[kj] Dutch

[Brendan]

A Kiwi comedy band did an album called Brown Sabbath...


> LOL - Metal up yer arse!!!!

>

> I heard brown was a fave colour for Aussie's, so had to ask...

>

> And so is dealt the killing blow!

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan

> Sent: 31 October 2008 09:49

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>

>

> No way man, alvays haff I been into da METAL man, so of course it's being

> BLACK.

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> Vouch!!

>

>> Totally ;)

>>

>> Is brown your favourite colour?

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan

>> Sent: 30 October 2008 07:02

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>>

>>

>> That's such a typical white male pommy thing to say.

>>

>>> Maybe the need to categorise is a by-product of how our brains work?

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>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

>>> Behalf Of folk devil

>>> Sent: 29 October 2008 17:29

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

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>>>

>>> Nationality is a myth.

>>> It just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even when it cannot

>>> represent

>>> every Culture contained inside.

>>>

>>>

>>> ""

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>>>> From: karen.weil at sddt.com

>>>> To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net

>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>>>>

>>>> OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a general sense. And guess

>>>> what? I

>>>> actually think that about *most* people -- regardless of nationality,

>>>> etc.

>>>>

>>>> Respectfully,

>>>>

>>>> k.w.

>>>> (open-minded American)

>>>>

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> From: "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM

>>>> Subject: [kj] Dutch

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> > ALL the Dutch are good people?

>>>> >

>>>> > That seems a simplisitic view...

>>>> >

>>>> >> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,

>>>> >> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets

>>>> >> Below: How We Wait in Europe

>>>> >>

>>>> >>

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch are good people

>>>> >> (but sorry about your one experience there!) And I

>>>> >> couldn't agree with you about judging an entire

>>>> >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions of a few jerks.

>>>> >> It only leads to no good.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Anyway, tot ziens!

>>>> >>

>>>> >> k.w.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> >> From: jerry bodkin

>>>> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM

>>>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe

>>>> >> Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are a lovely

>>>> >> people, ive been there several times including once for just

>>>> >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but we'll leave

>>>> >> that there! France too is a beautiful beautiful place and

>>>> >> the people there too are lovely once you make an effort with

>>>> >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the language. Give me

>>>> >> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire race on

>>>> >> individual behaviour, my God, what must most of the world

>>>> >> think of us English. Jelala.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:

>>>> >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net> Date:

>>>> >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice

>>>> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > Hi,

>>>> >> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on Belgium;

>>>> >> it's a fine place. Germany also offers > so much, and

>>>> >> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.> However, I have to

>>>> >> take issue with your comments about the Dutch and >

>>>> >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally different

>>>> >> attitude when it > comes to languages; that's why so

>>>> >> many of them speak three or four of them. > Whatever

>>>> >> differences they may have with their European neighbors; I

>>>> >> really > don't think the English issue plays a great

>>>> >> role.> And while Paris is outrageously expensive (I was

>>>> >> there in May; and believe > me, it was no fun coming from

>>>> >> a country where the currency is in the > toilet!), I

>>>> >> really can't agree with your observations about the

>>>> >> French, > either. (Although I will concur about their

>>>> >> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy travelling -- veel

>>>> >> plezier, as the Dutch say!> > Groetjes,> >

>>>> >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:

>>>> >> "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

>>>> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>>> >> band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:

>>>> >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: [kj] Nice

>>>> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > > > How

>>>> >> nice it was to escape this ever more petty joke of a nation,

>>>> >> occupied > > as it has been by the USA since WW2. If

>>>> >> you want to get away from this > > rotten island then

>>>> >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too far by > >

>>>> >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is beautiful. The streets

>>>> >> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the people are

>>>> >> jolly and kind and there is great art > > everywhere.

>>>> >> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home. There are also

>>>> >> > > lots of Belgians with little noses straight out of

>>>> >> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer are amazing. I

>>>> >> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I made it > >

>>>> >> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams had been aborted

>>>> >> by a flower > > festival because I walked along the

>>>> >> canal to get back to the station and > > realised that

>>>> >> this is architecturally the most beautiful city I have seen.

>>>> >> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet though!

>>>> >> Antwerp looks like a low rent > > Barcelona copy, in

>>>> >> the same way Manchester tries to be European but always >

>>>> >> > ends up looking like> > a post-industrial dump.

>>>> >> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were partying > >

>>>> >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think the rest of

>>>> >> Europe is crap > > just because they don't all

>>>> >> speak perfect English! "Those crazy Dutch!" >

>>>> >> > said Lewis but I can't remember why. Maybe it was

>>>> >> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE rejected in

>>>> >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was so > >

>>>> >> grotty she didn't even want to put her bag down in it

>>>> >> let alone sleep in > > it!> >> > Berlin is

>>>> >> a great place to explore, full of impressive sites and large

>>>> >> > > enough to spend years there I'd warrant.

>>>> >> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most lovely park

>>>> >> I've ever strolled through. German venues also make a

>>>> >> > > mockery of British ones in terms of the sound.>

>>>> >> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market where I found a

>>>> >> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a light sabre for

>>>> >> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for twenty > >

>>>> >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern art gallery,

>>>> >> watched over by > > one of Lovecraft's Forgotten

>>>> >> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there > > so

>>>> >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne friend Dirk

>>>> >> from the > > Gathering reckons Strasbourg is cool

>>>> >> because of the huge German influence. > > Cancel your

>>>> >> order, crossing the border, changing the menu!> >>

>>>> >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll but Paris is

>>>> >> full of too many slow > > people and the prices are

>>>> >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense que je > >

>>>> >> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels are the worst.

>>>> >> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the beer is worse than

>>>> >> Britain. French computer > > keyboards were designed

>>>> >> by a retard and the showers go some way to > >

>>>> >> explaining why the English have often mocked the French for

>>>> >> being > > hygenically challenged. The redeeming

>>>> >> feature of the French is that many > > of them seem to

>>>> >> really love WIRE and gave the most enthusiastic response

>>>> >> > > of any crowds on this tour.> >> >

>>>> >> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road trip:>

>>>> >> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels in the middle

>>>> >> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE pageant. I had

>>>> >> time to visit the city's most mainstream record >

>>>> >> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique which Killing

>>>> >> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was rewarded by

>>>> >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY > > singles

>>>> >> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED HOME.'>

>>>> >> >> > After a couple of hours I caught the train to

>>>> >> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at Democrazy.>

>>>> >> >> > Next day I took trains via Antwerp and a bus

>>>> >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just in time to

>>>> >> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and Dutch > >

>>>> >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE blasted off at

>>>> >> around 7pm. Later I > > was also entertained by the

>>>> >> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal > > band

>>>> >> who gave the crowd the finger for watching them, all of

>>>> >> which was > > unexpected.> >> > On

>>>> >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely WIRE gig at La

>>>> >> Botanique, a > > venue which could verily call itself

>>>> >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. > > I struck up

>>>> >> conversation with a charming photographer and graphic

>>>> >> designer > > called Violette who sent me eight great

>>>> >> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >> > After the gig

>>>> >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and jumped on the night

>>>> >> > > train where I was entertained by conversation with

>>>> >> a former theatre > > director who had just aborted a

>>>> >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to > >

>>>> >> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My first police

>>>> >> encounter was > > with two cops on the Ostbahnhof

>>>> >> platform who took a rather long time > > checking to

>>>> >> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me for listening

>>>> >> to > > music in my living room. Berlin is also very

>>>> >> cool and well worth a visit > > in its own right, but

>>>> >> smells worse than Brussels.> >> > The first

>>>> >> night was free before the arrival of KILLING JOKE so I

>>>> >> checked > > out the SO36 venue where they and WIRE

>>>> >> played, which was immortalised in a > > song on the

>>>> >> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was excellent as are all

>>>> >> > > other German venues I've ever been to. The

>>>> >> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before the headline

>>>> >> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very funny but >

>>>> >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the gig and I run

>>>> >> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE gigs.>

>>>> >> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE regeneration in

>>>> >> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum kit illuminated

>>>> >> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to head to > >

>>>> >> Paris to see them there. The train times were TOO LATE so at

>>>> >> the last > > minute I rerouted to Strasbourg for more

>>>> >> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice as the COMET

>>>> >> hit very late and I caught the whole set in front of a >

>>>> >> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a festival that

>>>> >> went on until 6am. > > Next day my second run in with

>>>> >> cops was with two French transport police > > who ask

>>>> >> me to wrap up my sword so that it couldn't be seen

>>>> >> before I caught > > the train.> >> > Paris

>>>> >> next for more WIRE, on a first class train where I started

>>>> >> downing > > some of the left over Heineken from last

>>>> >> night's rider and upset a French > > idiot who had

>>>> >> a tantrum because I couldn't stop belching even when she

>>>> >> > > kicked my chair. She complained to the guard and

>>>> >> he clearly thought it was > > a bit silly having to

>>>> >> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help it. In the >

>>>> >> > end she started complaining I was playing the BUTTHOLE

>>>> >> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones and he came

>>>> >> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it > >

>>>> >> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and moved to another

>>>> >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the sword was

>>>> >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going to Paris my

>>>> >> advice is don't bother. Go in a > > cafe that

>>>> >> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy waiters will

>>>> >> > > chearge you five.> >> > It was nice to

>>>> >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was already >

>>>> >> > seeming like a second home. I found many cool CDs in

>>>> >> the shops, including > > quite appropriately

>>>> >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three days I had >

>>>> >> > plenty of time to explore and each day surpassed the

>>>> >> previous one. I met > > so many great people in

>>>> >> Belgium I felt like moving there!> >> > My

>>>> >> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding train were>

>>>> >> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE - Drill (DJ

>>>> >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the moderate Craig

>>>> >> won't like that will he?> > KILLING JOKE -

>>>> >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> > EINSTURZENDE

>>>> >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF SUSANS - Guitar

>>>> >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song> > WIRE -

>>>> >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> > BUTTHOLE SURFERS -

>>>> >> Who was in my room last night?> >> > Back home

>>>> >> after another awesome double dose of the mighty JOKE I had a

>>>> >> day > > of rest and didn't even have time enough

>>>> >> to notice what a terminal dump > > Manchester is

>>>> >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the town and give me

>>>> >> > > a chance to catch up with lots of old friends.

>>>> >> That is the great thing > > about Manchester, lots of

>>>> >> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was off again to

>>>> >> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as > >

>>>> >> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA ZEDEK and her

>>>> >> band began their > > tour the very next day. She's

>>>> >> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her > > out

>>>> >> while you still can...> >> >

>>>> >> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> > Her tour ends

>>>> >> on October 23 at La Botanique in Brussels!> >> >

>>>> >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in England and

>>>> >> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi I had to zoom

>>>> >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger > >

>>>> >> sister's wedding. The lavish reception was held on a

>>>> >> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles and I resisted

>>>> >> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I > > gave

>>>> >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ HARVEY as

>>>> >> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of Love"

>>>> >> couldn't really be a better song to wish for a long

>>>> >> loving > > marriage, at the end of this burning

>>>> >> world.> >> > Then I went home to transcribe

>>>> >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and > > WIRE,

>>>> >> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait for civilization

>>>> >> to fall > > in its grave.> >> >

>>>> >> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >> >>

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