[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[Brendan]

It's quite a weird thought, giving up your 'countryness'...but I'm quite
happy to do it.

It's gonna be funny looking back from the other end of this century to
now, I'm sure things are going to be so different, one way or another. I
mean look at the beginnging and end of the 20th century...

And I still haven't picked up my lycra one-poice future space uniform,
fuck's sake.


>

> The 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it my idea

> (and Progressive Labor Party's)

> platform for communism too...> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:30:45 +1300>

> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj]

> OT: The Venus Project> > I have sorta been expecting something like this

> ever since the web came> into being, or even email. Replication of memes

> is incredibly fast and> almost impossible to stop by the corporate lobby.>

> > They have some interesting ideas.> > I already agree that rational,

> intelligent, well educated, unbiased minds> (scientists in particular)

> should have far more say, over corporates,> politicians, the religious

> lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have far too> much say.> > I agree that

> the military are an anachronism to a large extent (although> until every

> disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one> step...but the US

> pulling military out from o/s bases for example would be> a start...)> > I

> agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of cars> and

> implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss goodbye to> the

> road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)> > What I find

> interesting is their idea that human nature is largely> irrelevant - it's

> the environment that dictates behaviour. In the absence> of scarcity,

> people tend to be nice and share with each other. With> scarcity and fear

> of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of wealth,> to the point that

> many don't even have the basics...you end up with> poverty, crime, poor

> health etc.> > Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno about

> moving to a> system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea of

> doing away with> countries.> > Interesting stuff, kind of what I've been

> harping on about for a while.> > Wonder how big their island is...?> > > >

> >> > who ever does their PR is rather good ;)> > they're all over the

> internets.."> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From:

> humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:> > gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT:

> The Venus Project> >

> http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&search_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted>

> >> > you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through a few>

> > minutes.....> >> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan Quinn

> <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>> > wrote:> >> >> >> > So has anyone seen

> Zeitgeist: Addendum?> >> > Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting the

> word 'addendum' in a title> > (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm intrigued

> by 'The Venus Project.' (Well> > mainly the part about self-replicating

> machines doing all the work I> > suppose

)> >> > www.thevenusproject.com>

> >> > They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though, for a

> bunch> > of people espousing science over everything else, they can't

> write good.> >> > And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II: Zeit

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