[kj] Revelations indeed
ade
ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
Thu Jun 19 15:06:17 EDT 2008
Whilst perusing XTC videos on youpube, I found loads of entertaining
quotes attributed to Thomas Jefferson. One in particular reminded me
of the KJ 'Nazi's & Priest' t-shirt:
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to
liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses
in return for protection to his own."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
Just an example of the age-old struggle for power, but what a great
quote!
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Change
Sent: 19 June 2008 19:38
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] Revelations Retard
> Regarding torture, yeah I'd fucking agree to anything
> they said to stop them pouring boiling
> water down my throat. Hark at this depressing horror story:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6275152.stm
Makes the anti-social people stealing my stereo with a warrant seem rather trivial...
A hippy retard living below me thinks that if I play music loud I only do it to persecute him. So he keeps phoning the council to complain. He actually thinks that being able to hear music is comparable to being tortured in Guantanamo. Then again, he does also think I'm a satanist , a fascist and an agent of the CIA!
And the dipshit sold the copy of Revelations I leant him five years ago!
RTX, Kristin Hersh, Githead, Shellac, Michael Gira & the Dirty Three interviewed here:
http://www.perfectsoundforever.com
Polysics interviewed here:
http://www.cultcargo.net
--- On Thu, 19/6/08, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Thursday, 19 June, 2008, 1:27 PM
> They (the governments) clearly couldn't care less - all
> they do is 'dead agent' the people who
> disagree with them.
>
>
> Makes my imagination go wild.
>
> There's absolutely NOTHING we can do & that's
> not that I don't care or a cop-out, it's because
> there is nothing that *can* be done other than invading,
> which, erm, isn't the best way is it?
> Pre-emptive and all that.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan
> Quinn
> Sent: 19 June 2008 12:46
> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)'
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4
> now...
>
>
>
> The stupid thing is that, contrary to what you'd think,
> torture doesn't often render much useful information,
> and it's harmful not only to the torturee but also the
> torturer, let alone what it does to the culture who
> condones it.
>
>
>
> It's hard to know whether someone is telling the truth
> under torture, being deceptive, or just saying anything to
> avoid the pain.
>
>
>
> And re all the anti-war protests all over the world,
> it's telling that even with all that, doesn't seem
> to have any effect. I'm under the impression that more
> people were opposed to the UK aiding the US this time, yet
> Blair still went ahead and did it. Might be wrong on that
> one...?
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1
> Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:51 p.m.
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4
> now...
>
>
>
>
> On a somewhat related vein,
>
> "More than four in ten Americans (43%) say that the
> use of torture can be justified..."
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/pew/20080619/ts_pew/43torturejustified
>
>
> About antiwar protests in the US, i think (not sure)
> there were record
>
> attendance levels set during the runup to Gulf War II, as
> elsewhere around
>
> the world. A lot of people came out those days but, that
> said, a whopping
>
> 80+% were also all for it on the eve of "Operation
> Iraqi Liberation."
>
> [they later changed the name of it in order to get a
> different anagram].
>
>
>
> But yeah, if the government outshouts them, then, yeah,
> the Government wins,
>
> hands down. It's down to a formula at this point in
> time.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
> (looking at the current state of things)
>
>
> 'Save me..
>
>
> save me from Tomorrow..
> I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, folk devil
> <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4
> now...
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 11:38 AM
>
> Sorry Karen,
> But my experience of the majority of the American public,
> as with other countries, is do nothing, say nothing. They
> might as well be condoning the acts.
> The amount of anti war action going on, for the first 3
> years at least, was pathetic.
> In fact most people shouting out against it at the time
> were labeled crackpots etc..
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: karen.weil at sddt.com
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:33:23 -0700
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4
> now...
>
> Ade:
>
>
>
> With all due respect, the percentage who "are all for
> kicking Middle Eastern ass" is much smaller than you
> would believe, probably just 20 percent. (And these are the
> same delusional folks who will stand by our
> Corrupter-in-Chief, because they are blind, selfish
> ideologues.)
>
> A good chunk of Americans have woken up, but unfortunately,
> there's not a clear consensus on how to get out of Iraq
> now. And that's what's keeping our soldiers there.
> (Of course, a little dose of fear and questioning
> people's patriotism, courtesy of Bush's enablers in
> the corporate-owned media, doesn't hurt, either.)
>
> While the United States has been playing a dangerous game
> in that region for many years, I don't agree with you
> that many people don't think we've done
> "nothing" to deserve the attacks.
>
> There are many of us who understand what our reckless
> foreign policy has wrought, but terrorist violence will
> never, ever solve a damn thing.
>
> For the record, let me clearly state that I firmly believe
> that -- in spite of the U.S. bungling of foreign policy and
> unscrupulous motives -- 3,000-plus Americans did NOT deserve
> to lose their lives seven years ago, any more than innocent
> civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan do for the evil deeds done
> by their governments.)
>
> Thanks for letting me explain.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> k.w.
>
> San Diego
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: ade <mailto:ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:51 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4
> now...
>
>
>
> You know, I think many people in the States are all for
> kicking Middle Eastern ass, because as
>
> far as they're concerned, they've done nothing to
> deserve attacks such as 9/11. Successive
>
> administrations have fucked with the M.E. so much, that the
> whole place is finally fighting back.
>
>
>
> The people who have been let down here are the public who
> frankly haven't a clue what's been going
>
> on in their name, have been attacked & are now on the
> defensive.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen
> Weil
> Sent: 18 June 2008 18:43
> To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com; A list about all things Killing
> Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4
> now...
>
> Sade1:
>
>
>
> Appreciate and understand your passionate response. My
> statement about well-meaning is it seemed like that at the
> time. It doesn't mean it was. This country has opened
> such a Pandora's Box in the Mid East, and now its
> reaping the consequences. And sadly, there is a segment in
> the U.S. that still doesn't get it and unfortunately,
> they vote en masse and as a bloc, while most Americans stay
> home on election day -- and that's why we've had the
> disgrace we've had for the last 7 years. But you
> probably don't need me to tell you that.
>
> (Also, Saddam invaded Kuwait because we essentially told
> him he could, in April of '90.)
>
> Off my soap box now.
>
>
>
> Keep the faith,
>
>
>
> k.w.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: sade1 <mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:24 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4
> now...
>
>
>
>
> I dont think U.S. policy was at all well meaning, and as
> for misguided,
> i thiink the U.S. stayed on-message the whole time.
> From what i've read..
> - the U.S. covertly supported the election of the last
> pre-Soviet president of Afghanistan because U.S. knew it
> would
> - provoke the Russians to invade and
> - with Ozzie bin Ladin and the proto-Taliban the U.S.
> would give the Russians
>
> "your own Viet Nam.....!"
> Pretty filthy and underhanded.
>
> It's (somewhat) like a local land developer fomenting
> the wife to cheat on her
> husband and the husband to cheat with the au pair while
> helpting the kids grow
> a poppy field in the garden to keep 'em stoned - just
> so the land developer can
> run off with the house/land during the final divorce
> proceedings.
>
> Ingenious!
>
>
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
> (looking at the current state of things)
>
>
> 'Save me..
>
>
> save me from Tomorrow..
> I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/17/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4
> now...
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 6:40 PM
>
> And little did we know ...
>
> Yet another example of what seemed like at the time as
> well-meaning (but ultimately very misguided) foreign
> policy.
>
>
>
>
>
> ciao,
>
>
>
> k.w.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brendan <mailto:bq at soundgardener.co.nz> Quinn
>
> To: 'A list <mailto:gathering at misera.net> about
> all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:23 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4
> now...
>
>
>
> And the US supported the Taliban at the time as a proxy to
> fight the Russians, "the enemy of my enemy is my
> friend."
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 9:37 a.m.
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> On MORE4 right now, Afghantsi, a documentary about the
> soviets in Afghanistan .
> Filmed during the occupation, from the Soviet POV,
> literally, not propaganda.
> The squadies thought it wouldn't be that difficult...
>
>
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