ 
(http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html)   

Have a glance in your spare  time.

Cheers,
Me

   
Yeah there is much more surrounding 9/11 then what was mentioned in the pop  
mechanics article- those are just some basic points that could be tossed 
around  and go either way- what is mentioned in the that artlicle by no means 
debunks  anything though- there are plenty of counter points. 
 Ironicially enough I got some 9/11 stuff sent to me today. Not trying  to 
bog anyone down (and just some food for thought) but I just quick copied  a few 
things off to show other instances that were peculiar- plenty more, this  is 
just a few...
____________________________________________________________
 
Billions in profits are made off put options shortly before 9/11 wherein  
investors made up to $15 billion in a frenzy of trading betting that certain  
stocks would fall in value over the next few days. These included stocks in the  
two Airlines that would suffer most from 9/11. In fact, the profits were so  
staggering and unprecedented that it caused Bloomberg News to excl.. ?This 
would  be the most extraordinary coincidence in the history of mankind if it was a 
 coincidence. This could very well be insider trading at the worst, most  
horrific, most evil use you?ve ever seen in your entire life. It?s absolutely  
unprecedented."
 
Six months before the 9/11 attacks, the cluster of buildings that  constitute 
the World Trade Center are purchased by a private investor for a  relatively 
paltry sum of $200 million. (That was the first time in its 33-year  history 
the complex had changed ownership). The new owner has the foresight  (again 
miraculous, no doubt) to insure the buildings against terrorist attacks.  The 
buildings were never seen as being profitable. In fact, because of their  
extremely high asbestos content, the structures had actually been condemned. Yet  to 
destroy and rebuild them by conventional means would have been prohibitively  
expensive. It is indeed a miracle that the investor was paid $7 billion by the 
 insurance companies after the attacks. A miraculously handsome return on an  
investment of $200 million.



The owner of the buildings slips up on national television and admits that  
he ordered one of the towers (building 7) to be ?pulled?. A ?Pull??jargon for 
 controlled demolition?requires months of planning and preparation. Yet, no 
one  to this day has asked this man how he managed to achieve this incredible 
feat in  a matter of hours, and amidst the chaos of 9/11. The 9/11 Commission 
surely must  also have assumed this to be a miracle because they did not even 
address this in  their report. That the insurance company paid out 7 billion 
dollars without even  the slightest investigation?even after the owner?s 
admission of a ?pull??only  compounds the magnitude of this miracle.


On the day of the hijackings the US Government is  running drills with its 
Air Force where it is simulating "Multiple Hijackings of  Aircraft" within the 
United States of America. This drill causes great confusion  amongst Air 
Traffic Controllers as it provides a "Cover" for the real  Hijackings. Without these 
drills it is very possible that the Aircraft that were  hijacked could have 
been intercepted far earlier.


 
 






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From angrytomhanks at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 17:37:37 2008
From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com (Leigh Newton)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing
	Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass
Message-ID: <636887.83539.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Isn't Alcoholica a reference to Metallica? It's definitely a Metallica-style logo on the t-shirt.

 http://www.nightruiner.com
http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale


----- Original Message ----
From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 7:10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Indie hipster mag Vice snarks on "old man" wearing Crass jacket, doesn't reealize it's actually a member of Crass

Someone pointed to an interview Vice did with Penny Rimbaud, which ups 
the possibility they knew it was him.

Or the person who wrote the photo captions might have been an entirely 
different person than the interviewer of Penny, different "department" 
or what have you, and just filled the comment in and really didn't know 
who it was. Who knows?

MISHKA NYC fashion frim have designed a pricey t shirt ($31 USD) with a 
Minor Threat logo on it, in news more related to Microsoft's announced 
line of Joy Division mp3 players (!!!). I think people like to fuck with 
Ian MacKaye/Dischord now because they know, a la the Nike shoes 
incident, they can get press out of it.

The Microsoft Joy Division mp3 player and the altered Minor Threat 
fashion t-shirt are both here:

http://www.cultpunk.com/?p=353

-Oliver


Leigh Newton wrote:
> I'd be willing to bet they knew that it was him. I can't imagine not one person on the writing staff wouldn't clue in, especially since the head honchos of that mag are pushing 40. Not a bunch of young punks. Vice can get a little fucking annoying in their giving an instant 10 star album review to anything that comes out on Southern Lord and any dead rapper and whatnot. They're also pretty sharp and I've read more than a few fascinating articles. Plus, the Dos and Don'ts are great. What's more funny than making fun of people?
>
>  http://www.nightruiner.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
>
>
>
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From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 17:37:51 2008
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:37:51 +1200
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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thanks T.B.     (i can capitalise without offending anyone there?!)    =)

of course all i am going on are the doco's i have seen, and they all
seemed somewhat credible...
i wouldnt bet a million dollars on my viewpoint, and i would think you
foolish if you would...
bottom line, bush aint a nice guy, his friends aint nice guys, and i
still dont trust them!







On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:30 AM, T.B. <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> "bongo" wrote:
>
>> dont be sorry...   =)
>> i cant change your mind, but i hope at least you keep it open, as i do...
>
> Heh heh, yeeeeaaaahhh, right.
>
>> any idea where the plane went that hit the pentagon??  (no trace of it)
>
> Plenty of parts of the plane (and passengers) were recovered and in fact
> during the initial real time news broadcasts, several small parts of the
> plane could be seen scattered on the lawn in front of the Pentagon.
>
>> why did WTC7 go down?? (it was professionally demolished)
>
> WTC7 eventually collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11 due to damage it
> sustained from falling debris from the towers.
>
>> what about that other plane that was shot down? no wreckage no bodies?
>
> Again, not true.  Of course, most of the pulverized wreckage and human
> remains had to be dug out of that crater in the field.
>
>> the one that crashed into the countryside somewhere.. left just a hole
>> in the ground... hmmm?
>
> Considering the plane plummeted straight down at near full throttle into the
> ground, well, a couple classes in basic Physics might better explain why
> just a blackened crater was the only easily visible sign the plane went
> down.
>
>> basic questions - no basic answers...
>> THE OFFICIAL STORY IS BOLLOX!
>
> Of course.
>
>> sorry to dredge this up again, but my questions are still relevant and
>> to my mind, unanswered...
>> FUCK the braindead norm,
>> I WILL REFUSE!
>
> You will refuse to acknowledge the facts, is what you mean.
>
> All your conspiracy talking points are easily addressed with readily
> available information.
>
> T.B.
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Thu Jun  5 17:59:25 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:59:25 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
In-Reply-To: <c41.37a90957.3579b60f@aol.com>
References: <c41.37a90957.3579b60f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0K2000AJJFRCW0M0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

I'm not gonna go thru the whole thing here.

However about the foresight thing. That's not 
foresight. It's called learning from history.
You recall something about a big kaboom back in 1993?

It's common sense.

Cheers,
Me

At 05:35 PM 6/5/2008, Devacor at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 6/5/2008 1:24:50 A.M. Eastern 
>Daylight Time, killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:
>You might find this interesting.
>http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
>
>Have a glance in your spare time.
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>
>Yeah there is much more surrounding 9/11 then 
>what was mentioned in the pop mechanics article- 
>those are just some basic points that could be 
>tossed around and go either way- what is 
>mentioned in the that artlicle by no means 
>debunks anything though- there are plenty of counter points.
>  Ironicially enough I got some 9/11 stuff sent 
> to me today. Not trying to bog anyone down (and 
> just some food for thought) but I just quick 
> copied a few things off to show other instances 
> that were peculiar- plenty more, this is just a few...
>____________________________________________________________
>
>Billions in profits are made off put options 
>shortly before 9/11 wherein investors made up to 
>$15 billion in a frenzy of trading betting that 
>certain stocks would fall in value over the next 
>few days. These included stocks in the two 
>Airlines that would suffer most from 9/11. In 
>fact, the profits were so staggering and 
>unprecedented that it caused Bloomberg News to 
>excl.. ???This would be the most extraordinary 
>coincidence in the history of mankind if it was 
>a coincidence. This could very well be insider 
>trading at the worst, most horrific, most evil 
>use you???ve ever seen in your entire life. It???s absolutely unprecedented."
>
>Six months before the 9/11 attacks, the cluster 
>of buildings that constitute the World Trade 
>Center are purchased by a private investor for a 
>relatively paltry sum of $200 million. (That was 
>the first time in its 33-year history the 
>complex had changed ownership). The new owner 
>has the foresight (again miraculous, no doubt) 
>to insure the buildings against terrorist 
>attacks. The buildings were never seen as being 
>profitable. In fact, because of their extremely 
>high asbestos content, the structures had 
>actually been condemned. Yet to destroy and 
>rebuild them by conventional means would have 
>been prohibitively expensive. It is indeed a 
>miracle that the investor was paid $7 billion by 
>the insurance companies after the attacks. A 
>miraculously handsome return on an investment of $200 million.
>
>
>The owner of the buildings slips up on national 
>television and admits that he ordered one of the 
>towers (building 7) to be ???pulled???. A 
>???Pull????jargon for controlled 
>demolition?requires months of planning and 
>preparation. YYet, no one to this day has asked 
>this man how he managed to achieve this 
>incredible feat in a matter of hours, and amidst 
>the chaos of 9/11. The 9/11 Commission surely 
>must also have assumed this to be a miracle 
>because they did not even address this in their 
>report. That the insurance company paid out 7 
>billion dollars without even the slightest 
>investigation?even after the owner???s 
>admissionn of a ???pull????only compounds the magnitude of this miracle.
>
>
>On the day of the hijackings the US Government 
>is running drills with its Air Force where it is 
>simulating "Multiple Hijackings of Aircraft" 
>within the United States of America. This drill 
>causes great confusion amongst Air Traffic 
>Controllers as it provides a "Cover" for the 
>real Hijackings. Without these drills it is very 
>possible that the Aircraft that were hijacked 
>could have been intercepted far earlier.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 18:01:18 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:01:18 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
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that was thomas payne, no? ;)
 


Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:59:25 -0400From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)It's common sense.Cheers,Me
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 18:18:00 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:18:00 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
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or Paine, even ..


From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:01:18 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)


that was thomas payne, no? ;) 


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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Thu Jun  5 18:26:45 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:26:45 -0400
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
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Want an autographed copy? :)

At 06:18 PM 6/5/2008, folk devil wrote:
>or Paine, even ..
>
>
>----------
>From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:01:18 -0700
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
>
>that was thomas payne, no? ;)
>
>
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:59:25 -0400
>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
>
>
>It's common sense.
>
>Cheers,
>Me
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else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. 
Being a winner is unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a 
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From liszyleclercq at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 19:08:25 2008
From: liszyleclercq at hotmail.com (liszy le clercq)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:08:25 +0200
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC
 (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
Message-ID: <BAY101-W5010D85928FC239759796EB9B40@phx.gbl>


Hello there gatherers, I'ts lurking Liz from Amsterdam. For any Dutch gatherers out there who have UPC cable: Geschiedenis kanaal 310 gehele week reruns Gotterdammung 2000 programma uit 1982!. In 3 delen, ik geloof deel 2 zonder een optreden van KJ maar alle 3 interessant! Vannacht is er ook een uitzending. P.S. misschien eens handig om te weten welke gatherers zich in Nederland bevinden. Bij deze mijn poging tot een namenlijst aanleggen. Volgens mij zijn er wel meer 'lurkers'. Laat me maar weten...bvd. Back to English..so saw this great documentary with KJ performing in 1982 on a Dutch TVchannel.Only interesting news for Dutch gatherers. So my KJ ticket update: no tickets in the post yet.Only booked for the London shows but would also like to go to Paris and perhaps Brussels.As most of us diehard fans will probably get tickets for the 2 shows, I think it will give us gatherers a real chance to meet and hang out together. And also to get together to celebrate the life of Raven. Thinking of Graham (woody2shooz) to pick a location in London...(?)
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Thu Jun  5 19:46:51 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:46:51 -0700
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC
	(Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
References: <BAY101-W5010D85928FC239759796EB9B40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c8c766$6d263030$4601010a@edweil>

Hartelijk dank voor het informatie! Veel plezier aan het concert, ja?

k.w.
San Diego
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  From: liszy le clercq 
  To: gathering at misera.net 
  Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:08 PM
  Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)


  Hello there gatherers, I'ts lurking Liz from Amsterdam.
   
  For any Dutch gatherers out there who have UPC cable: Geschiedenis kanaal 310 gehele week reruns Gotterdammung 2000 programma uit 1982!. In 3 delen, ik geloof deel 2 zonder een optreden van KJ maar alle 3 interessant! Vannacht is er ook een uitzending. P.S. misschien eens handig om te weten welke gatherers zich in Nederland bevinden. Bij deze mijn poging tot een namenlijst aanleggen. Volgens mij zijn er wel meer 'lurkers'. Laat me maar weten...bvd.
   
  Back to English..so saw this great documentary with KJ performing in 1982 on a Dutch TVchannel.
  Only interesting news for Dutch gatherers. So my KJ ticket update: no tickets in the post yet.
  Only booked for the London shows but would also like to go to Paris and perhaps Brussels.
  As most of us diehard fans will probably get tickets for the 2 shows, I think it will give us gatherers a real chance to meet and hang out together. And also to get together to celebrate the life of Raven. Thinking of Graham (woody2shooz) to pick a location in London...(?)
  Hoping to hear from you! Lizzzzz    
   



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From liszyleclercq at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 19:56:20 2008
From: liszyleclercq at hotmail.com (liszy le clercq)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:56:20 +0200
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel
	UPC	(Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
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Weil done Karen!


From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:46:51 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)



Hartelijk dank voor het informatie! Veel plezier aan het concert, ja?
 
k.w.
San Diego

----- Original Message ----- 
From: liszy le clercq 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:08 PM
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
Hello there gatherers, I'ts lurking Liz from Amsterdam. For any Dutch gatherers out there who have UPC cable: Geschiedenis kanaal 310 gehele week reruns Gotterdammung 2000 programma uit 1982!. In 3 delen, ik geloof deel 2 zonder een optreden van KJ maar alle 3 interessant! Vannacht is er ook een uitzending. P.S. misschien eens handig om te weten welke gatherers zich in Nederland bevinden. Bij deze mijn poging tot een namenlijst aanleggen. Volgens mij zijn er wel meer 'lurkers'. Laat me maar weten...bvd. Back to English..so saw this great documentary with KJ performing in 1982 on a Dutch TVchannel.Only interesting news for Dutch gatherers. So my KJ ticket update: no tickets in the post yet.Only booked for the London shows but would also like to go to Paris and perhaps Brussels.As most of us diehard fans will probably get tickets for the 2 shows, I think it will give us gatherers a real chance to meet and hang out together. And also to get together to celebrate the life of Raven. Thinking of Graham (woody2shooz) to pick a location in London...(?)Hoping to hear from you! Lizzzzz     

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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Thu Jun  5 19:56:06 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:56:06 -0700
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History
	ChannelUPC	(Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
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Ik voel me blijf dat jij denk het zo, Liz.
(As you can guess by my miserable command of your language, I am not fluent. But I speak a little, and always enjoy the practice. BTW: Just a month ago, I was in Nederland, visiting friends in Noord Brabant.)

Groetjes,

Karen, een Amerikanse vrouw
San Diego

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  From: liszy le clercq 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History ChannelUPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)


  Weil done Karen!



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    To: gathering at misera.net
    Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:46:51 -0700
    Subject: Re: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)


    Hartelijk dank voor het informatie! Veel plezier aan het concert, ja?

    k.w.
    San Diego
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: liszy le clercq 
      To: gathering at misera.net 
      Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:08 PM
      Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)


      Hello there gatherers, I'ts lurking Liz from Amsterdam.
       
      For any Dutch gatherers out there who have UPC cable: Geschiedenis kanaal 310 gehele week reruns Gotterdammung 2000 programma uit 1982!. In 3 delen, ik geloof deel 2 zonder een optreden van KJ maar alle 3 interessant! Vannacht is er ook een uitzending. P.S. misschien eens handig om te weten welke gatherers zich in Nederland bevinden. Bij deze mijn poging tot een namenlijst aanleggen. Volgens mij zijn er wel meer 'lurkers'. Laat me maar weten...bvd.
       
      Back to English..so saw this great documentary with KJ performing in 1982 on a Dutch TVchannel.
      Only interesting news for Dutch gatherers. So my KJ ticket update: no tickets in the post yet.
      Only booked for the London shows but would also like to go to Paris and perhaps Brussels.
      As most of us diehard fans will probably get tickets for the 2 shows, I think it will give us gatherers a real chance to meet and hang out together. And also to get together to celebrate the life of Raven. Thinking of Graham (woody2shooz) to pick a location in London...(?)
      Hoping to hear from you! Lizzzzz    
       



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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 20:08:32 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:08:32 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
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i'll pass, thanks. ;)


Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:26:45 -0400From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)Want an autographed copy? :)At 06:18 PM 6/5/2008, folk devil wrote:
or Paine, even ..



From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:01:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
that was thomas payne, no? ;)
 



Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:59:25 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
It's common sense.
Cheers,
Me


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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 20:56:44 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:56:44 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT wall art
In-Reply-To: <1bb734f2.5e1c.4238.bf72.34674d5651d1@aol.com>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232CFC2@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
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Excellent. Thank you, enoyed this a lot :)
 


Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:38:09 -0700From: lonestyle at aol.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT wall art

Nice site Alexandra! 
 
I can dig it! :)
 
~ LB
 
 
 
In a message dated 06/05/08 03:21:10 Pacific Daylight Time, Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk writes:


Cripes, that's a bit good!


From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Alexandra TolksdorfSent: 04 June 2008 19:08To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] OT wall art





http://www.vimeo.com/993998
 
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Jun  5 22:05:01 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:05:01 +1200
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
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That was nice work on the gat, not that I know shite about it... 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 3:36 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...

Anyone post/see this incredible vintage YouTube clip of Bo Diddley? He's 
laying down some mean, nasty, downright proto-metal crunchy, palm-muted 
power chords in this thing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zBAJXyF1HVc

Good stuff


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From Partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Thu Jun  5 22:08:29 2008
From: Partyslammer at socal.rr.com (T.B.)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:08:29 -0700
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
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"bongo" wrote:

> thanks T.B.     (i can capitalise without offending anyone there?!)    =)
>
> of course all i am going on are the doco's i have seen, and they all
> seemed somewhat credible...
> i wouldnt bet a million dollars on my viewpoint, and i would think you
> foolish if you would...
> bottom line, bush aint a nice guy, his friends aint nice guys, and i
> still dont trust them!

At this point, it's a pretty small minority of Americans who'd disagree with 
you regarding the general opinion of Bush.

The thing I find somewhat amusing regarding many of these 9/11 conspiracy 
theories is, the incredibly intricate amount of detail and work to execute 
the attacks in the way generally described by theorists, not to mention the 
complete loyalties of *everyone* involved for something like a US 
government-authored terrorist attack to work when balanced with the sheer 
incompetency the Bush government has shown in every other facet of running 
this country the past 7+ years.

The *only* thing there could be legitimate doubts about is whether Flight 93 
was shot down by US fighters before reaching Washington vs the heroic story 
of passengers attempting to take back control of the plane.  And all the 
evidence pretty much points to the jet crashing under it's own power so I 
think it's unlikely it was shot down.

T.B. 


From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Jun  5 22:44:01 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:44:01 +1200
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <531743.24094.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Yeah in retrospect that whole fantasy episode was a lot funnier in my own
head ;)

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2008 9:17 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

 


That Zealand hash is fuckin' good, isn't it?


 

... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current state of things)


'Save me..                                                

 save me from Tomorrow..                          
 I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   



--- On Thu, 6/5/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 1:31 AM

I implicitly understand the issue of Kuwait stealing oil from under Iraqi
territory...
 
I have to come clean and admit that whenever me and any of my girlfriends
did that cute picturesque thing where we shared a milkshake with a straw
each, that I purposely deformed my girlfriend's straw to create a finer
aperture, furthermore I held her side of the milkshake shaker when I
brought it to the table, thus warming it in relation to mine and reducing
the viscosity of the milkshake on that side, which I then proceeded to
insert my standard-aperture straw into, with the result that it was more
readily suckable and a larger amount could be consumed per period (x) of
time. I further admit that, to use somewhat common vernacular, I "sucked
really hard." Thus I afforded myself, through several forms of guile, a
disproportionate amount of milkshake, which with the benefit of hindsight
I truly regret, not the least for the ensuing milkshake headache and
resultant involuntary public gurning.
 
(In my defence, or mitigation, I have been larger than all of my
girlfriends and indeed have almost always purchased >=51% of any mutual
milkshakes)
 
 
> &nbsp; &nbsp;To&nbsp;make a clean moral issue a little murkier
(sorry),
> Kuwait was also stealing
> some of Iraq's oil from the Kuwaiti side of the border.
> &nbsp;&nbsp; I read a news report&nbsp;a just few years ago
that some Brit
> firm confirmed the serial
> numbers on some Kuwaiti drilling rigs&nbsp;along the Kuwait/Iraq
> border&nbsp;designed to drill
> into the ground and siphon off the oil below from an angle,
> ifyouknowwhatimean.....
> 
> &nbsp;
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
> (looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)
> 
> 'Save
> 
me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;save me&nbsp;from
> 
Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
&nbsp;
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt; wrote:
> 
> From: Karen Weil &lt;karen.weil at sddt.com&gt;
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
> Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:49 PM
> 
> You got it, Oliver. Also, here's another little thing the mainstream
media
> fails to mention: Saddam went into Kuwait in 1990 because, essentially,
> our
> government told him he could.
> Sorry, Mik, but this country was happy to look the other way while Saddam
> killed his own people, because he was "our SOB" during the
1980s.
> And none of that will ever justify the invasion of Iraq.
> 
> kw.
> San Diego
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"
&lt;bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net&gt;
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
> 
> 
> &gt; When he was massacring his own people, a lot of that was done
with US
> &gt; support. Also, the targets of one of his pogroms were the Kurds,
> whose
> &gt; plight the US really played up in the lead-up to Gulf War 1. The
> Kurds are
> 
> &gt; also being massacred by US ally Turkey, which has US air bases in
its
> &gt; southeast. We should overthrow them, too, no?
> &gt;
> &gt; -Oliver
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; Mik Raven wrote:
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a
genosidal
> despot
> &gt;&gt; who was quite happy to massacre his own people?
> &gt;&gt;
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Jun  5 22:45:02 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:45:02 +1200
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
In-Reply-To: <250390.19586.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <1068.60.234.228.138.1212653648.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
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Define sane and I?ll get back to you (busy chewing carpet at the moment,
must dash)?

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2008 9:20 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

 


ROFLZMAOff!!!

 

I was reaching into my wallet for my soon-to-be-useless-&-devalued US
dollars$ to buy this until a whiff of it hit me. 

 

 

..you are an insane man.....

 



 

... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current state of things)


'Save me..                                                

 save me from Tomorrow..                          
 I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   



--- On Thu, 6/5/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 1:14 AM

Nonsense. The Pentagon lies at the nexus (triple word score) of 5
previously undiscovered ley lines, hence the term PENTagon. Sigh. So
obvious. The magnetic and orgone / ethereal forces conglomerating on the
area are well beyond the ken of normal folks, even normal folks called
Ken(neth). ANYTHING could happen at that point, just witness some of the
bullshit that comes out of that building...the defence rests. (Cos
bullshit is tiring).
 
> &nbsp; Listen, the plane that hit the Pentagon was going so fast and
> flying so low above
> the ground that the air pressure against its form before the point of
> impact combined
> with the pull of the gravitational force of the Earth combined to severely
> compress the
> airplane's physical endoskeleton and overall form, defying
> both&nbsp;Newtonian and&nbsp;Keplerian
> physics and reduce the entire plane&nbsp;in size&nbsp;to a size
similar to
> that of only a large
> missile.
> It's true.
> &nbsp;
> Haahh!! 8D
> &nbsp;
> No, seriously: http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/bcr911.htm?200630
> 
> &nbsp;
> 
> &nbsp;
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
> (looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)
> 
> 'Save
> 
me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;save me&nbsp;from
> 
Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> &nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
&nbsp;
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/4/08, bongo &lt;humanhybrid666 at gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> 
> From: bongo &lt;humanhybrid666 at gmail.com&gt;
> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
> To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk, "A list about all things Killing Joke
(the
> band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
> Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:03 PM
> 
> ah well...
> 
> just speaking my mind is all   =)
> 
> that plane that hit the pentagon sure hit hard . . . . . . . . .

 

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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 00:50:19 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
In-Reply-To: <0K2000AJJFRCW0M0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <962990.1187.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&gt; That's not foresight. It's called learning from history.

&nbsp;&nbsp; I agree: 
&nbsp;-- WWII Kamikazes, 
&nbsp;-- 1970 when&nbsp;several 747 jumbo jet airliners were blown up 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;on the tarmac&nbsp;in Amman, Jordan, 
&nbsp;-- Cubans hijacking airliners in the 70s, warplanes carrying airborne nukes, 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; etc.adnauseametc.etc... 
..AND the american people still believed the Leaders when they said, "OMG&nbsp; =:~o&nbsp; 
it's inconceivable. No wayyy....."
&nbsp;
Pathetic.


... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Thu, 6/5/08, The Exorcist &lt;killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com&gt; wrote:

From: The Exorcist &lt;killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 2:59 PM


I'm not gonna go thru the whole thing here.

However about the foresight thing. That's not foresight. It's called learning from history.
You recall something about a big kaboom back in 1993?

It's common sense.

Cheers,
Me

At 05:35 PM 6/5/2008, Devacor at aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 6/5/2008 1:24:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com writes:


You might find this interesting.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html 


Have a glance in your spare time.


Cheers,

Me

&nbsp; 
Yeah there is much more surrounding 9/11 then what was mentioned in the pop mechanics article- those are just some basic points that could be tossed around and go either way- what is mentioned in the that artlicle by no means debunks anything though- there are plenty of counter points. 
&nbsp;Ironicially enough I got some 9/11 stuff sent to me today. Not trying to bog anyone down (and just some food for thought) but I just quick copied a few things off to show other instances that were peculiar- plenty more, this is just a few...
____________________________________________________________
&nbsp;
Billions in profits are made off put options shortly before 9/11 wherein investors made up to $15 billion in a frenzy of trading betting that certain stocks would fall in value over the next few days. These included stocks in the two Airlines that would suffer most from 9/11. In fact, the profits were so staggering and unprecedented that it caused Bloomberg News to excl.. ???This would be the most extraordinary coincidence in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence. This could very well be insider trading at the worst, most horrific, most evil use you???ve ever seen in your entire life. It???s absolutely unprecedented."
&nbsp;
Six months before the 9/11 attacks, the cluster of buildings that constitute the World Trade Center are purchased by a private investor for a relatively paltry sum of $200 million. (That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had changed ownership). The new owner has the foresight (again miraculous, no doubt) to insure the buildings against terrorist attacks. The buildings were never seen as being profitable. In fact, because of their extremely high asbestos content, the structures had actually been condemned. Yet to destroy and rebuild them by conventional means would have been prohibitively expensive. It is indeed a miracle that the investor was paid $7 billion by the insurance companies after the attacks. A miraculously handsome return on an investment of $200 million.


The owner of the buildings slips up on national television and admits that he ordered one of the towers (building 7) to be ???pulled???. A ???Pull????jargon for controlled demolition?requires months of planning and preparation. YYet, no one to this day has asked this man how he managed to achieve this incredible feat in a matter of hours, and amidst the chaos of 9/11. The 9/11 Commission surely must also have assumed this to be a miracle because they did not even address this in their report. That the insurance company paid out 7 billion dollars without even the slightest investigation?even after the owner???s admissionn of a ???pull????only compounds the magnitude of this miracle.


On the day of the hijackings the US Government is running drills with its Air Force where it is simulating "Multiple Hijackings of Aircraft" within the United States of America. This drill causes great confusion amongst Air Traffic Controllers as it provides a "Cover" for the real Hijackings. Without these drills it is very possible that the Aircraft that were hijacked could have been intercepted far earlier.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;


&nbsp;





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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 01:02:06 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:02:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
In-Reply-To: <27C2336D2A40428889846B5FEBBDB2BB@Soundgardener>
Message-ID: <10864.54566.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Truly sounds like a forefather of great rock guitar work.


... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Thu, 6/5/08, Brendan Quinn &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt; wrote:

From: Brendan Quinn &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 7:05 PM

That was nice work on the gat, not that I know shite about it... 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 3:36 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...

Anyone post/see this incredible vintage YouTube clip of Bo Diddley? He's 
laying down some mean, nasty, downright proto-metal crunchy, palm-muted 
power chords in this thing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zBAJXyF1HVc

Good stuff


-Oliver


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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 01:19:54 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:19:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
In-Reply-To: <27C2336D2A40428889846B5FEBBDB2BB@Soundgardener>
Message-ID: <732390.86378.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone know if he ever even made (substantial) money from his work, 
or was he another music-industry tragedy of poverty?


... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 

--- On Thu, 6/5/08, Brendan Quinn &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt; wrote:

From: Brendan Quinn &lt;bq at soundgardener.co.nz&gt;
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 7:05 PM

That was nice work on the gat, not that I know shite about it... 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 3:36 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...

Anyone post/see this incredible vintage YouTube clip of Bo Diddley? He's 
laying down some mean, nasty, downright proto-metal crunchy, palm-muted 
power chords in this thing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zBAJXyF1HVc

Good stuff


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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Fri Jun  6 01:36:24 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:36:24 +1200
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
In-Reply-To: <732390.86378.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Musical poverty isn?t a tragedy, it?s a necessity. Suck it up, BLEED, SING
AND DIE!

 

;)

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 5:20 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...

 


   Anyone know if he ever even made (substantial) money from his work, 

or was he another music-industry tragedy of poverty?

... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current state of things)


'Save me..                                                

 save me from Tomorrow..                          
 I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   



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From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
<gathering at misera.net>
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 7:05 PM

That was nice work on the gat, not that I know shite about it... 
 
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Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 3:36 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
 
Anyone post/see this incredible vintage YouTube clip of Bo Diddley? He's 
laying down some mean, nasty, downright proto-metal crunchy, palm-muted 
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=zBAJXyF1HVc
 
Good stuff
 
 
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From angrytomhanks at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 02:12:50 2008
From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com (Leigh Newton)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 23:12:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
Message-ID: <977777.11656.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

That is seriously awesome. Those kids in the audience are hysterical too. 

 http://www.nightruiner.com
http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale


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Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 10:05:01 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...

That was nice work on the gat, not that I know shite about it... 

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Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 3:36 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...

Anyone post/see this incredible vintage YouTube clip of Bo Diddley? He's 
laying down some mean, nasty, downright proto-metal crunchy, palm-muted 
power chords in this thing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zBAJXyF1HVc

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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun  6 02:35:03 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:35:03 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
In-Reply-To: <977777.11656.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <977777.11656.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4848DA97.7050604@sbcglobal.net>

Not only is that guitar he is using bad ass "space age"-looking, he is 
laying down some super thick percussive chunkiness with it, way 
crunchier than anything from that era. Son House, the blues guitarist, 
was also big on using the guitar as much for percussive effect (palm 
muted chugga-chugga type stuff), but Diddley's playing in the vid is 
something else. Also, I dig the one chick up front who is also playing 
guitar -- she looks pretty cool, kinda hot, actually.

-Oliver


Leigh Newton wrote:
> That is seriously awesome. Those kids in the audience are hysterical too. 
>
>  http://www.nightruiner.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
>
>
>   


From Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk  Fri Jun  6 04:34:47 2008
From: Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk (Rob Horan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:34:47 +0100
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC
	(Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-W5010D85928FC239759796EB9B40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-W5010D85928FC239759796EB9B40@phx.gbl>
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Hi Liz, speaking of Dutch I've just booked for Golden Earring at
Shepherds Bush Empire next March - first UK gig in 30 years!
 
Rob

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of liszy le clercq
Sent: 06 June 2008 00:08
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC
(Geschiedenis kanaal 310)


Hello there gatherers, I'ts lurking Liz from Amsterdam.
 
For any Dutch gatherers out there who have UPC cable: Geschiedenis
kanaal 310 gehele week reruns Gotterdammung 2000 programma uit 1982!. In
3 delen, ik geloof deel 2 zonder een optreden van KJ maar alle 3
interessant! Vannacht is er ook een uitzending. P.S. misschien eens
handig om te weten welke gatherers zich in Nederland bevinden. Bij deze
mijn poging tot een namenlijst aanleggen. Volgens mij zijn er wel meer
'lurkers'. Laat me maar weten...bvd.
 
Back to English..so saw this great documentary with KJ performing in
1982 on a Dutch TVchannel.
Only interesting news for Dutch gatherers. So my KJ ticket update: no
tickets in the post yet.
Only booked for the London shows but would also like to go to Paris and
perhaps Brussels.
As most of us diehard fans will probably get tickets for the 2 shows, I
think it will give us gatherers a real chance to meet and hang out
together. And also to get together to celebrate the life of Raven.
Thinking of Graham (woody2shooz) to pick a location in London...(?)
Hoping to hear from you! Lizzzzz    
 



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From markec at telenet.be  Fri Jun  6 05:40:56 2008
From: markec at telenet.be (MARKEC)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:40:56 +0200
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC
	(Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-W5010D85928FC239759796EB9B40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-W5010D85928FC239759796EB9B40@phx.gbl>
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Mogen de Vlamingen ook m??doen?  ;-)
//
And can Flemish take part in this too?

Grtz.
Markec

np Bauhaus "Go Away White" (now: 'summer of the damned')

Op 6-jun-08, om 01:08 heeft liszy le clercq het volgende geschreven:

> Hello there gatherers, I'ts lurking Liz from Amsterdam.
>
> For any Dutch gatherers out there who have UPC cable: Geschiedenis  
> kanaal 310 gehele week reruns Gotterdammung 2000 programma uit  
> 1982!. In 3 delen, ik geloof deel 2 zonder een optreden van KJ maar  
> alle 3 interessant! Vannacht is er ook een uitzending. P.S.  
> misschien eens handig om te weten welke gatherers zich in Nederland  
> bevinden. Bij deze mijn poging tot een namenlijst aanleggen.  
> Volgens mij zijn er wel meer 'lurkers'. Laat me maar weten...bvd.
>
> Back to English..so saw this great documentary with KJ performing  
> in 1982 on a Dutch TVchannel.
> Only interesting news for Dutch gatherers. So my KJ ticket update:  
> no tickets in the post yet.
> Only booked for the London shows but would also like to go to Paris  
> and perhaps Brussels.
> As most of us diehard fans will probably get tickets for the 2  
> shows, I think it will give us gatherers a real chance to meet and  
> hang out together. And also to get together to celebrate the life  
> of Raven. Thinking of Graham (woody2shooz) to pick a location in  
> London...(?)
> Hoping to hear from you! Lizzzzz
>
>
>
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From markec at telenet.be  Fri Jun  6 05:49:08 2008
From: markec at telenet.be (MARKEC)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:49:08 +0200
Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably be...
Message-ID: <2C34817B-FBAE-44D4-A969-A42DF4C57827@telenet.be>

Evening One:

REQUIEM
WARDANCE
TOMORROW'S WORLD
BLOODSPORT
THE WAIT
COMPLICATIONS
S.O. 36
PRIMITIVE
THE FALL OF BECAUSE
TENSION
UNSPEAKABLE
BUTCHER
FOLLOW THE LEADERS
MADNESS
WHO TOLD YOU HOW?
EXIT

but then... Which encores... that's the qeustion !
Maybe:
* BRILLIANT
*THE PANDYS ARE COMING
* EMPIRE SONG
* DREGS

and probably  also
* LOVE LIKE BLOOD?

Evening Two:

PANDEMONIUM
EXORCISM
MILLENIUM
COMMUNION
BLACK MOON
LABYRINTH
JANA
WHITEOUT
PLEASURES OF THE FLESH
MATHEMATICS OF CHAOS

Encores?
- stuff from "Democracy"? "Killing Joke 2003"? "Hossannas"?,  
"Extremities?"

What do y'all think?

Cheers....
Markec




From liszyleclercq at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 05:56:34 2008
From: liszyleclercq at hotmail.com (liszy le clercq)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:56:34 +0200
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel
	UPC	(Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
In-Reply-To: <BE8F6DCC-FC66-4846-905A-6FA7E7623B90@telenet.be>
References: <BAY101-W5010D85928FC239759796EB9B40@phx.gbl>
	<BE8F6DCC-FC66-4846-905A-6FA7E7623B90@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <BAY101-W736E3F0076130D317AC7EB9B70@phx.gbl>


Ja, jullie horen toch al zowat bij Nederland? hi hi. Van mij mogen jullie erbij!


From: markec at telenet.beDate: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:40:56 +0200To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)Mogen de Vlamingen ook m??doen?  ;-) 
//
And can Flemish take part in this too? 

Grtz.
Markec

np Bauhaus "Go Away White" (now: 'summer of the damned')



Op 6-jun-08, om 01:08 heeft liszy le clercq het volgende geschreven:
Hello there gatherers, I'ts lurking Liz from Amsterdam. For any Dutch gatherers out there who have UPC cable: Geschiedenis kanaal 310 gehele week reruns Gotterdammung 2000 programma uit 1982!. In 3 delen, ik geloof deel 2 zonder een optreden van KJ maar alle 3 interessant! Vannacht is er ook een uitzending. P.S. misschien eens handig om te weten welke gatherers zich in Nederland bevinden. Bij deze mijn poging tot een namenlijst aanleggen. Volgens mij zijn er wel meer 'lurkers'. Laat me maar weten...bvd. Back to English..so saw this great documentary with KJ performing in 1982 on a Dutch TVchannel.Only interesting news for Dutch gatherers. So my KJ ticket update: no tickets in the post yet.Only booked for the London shows but would also like to go to Paris and perhaps Brussels.As most of us diehard fans will probably get tickets for the 2 shows, I think it will give us gatherers a real chance to meet and hang out together. And also to get together to celebrate the life of Raven. Thinking of Graham (woody2shooz) to pick a location in London...(?)Hoping to hear from you! Lizzzzz     

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From markec at telenet.be  Fri Jun  6 05:57:31 2008
From: markec at telenet.be (MARKEC)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:57:31 +0200
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel
	UPC	(Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
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References: <BAY101-W5010D85928FC239759796EB9B40@phx.gbl>
	<BE8F6DCC-FC66-4846-905A-6FA7E7623B90@telenet.be>
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LOL
ok, bedankt hoor ;-)

Op 6-jun-08, om 11:56 heeft liszy le clercq het volgende geschreven:

> Ja, jullie horen toch al zowat bij Nederland? hi hi. Van mij mogen  
> jullie erbij!
>
> From: markec at telenet.be
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:40:56 +0200
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History  
> Channel UPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
>
> Mogen de Vlamingen ook m??doen?  ;-)
> //
> And can Flemish take part in this too?
>
> Grtz.
> Markec
>
> np Bauhaus "Go Away White" (now: 'summer of the damned')
>
> Op 6-jun-08, om 01:08 heeft liszy le clercq het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hello there gatherers, I'ts lurking Liz from Amsterdam.
>
> For any Dutch gatherers out there who have UPC cable: Geschiedenis  
> kanaal 310 gehele week reruns Gotterdammung 2000 programma uit  
> 1982!. In 3 delen, ik geloof deel 2 zonder een optreden van KJ maar  
> alle 3 interessant! Vannacht is er ook een uitzending. P.S.  
> misschien eens handig om te weten welke gatherers zich in Nederland  
> bevinden. Bij deze mijn poging tot een namenlijst aanleggen.  
> Volgens mij zijn er wel meer 'lurkers'. Laat me maar weten...bvd.
>
> Back to English..so saw this great documentary with KJ performing  
> in 1982 on a Dutch TVchannel.
> Only interesting news for Dutch gatherers. So my KJ ticket update:  
> no tickets in the post yet.
> Only booked for the London shows but would also like to go to Paris  
> and perhaps Brussels.
> As most of us diehard fans will probably get tickets for the 2  
> shows, I think it will give us gatherers a real chance to meet and  
> hang out together. And also to get together to celebrate the life  
> of Raven. Thinking of Graham (woody2shooz) to pick a location in  
> London...(?)
> Hoping to hear from you! Lizzzzz
>
>
>
> Lees jij al je Hotmail op je mobiel? Probeer het nu!
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Fri Jun  6 06:32:31 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:32:31 +0100
Subject: [kj] Mugabe
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC04376F@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

LOL - off with his head !!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 05 June 2008 19:17
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Mugabe


that cretin and his supporters just make me  want to vomit--ade you warned up that engin :D)))) !!!



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From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:02:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] Mugabe


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080605/ap_on_re_af/zimbabwe;_ylt=AkGXJeXg2tsekXtlTkn3nqqs0NUE
 
don't forget the gold.....




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From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:14:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

you got the craft ade ;D? i will supply the weapons of  distruction with magwabwas name wrote on there ;P exspecially for the git!
 
milinda




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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:05:15 +0100
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


It would be good to see the fucker sniped.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 05 June 2008 14:02
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


your right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes!
 
milinda
 
milinda




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From: karen.weil at sddt.com
To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven <mailto:mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk>  
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

	

	

Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
	




On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:



You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

k.w.
San Diego
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
> Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
> warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
> unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
> Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
>
> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
> secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
> restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
> asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
> WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
> his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
> English, and newspaper printed them.
>
> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
> bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
> were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
> for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
> caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
> these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
> Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
> suppressed.
>
> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
> Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
>
> -Oliver
>
> ade wrote:
>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
>> Whereas
>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
>>
>>
>
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Fri Jun  6 06:40:37 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:40:37 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC043771@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

Excellent Olly! Here's another!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzn7VyoqEw&NR=1

We're all standing on the shoulders of giants, innit.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
Sent: 05 June 2008 16:36
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...


Anyone post/see this incredible vintage YouTube clip of Bo Diddley? He's 
laying down some mean, nasty, downright proto-metal crunchy, palm-muted 
power chords in this thing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zBAJXyF1HVc

Good stuff


-Oliver


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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Fri Jun  6 06:42:32 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:42:32 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC043772@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

You know, a white man sniping a black man in power - just too many connotations to be made
of that! Instead of just the truth - the bastard should die.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 05 June 2008 15:14
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


you got the craft ade ;D? i will supply the weapons of  distruction with magwabwas name wrote on there ;P exspecially for the git!
 
milinda




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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:05:15 +0100
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


It would be good to see the fucker sniped.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 05 June 2008 14:02
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


your right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes!
 
milinda
 
milinda




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From: karen.weil at sddt.com
To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven <mailto:mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk>  
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

	

	

Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
	




On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:



You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

k.w.
San Diego
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
> Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
> warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
> unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
> Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
>
> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
> secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
> restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
> asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
> WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
> his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
> English, and newspaper printed them.
>
> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
> bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
> were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
> for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
> caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
> these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
> Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
> suppressed.
>
> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
> Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
>
> -Oliver
>
> ade wrote:
>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
>> Whereas
>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Gathering mailing list
> Gathering at misera.net
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Fri Jun  6 06:48:04 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:48:04 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC043774@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

What an outcome, eh! How terribly depressing that all we can do is make things worse.
 
I just can't agree that we need to deal with scum like Saddam (et al) in this way - in reality,
there's little that can be done without hardship being passed down to the people. These scumbag
governments are always going to exist & so-called people like Mugabe are loving every minute of
rubbing our noses in it.
 
Snipe him!
 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen Weil
Sent: 05 June 2008 18:52
To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


You said it, ade. 
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: sade1 <mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>  
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the  <mailto:gathering at misera.net> band!) 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


> Saddam was....much nearer to being on 'our' side 

 

'Nearer' is putting it kindly. Saddam started off as an agent for the CIA.


 

... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current state of things)

'Save me..                                                
 save me from Tomorrow..                          
 I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   


--- On Wed, 6/4/08, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 1:53 PM


I'm not even thinking about our reliance on oil, I just think if we get

out now, the place will become warlord/tribe controlled. I think anyone

who calls for removal of troops now doesn't give a shit about the people

left behind.



As soon as we went in, that was the death-sentence for any withdrawal

for YEARS. What a total fuck-up.



You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,

etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to

being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising.

Whereas

the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist

nutfucks. We've trained them up...





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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of T.B.

Sent: 04 June 2008 16:40

To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama





"ade" wrote:





> Do you think the US should pull out of Iraq, asap ?



IMO, yeah, sure we should get out of the country asap.  The problem is, we 

can't.



We really screwed the pooch invading that country and severely 

underestimated the ability of the people there to become self-starters and 

govern themselves.  Not to mention our presence created a convenient place 

for every anti-American faction to gather, organize and fight us on 

basically their home ground further destabilizing the place.  Now, the 

moment we start pulling out in significant numbers, you'll see hardcore 

Islamic fanatics like the Taliban taking up the slack and overthrowing 

whatever fragile government might be in place and taking the country back to 

the stone age.



With oil at an all time high with no end in sight, any further major 

destabilization in global fuel sources will be catastrophic to the world 

economy.  Thus, while there may be a significant drawdown in combat troops 

in the next 5 years, we'll likely have a permanent military presence in the



region for decades to come.  With countries like China gobbling up more and 

more oil, there basically *has* to be a Western (translation: US) military 

presence in the region to prevent a full tilt invasion somewhere down the 

line from China or even Russia.



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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Fri Jun  6 06:49:04 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:49:04 +0100
Subject: [kj] Congrats Obama
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC043775@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

Nah, give the piece of trash what he deserves & what he so keenly doles out.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen Weil
Sent: 05 June 2008 18:50
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Hi, Milinda and ade:
 
Rather than assassinating Mugabe, he should be arrested on war crimes and corruption, and put on trial. He has single-handidly destroyed a once-prosperous and vital nation. 
(yeah, I know that will never happen, but it would be the civilized and truly just thing to do.)
Unfortunately, other African countries, still bitter about how the West has used them, will not do the right thing and force that kleptocratic scumbag out of office. South Africa's leader is especially guilty in this. 
Let's keep the beleagured Zimbabweans in our hearts, and pray for positive change!
 
k.w.
 
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From: ade <mailto:ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>  
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the  <mailto:gathering at misera.net> band!) 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

It would be good to see the fucker sniped.

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 05 June 2008 14:02
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


your right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes!
 
milinda
 
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From: karen.weil at sddt.com
To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven <mailto:mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk>  
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

	

	

Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
	




On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:



You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

k.w.
San Diego
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To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
> Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
> warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
> unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
> Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
>
> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
> secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
> restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
> asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
> WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
> his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
> English, and newspaper printed them.
>
> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
> bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
> were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
> for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
> caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
> these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
> Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
> suppressed.
>
> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
> Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
>
> -Oliver
>
> ade wrote:
>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
>> Whereas
>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
>>
>>
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From vaio719 at livedoor.com  Fri Jun  6 07:45:48 2008
From: vaio719 at livedoor.com (vaio719)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:45:48 +0900
Subject: [kj] Youth / The Fireman - Unreleased Song
Message-ID: <91476d3f0806060445w43d82c7bm3c3b466ad22b24ad@mail.gmail.com>

McCartney will be offering an exclusive thank-you download of Lifelong
Passion (Sail Away), a previously unreleased song recorded under the name
The Fireman. During the 90s, McCartney worked under this moniker with the
producer Youth (from the band Killing Joke), releasing two albums. According
to McCartney's website, the pair are again working on new material and
Lifelong Passion "gives you a taste of what is to come".

guardian.co.uk: Paul McCartney invites fans to dinner
http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2283788,00.html


The new McCartney song you will hear is 'Lifelong Passion', a song which he
recorded with producer Youth (Crowded House, Killing Joke) under the name
The Fireman.

Undercover: Paul McCartney Invites You To Dinner
http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=5128

---------------------------------------------------

>From June 5 - June 12, people can Sign-up on this page to be a guest at
Paul's virtual Night of a Thousand Dinners Celebration by making a minimum
donation of $25. Registered guests will receive a special gift via email
from Paul.

All registered dinner guests have the opportunity to download and keep a
previously unreleased Paul McCartney song as a thank you for their donation.

This special Paul McCartney track, "Lifelong Passion" is a track Paul
recorded under the name The Fireman, the result of collaborations between
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From gregslawson at msn.com  Fri Jun  6 08:05:40 2008
From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:05:40 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
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I guess rock and roll has always been rebellious. Think about it--a black man singing and shaking like he's Joe Strummer, a female playing an electric guitar, while blasting a group of teenagers out of their seats...pretty cool for the 50s!> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:35:03 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...> > Not only is that guitar he is using bad ass "space age"-looking, he is > laying down some super thick percussive chunkiness with it, way > crunchier than anything from that era. Son House, the blues guitarist, > was also big on using the guitar as much for percussive effect (palm > muted chugga-chugga type stuff), but Diddley's playing in the vid is > something else. Also, I dig the one chick up front who is also playing > guitar -- she looks pretty cool, kinda hot, actually.> > -Oliver> > > Leigh Newton wrote:> > That is seriously awesome. Those kids in the audience are hysterical too. > >> > http://www.nightruiner.com> > http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope> > http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Fri Jun  6 09:43:16 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:43:16 +0100
Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably
	be...
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232CFEA@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

 <<< What do y'all think? >>>

I think I'm green with envy because I can't go :-(

Ho hum.


-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of MARKEC
Sent: 06 June 2008 10:49
To: A list about all things Killing Joke ((the band!))
Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably
be...

Evening One:

REQUIEM
WARDANCE
TOMORROW'S WORLD
BLOODSPORT
THE WAIT
COMPLICATIONS
S.O. 36
PRIMITIVE
THE FALL OF BECAUSE
TENSION
UNSPEAKABLE
BUTCHER
FOLLOW THE LEADERS
MADNESS
WHO TOLD YOU HOW?
EXIT

but then... Which encores... that's the qeustion !
Maybe:
* BRILLIANT
*THE PANDYS ARE COMING
* EMPIRE SONG
* DREGS

and probably  also
* LOVE LIKE BLOOD?

Evening Two:

PANDEMONIUM
EXORCISM
MILLENIUM
COMMUNION
BLACK MOON
LABYRINTH
JANA
WHITEOUT
PLEASURES OF THE FLESH
MATHEMATICS OF CHAOS

Encores?
- stuff from "Democracy"? "Killing Joke 2003"? "Hossannas"?,
"Extremities?"

What do y'all think?

Cheers....
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Fri Jun  6 10:16:05 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:16:05 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC043777@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

Greg,
 
Rock'n'roll has ALWAYS been rebellious. Punk came along & said it was no good, but what the
fuck did THEY know? They were teenagers!
 
Punk prejudices suck...

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: 06 June 2008 13:06
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...


I guess rock and roll has always been rebellious. Think about it--a black man singing and shaking like he's Joe Strummer, a female playing an electric guitar, while blasting a group of teenagers out of their seats...pretty cool for the 50s!

> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:35:03 -0500
> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
> 
> Not only is that guitar he is using bad ass "space age"-looking, he is 
> laying down some super thick percussive chunkiness with it, way 
> crunchier than anything from that era. Son House, the blues guitarist, 
> was also big on using the guitar as much for percussive effect (palm 
> muted chugga-chugga type stuff), but Diddley's playing in the vid is 
> something else. Also, I dig the one chick up front who is also playing 
> guitar -- she looks pretty cool, kinda hot, actually.
> 
> -Oliver
> 
> 
> Leigh Newton wrote:
> > That is seriously awesome. Those kids in the audience are hysterical too. 
> >
> > http://www.nightruiner.com
> > http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
> > http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
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From gasw30 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 10:45:14 2008
From: gasw30 at hotmail.com (nicholas fitzpatrick)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:45:14 +0000
Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will
	probably	be...
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I guess Change could be an encore on the first night. But I hope they will do something newer for an encore, particularly from Hosanna's. Though I'd settle for Eighties! 


----------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:43:16 +0100
> From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably	be...
> 
>  <<< What do y'all think?>>>
> 
> I think I'm green with envy because I can't go :-(
> 
> Ho hum.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> On Behalf Of MARKEC
> Sent: 06 June 2008 10:49
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke ((the band!))
> Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably
> be...
> 
> Evening One:
> 
> REQUIEM
> WARDANCE
> TOMORROW'S WORLD
> BLOODSPORT
> THE WAIT
> COMPLICATIONS
> S.O. 36
> PRIMITIVE
> THE FALL OF BECAUSE
> TENSION
> UNSPEAKABLE
> BUTCHER
> FOLLOW THE LEADERS
> MADNESS
> WHO TOLD YOU HOW?
> EXIT
> 
> but then... Which encores... that's the qeustion !
> Maybe:
> * BRILLIANT
> *THE PANDYS ARE COMING
> * EMPIRE SONG
> * DREGS
> 
> and probably  also
> * LOVE LIKE BLOOD?
> 
> Evening Two:
> 
> PANDEMONIUM
> EXORCISM
> MILLENIUM
> COMMUNION
> BLACK MOON
> LABYRINTH
> JANA
> WHITEOUT
> PLEASURES OF THE FLESH
> MATHEMATICS OF CHAOS
> 
> Encores?
> - stuff from "Democracy"? "Killing Joke 2003"? "Hossannas"?,
> "Extremities?"
> 
> What do y'all think?
> 
> Cheers....
> Markec
> 
> 
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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 10:50:06 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:50:06 +0100
Subject: [kj] Youth / The Fireman - Unreleased Song
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the whole of ---the firsman c.d--is pritty good stuff if your into dance/trance/techno,stuff like that,you will like it
 
when i recieved my copy of fireman,it took me a few listens b.4 i warmed to it,then bang,i just loved it ;D
thanks for posting this info but i dont think i will be at the party ;/ well i might get curious because of this new track ;P and it is for charity afterall--anyone on list going,or loggin on to it? vertual party,thats something ive never tries ;D !
 
milinda


Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:45:48 +0900From: vaio719 at livedoor.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: [kj] Youth / The Fireman - Unreleased SongMcCartney will be offering an exclusive thank-you download of Lifelong Passion (Sail Away), a previously unreleased song recorded under the name The Fireman. During the 90s, McCartney worked under this moniker with the producer Youth (from the band Killing Joke), releasing two albums. According to McCartney's website, the pair are again working on new material and Lifelong Passion "gives you a taste of what is to come".guardian.co.uk: Paul McCartney invites fans to dinnerhttp://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2283788,00.htmlThe new McCartney song you will hear is 'Lifelong Passion', a song which he recorded with producer Youth (Crowded House, Killing Joke) under the name The Fireman.Undercover: Paul McCartney Invites You To Dinnerhttp://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=5128---------------------------------------------------From June 5 - June 12, people can Sign-up on this page to be a guest at Paul's virtual Night of a Thousand Dinners Celebration by making a minimum donation of $25. Registered guests will receive a special gift via email from Paul.All registered dinner guests have the opportunity to download and keep a previously unreleased Paul McCartney song as a thank you for their donation.This special Paul McCartney track, "Lifelong Passion" is a track Paul recorded under the name The Fireman, the result of collaborations between Paul McCartney and respected producer Youth.N1KD Virtual Dinner with Paul McCartneyhttp://www.paulmccartney.com/1000dinners/ 
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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 10:59:46 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:59:46 +0100
Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows
	will	probably	be...
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if i hear--madneess--in the set list,and--exit as an encor just once,at any of the 7 shows me and mik raven are going to,i will be satisfied-and if they throw in--invocation--somewhere,i will be a cow in clover ;D> From: gasw30 at hotmail.com> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:45:14 +0000> Subject: Re: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably be...> > > I guess Change could be an encore on the first night. But I hope they will do something newer for an encore, particularly from Hosanna's. Though I'd settle for Eighties! > > > ----------------------------------------> > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:43:16 +0100> > From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> > To: gathering at misera.net> > Subject: Re: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably be...> > > > <<< What do y'all think?>>>> > > > I think I'm green with envy because I can't go :-(> > > > Ho hum.> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]> > On Behalf Of MARKEC> > Sent: 06 June 2008 10:49> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke ((the band!))> > Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably> > be...> > > > Evening One:> > > > REQUIEM> > WARDANCE> > TOMORROW'S WORLD> > BLOODSPORT> > THE WAIT> > COMPLICATIONS> > S.O. 36> > PRIMITIVE> > THE FALL OF BECAUSE> > TENSION> > UNSPEAKABLE> > BUTCHER> > FOLLOW THE LEADERS> > MADNESS> > WHO TOLD YOU HOW?> > EXIT> > > > but then... Which encores... that's the qeustion !> > Maybe:> > * BRILLIANT> > *THE PANDYS ARE COMING> > * EMPIRE SONG> > * DREGS> > > > and probably also> > * LOVE LIKE BLOOD?> > > > Evening Two:> > > > PANDEMONIUM> > EXORCISM> > MILLENIUM> > COMMUNION> > BLACK MOON> > LABYRINTH> > JANA> > WHITEOUT> > PLEASURES OF THE FLESH> > MATHEMATICS OF CHAOS> > > > Encores?> > - stuff from "Democracy"? "Killing Joke 2003"? "Hossannas"?,> > "Extremities?"> > > > What do y'all think?> > > > Cheers....> > Markec> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > _________________________________________________________________> > All new Live Search at Live.com> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk  Fri Jun  6 11:09:17 2008
From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:09:17 +0100
Subject: [kj] Youth / The Fireman - Unreleased Song
Message-ID: <BD60B2A89D16094897629D4CCC50B1CB3A456E@ED01VN01.NCL-HIS.NHS.UK>

>the whole of ---the firsman c.d--is pritty good stuff if your into dance/trance/techno,stuff like that,you will like it
 
It is indeed . . 
 
A word of warning, don't leave the CD case for "Rushes" (the second Fireman CD) laying around if you have children 
 
"why is there a naked lady Uncle Marc?" 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 06 June 2008 15:50
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Youth / The Fireman - Unreleased Song


the whole of ---the firsman c.d--is pritty good stuff if your into dance/trance/techno,stuff like that,you will like it
 
when i recieved my copy of fireman,it took me a few listens b.4 i warmed to it,then bang,i just loved it ;D
thanks for posting this info but i dont think i will be at the party ;/ well i might get curious because of this new track ;P and it is for charity afterall--anyone on list going,or loggin on to it? vertual party,thats something ive never tries ;D !
 
milinda




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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:45:48 +0900
From: vaio719 at livedoor.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] Youth / The Fireman - Unreleased Song

McCartney will be offering an exclusive thank-you download of Lifelong Passion (Sail Away), a previously unreleased song recorded under the name The Fireman. During the 90s, McCartney worked under this moniker with the producer Youth (from the band Killing Joke), releasing two albums. According to McCartney's website, the pair are again working on new material and Lifelong Passion "gives you a taste of what is to come".

guardian.co.uk <http://guardian.co.uk/> : Paul McCartney invites fans to dinner
http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2283788,00.html


The new McCartney song you will hear is 'Lifelong Passion', a song which he recorded with producer Youth (Crowded House, Killing Joke) under the name The Fireman.

Undercover: Paul McCartney Invites You To Dinner
http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=5128

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>From June 5 - June 12, people can Sign-up on this page to be a guest at Paul's virtual Night of a Thousand Dinners Celebration by making a minimum donation of $25. Registered guests will receive a special gift via email from Paul.

All registered dinner guests have the opportunity to download and keep a previously unreleased Paul McCartney song as a thank you for their donation.

This special Paul McCartney track, "Lifelong Passion" is a track Paul recorded under the name The Fireman, the result of collaborations between Paul McCartney and respected producer Youth.

N1KD Virtual Dinner with Paul McCartney
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 12:58:17 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:58:17 -0700
Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably
 be...
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LA is going to be a long set then..
> To: gathering at misera.net> From: markec at telenet.be> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:49:08 +0200> Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably be...> > Evening One:> > REQUIEM> WARDANCE> TOMORROW'S WORLD> BLOODSPORT> THE WAIT> COMPLICATIONS> S.O. 36> PRIMITIVE> THE FALL OF BECAUSE> TENSION> UNSPEAKABLE> BUTCHER> FOLLOW THE LEADERS> MADNESS> WHO TOLD YOU HOW?> EXIT> > but then... Which encores... that's the qeustion !> Maybe:> * BRILLIANT> *THE PANDYS ARE COMING> * EMPIRE SONG> * DREGS> > and probably also> * LOVE LIKE BLOOD?> > Evening Two:> > PANDEMONIUM> EXORCISM> MILLENIUM> COMMUNION> BLACK MOON> LABYRINTH> JANA> WHITEOUT> PLEASURES OF THE FLESH> MATHEMATICS OF CHAOS> > Encores?> - stuff from "Democracy"? "Killing Joke 2003"? "Hossannas"?, > "Extremities?"> > What do y'all think?> > Cheers....> Markec> > > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 13:05:10 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:05:10 -0700
Subject: [kj] mugwampabe
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I trust more than a really good kicking?
 


Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:49:04 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama



Nah, give the piece of trash what he deserves & what he so keenly doles out.

 
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Fri Jun  6 14:11:14 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:11:14 +0100
Subject: [kj] mugwampabe
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC04377A@mr-pants.the-lab.local>

BOTH feet first!

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: 06 June 2008 18:05
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] mugwampabe


I trust more than a really good kicking?


 


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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:49:04 +0100
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Nah, give the piece of trash what he deserves & what he so keenly doles out.

 


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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Fri Jun  6 14:30:16 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:30:16 -0700
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History
	ChannelUPC	(Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
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Hoera voor Vlaanderen en die Vlaamse taal! 

Groetjes,

Karen W.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: liszy le clercq 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History ChannelUPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)


  Ja, jullie horen toch al zowat bij Nederland? hi hi. Van mij mogen jullie erbij!



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    From: markec at telenet.be
    Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:40:56 +0200
    To: gathering at misera.net
    Subject: Re: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History Channel UPC (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)

    Mogen de Vlamingen ook m??doen?  ;-) 
    //
    And can Flemish take part in this too? 


    Grtz.
    Markec


    np Bauhaus "Go Away White" (now: 'summer of the damned')


    Op 6-jun-08, om 01:08 heeft liszy le clercq het volgende geschreven:


      Hello there gatherers, I'ts lurking Liz from Amsterdam.
       
      For any Dutch gatherers out there who have UPC cable: Geschiedenis kanaal 310 gehele week reruns Gotterdammung 2000 programma uit 1982!. In 3 delen, ik geloof deel 2 zonder een optreden van KJ maar alle 3 interessant! Vannacht is er ook een uitzending. P.S. misschien eens handig om te weten welke gatherers zich in Nederland bevinden. Bij deze mijn poging tot een namenlijst aanleggen. Volgens mij zijn er wel meer 'lurkers'. Laat me maar weten...bvd.
       
      Back to English..so saw this great documentary with KJ performing in 1982 on a Dutch TVchannel.
      Only interesting news for Dutch gatherers. So my KJ ticket update: no tickets in the post yet.
      Only booked for the London shows but would also like to go to Paris and perhaps Brussels.
      As most of us diehard fans will probably get tickets for the 2 shows, I think it will give us gatherers a real chance to meet and hang out together. And also to get together to celebrate the life of Raven. Thinking of Graham (woody2shooz) to pick a location in London...(?)
      Hoping to hear from you! Lizzzzz    
       



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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Fri Jun  6 14:31:25 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:31:25 -0700
Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably
	be...
References: <2C34817B-FBAE-44D4-A969-A42DF4C57827@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <2B2F2AE5B1A643CE9530AD199551B022@edweil>

Great set -- but no"Nighttime"? "Darkness Before Dawn"?

Thanks for the list.

k.w.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MARKEC" <markec at telenet.be>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke ((the band!))" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:49 AM
Subject: [kj] So the setlists for the Killing Joke shows will probably be...


> Evening One:
>
> REQUIEM
> WARDANCE
> TOMORROW'S WORLD
> BLOODSPORT
> THE WAIT
> COMPLICATIONS
> S.O. 36
> PRIMITIVE
> THE FALL OF BECAUSE
> TENSION
> UNSPEAKABLE
> BUTCHER
> FOLLOW THE LEADERS
> MADNESS
> WHO TOLD YOU HOW?
> EXIT
>
> but then... Which encores... that's the qeustion !
> Maybe:
> * BRILLIANT
> *THE PANDYS ARE COMING
> * EMPIRE SONG
> * DREGS
>
> and probably  also
> * LOVE LIKE BLOOD?
>
> Evening Two:
>
> PANDEMONIUM
> EXORCISM
> MILLENIUM
> COMMUNION
> BLACK MOON
> LABYRINTH
> JANA
> WHITEOUT
> PLEASURES OF THE FLESH
> MATHEMATICS OF CHAOS
>
> Encores?
> - stuff from "Democracy"? "Killing Joke 2003"? "Hossannas"?, 
> "Extremities?"
>
> What do y'all think?
>
> Cheers....
> Markec
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Gathering mailing list
> Gathering at misera.net
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> 


From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 15:54:58 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:54:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - Hit and run on tape,
Message-ID: <12425.76358.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

&nbsp;&nbsp; Not to take away from anyone's buzz, I was just wondering is this&nbsp;
a local or cultural phenomenon or is this at all a universal tendency for 
people to react this way in a moment like that?&nbsp;(click for video)
&nbsp;&nbsp; I bet his wallet, had it landed seperately from its owner, 
would have received much quicker attention.
&nbsp;
I'm glad the "shops aren't empty and the number of police halved.." -- jazcoleman


... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current&nbsp;state of things)

'Save me..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;save me&nbsp;from Tomorrow..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!' &nbsp; 


      
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun  6 16:13:14 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:13:14 -0500
Subject: [kj] KJ/JoyDivision/TheatreofHate on Dutch History	ChannelUPC
 (Geschiedenis kanaal 310)
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Well, if anyone spots this awesome-sounding program on YouTube or knows 
of a way to get it off something like mininova.org or any other Bit 
Torrent site, let us devoted KJ email listers know!


-Oliver


Karen Weil wrote:
> Hoera voor Vlaanderen en die Vlaamse taal!
>  
> Groetjes,
>  
> Karen W.
>  


From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun  6 16:20:01 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:20:01 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT: Speaking of Bo Diddley...
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References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC043771@mr-pants.the-lab.local>
Message-ID: <48499BF1.1050405@sbcglobal.net>

Ade,


Yeah, that's an incredible video.

The thing I like about Diddley's style, I am finding out (I always 
ignored or avoided him because he seemed like someone my parents would 
like, which meant I would automatically shun it, and I missed out on 
some decent stuff because of that stubborness) -- is his really weird 
utilization of the more percussive, chunky, chunk-chunk-wokka-wokka 
aspects of the guitar that are amplified through certain types of 
distortion. And the way he effortlessly maneuvers across the fretboard 
while swinging t