[kj] Dutch

[Karen Weil]

OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a general sense. And guess what? I 
actually think that about *most* people -- regardless of nationality, etc.

Respectfully,

k.w.
(open-minded American)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: [kj] Dutch



> ALL the Dutch are good people?

>

> That seems a simplisitic view...

>

>> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,

>> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets

>> Below: How We Wait in Europe

>>

>>

>>

>> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch are good people

>> (but sorry about your one experience there!) And I

>> couldn't agree with you about judging an entire

>> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions of a few jerks.

>> It only leads to no good.

>>

>> Anyway, tot ziens!

>>

>> k.w.

>>

>> ----- Original Message ----- 

>> From: jerry bodkin

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe

>>   Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are a lovely

>> people, ive been there several times including once for just

>> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but we'll leave

>> that there! France too is a beautiful beautiful place and

>> the people there too are lovely once you make an effort with

>> them. i.e. try at least to speak the language. Give me

>> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire race on

>> individual behaviour, my God, what must most of the world

>> think of us English. Jelala.

>>

>> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:

>> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net> Date:

>> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice

>> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > Hi,

>> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on Belgium;

>> it's a fine place. Germany also offers > so much, and

>> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.> However, I have to

>> take issue with your comments about the Dutch and >

>> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally different

>> attitude when it > comes to languages; that's why so

>> many of them speak three or four of them. > Whatever

>> differences they may have with their European neighbors; I

>> really > don't think the English issue plays a great

>> role.> And while Paris is outrageously expensive (I was

>> there in May; and believe > me, it was no fun coming from

>> a country where the currency is in the > toilet!), I

>> really can't agree with your observations about the

>> French, > either. (Although I will concur about their

>> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy travelling -- veel

>> plezier, as the Dutch say!> > Groetjes,> >

>> k.w.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:

>> "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:

>> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: [kj] Nice

>> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > > > How

>> nice it was to escape this ever more petty joke of a nation,

>> occupied > > as it has been by the USA since WW2. If

>> you want to get away from this > > rotten island then

>> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too far by > >

>> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is beautiful. The streets

>> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the people are

>> jolly and kind and there is great art > > everywhere.

>> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home. There are also

>> > > lots of Belgians with little noses straight out of

>> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer are amazing. I

>> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I made it > >

>> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams had been aborted

>> by a flower > > festival because I walked along the

>> canal to get back to the station and > > realised that

>> this is architecturally the most beautiful city I have seen.

>> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet though!

>> Antwerp looks like a low rent > > Barcelona copy, in

>> the same way Manchester tries to be European but always >

>> > ends up looking like> > a post-industrial dump.

>> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were partying > >

>> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think the rest of

>> Europe is crap > > just because they don't all

>> speak perfect English! "Those crazy Dutch!" >

>> > said Lewis but I can't remember why. Maybe it was

>> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE rejected in

>> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was so > >

>> grotty she didn't even want to put her bag down in it

>> let alone sleep in > > it!> >> > Berlin is

>> a great place to explore, full of impressive sites and large

>> > > enough to spend years there I'd warrant.

>> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most lovely park

>> I've ever strolled through. German venues also make a

>> > > mockery of British ones in terms of the sound.>

>> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market where I found a

>> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a light sabre for

>> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for twenty > >

>> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern art gallery,

>> watched over by > > one of Lovecraft's Forgotten

>> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there > > so

>> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne friend Dirk

>> from the > > Gathering reckons Strasbourg is cool

>> because of the huge German influence. > > Cancel your

>> order, crossing the border, changing the menu!> >>

>> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll but Paris is

>> full of too many slow > > people and the prices are

>> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense que je > >

>> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels are the worst.

>> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the beer is worse than

>> Britain. French computer > > keyboards were designed

>> by a retard and the showers go some way to > >

>> explaining why the English have often mocked the French for

>> being > > hygenically challenged. The redeeming

>> feature of the French is that many > > of them seem to

>> really love WIRE and gave the most enthusiastic response

>> > > of any crowds on this tour.> >> >

>> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road trip:>

>> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels in the middle

>> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE pageant. I had

>> time to visit the city's most mainstream record >

>> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique which Killing

>> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was rewarded by

>> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY > > singles

>> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED HOME.'>

>> >> > After a couple of hours I caught the train to

>> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at Democrazy.>

>> >> > Next day I took trains via Antwerp and a bus

>> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just in time to

>> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and Dutch > >

>> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE blasted off at

>> around 7pm. Later I > > was also entertained by the

>> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal > > band

>> who gave the crowd the finger for watching them, all of

>> which was > > unexpected.> >> > On

>> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely WIRE gig at La

>> Botanique, a > > venue which could verily call itself

>> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. > > I struck up

>> conversation with a charming photographer and graphic

>> designer > > called Violette who sent me eight great

>> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >> > After the gig

>> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and jumped on the night

>> > > train where I was entertained by conversation with

>> a former theatre > > director who had just aborted a

>> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to > >

>> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My first police

>> encounter was > > with two cops on the Ostbahnhof

>> platform who took a rather long time > > checking to

>> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me for listening

>> to > > music in my living room. Berlin is also very

>> cool and well worth a visit > > in its own right, but

>> smells worse than Brussels.> >> > The first

>> night was free before the arrival of KILLING JOKE so I

>> checked > > out the SO36 venue where they and WIRE

>> played, which was immortalised in a > > song on the

>> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was excellent as are all

>> > > other German venues I've ever been to. The

>> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before the headline

>> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very funny but >

>> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the gig and I run

>> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE gigs.>

>> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE regeneration in

>> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum kit illuminated

>> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to head to > >

>> Paris to see them there. The train times were TOO LATE so at

>> the last > > minute I rerouted to Strasbourg for more

>> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice as the COMET

>> hit very late and I caught the whole set in front of a >

>> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a festival that

>> went on until 6am. > > Next day my second run in with

>> cops was with two French transport police > > who ask

>> me to wrap up my sword so that it couldn't be seen

>> before I caught > > the train.> >> > Paris

>> next for more WIRE, on a first class train where I started

>> downing > > some of the left over Heineken from last

>> night's rider and upset a French > > idiot who had

>> a tantrum because I couldn't stop belching even when she

>> > > kicked my chair. She complained to the guard and

>> he clearly thought it was > > a bit silly having to

>> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help it. In the >

>> > end she started complaining I was playing the BUTTHOLE

>> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones and he came

>> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it > >

>> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and moved to another

>> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the sword was

>> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going to Paris my

>> advice is don't bother. Go in a > > cafe that

>> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy waiters will

>> > > chearge you five.> >> > It was nice to

>> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was already >

>> > seeming like a second home. I found many cool CDs in

>> the shops, including > > quite appropriately

>> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three days I had >

>> > plenty of time to explore and each day surpassed the

>> previous one. I met > > so many great people in

>> Belgium I felt like moving there!> >> > My

>> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding train were>

>> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE - Drill (DJ

>> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the moderate Craig

>> won't like that will he?> > KILLING JOKE -

>> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> > EINSTURZENDE

>> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF SUSANS - Guitar

>> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song> > WIRE -

>> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> > BUTTHOLE SURFERS -

>> Who was in my room last night?> >> > Back home

>> after another awesome double dose of the mighty JOKE I had a

>> day > > of rest and didn't even have time enough

>> to notice what a terminal dump > > Manchester is

>> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the town and give me

>> > > a chance to catch up with lots of old friends.

>> That is the great thing > > about Manchester, lots of

>> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was off again to

>> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as > >

>> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA ZEDEK and her

>> band began their > > tour the very next day. She's

>> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her > > out

>> while you still can...> >> >

>> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> > Her tour ends

>> on October 23 at La Botanique in Brussels!> >> >

>> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in England and

>> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi I had to zoom

>> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger > >

>> sister's wedding. The lavish reception was held on a

>> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles and I resisted

>> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I > > gave

>> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ HARVEY as

>> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of Love"

>> couldn't really be a better song to wish for a long

>> loving > > marriage, at the end of this burning

>> world.> >> > Then I went home to transcribe

>> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and > > WIRE,

>> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait for civilization

>> to fall > > in its grave.> >> >

>> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >> >>

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