[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[wyn davies]

here's the torrent enclosed if anyone hasn't seen it yet:

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I watched it the other night. I must say I agree with most of it in  
principal.  However what's on offer is rather one sided ( they were  
the only named contributors - venus project have a lot to gain) ,  
which in my view, for this particular aspect doesn't give it the  
breadth it deserves.
There are plenty of visionaries, such as Paolo Soleri, Buckminster  
Fuller, even Antonio San't Elia, Syd Mead etc whose ideas / designs  
cut more ice than these guys... ( sorry ,I'm an architect)

Star trek did it better in my opinion.... though doesn't mean that the  
principals aren't better than what we've got now...


On 14 Nov 2008, at 23:20, ade wrote:


> Yeah, will have a look old bean.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan

> Sent: 14 November 2008 22:10

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>

>

> Ade - if you're interested (it's a bit of a read), read the Venus

> manifesto on their website, the 70 page PDF doco, it specifically

> addresses the issue of 'nature', in a relatively new way. When I get  

> home

> I'll try and find the page no it's on. Explained pretty well in  

> Zeitgeist:

> Addendum, should be able to be torrented...

>

>>> I hope one day they'll be no need for either

>>

>> Me too, though think it's thousands of years away.

>>

>> Frank Herbert goes through these ideas throughout the Dune books,  

>> but at

>> the end I think he realised there will always be struggle because  

>> there

>> will always be groups that move against each other (no matter how

>> transient) - it seems to be our nature. Oh well!

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>> ]On

>> Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON

>> Sent: 14 November 2008 21:01

>> To: gathering

>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>>

>>

>> Depends on how big the movement is...BUt I hope one day they'll be  

>> no need

>> for either (everyone can get

>> stuff w/o $, and people can live where they want w/o lines on the  

>> map)...

>>

>>

>>

>>  _____

>>

>>

>> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:32:53 +0000

>> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>>

>>

>>

>> How about all the people who are happy with money & countries? Will  

>> they

>> just be forced to accept someone else's ideals ?

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>> ]On

>> Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON

>> Sent: 14 November 2008 18:10

>> To: gathering

>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>>

>>

>> The 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it my  

>> idea

>> (and Progressive Labor Party's)

>> platform for communism too...

>>

>>> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:30:45 +1300

>>> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>>>

>>> I have sorta been expecting something like this ever since the web  

>>> came

>>> into being, or even email. Replication of memes is incredibly fast  

>>> and

>>> almost impossible to stop by the corporate lobby.

>>>

>>> They have some interesting ideas.

>>>

>>> I already agree that rational, intelligent, well educated, unbiased

>>> minds

>>> (scientists in particular) should have far more say, over  

>>> corporates,

>>> politicians, the religious lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have  

>>> far

>>> too

>>> much say.

>>>

>>> I agree that the military are an anachronism to a large extent  

>>> (although

>>> until every disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one

>>> step...but the US pulling military out from o/s bases for example  

>>> would

>>> be

>>> a start...)

>>>

>>> I agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of  

>>> cars

>>> and implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss  

>>> goodbye

>>> to

>>> the road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)

>>>

>>> What I find interesting is their idea that human nature is largely

>>> irrelevant - it's the environment that dictates behaviour. In the

>>> absence

>>> of scarcity, people tend to be nice and share with each other. With

>>> scarcity and fear of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of

>>> wealth,

>>> to the point that many don't even have the basics...you end up with

>>> poverty, crime, poor health etc.

>>>

>>> Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno about moving to a

>>> system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea of doing  

>>> away

>>> with

>>> countries.

>>>

>>> Interesting stuff, kind of what I've been harping on about for a  

>>> while.

>>>

>>> Wonder how big their island is...?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> who ever does their PR is rather good ;)

>>>> they're all over the internets.."

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo 

>>>> :

>>>> gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>>>> http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&search_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted

>>>>

>>>> you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through a  

>>>> few

>>>> minutes.....

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan Quinn

>>> <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> So has anyone seen Zeitgeist: Addendum?

>>>>

>>>> Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting the word 'addendum' in a

>>> title

>>>> (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm intrigued by 'The Venus Project.'

>>> (Well

>>>> mainly the part about self-replicating machines doing all the  

>>>> work I

>>>> suppose...)

>>>>

>>>> www.thevenusproject.com

>>>>

>>>> They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though,  

>>>> for a

>>> bunch

>>>> of people espousing science over everything else, they can't write

>>> good.

>>>>

>>>> And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II: Zeit Geister.

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