[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[Brendan]

You just wait and see the difference the internets and renewable energy
and fuckable / cleanable robots has.


>> I mean look at the difference between 1908 & 2000...light years apart

>

> I'll say it again, eventhough you ignored it the last time. No, they are

> not!

>

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> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

> Sent: 17 November 2008 10:49

> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>

>

> I said looking back from the end of this century to now (the

> beginning)...I

> mean look at the difference between 1908 & 2000...light years apart.

>

> 1980 until now...you can now carry a device around that will connect you

> to

> people all over the world via video, sound, text, GPS, you can use it to

> locate all sorts of amenities, show you the best route somewhere, connect

> to

> computers all over the world, play music, games, get your work done...we

> have mapped the entire human genome, found evidence of a dwarf race in

> Indonesia, developed nanotechnology, I could go on and on...and in the

> scheme of things 28 years isn't even close to a blink!

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On

> Behalf Of Janean Lancaster

> Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 20:58

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>

>> It's gonna be funny looking back from the other end of this century to

>> now, I'm sure things are going to be so different, one way or another.

>

> I don't think it's going to be much different.  Back in 1980 we were all

> excited about the space-age and were expecting to be living in pods with

> hover cars for transport by the year 2000.

>

> Nearest thing we've got is flat screen TVs and iPods. And those silver

> suits the "celebs" wear on Hole in the Wall.

>

> That Venus Project looks so cool, but such a utopia is never going to

> happen. (And it looks like he's selling up...)

>

> Very interesting though, love that kind of thing.

>

> Cheers,

> Janean

>

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>> On Behalf Of Brendan

>> Sent: 14 November 2008 18:20

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>>

>> It's quite a weird thought, giving up your 'countryness'...but I'm

> quite

>> happy to do it.

>>

>> It's gonna be funny looking back from the other end of this century to

>> now, I'm sure things are going to be so different, one way or another.

> I

>> mean look at the beginnging and end of the 20th century...

>>

>> And I still haven't picked up my lycra one-poice future space uniform,

>> fuck's sake.

>>

>> >

>> > The 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it my

> idea

>> > (and Progressive Labor Party's)

>> > platform for communism too...> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:30:45

> +1300>

>> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re:

>> [kj]

>> > OT: The Venus Project> > I have sorta been expecting something like

> this

>> > ever since the web came> into being, or even email. Replication of

> memes

>> > is incredibly fast and> almost impossible to stop by the corporate

>> lobby.>

>> > > They have some interesting ideas.> > I already agree that

> rational,

>> > intelligent, well educated, unbiased minds> (scientists in

> particular)

>> > should have far more say, over corporates,> politicians, the

> religious

>> > lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have far too> much say.> > I

> agree

>> that

>> > the military are an anachronism to a large extent (although> until

> every

>> > disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one> step...but

> the US

>> > pulling military out from o/s bases for example would be> a

> start...)> >

>> I

>> > agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of

> cars>

>> and

>> > implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss goodbye

> to>

>> the

>> > road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)> > What I

>> find

>> > interesting is their idea that human nature is largely> irrelevant -

>> it's

>> > the environment that dictates behaviour. In the absence> of

> scarcity,

>> > people tend to be nice and share with each other. With> scarcity and

>> fear

>> > of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of wealth,> to the

> point

>> that

>> > many don't even have the basics...you end up with> poverty, crime,

> poor

>> > health etc.> > Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno

> about

>> > moving to a> system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea

> of

>> > doing away with> countries.> > Interesting stuff, kind of what I've

> been

>> > harping on about for a while.> > Wonder how big their island is...?>

>> >

>> >

>> > >> > who ever does their PR is rather good ;)> > they're all over

> the

>> > internets.."> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From:

>> > humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:> > gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj]

> OT:

>> > The Venus Project> >

>> >

>>

> http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&sea

> rc

>> h_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted>

>> > >> > you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through

> a

>> few>

>> > > minutes.....> >> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan

>> Quinn

>> > <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>> > wrote:> >> >> >> > So has anyone seen

>> > Zeitgeist: Addendum?> >> > Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting

> the

>> > word 'addendum' in a title> > (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm

>> intrigued

>> > by 'The Venus Project.' (Well> > mainly the part about

> self-replicating

>> > machines doing all the work I> > suppose...)> >> >

>> www.thevenusproject.com>

>> > >> > They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though,

> for

>> a

>> > bunch> > of people espousing science over everything else, they

> can't

>> > write good.> >> > And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II:

> Zeit

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