[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[Brendan Quinn]

I just thought of a way to win this argument.

Timewave theory, 9 million years.

Checkmate.

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of ade
Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 06:56
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project


> I mean look at the difference between 1908 & 2000...light years apart


I'll say it again, eventhough you ignored it the last time. No, they are
not!

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn
Sent: 17 November 2008 10:49
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project


I said looking back from the end of this century to now (the beginning)...I
mean look at the difference between 1908 & 2000...light years apart.

1980 until now...you can now carry a device around that will connect you to
people all over the world via video, sound, text, GPS, you can use it to
locate all sorts of amenities, show you the best route somewhere, connect to
computers all over the world, play music, games, get your work done...we
have mapped the entire human genome, found evidence of a dwarf race in
Indonesia, developed nanotechnology, I could go on and on...and in the
scheme of things 28 years isn't even close to a blink!

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Janean Lancaster
Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 20:58
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project


> It's gonna be funny looking back from the other end of this century to

> now, I'm sure things are going to be so different, one way or another.


I don't think it's going to be much different.  Back in 1980 we were all
excited about the space-age and were expecting to be living in pods with
hover cars for transport by the year 2000.

Nearest thing we've got is flat screen TVs and iPods. And those silver
suits the "celebs" wear on Hole in the Wall.

That Venus Project looks so cool, but such a utopia is never going to
happen. (And it looks like he's selling up...)

Very interesting though, love that kind of thing.

Cheers,
Janean


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> On Behalf Of Brendan

> Sent: 14 November 2008 18:20

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> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> 

> It's quite a weird thought, giving up your 'countryness'...but I'm

quite

> happy to do it.

> 

> It's gonna be funny looking back from the other end of this century to

> now, I'm sure things are going to be so different, one way or another.

I

> mean look at the beginnging and end of the 20th century...

> 

> And I still haven't picked up my lycra one-poice future space uniform,

> fuck's sake.

> 

> >

> > The 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it my

idea

> > (and Progressive Labor Party's)

> > platform for communism too...> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:30:45

+1300>

> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re:

> [kj]

> > OT: The Venus Project> > I have sorta been expecting something like

this

> > ever since the web came> into being, or even email. Replication of

memes

> > is incredibly fast and> almost impossible to stop by the corporate

> lobby.>

> > > They have some interesting ideas.> > I already agree that

rational,

> > intelligent, well educated, unbiased minds> (scientists in

particular)

> > should have far more say, over corporates,> politicians, the

religious

> > lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have far too> much say.> > I

agree

> that

> > the military are an anachronism to a large extent (although> until

every

> > disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one> step...but

the US

> > pulling military out from o/s bases for example would be> a

start...)> >

> I

> > agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of

cars>

> and

> > implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss goodbye

to>

> the

> > road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)> > What I

> find

> > interesting is their idea that human nature is largely> irrelevant -

> it's

> > the environment that dictates behaviour. In the absence> of

scarcity,

> > people tend to be nice and share with each other. With> scarcity and

> fear

> > of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of wealth,> to the

point

> that

> > many don't even have the basics...you end up with> poverty, crime,

poor

> > health etc.> > Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno

about

> > moving to a> system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea

of

> > doing away with> countries.> > Interesting stuff, kind of what I've

been

> > harping on about for a while.> > Wonder how big their island is...?>

> >

> >

> > >> > who ever does their PR is rather good ;)> > they're all over

the

> > internets.."> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From:

> > humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:> > gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj]

OT:

> > The Venus Project> >

> >

>

http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&sea
rc

> h_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted>

> > >> > you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through

a

> few>

> > > minutes.....> >> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan

> Quinn

> > <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>> > wrote:> >> >> >> > So has anyone seen

> > Zeitgeist: Addendum?> >> > Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting

the

> > word 'addendum' in a title> > (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm

> intrigued

> > by 'The Venus Project.' (Well> > mainly the part about

self-replicating

> > machines doing all the work I> > suppose...)> >> >

> www.thevenusproject.com>

> > >> > They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though,

for

> a

> > bunch> > of people espousing science over everything else, they

can't

> > write good.> >> > And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II:

Zeit

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