[kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American Right

[Brendan]

SERPENT PEOPLE! Black Helicopters! Christ I thought I was a leftie
conspiracy theorist...


> Baaaaaaa, if you ever feel like a right winger don't worry.

> Just point to me and say "Sic' em!" :)

>

> Alas it's getting late now and I must be off to bed so I can wake up early

> for

> the David Icke Sermon!

>

> Cheers,

> Me

>

> At 07:48 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote:

>>Honestly babes, I don't know, I feel like some sort of right-winger on

>> this

>>list, eventhough I consider myself a left-leaning *realistic* liberal.

>> All I

>>want to do is smash the myths of the left as I was gullible enough to

>> believe

>>all that shit. Just as dogmatic & restrictive as the right, though less

>>dangerous in the short-term. Still damaging, but the bloodshed happens at

>> a

>>different time in the process compared to right-wing systems. The left

>> loves

>>to patronise & censor - something that people who're interested in

>> freedom

>>would find to be anathema - I know I do! I just don't think much of this

>> stuff

>>matters that much, after all there are pros & cons to EVERYTHING. We have

>> to

>>accept that life is not & never will match our ideals. Equality for all -

>> what

>>a load of rubbish. Equality for all, except for the policy makers &

>> untold

>>other exceptions! Human nature seems to determine that no system can work

>>because the weak-link is humanity itself! Back-handers anyone?

>>

>>I think we have to accept there will always be shit. I mean, what the

>> fuck

>>are we going to do about China? Nothing, other than some poxy boycotts,

>>etc. I'm not happy that my kids are targetted by advertising & they of

>>course need to be guided, whereas I personally don't get issues over

>>billboards of beautiful people selling me Gucci, 'cos frankly it's losers

>>trying to sell me an image/lifestyle/whatever. If one has to buy a

>>lifestyle, it shows how terribly transparent they are. Skin deep, etc.

>>

>>Look, just because the masses want to buy everything they're sold, how

>>different is that from whatever else the masses used to do in the past?

>>Are we not all about freedoms, anyway? Or do these 'vulnerable' people

>>need to be patronised? Frankly normaltons couldn't give a shit about all

>>of this. They'd read your email & just wonder "what the fuck is he going

>>on about?". Because they're too busy living life & not caring about

>>anything but that.

>>

>>Yes, corporates suck cock, I totally agree. Tv dumbs down society. But

>>are YOU dumbed down? Maybe the reality is that there will always be

>> plenty

>>people that are self dumbed-down anyway? Genuinely, I think we're

>> fighting

>>a battle against the nature of mankind itself. I'd say the left ideals

>> are

>>no more realisable as the right-wing - it will work for a bit, but will

>>eventually be about as sturdy as a sandcastle. In fact, I don't think ANY

>>system will work, because one size will never fit all.

>>

>>So, this utopia you mention, wherein there are *positive* messages all

>>around, where people are treated nicely & so on. When is that going to

>>happen? Sounds a bit like 'Logans Run' to me! Maybe the idea of US v/s

>>THEM is a fundamental part of human nature?

>>

>>

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

>>Sent: 17 March 2008 23:06

>>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American

>>Right

>>

>>

>>Yeah I hear you, but I just think that the negative social messages

>>portrayed by corporates and the press (same thing) that I'm talking about

>>are too intrusive, and the target audience is too vulnerable.

>>

>>Does it not bother you that you drive through the city and practically

>>wherever you are, you can't avoid catching billboards featuring the most

>>beautiful people they can find, surgically enhanced, gymmed up, fake tan,

>>expensive clothes, expensive photoshoot, photoshopped...who can live up

>> to

>>that?! And the messages they portray, the smug aloof superior looks on

>> their

>>faces..."This shit is exclusive! Only top grade pussy wears Gucci...you

>>could never interest anyone that sexy..."

>>

>>We're fucking devolving, maaaaaan.

>>

>>And what is the alternative? Cities could be made to actually look

>>beautiful, messages could be positive messages about US as opposed to US

>> vs

>>THEM (the beautiful people vs the masses...the rich vs the poor, the

>>discerning vs the plain, the popular vs the losers, the SPECIAL vs the

>> drab)

>>

>>The statistics are overwhelming...the amount of ads on children's tv for

>>nutritionless harmful super-sweet food vs healthy food that will actually

>>benefit them in some way, the bullshit collaboration between the press

>> and

>>govt / corporate lobby groups, the OWNERSHIP of the press by corporates

>> with

>>no social responsibility, etc etc. It's all very well saying 'hey you can

>>opt out at any time' but it's not that easy. (I just gave my telly away,

>>that helped a lot). I've seen it intensify since I was a kid...back in

>> the

>>day when I was a kid the telly wanted to sell me sports equipment, lego

>> and

>>other toys that would actually enhance my learning, and yes, plastic

>> pieces

>>of shit at McDonalds and junk food, now kids are getting pressure to have

>> a

>>cellphone, dress like an adult way before they are out of childhood,

>> behave

>>like the vapid actors and actresses on the faux reality-tv programmes

>> about

>>spoiled LA brats...

>>

>>NOTHING TO SAY!

>>

>>(Olly where are you when I need you hippie, back me up here I've gone out

>> on

>>a limb and I'm starting to invent words to bloster my argument. Or Greg,

>>you're completely wrong about Soundgarden but you're the leftist of the

>>bunch, you're needed at the front! ;)

>>

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> On

>>Behalf Of ade

>>Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:30 a.m.

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American

>> Right

>>

>>Dude, if people want to be smug fucking thin-veneered shallow

>> motherfuckers,

>>what's new??!! Ooh, I've got a lifestyle, I've got a fancy car, etc, etc.

>>That's THEM. Don't *just* blame consumerism - people like that would do

>> it

>>anyway... sometimes I think the lefty point of view just doesn't get that

>>*many* people are vile !!!!  Ooh, let's all cuddle-up & send bad vibes to

>>the corporates - lol !!!

>>

>>Don't you see that this is all about human communication? Constantly

>>evolving. The pendulum swings both ways... as do you! ;)

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

>>Sent: 17 March 2008 22:19

>>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American

>>Right

>>

>>

>>A lot of us went dark at that Manic twat for trying to sell us his

>>merchandise when this list was created for KJ fans to discuss KJ etc...so

>> I

>>suppose you could say Facebook conjures in some people a similar

>>sentiment...although I agree the circumstances are a bit different. One

>> of

>>the author's main gripes is the cynical commodititisation,

>>electronification, and distancification of basic human interaction, if

>> you

>>follow my invented words. The popularity contest with friends lists,

>> that's

>>the kind of stuff that REALLY gets on my goat, personally. I mean what,

>>aren't all the bullshit messages on billboards, tv, magazines, movies etc

>>enough to convince us that life is all about material wealth, populatiry,

>>and physical beauty?! The message is so overwhelmingly

>>prevalent...personally it disgusts me. Some areas seem to be chock full

>> of

>>people all with the perfect haircut, sunglasses, clothes, car etc, and

>> they

>>just radiate smug / superior. It's sickly. I could easily turn into one

>> of

>>those people if I wanted, but why? I'd quite honestly prefer hanging out

>>with EMOs :)

>>

>>Re. the sale of personal information to corporates (personal information

>>such as bands you like, your location, age, gender, etc). I think he has

>> a

>>point, and I think it's relevant to discuss the motives of the creators

>> of

>>Facebook too. He may have gone a bit rabid on it...perhaps.

>>

>>In terms of conspiracy 'theories'...a question: When a conspiracy theory

>>becomes a conspiracy reality...do people take notice? Another

>> question...how

>>many people think that Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald? How

>>many people with any basic understanding of physics, think that...?

>>

>>As Bill Hicks said...Back and to the left...back and to the left...

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> On

>>Behalf Of ade

>>Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:16 a.m.

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American

>> Right

>>

>>Pat-ster,

>>

>>I'm surprised you can't see just what a heap of sh!t that so-called

>>article is. Wow - big money people invest in things that could be big.

>>NOT ONCE have I had to divulge any information such as purchasing

>>preferences, ID card details (what fucking ID card??? Is he writing

>>from the future???), etc, to Facebook HQ whilst setting up or using

>>my account. I find it useful to keep in touch with people from work.

>>Neither have I had to divulge anything to Myspace - I have a load of

>>Myspace pages for music projects. It's somewhere to upload mp3's!

>>

>>And if you think I'm blind to it, a) I'm *proper* paranoid, lol &

>>b) I'm a 'techie' - I don't just sign up for anything. I don't want

>>the scum to know ANYTHING. In fact, I rarely register for *anything*

>>on the web.

>>

>>Now, did you post that turd? I bet they'll be x-raying the package.

>>They're watching you... ;)

>>

>>

>>ade.

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of iPat

>>Sent: 17 March 2008 18:22

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American

>>Right

>>

>>

>>A shame i wasted my useful time reading that email

>>i wonder if i could pen a patronising bit of drivvel as well

>>

>>Who knows, maybe e can get some prick to autograph it, though it might

>>hide behind pseudonyms to give itself a false platform of

>>intelligence.

>>

>>ill call it

>>

>>"a fart under the covers"

>>

>>off now, feel a shit coming on. I ll send it somewhere.

>>

>>On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM, The Exorcist

>><killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >  A shame I wasted my useful time reading that crap.

>> >  I wonder if I ought to pen a long article about that as well!

>> >

>> >  Who knows, maybe I can have Mr. Tom Hodgkinson autograph it. Though

>> he'll

>> > probably use a

>> >  false signature to avoid detection... Just in case.... Ya know?

>> >

>> >  I'll call it

>> >

>> >  "Angry male who sees conspiracies everywhere and despises successful

>>people

>> > who have

>> >  different political views than he does".

>> >

>> >  Maybe I'll submit it to The Guaridan as well. I've heard that they

>> like

>>to

>> > publish some really crappy articles.

>> >

>> >

>>iPat

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