[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[The Exorcist]

Don't be such a right handist. Lefties exist as well!

At 03:20 PM 11/17/2008, ade wrote:

>Now yer talking! Harnessing the power of right-hand-activities could 

>revolutionise energy production!

>

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>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan

>Sent: 17 November 2008 20:03

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>

>

>You just wait and see the difference the internets and renewable energy

>and fuckable / cleanable robots has.

>

> >> I mean look at the difference between 1908 & 2000...light years apart

> >

> > I'll say it again, eventhough you ignored it the last time. No, they are

> > not!

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

> > Sent: 17 November 2008 10:49

> > To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> >

> >

> > I said looking back from the end of this century to now (the

> > beginning)...I

> > mean look at the difference between 1908 & 2000...light years apart.

> >

> > 1980 until now...you can now carry a device around that will connect you

> > to

> > people all over the world via video, sound, text, GPS, you can use it to

> > locate all sorts of amenities, show you the best route somewhere, connect

> > to

> > computers all over the world, play music, games, get your work done...we

> > have mapped the entire human genome, found evidence of a dwarf race in

> > Indonesia, developed nanotechnology, I could go on and on...and in the

> > scheme of things 28 years isn't even close to a blink!

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> > On

> > Behalf Of Janean Lancaster

> > Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 20:58

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> >

> >> It's gonna be funny looking back from the other end of this century to

> >> now, I'm sure things are going to be so different, one way or another.

> >

> > I don't think it's going to be much different.  Back in 1980 we were all

> > excited about the space-age and were expecting to be living in pods with

> > hover cars for transport by the year 2000.

> >

> > Nearest thing we've got is flat screen TVs and iPods. And those silver

> > suits the "celebs" wear on Hole in the Wall.

> >

> > That Venus Project looks so cool, but such a utopia is never going to

> > happen. (And it looks like he's selling up...)

> >

> > Very interesting though, love that kind of thing.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Janean

> >

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> >> On Behalf Of Brendan

> >> Sent: 14 November 2008 18:20

> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> >>

> >> It's quite a weird thought, giving up your 'countryness'...but I'm

> > quite

> >> happy to do it.

> >>

> >> It's gonna be funny looking back from the other end of this century to

> >> now, I'm sure things are going to be so different, one way or another.

> > I

> >> mean look at the beginnging and end of the 20th century...

> >>

> >> And I still haven't picked up my lycra one-poice future space uniform,

> >> fuck's sake.

> >>

> >> >

> >> > The 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it my

> > idea

> >> > (and Progressive Labor Party's)

> >> > platform for communism too...> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:30:45

> > +1300>

> >> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re:

> >> [kj]

> >> > OT: The Venus Project> > I have sorta been expecting something like

> > this

> >> > ever since the web came> into being, or even email. Replication of

> > memes

> >> > is incredibly fast and> almost impossible to stop by the corporate

> >> lobby.>

> >> > > They have some interesting ideas.> > I already agree that

> > rational,

> >> > intelligent, well educated, unbiased minds> (scientists in

> > particular)

> >> > should have far more say, over corporates,> politicians, the

> > religious

> >> > lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have far too> much say.> > I

> > agree

> >> that

> >> > the military are an anachronism to a large extent (although> until

> > every

> >> > disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one> step...but

> > the US

> >> > pulling military out from o/s bases for example would be> a

> > start...)> >

> >> I

> >> > agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of

> > cars>

> >> and

> >> > implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss goodbye

> > to>

> >> the

> >> > road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)> > What I

> >> find

> >> > interesting is their idea that human nature is largely> irrelevant -

> >> it's

> >> > the environment that dictates behaviour. In the absence> of

> > scarcity,

> >> > people tend to be nice and share with each other. With> scarcity and

> >> fear

> >> > of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of wealth,> to the

> > point

> >> that

> >> > many don't even have the basics...you end up with> poverty, crime,

> > poor

> >> > health etc.> > Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno

> > about

> >> > moving to a> system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea

> > of

> >> > doing away with> countries.> > Interesting stuff, kind of what I've

> > been

> >> > harping on about for a while.> > Wonder how big their island is...?>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > >> > who ever does their PR is rather good ;)> > they're all over

> > the

> >> > internets.."> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From:

> >> > humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:> > gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj]

> > OT:

> >> > The Venus Project> >

> >> >

> >>

> > http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&sea

> > rc

> >> h_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted>

> >> > >> > you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through

> > a

> >> few>

> >> > > minutes.....> >> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan

> >> Quinn

> >> > <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>> > wrote:> >> >> >> > So has anyone seen

> >> > Zeitgeist: Addendum?> >> > Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting

> > the

> >> > word 'addendum' in a title> > (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm

> >> intrigued

> >> > by 'The Venus Project.' (Well> > mainly the part about

> > self-replicating

> >> > machines doing all the work I> > suppose...)> >> >

> >> www.thevenusproject.com>

> >> > >> > They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though,

> > for

> >> a

> >> > bunch> > of people espousing science over everything else, they

> > can't

> >> > write good.> >> > And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II:

> > Zeit

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