[kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...

[ade]

Sounds like the 'Homeland' & the Middle East have a lot in common ;)

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of sade1
Sent: 19 June 2008 06:23
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...



  Over here they don't even know the Middle East enough to hate it, 

much less hate it that much, enough to want to attack it.  All they really 

have are some old, alternately bigoted/faux-romanticised stereotypes 

of Ay'rabs (cuz they're all arabs over there, right? [right], when it's not 

about oil-sheik or gas-station-attendant stereotypes.  

Really. 

 

(  I mean, there are some people who'll know the diff - and care - 

but there's pretty much been a whole new closet for people like that,

surrounded by the Moat Of Anti-Intellectualism, all tucked away in 

the Hubris Forest, the same way protesters are now isolated&removed 

aka socially quarantined in distant 'protest areas' usu. far far away from 

the scene or event being protested - and nobody (in any significant 

numbers at all) bat an eye)

 

  Even I-wrack was not about Sodom *erm* Saddam but about "follow 

the leader." 

 

  What you may be inferring of the folk here is that they would luv to 

fuck the I-Ray-kneeans up for taking "us hostage and our embassy;" 

that "that was an act of war...that was U.S. soil [the embassy]...those 

were our boys and girls over there...." that "those are American lives..." 

yada yada,etc.** 

  Never mind that the Homeland pretty much took possession of I-ran's 

direction and national destiny after knocking out their own nationally 

elected PM Mossadegh <http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/> .

 

 ~~ "Wot, 'democracy' in Eye-ran, you say? Gnawwww......stop that....." ~~ 

 

 Iranians' response to U.S. claims of being held hostage as a nation 

for 444 days was, " =8~o, you knocked out our man and took it all; 

shit man, you seized us first, and all of itt!! Pot...kettle..." - but, ya know, in Farsi.

 

  I'm honestly glad the Homeland is not held to account to the same 

standard as it does the World because if it were the Homeland would 

look like that last scene of "Scarface" with all the cartel hitters going 

over Tony  <http://www.gamingblog.org/images/scarface-the-world-is-yours-1_52.jpg> Montana's walls to.... engage.

 

 

Btw, a pic of Jaz Coleman circa '83: http://www.salpacino.com/images/scarface_cover_1983.jpeg

 

 

 

 

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(looking at the current state of things)

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--- On Wed, 6/18/08, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 10:51 AM


You know, I think many people in the States are all for kicking Middle Eastern ass, because as
far as they're concerned, they've done nothing to deserve attacks such as 9/11. Successive
administrations have fucked with the M.E. so much, that the whole place is finally fighting back.
 
The people who have been let down here are the public who frankly haven't a clue what's been going
on in their name, have been attacked & are now on the defensive.
 
Thoughts?

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen Weil
Sent: 18 June 2008 18:43
To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...


Sade1: 
 
Appreciate and understand your passionate response. My statement about well-meaning is it seemed like that at the time. It doesn't mean it was. This country has opened such a Pandora's Box in the Mid East, and now its reaping the consequences. And sadly, there is a segment in the U.S. that still doesn't get it and unfortunately, they vote en masse and as a bloc, while most Americans stay home on election day -- and that's why we've had the disgrace we've had for the last 7 years. But you probably don't need me to tell you that.
(Also, Saddam invaded Kuwait because we essentially told him he could, in April of '90.) 
Off my soap box now.
 
Keep the faith,
 
k.w.

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From: sade1 <mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>  
To: A list about all things Killing Joke  <mailto:gathering at misera.net> (the band!) 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...


   I dont think U.S. policy was at all well meaning, and as for misguided, 

i thiink the U.S. stayed on-message the whole time.

   From what i've read..

 - the U.S. covertly supported the election of the last 

   pre-Soviet president of Afghanistan because U.S. knew it would 

 - provoke the Russians to invade and 

 - with Ozzie bin Ladin and the proto-Taliban the U.S. would give the Russians 

                                                                            "your own Viet Nam.....!"
  Pretty filthy and underhanded. 

 

  It's (somewhat) like a local land developer fomenting the wife to cheat on her 

husband and the husband to cheat with the au pair while helpting the kids grow 

a poppy field in the garden to keep 'em stoned -  just so the land developer can 

run off with the house/land during the final divorce proceedings. 

 

Ingenious!

 

... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current state of things)

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 save me from Tomorrow..                          
 I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   


--- On Tue, 6/17/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:


From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 6:40 PM


And little did we know ...
Yet another example of what seemed like at the time as well-meaning (but ultimately very misguided) foreign policy.
 
 
ciao,
 
k.w.

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From: Brendan Quinn <mailto:bq at soundgardener.co.nz>  
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the  <mailto:gathering at misera.net> band!)' 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...


And the US supported the Taliban at the time as a proxy to fight the Russians, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 9:37 a.m.
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...
Importance: High

 

On MORE4 right now, Afghantsi, a documentary about the soviets in Afghanistan . 
Filmed during the occupation, from the Soviet POV, literally, not propaganda. 

The squadies thought it wouldn't be that difficult... 

 

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