[kj] oliver / fox election spin

[sade1]

> it is more like a cracker, sorta.. 


..like a cosmic communion wafer?

 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   





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From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 4:14:04 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] oliver / fox election spin


Mmm.. it is more like a cracker, sorta lumpy - wavy on the surface but inevitably flat is what I heard.
 

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From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Alex Smith
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:16 PM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] oliver / fox election spin
 
Sadly, a considerable amount of Americans believe the earth is flat.
Alex in NYC


-----Original Message----- 
From: folk devil 
Sent: Nov 6, 2008 3:10 PM 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Subject: Re: [kj] oliver / fox election spin 

A considerable amount of Americans believe Socialism is Communism :/

"


> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:06:18 -0600

> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] oliver / fox election spin

> 

> You're asking me?

> 

> For the same reason you had a solid chunk of the GOP base stubbornly 

> believing Obama was a "SOCIALIST!" because he merely wanted to go back 

> to the Clinton tax rates. "Socialism" is such a bad smear word in the 

> US, a frightful bogeyman, and in popular discourse it's lost any real 

> meaning. It technically means "government (or public) ownership of the 

> means of production." But to like maybe 1/4 of the US population it just 

> means "taxes I don't like to pay," which is stupid.

> 

> This 1 hour program, _Frontline: Sick Around the World_, is the best 

> comparison I have seen between the health care systems of the US , 

> England , Germany , Taiwan , Japan , and Switzerland . It shws how other 

> countries can do it and the US cannot. (Better than "Sicko.") The makers 

> of the documentary went out of their way to contrast the US to 

> _capitalist democracies_:

> 

> 

> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

> 

> 

> And, yes, 14% of our GDP goes to heathcare, compared to the average of 

> 8% of countries in the West who have universal health care, and we get 

> far worse outcomes, including almost 50 million lacking health care. 

> Japan spends 7% of its GDP and has the lngest lifespan, lower infant 

> mortality, and everyone is covered somehow.

> 

> It makes no sense. But the private insurance lobby in the US would not 

> have it any other way.

> 

> -Oliver

> 

> 

> 

> Brendan wrote:

> > So what exactly is up with your healthcare system, why do you pay so much

> > over there and still get so little for your dollar?

> >

> > 

> > 

> 

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