[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[GREG SLAWSON]

Good points ade, except I don't think it's "our nature" to fight over stuff--very little of our behavior is due to "human nature" in fact--so hopefully social changes will lead to nicer people too!

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:37:53 +0000From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project



> I hope one day they'll be no need for either 

 
Me too, though think it's thousands of years away.
 
Frank Herbert goes through these ideas throughout the Dune books, but at the end I think he realised there will always be struggle because there will always be groups that move against each other (no matter how transient) - it seems to be our nature. Oh well!

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSONSent: 14 November 2008 21:01To: gatheringSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus ProjectDepends on how big the movement is...BUt I hope one day they'll be no need for either (everyone can getstuff w/o $, and people can live where they want w/o lines on the map)...

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:32:53 +0000From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project


How about all the people who are happy with money & countries? Will they just be forced to accept someone else's ideals ?

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSONSent: 14 November 2008 18:10To: gatheringSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus ProjectThe 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it my idea (and Progressive Labor Party's)platform for communism too...> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:30:45 +1300> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project> > I have sorta been expecting something like this ever since the web came> into being, or even email. Replication of memes is incredibly fast and> almost impossible to stop by the corporate lobby.> > They have some interesting ideas.> > I already agree that rational, intelligent, well educated, unbiased minds> (scientists in particular) should have far more say, over corporates,> politicians, the religious lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have far too> much say.> > I agree that the military are an anachronism to a large extent (although> until every disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one> step...but the US pulling military out from o/s bases for example would be> a start...)> > I agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of cars> and implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss goodbye to> the road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)> > What I find interesting is their idea that human nature is largely> irrelevant - it's the environment that dictates behaviour. In the absence> of scarcity, people tend to be nice and share with each other. With> scarcity and fear of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of wealth,> to the point that many don't even have the basics...you end up with> poverty, crime, poor health etc.> > Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno about moving to a> system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea of doing away with> countries.> > Interesting stuff, kind of what I've been harping on about for a while.> > Wonder how big their island is...?> > > > >> > who ever does their PR is rather good ;)> > they're all over the internets.."> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:> > gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project> > http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&search_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted> >> > you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through a few> > minutes.....> >> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>> > wrote:> >> >> >> > So has anyone seen Zeitgeist: Addendum?> >> > Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting the word 'addendum' in a title> > (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm intrigued by 'The Venus Project.' (Well> > mainly the part about self-replicating machines doing all the work I> > suppose…)> >> > www.thevenusproject.com> >> > They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though, for a bunch> > of people espousing science over everything else, they can't write good.> >> > And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II: Zeit Geister.> > _______________________________________________Gathering mailing> > listGathering at misera.nethttp://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering--> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been> > postponed indefinitely..."> > _________________________________________________________________> > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.> > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008_______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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