From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Mon Sep  1 01:28:53 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:28:53 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Band-o-rama
In-Reply-To: <006401c90acc$5fb93830$0200000a@jo>
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Why can't we give love, that one more chance...

You're doomed to have that reverberating around your noggin for days now,
hah!

>
>
> What about mash-ups and links between those artists? Queen and Bowie
>
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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> There must be leglislation against it somewhere? surely?
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Mon Sep  1 01:35:25 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:35:25 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] cover version of "The House That Pain Built"
In-Reply-To: <84885.48907.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <84885.48907.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54842.203.210.68.145.1220247325.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Testify.

Been a few good tracks come from them but in general, nothing like the
original. (Except for Jimi doing Dylan...)

> Mmmmmm. The thing with tribute CDs is that they
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalways suck.
>
>  http://www.nightruiner.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:52:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [kj] cover version of "The House That Pain Built"
>
> What's with the upcoming tribute CD and book? Is that a KJ tribute by
> various bands?
>
>
>> BLABBERMOUTH.NET - THYATEIRA Completes Work On Debut Album
>> http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=103565
>>
>>> THYATEIRA will re-enter the studio soon to lay down a cover version of
>> KILLING JOKE's "The House That Pain Built" for an upcoming tribute CD
>> and
>> book.
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From lennonka at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 02:05:49 2008
From: lennonka at gmail.com (Lennonka)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:05:49 +0200
Subject: [kj] Four Stations of the Sun (lyrics)
In-Reply-To: <BLU138-W113CC0F56165070E4F280BB5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2AC@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
	<595149.13396.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<101ab85f0808300854v15bcef17m3af94f19f02229fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU138-W113CC0F56165070E4F280BB5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <101ab85f0808312305v2f80558dkca8e84459154a386@mail.gmail.com>

Hey yeah,

I was told the same by a fellow Gatheress.

2008/8/31 Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com>

>  It sounds like a direct reference to the Glastonberry Tor, upon which St
> Michael's church stands, based on the context of the lyrics.  I am
> sure search could clarify it.  It is a really sacred and famous site, but
> the UK peeps on this list probably could help ya more.
> Bette
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:54:17 +0200
> From: lennonka at gmail.com
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] Four Stations of the Sun (lyrics)
>
>
> I love ya, man!
> That's a great song.
> Archiving them onto the http://killingjoke.cz site.
>
> 2008/8/29 Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>
>
> It was Spring so call the Easter*
> I knew the sun would rise
> Allow myself to say my thank yous
> New forms of worship come
>
> Midsummer day I sense it
> There were gatherings upon the tour / tor#
> No priests but the crowds were grateful
> I was back where I'd been before
>
> I tried denying that a new age has begun
> I turn around and see four stations of the sun
>
> Autumn leaves All Hallows evening
> We crawled a long way from the grave
> Harvest crops and burn a bonfire
> At Christmas day we'd all been saved
>
> I tried denying that a new age has begun
> I turn around to see four stations of the sun
> I tried denying every deity forms one
> I turn around and see four stations of the sun
>
> It was Spring so call the Easter*
> I knew the sun would rise
> Allow myself to say my thank yous
> New forms of worship come
>
> I tried denying that a new age has begun
> I turn around to see four stations of the sun
> I tried denying every deity forms one
> I turn around and see four stations of the sun
>
> NB.
> * not sure this line is right
> # could be either 'tour' or 'tor.' Both words are pronounced the same and
> make sense in the context of the song.
>
> Unreleased 1996
> Transcription by B. Hell 2008
>
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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Mon Sep  1 04:17:03 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:17:03 +0100
Subject: [kj] Not for the broody
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2AE@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

Oh my God, how small is that!  

 

"Awwwww"

 

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of jo
Sent: 29 August 2008 19:32
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] Not for the broody

 

Fuck it, come on... let that primal 'awwwww' out:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7585607.stm

 

 

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From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk  Mon Sep  1 04:28:11 2008
From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:28:11 +0100
Subject: [kj] warm-up gig
References: <646657.24967.qm@web26005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD60B2A89D16094897629D4CCC50B1CB3A468C@ED01VN01.NCL-HIS.NHS.UK>

>Jaz hinted at one in a cave in Alicante/Valencia..!

 

 

"Post Punk Forefathers Killed in Freak Tidal Surge" 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Cormac
Sent: 31 August 2008 17:22
To: Gathering
Subject: [kj] warm-up gig

 

No plans for a warm-up gig in Prague but Jaz hinted at one in a cave in
Alicante/Valencia..!
 
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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 06:13:49 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:13:49 +0100
Subject: [kj] Not for the broody
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unfortunately it died.

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Janean Lancaster
<Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> wrote:
> Oh my God, how small is that!
>
>
>
> "Awwwww"
>

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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Mon Sep  1 06:26:53 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:26:53 +0100
Subject: [kj] Not for the broody
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2B6@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

Even bigger "Awwwww".  :-(

> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of iPat
> Sent: 01 September 2008 11:14
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] Not for the broody
> 
> unfortunately it died.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Janean Lancaster
> <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Oh my God, how small is that!
> >
> >
> >
> > "Awwwww"
> >
> 
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From jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk  Mon Sep  1 06:57:55 2008
From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk (jon chapman)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:57:55 +0000
Subject: [kj] warm-up gig
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great! if it's alicante,we could then zoom up to benidorm to catch sticky vicky and one of the many fine tribute acts (like pete loaf) and then grab a granny in cafe benidorm around 4am.
 
!
   

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:28:11 +0100From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] warm-up gig









>Jaz hinted at one in a cave in Alicante/Valencia..!
 
 
?Post Punk Forefathers Killed in Freak Tidal Surge? 
 




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of CormacSent: 31 August 2008 17:22To: GatheringSubject: [kj] warm-up gig
 


No plans for a warm-up gig in Prague but Jaz hinted at one in a cave in Alicante/Valencia..!
 
 
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From vaio719 at livedoor.com  Mon Sep  1 08:34:00 2008
From: vaio719 at livedoor.com (vaio719)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:34:00 +0900
Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. John Bechdel/AOTW (support)
Message-ID: <91476d3f0809010534r267d668ci18abe624d8a2aece@mail.gmail.com>

FEAR FACTORY Singer's ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS Schedules U.S., European
Dates - Aug. 31, 2008
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=103821


>ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS, the band featuring FEAR FACTORY frontman Burton
C. Bell and John Bechdel (MINISTRY, KILLING JOKE, FALSE ICONS), has
scheduled the following dates:

U.S.:
Oct. 11 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING JOKE)
Oct. 12 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING JOKE)
Oct. 14 - House Of Blues - Chicago, IL (w/ KILLING JOKE)

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Ascension of The Watchers feat. John Bechdel
http://www.myspace.com/aotw


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From dpeace at bigfoot.com  Mon Sep  1 09:06:45 2008
From: dpeace at bigfoot.com (Darren A. Peace)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:06:45 +0100
Subject: [kj] Four Stations of the Sun (lyrics)
In-Reply-To: <624844.86803.qm@web25904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <002401c90bba$0226a740$0673f5c0$@com>
	<624844.86803.qm@web25904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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Isn?t that interesting! I?d pronounce ?poor? and ?pore? identically. Grew up near the Forest of Dean (but without the Wurzels accent), and have a passing acquaintance with the hill too.

 

Darren

Hungerford, UK

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Jim Harper
Sent: 01 September 2008 00:14
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Four Stations of the Sun (lyrics)

 


>From my etymological viewpoint, there's a definite difference between the pronounciation of 'tour' (which I would pronounce closer to 'poor' and 'coors') and 'tor'. Speaking as a west country man (and one who's been up that sodding hill more than a few times), 'tor' is pronounced in the same way as 'pore',

 

Jim.

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From: Darren A. Peace <dpeace at bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Four Stations of the Sun (lyrics)
To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 11:36 PM

I pronounce ?tor? and ?tour? in exactly the same way, to rhyme with ?door? (I?m sure, however, that etymologically speaking ?tour? should rhyme with ?poor? with a Scottish accent). I think Jaz probably does as well, if that?s any help.

 

Darren

Hungerford, UK

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Lennonka
Sent: 30 August 2008 17:37
To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Four Stations of the Sun (lyrics)

 

I think that "tor" and "tour" are pronounced differently... "tour" is a French word, originally, right?
It's pronounced rather like "troubadour".
Which doesn't make rhyme with "before"... sorry : )

2008/8/29 Change < <mailto:crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

# could be either 'tour' or 'tor.' Both words are pronounced the same and make sense in the context of the song.


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From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Mon Sep  1 11:24:40 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:24:40 +0100
Subject: [kj] Not for the broody
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2AE@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
	<1646350c0809010313u1f100cefg7cf0f26ccc2527ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <026e01c90c46$da85b6d0$0200000a@jo>

Kiss of death - us lot cooing at it.  Poor little bugger didn't stand a 
chance!



> unfortunately it died.
>
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Janean Lancaster
> <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Oh my God, how small is that!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Awwwww"
>>
>
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From mikraven at o2.co.uk  Mon Sep  1 13:58:18 2008
From: mikraven at o2.co.uk (Mik Raven)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:58:18 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig
Message-ID: <013701c90c5c$50c370c0$4001a8c0@ptgint.com>

So who's off to see the pistols tomorrow? Antoni? Anyone fancy meeting up
for a drink beforehand?

 

Mik

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From antoni at clara.net  Mon Sep  1 14:14:46 2008
From: antoni at clara.net (pssyche23)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:14:46 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig
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Message-ID: <016c01c90c5e$9de8d230$0201a8c0@homee404atul6b>

You beat me to it Mik ... I just remembered it might be a good idea to send an email whilst on my journey home ... quite happy to meet in The Old Trout ... that's the one in the tube station shopping centre, opposite Tesco ... how very quaint ... doors open at 7 ... any ideas on the support ? I can see you there at 6, if not earlier ... 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mik Raven 
  To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 
  Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:58 PM
  Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig


  So who's off to see the pistols tomorrow? Antoni? Anyone fancy meeting up for a drink beforehand?

   

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From mikraven at o2.co.uk  Mon Sep  1 14:21:55 2008
From: mikraven at o2.co.uk (Mik Raven)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:21:55 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig
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I'll still be on the train at 6 unfortunately. Work decided they needed me
in Leeds for the day. :-(. Could maybe meet around 7ish. Have no idea what
the support is but I wouldn't expect the pistols to be on before 9 at the
earliest.

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of pssyche23
Sent: 01 September 2008 19:15
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig

 

You beat me to it Mik ... I just remembered it might be a good idea to send
an email whilst on my journey home ... quite happy to meet in The Old Trout
... that's the one in the tube station shopping centre, opposite Tesco ...
how very quaint ... doors open at 7 ... any ideas on the support ? I can see
you there at 6, if not earlier ... 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Mik Raven <mailto:mikraven at o2.co.uk>  

To: 'A list about <mailto:gathering at misera.net>  all things Killing Joke
(the band!)' 

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:58 PM

Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig

 

So who's off to see the pistols tomorrow? Antoni? Anyone fancy meeting up
for a drink beforehand?

 

Mik


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From antoni at clara.net  Mon Sep  1 14:48:21 2008
From: antoni at clara.net (pssyche23)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:48:21 +0100
Subject: [kj] warm-up gig
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Failing that there's a remote chance the world may end on the eve of the world tour, or not. The date for the Large Handron Collider at CERN (Geneva) being switched on - 10th September 2008 - the Killing Joke tour starts on the 11th. The big collision stuff is due to start on 21st October 2008 - ironically and spookily one calendar year after our Raven tragically left this mortal coil, and a mere stone's throw from Geneva - a little bit weird - so we are maybe okay for the tour, if not the Christmas shopping !!!

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN *
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phillipps Marc 
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  Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:28 AM
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  >Jaz hinted at one in a cave in Alicante/Valencia..!





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  No plans for a warm-up gig in Prague but Jaz hinted at one in a cave in Alicante/Valencia..!




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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  1 15:06:10 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:06:10 -0700
Subject: [kj] Four Stations of the Sun (lyrics)
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It does to me, too ;)
 
Where's PG? ;)



From: bettedillinger at live.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:27:09 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] Four Stations of the Sun (lyrics)


It sounds like a direct reference to the Glastonberry Tor, upon which St Michael's church stands, based on the context of the lyrics.  I am sure search could clarify it.  It is a really sacred and famous site, but the UK peeps on this list probably could help ya more.Bette 




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From cliffmonka at alaska.net  Mon Sep  1 15:31:42 2008
From: cliffmonka at alaska.net (cliffmonka at alaska.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:31:42 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [kj] OT CliffMonk Art Drawings of Friends is up now
In-Reply-To: <01a001c90c63$4e987640$0201a8c0@homee404atul6b>
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Message-ID: <33761.72.42.164.101.1220297502.squirrel@mymail.acsalaska.net>

Hi Here's my new drawings of friends gallery on facebook.Please feel free to fwd
this to anyone you like.Peace,Cliff
p.s. Today i celebrate 4 years of sobriety,woohoo! ! !

http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=54612&l=ee850&id=691014615


From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 15:35:37 2008
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:35:37 +1200
Subject: [kj] OT CliffMonk Art Drawings of Friends is up now
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4 years!!! well done cliff, thats awesome!

=)



On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:31 AM,  <cliffmonka at alaska.net> wrote:
> Hi Here's my new drawings of friends gallery on facebook.Please feel free to fwd
> this to anyone you like.Peace,Cliff
> p.s. Today i celebrate 4 years of sobriety,woohoo! ! !
>
> http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=54612&l=ee850&id=691014615
>
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From cliffmonka at alaska.net  Mon Sep  1 16:25:58 2008
From: cliffmonka at alaska.net (cliffmonka at alaska.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:25:58 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [kj] OT CliffMonk Art Drawings of Friends is up now
In-Reply-To: <ce16091e0809011235q310bfa6btac47417f3b2cec51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <646657.24967.qm@web26005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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	<01a001c90c63$4e987640$0201a8c0@homee404atul6b>
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Message-ID: <33327.72.42.164.101.1220300758.squirrel@mymail.acsalaska.net>

Cheers,been a long 4 years Bogno

> 4 years!!! well done cliff, thats awesome!
>
> =)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:31 AM,  <cliffmonka at alaska.net> wrote:
>> Hi Here's my new drawings of friends gallery on facebook.Please feel free to fwd
>> this to anyone you like.Peace,Cliff
>> p.s. Today i celebrate 4 years of sobriety,woohoo! ! !
>>
>> http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=54612&l=ee850&id=691014615
>>
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>
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> postponed indefinitely..."
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From judithmuehlenbeck at freenet.de  Mon Sep  1 17:45:33 2008
From: judithmuehlenbeck at freenet.de (judithmuehlenbeck at freenet.de)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:45:33 +0200
Subject: [kj] Band-o-rama
Message-ID: <E1KaHDJ-0001Un-2Y@www7.emo.freenet-rz.de>

There are many songs with female name titles, but I never heard one with mine in it, lovely.  And it sounds quite good !

?Under pressure? and ?I?m afraid of Americans? are great mash-ups !

Hm, links... Twiggy aka Jeordie White from Marilyn Manson joined A Perfect Circle, right ? 
Youth produced Marilyn Manson..

And Youth played bass at Kate Bush?s album ?Hounds of love?. Ok, but that?s really an old hat I suppose... 
Speaking of her, I once read that she cited KJ as one of her influences, amazing..


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Betreff: Re: [kj] Band-o-rama
Gesendet: Sa 30 Aug 2008 18:51:43 CEST
Von: "Brendan"

> I love SOAD, Queen, Bowie, like some Police esp Walking on the Moon, don't
> mind some Marilyn Manson, NIN. Rest of it I'm not too au fait with.
> 
> What about mash-ups and links between those artists? Queen and Bowie -
> Under Pressure (No man ask for!), Reznor / Bowie - I'm afraid of
> americans...any more?
> 
> Tenuous link:
> 
> There's the song Judith by A Perfect Circle, one of my favourite tracks
> and one I was addicted to in 2000:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23eZMdixAuk
> 
> ...of whom Maynard is friends with Serj of SOAD, as well as an early
> friend of Tom Morello, who with Serj started Axis of Justice...
> 
> 
> > my take.........   =)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > System Of A Down -   love the first album, and toxicity...  i ignored
> > them for years after first hearing about them, because i had seen an
> > album advertised on tv and thought that any band who done that was
> > beneath my lofty tastes... (i'm sure a few of us here are as
> > superficial as this? i cant be the only one!!!)  anyhoo, when i
> > actually listened to that first album, i fuckin loved it, great
> > driving music, and working music... toxicity was in the car one
> > summer, great surfing/driving music...
> >
> > Phillip Boa & The Voodoo Club - not heard
> >
> >
> > Marilyn Manson - catchy tunes, not got any tho... doesnt bother me either
> > way
> >
> >
> > Nine Inch Nails -   i actually remember seeing a record of theirs at
> > groovy records on queen st, in AK when we was really young and hip...
> > took an instant dislike to that cover and that band, and have never
> > had my mind swayed...
> >
> > The Prodigy - quite like some of it, just got the first album again a
> > few days ago
> >
> >
> >
> > The Police - not bad, not my thing, but have the odd good memory of
> > hearing them
> >
> >
> > Sting - no real comment
> >
> >
> > Bush -  yeah i like bush   =)
> >
> >
> > Queen -  not bad... my mrs has a few tracks on the mp3 player in the
> > car... believe it or not, they come right after 'wilful days' and 'the
> > wait' .....
> >
> > Ladytron - heard of but not heard
> >
> >
> > Les Rita Mitsouko - not heard of
> >
> > David Bowie - some great tracks, and some fucking lame tracks...   saw
> > the vid for 'dancing in the streets' the other week... ACK!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Bauhaus - love them...
> >
> >
> > Aphex Twin - never got into them, never cared
> >
> >
> > =)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/29/08, Brendan  wrote:
> >> SOAD are a bit hard to get your head around at first (for a mainstream
> >> band)...I found the lyrics especially so, but I'm sure most of us have
> >> had
> >> to stretch further to get across something that eventually turned out to
> >> be gold...just my 2c worth. I'm a moderate fan, have three or four
> >> albums
> >> (albeit got them on sale ;p). I think I get the vocals now...they are a
> >> bit of a critical parody of the Shitstem, as Lydon calls it, and the
> >> lyrics can be interpreted in that way. For example the track Aerials
> >> doesn't have that sarcastic mocking element that Sugar does. Really
> >> annoyed me at first and I thought they were a bit of a waste of talent,
> >> but I got over it.
> >>
> >> Aerials, Sugar and BOAB are good tracks to start with IMO. I reckon SOAD
> >> are for real. I always wondered whether their reference to 'small mind'
> >> in
> >> Aerials was anything to do with Zen / Buddhism...
> >>
> >> I LOVE the metal treatment of classic Albanian folk music, have seen a
> >> few
> >> docos involving Albanian folk music recently and I can certainly pick it
> >> up in SOAD.
> >>
> >> Sorry if this email is a bit of a ramble, just had a boozy lunch ;p
> >>
> >>> Excellent point, Steve.
> >>>
> >>> k.w.
> >>>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>>   From: Steve Hackett
> >>>   To: Alex Smith ; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> >>>   Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:28 AM
> >>>   Subject: Re: [kj] Band-o-rama

> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   I agree with you - but if they only make one in a thousand stop and
> >>> think about world politics or read a book rather than a comic then its
> >>> a
> >>> good thing.
> >>>     ----- Original Message -----
> >>>     From: Alex Smith
> >>>     To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) ; A list about
> >>> all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> >>>     Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:21 PM
> >>>     Subject: Re: [kj] Band-o-rama
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     Fair enough -- but quiz your average Rage ATM fan about the
> >>> politics,
> >>> history or even NAME of Che Guevara, and they'll invariably stare at
> >>> you blankly.
> >>>
> >>>     And most System fans probably couldn't find Armenia on a map.
> >>>
> >>>     I'm a bitter old poop.
> >>>
> >>>     Alex in NYC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       -----Original Message-----
> >>>       From: Steve Hackett
> >>>       Sent: Aug 27, 2008 2:15 PM
> >>>       To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> >>>       Subject: Re: [kj] Band-o-rama
> >>>
> >>>       ???
> >>>       Surely System and RageATM have done more than most bands in
> >>> recent(ish) years to bring politics via their music to a massive
> >>> audience - for that they deserve some respect
> >>>         ----- Original Message -----
> >>>         From: LONESTYLE at aol.com
> >>>         To: gathering at misera.net
> >>>         Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:00 PM
> >>>         Subject: Re: [kj] Band-o-rama
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         System Of A Down - System of A Clown? I can't stand them! That
> >>> singer looks and sings on my nerves. I had a friend tell me once
> >>> years ago he sounded like Jello Biafra! I was what the fuck? Them
> >>> and Rage Against The Machine should hold hands and jump off a real
> >>> tall bridge.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Phillip Boa & The Voodoo Club - Who???
> >>>
> >>>         NIN - They had their moments back in the days, but to be honset
> >>> I
> >>> have not listened to them since 1992ish?
> >>>
> >>>         The Prodigy - Lame.
> >>>
> >>>         The Police -  Were good when I was a kid. Many moons ago.... :)
> >>>
> >>>         Sting - Gay!
> >>>
> >>>         Bush - A ripoff of trying to be another being Nirvana and thay
> >>> stil suck. Oh! And Gavin Friday's wife Qwen sucks even more! That
> >>> is a matchmade in Heaven of complete suckness!
> >>>
> >>>         Queen - Are hit and miss with me. But I do like some of their
> >>> stuff. No more... "We Will Rock You!" That song is the most played
> >>> out song to this day! Or I am going to write a song called We Will
> >>> Sock You! :)
> >>>
> >>>         Ladytron -  I have heard of the name not the tunes.
> >>>
> >>>         Les Rita Misuko - Who?????
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         David Bowie - He is like old suit in a closet that will never
> >>> go
> >>> away. If that means anything? ;)
> >>>
> >>>         Bauhaus - Rule!
> >>>
> >>>         Apex Twins - Strange, especially their videos need to be in a
> >>> mental aslyum.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         ~ LB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         In a message dated 8/27/2008 10:32:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >>> karen.weil at sddt.com writes:
> >>>           My take on these bands:
> >>>
> >>>           System Of A Down - Not a big fan, but love their passionate
> >>> spirit, their melodic ways and speaking out on Turkey's role in
> >>> the Armenian genocide.
> >>>
> >>>           Phillip Boa & The Voodoo Club - Ehhh...
> >>>
> >>>           Marilyn Manson - No; that train has sailed
> >>>
> >>>           Nine Inch Nails -- Powerful; important
> >>>
> >>>           The Prodigy - Overrated.
> >>>
> >>>           The Police - Never a massive fan by any means, but saw them
> >>> in
> >>> concert
> >>>
> >>>           Sting - Not really
> >>>
> >>>           Bush - The band and president are both massive
> >>> disappointments
> >>>
> >>>           Queen - Hey, it's Queen! What more can you say?
> >>>
> >>>           Ladytron - Too chilly for my tastes
> >>>
> >>>           Les Rita Mitsouko - Don't know them.
> >>>
> >>>           David Bowie - He's a legend for a reason.
> >>>
> >>>           Bauhaus - A few great songs, but they owe a lot to Bowie
> >>>
> >>>           Aphex Twin - Groundbreaking, if occassionally painful to
> >>> listen
> >>> to.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>             ----- Original Message -----
> >>>             From: Christof hamille
> >>>             To: Alex Smith ; A list about all things KillingJoke (the
> >>> band!)
> >>>             Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:11 AM
> >>>             Subject: Re: [kj] Tasty
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>             System Of A Down - I appreciate them as a band and what
> >>> they
> >>> say.  But the fans are asses.
> >>>             Phillip Boa & The Voodoo Club - Neva heard of 'em...next!
> >>>             Marilyn Manson - Again, the fans annoy me more than the
> >>> actual
> >>> artist.  But I have no reason to ever listen to him.
> >>>
> >>>             Nine Inch Nails - Early record are good.  Why bother now.
> >>>
> >>>             The Prodigy - I can enjoy them but I would not miss them
> >>>
> >>>             The Police - Yes. But from years of classic rock stations I
> >>> don't care if I ever hear Roxanne ever again.
> >>>
> >>>             Sting - Fuck off and take your kids to soccer practice
> >>> while
> >>> drinking a double chai latte.  In other words he sucks
> >>> personally and musically.
> >>>
> >>>             Bush - Are they still around?  Are they worth mentioning?
> >>> Is
> >>> it even worth commenting?  Isn't there only current claim to
> >>> fame is being married to someone else more famous?
> >>>
> >>>             Queen - Always enjoyable.
> >>>
> >>>             Ladytron - I like them.  Saw them once.  But hasn't drawn
> >>> me
> >>> in to buy anything or become a "fan".
> >>>
> >>>             Les Rita Mitsouko - Who? What? Where? Why?
> >>>
> >>>             David Bowie - Will always love Bowie.  Even in his lows.
> >>>
> >>>             Bauhaus - Everything was splendid until the reunion.  And
> >>> then
> >>> the last record came out.....
> >>>
> >>>             Aphex Twin - I really don't know him well enough to comment
> >>> but every time I listen it seems different then the time
> >>> before.  I understand why people like him/them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>             Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:53:10 -0400
> >>>             From: vassifer at earthlink.net
> >>>             To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net
> >>>             Subject: Re: [kj] Tasty
> >>>
> >>>             Okay, I'll play too:
> >>>             System Of A Down - I like a few tracks, but they're
> >>> ultimately
> >>> too silly for me.
> >>>
> >>>             Phillip Boa & The Voodoo Club - I am not familiar with
> >>> their
> >>> work.
> >>>
> >>>             Marilyn Manson - Not very original and SLAVISHLY overrated,
> >>> but a smart gent to be sure.
> >>>
> >>>              Nine Inch Nails - Love the early records, but can't be
> >>> bothered now.
> >>>
> >>>             The Prodigy - They lost me at "Baby's Got a Temper"
> >>>
> >>>             The Police - Love them.
> >>>
> >>>             Sting - Apart from "Fortress Around Your Heart," he's a
> >>> fatuous douchecake.
> >>>              Bush - Ridiculously indefensible, bad music.
> >>>
> >>>             Queen - Will always love them.
> >>>
> >>>             Ladytron - I should be more famililar with them than I am.
> >>> I
> >>> do love their cover of "Oops Oh My" by Tweet.
> >>>
> >>>             Les Rita Mitsouko - Not for me
> >>>
> >>>             David Bowie - up to 1.Outside
> >>>
> >>>             Bauhaus - Yes, of course.
> >>>
> >>>             Aphex Twin - He's made a lot of unlistenable stuff, but
> >>> made
> >>> loads of amazingly original music as well.
> >>>
> >>>             Alex in NYC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>               -----Original Message-----
> >>>               From: folk devil
> >>>               Sent: Aug 27, 2008 11:46 AM
> >>>               To: gathering at misera.net
> >>>               Subject: Re: [kj] Tasty
> >>>
> >>>               System Of A Down - not a fan
> >>>
> >>>               Phillip Boa & The Voodoo Club - will revisit
> >>>
> >>>               Marilyn Manson - not too keen on the music, but a very
> >>> nice
> >>> chappy
> >>>
> >>>                Nine Inch Nails - in small doses. until it becomes a
> >>> whine
> >>>
> >>>               The Prodigy - absolutely!
> >>>
> >>>               The Police - no comment
> >>>
> >>>               Sting - why?!!!
> >>>
> >>>               Bush - no
> >>>
> >>>               Queen - oo tight pants
> >>>
> >>>               Ladytron - some
> >>>
> >>>               Les Rita Mitsouko - pass
> >>>
> >>>               David Bowie - up to scary monsters
> >>>
> >>>               Bauhaus - yes
> >>>
> >>>               Aphex Twin - YES!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>               Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:16:44  0000
> >>>               From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk
> >>>               To: gathering at misera.net
> >>>               Subject: [kj] Tasty
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>                       Ahem the only band she lists that I rate highly
> >>> is
> >>> Aphex Twin and he ain't on band.
> >>>                       Ladytron are quite good.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>                       ----- Original Message -----
> >>>                         From: judithmuehlenbeck at freenet.de
> >>>                         To: gathering at misera.net
> >>>                         Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:47 PM
> >>>                         Subject: Re: [kj] KJ ticket
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> > postponed indefinitely..."
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From jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Sep  1 18:33:47 2008
From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk (Jim Harper)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:33:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] Band-o-rama
In-Reply-To: <E1KaHDJ-0001Un-2Y@www7.emo.freenet-rz.de>
Message-ID: <648329.35925.qm@web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Check out the credits to the early Kate Bush albums, you'll find Youth (and Jaz too, if I recall correctly) in there on bass duties for a few tracks.
?
Jim.
?
--- On Mon, 1/9/08, judithmuehlenbeck at freenet.de <judithmuehlenbeck at freenet.de> wrote:

From: judithmuehlenbeck at freenet.de <judithmuehlenbeck at freenet.de>
Subject: Re: [kj] Band-o-rama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Monday, 1 September, 2008, 10:45 PM

There are many songs with female name titles, but I never heard one with mine in
it, lovely.  And it sounds quite good !

?Under pressure? and ?I?m afraid of Americans? are great mash-ups !

Hm, links... Twiggy aka Jeordie White from Marilyn Manson joined A Perfect
Circle, right ? 
Youth produced Marilyn Manson..

And Youth played bass at Kate Bush?s album ?Hounds of love?. Ok, but
that?s really an old hat I suppose... 
Speaking of her, I once read that she cited KJ as one of her influences,
amazing..


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From go1845 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  1 22:47:47 2008
From: go1845 at yahoo.com (Geoffrey ODonoghue)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:47:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Unspeakable anyone?
Message-ID: <58073.8211.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi all
?
I have had a bit of a tidy-up as a result of changing jobs and I have come across a spare copy of the 2CD Unspeakable KJ compilation. For those of you who might not have heard of this before - it was a project done (almost 10 years ago!) by The Gathering that assembled a bunch of unavailable and/or hard to find KJ material for distribution to list members. Some of this material has since seen a more widespread release but I think there?still might be?a few things on there that are not readily available. Just send me your mailing address if you are interested. I can't provide any artwork but the tracklist is below.
?
Geoff
?
Disc one:
1. Malicious Boogie (bbc radio session '79)
2. Nuclear Boy (bbc radio session '79)
3. You're Being Followed (live bootleg '79)
4. Animal (live bootleg '79)
5. What's the Matter? (live bootleg '79)
6. Are you Receiving? 
7. Nervous System 
8. Turn to Red 
9. Wardance 
10. Pssyche 
11. Change 
12. Brilliant (instrumental)
13. Birds of a Feather 
14. Sun Goes Down 
15. Take Take Take (live)
16. The Hive (live bootleg '82)

?Disc two:
1. Me or You 
2. Wilful Days 
3. New Culture (bbc '84)
4. All Play Rebel (bbc '84)
5. Blue feather (bbc '84)
6. A New Day 
7. Ecstasy 
8. Jihad (instrumental)
9. The Fanatic (live bootleg '89)
10. Another Cult Goes Down (instrumental)
11. Hollywood Babylon (soundtrack cut)
12. Mass
13. Drug (soundtrack cut)
14. 4 Stations of the Sun (unreleased)



      
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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  2 03:27:47 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:27:47 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig
In-Reply-To: <016c01c90c5e$9de8d230$0201a8c0@homee404atul6b>
References: <013701c90c5c$50c370c0$4001a8c0@ptgint.com>
	<016c01c90c5e$9de8d230$0201a8c0@homee404atul6b>
Message-ID: <BLU120-W20D87F725ABD9316BF9E4AB85F0@phx.gbl>


 i will be there  aswell antoni,so we will see you later all beeing well arond about 7ish ok ;)
 
milinda




From: antoni at clara.netTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:14:46 +0100Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig



You beat me to it Mik ... I just remembered it might be a good idea to send an email whilst on my journey home ... quite happy to meet in The Old Trout ... that's the one in the tube station shopping centre, opposite Tesco ... how very quaint ... doors open at 7 ... any ideas on the support ? I can see you there at 6, if not earlier ... 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven 
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig


So who?s off to see the pistols tomorrow? Antoni? Anyone fancy meeting up for a drink beforehand?
 
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From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk  Tue Sep  2 04:27:19 2008
From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:27:19 +0100
Subject: [kj] Unspeakable anyone?
References: <58073.8211.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD60B2A89D16094897629D4CCC50B1CB3A4696@ED01VN01.NCL-HIS.NHS.UK>

>(almost 10 years ago!)

 

Was it that long ago?

 

Doesn't time fly . . . 

 

 

 

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Geoffrey ODonoghue
Sent: 02 September 2008 03:48
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] Unspeakable anyone?

 

Hi all

 

I have had a bit of a tidy-up as a result of changing jobs and I have
come across a spare copy of the 2CD Unspeakable KJ compilation. For
those of you who might not have heard of this before - it was a project
done (almost 10 years ago!) by The Gathering that assembled a bunch of
unavailable and/or hard to find KJ material for distribution to list
members. Some of this material has since seen a more widespread release
but I think there still might be a few things on there that are not
readily available. Just send me your mailing address if you are
interested. I can't provide any artwork but the tracklist is below.

 

Geoff

 

Disc one:
1. Malicious Boogie (bbc radio session '79)
2. Nuclear Boy (bbc radio session '79)
3. You're Being Followed (live bootleg '79)
4. Animal (live bootleg '79)
5. What's the Matter? (live bootleg '79)
6. Are you Receiving? 
7. Nervous System 
8. Turn to Red 
9. Wardance 
10. Pssyche 
11. Change 
12. Brilliant (instrumental)
13. Birds of a Feather 
14. Sun Goes Down 
15. Take Take Take (live)
16. The Hive (live bootleg '82)


 Disc two:
1. Me or You 
2. Wilful Days 
3. New Culture (bbc '84)
4. All Play Rebel (bbc '84)
5. Blue feather (bbc '84)
6. A New Day 
7. Ecstasy 
8. Jihad (instrumental)
9. The Fanatic (live bootleg '89)
10. Another Cult Goes Down (instrumental)
11. Hollywood Babylon (soundtrack cut)
12. Mass
13. Drug (soundtrack cut)
14. 4 Stations of the Sun (unreleased)
 
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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 04:40:15 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:40:15 +0100
Subject: [kj] Anima Mundi
Message-ID: <1646350c0809020140h8e44284yd544f16d4b89851e@mail.gmail.com>

off the crass bitty on the Southern Forum:
Permaculture Punk:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzqmGNxwwA
Here's some images from the 2 week permaculture course I recently ran
in California. Soundtrack is by Anima Mundi, who were the people I
stayed with, a punk 'musicians collective' of the anarcho-punk/Crass
school with heavy influences from Conflict and Killing Joke amongst
others. In fact they played over here at the after show party
following the Steve ignorant 'Feeding the 5000' gig last November.
Hope its not too off-topic...
Graham Burnett


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From go1845 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  2 06:54:50 2008
From: go1845 at yahoo.com (Geoffrey ODonoghue)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 03:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Unspeakable anyone?
In-Reply-To: <58073.8211.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <497193.1682.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

We have a winner.

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Geoffrey ODonoghue <go1845 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Geoffrey ODonoghue <go1845 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [kj] Unspeakable anyone?
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 12:47 PM







Hi all
?
I have had a bit of a tidy-up as a result of changing jobs and I have come across a spare copy of the 2CD Unspeakable KJ compilation. For those of you who might not have heard of this before - it was a project done (almost 10 years ago!) by The Gathering that assembled a bunch of unavailable and/or hard to find KJ material for distribution to list members. Some of this material has since seen a more widespread release but I think there?still might be?a few things on there that are not readily available. Just send me your mailing address if you are interested. I can't provide any artwork but the tracklist is below.
?
Geoff
?
Disc one:
1. Malicious Boogie (bbc radio session '79)
2. Nuclear Boy (bbc radio session '79)
3. You're Being Followed (live bootleg '79)
4. Animal (live bootleg '79)
5. What's the Matter? (live bootleg '79)
6. Are you Receiving? 
7. Nervous System 
8. Turn to Red 
9. Wardance 
10. Pssyche 
11. Change 
12. Brilliant (instrumental)
13. Birds of a Feather 
14. Sun Goes Down 
15. Take Take Take (live)
16. The Hive (live bootleg '82)

?Disc two:
1. Me or You 
2. Wilful Days 
3. New Culture (bbc '84)
4. All Play Rebel (bbc '84)
5. Blue feather (bbc '84)
6. A New Day 
7. Ecstasy 
8. Jihad (instrumental)
9. The Fanatic (live bootleg '89)
10. Another Cult Goes Down (instrumental)
11. Hollywood Babylon (soundtrack cut)
12. Mass
13. Drug (soundtrack cut)
14. 4 Stations of the Sun (unreleased)

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From wessidetempest at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  2 10:19:07 2008
From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com (Christof hamille)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:19:07 -0400
Subject: [kj] More KJ LA Ticket News (sorta)
In-Reply-To: <1497.124.171.241.70.1220073909.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
References: <d4d.2e24d5e3.35e9beef@aol.com>
	<1497.124.171.241.70.1220073909.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <BAY138-W962587B2D0C12B212F8D2DB5F0@phx.gbl>


He is supposed to be nice and personable.  That doesn't mean his music can't suck.  Sorry.

> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:25:09 +1200
> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] More KJ LA Ticket News (sorta)
> 
> *comic-store guy voice*
> 
> "Worst show EVER."
> 
> Or as we say in New Zealand:
> 
> "EATASS!"
> 
> >
> > T.B.  the singer really fell down? I was probably ooutside for that
> > priceless moment because that band were horrible! Amen that I was outside!
> > HA!
> >
> > I read somewhere the singer is in rehab writing new songs? Supposedly he
> > said that they do not have a record contract anymore and aren't pressured
> > to
> > write. Let me guess why you do not have a record contract anymore....
> > Mmmmmmmmm?
> > Is because you guys really do suck? ;)
> >
> > ~LB
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/28/2008 2:35:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > partyslammer at socal.rr.com writes:
> >
> > folk  devil" wrote:
> >
> > who is supporting?...if it's them again, i'm going  late...
> >
> > +++++
> >
> > You mean "Amen," that punk metal band fronted by  Casey Chaos?  Heh, they
> > were pretty dreadful at the '03 LA show and  the bit where Casey fell and
> > screwed up his arm after baiting the audience  and was literally crying as
> > they left the stage was priceless.
> >
> > I  keep fairly regular contact with Brian James (ex-Damned/Lords of the
> > New
> > Church guitarist) and at one point a few years ago, he was pretty keen to
> > try and start The Lords back up with Chaos fronting or at least do a solo
> > project with Chaos.  If I recall, they did one tiny club gig in  London
> > together billed as a "30th Anniversary Damned" show in '06 with Rat
> > Scabies
> > that was actually well-received but nothing further has come of  them
> > collaborating.
> >
> > T.B.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From elana_mojica at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  2 10:39:04 2008
From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com (Elana Mojica)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:39:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. John Bechdel/AOTW (support)
Message-ID: <935040.7411.qm@web57313.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

awesome! Burt and John are such sweethearts! I had fun hanging with them the last Ministry tour :)



----- Original Message ----
From: vaio719 <vaio719 at livedoor.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Monday, September 1, 2008 7:34:00 AM
Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. John Bechdel/AOTW (support)

FEAR FACTORY Singer's ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS Schedules U.S., European Dates - Aug. 31, 2008
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=103821


>ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS, the band featuring FEAR FACTORY frontman Burton C. Bell and John Bechdel (MINISTRY, KILLING JOKE, FALSE ICONS), has scheduled the following dates:

U.S.:
Oct. 11 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING JOKE)
Oct. 12 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING JOKE)
Oct. 14 - House Of Blues - Chicago, IL (w/ KILLING JOKE)

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Ascension of The Watchers feat. John Bechdel
http://www.myspace.com/aotw


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From vaio719 at livedoor.com  Tue Sep  2 11:49:57 2008
From: vaio719 at livedoor.com (vaio719)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:49:57 +0900
Subject: [kj] [OT] 10.27 ?
Message-ID: <91476d3f0809020849l50b2d2bcr5ffd08e412c7b559@mail.gmail.com>

God Only Knows.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BC_UILNwWrc



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

10.20 : Ministry/ Killing Joke Bassist Paul Raven Dead At 46 - MTV News
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1572403/20071021/ministry.jhtml

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From josborn5 at kent.edu  Tue Sep  2 11:52:05 2008
From: josborn5 at kent.edu (josborn5 at kent.edu)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:52:05 -0400
Subject: [kj] Anima Mundi
In-Reply-To: <1646350c0809020140h8e44284yd544f16d4b89851e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1646350c0809020140h8e44284yd544f16d4b89851e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f77a80eb12bf.12bff77a80eb@kent.edu>

For a second...I thought when you said 'Anima Mundi' you were referring
to a Japanese compilation album with Boredoms, Rovo,  etc.,

===================
James B Osborne
josborn5 at kent.edu
www.nuclear-boy.com

----- Original Message -----
From: iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 4:40 am
Subject: [kj] Anima Mundi
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>

> off the crass bitty on the Southern Forum:
> Permaculture Punk:
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzqmGNxwwA
> Here's some images from the 2 week permaculture course I recently ran
> in California. Soundtrack is by Anima Mundi, who were the people I
> stayed with, a punk 'musicians collective' of the anarcho-punk/Crass
> school with heavy influences from Conflict and Killing Joke amongst
> others. In fact they played over here at the after show party
> following the Steve ignorant 'Feeding the 5000' gig last November.
> Hope its not too off-topic...
> Graham Burnett
> 
> 
> -- 
> iPat
> _______________________________________________
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From angrytomhanks at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  2 13:18:36 2008
From: angrytomhanks at yahoo.com (Leigh Newton)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:18:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] [OT] 10.27 ?
Message-ID: <159984.86845.qm@web65716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Better decision in the end to have Carl sing this one. His delivery was a lot softer and sweeter. Great and interesting version though. This was the song my wife and I danced to at our wedding!

Leigh


 http://www.nightruiner.com
http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale



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From: vaio719 <vaio719 at livedoor.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:49:57 AM
Subject: [kj] [OT] 10.27 ?

God Only Knows.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BC_UILNwWrc



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

10.20 : Ministry/ Killing Joke Bassist Paul Raven Dead At 46 - MTV News
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1572403/20071021/ministry.jhtml

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From jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Sep  2 14:14:21 2008
From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk (Jim Harper)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:14:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] (OT) Public Image tab...
Message-ID: <945764.75118.qm@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello!
?
I've probably asked this question before, so apologies in advance.
?
I know there are many guitar players on the list, so I was wondering if anyone here has put together any Public Image tabs for guitar, preferably (although not exclusively) from the second half of their career, from Album onwards. I accidentally worked out 'The Body' last night, but on the whole I'm shit at working songs out by ear and could really do with assistance from better guitarists than myself. There are a few tabs knocking about on the 'net, mostly their earlier material (and 'Disappointed), but they're not always that good. One guy claims to have tabbed 'Rise', but all he's really done is write 'D C G', with no indication of what you actually play, and no mention of any of the other guitar parts. 
?
Can anyone? Thanks!
?
Jim.

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From LONESTYLE at aol.com  Tue Sep  2 14:15:58 2008
From: LONESTYLE at aol.com (LONESTYLE at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:15:58 EDT
Subject: [kj] Anima Mundi
Message-ID: <bf3.3d2d0dfe.35eedcde@aol.com>

 
I am friend's with Greg in that band. Very cool stuff.
 
~ LB
 
In a message dated 9/2/2008 1:40:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
pmdavies at gmail.com writes:

off the  crass bitty on the Southern Forum:
Permaculture  Punk:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzqmGNxwwA
Here's some images from  the 2 week permaculture course I recently ran
in California. Soundtrack is  by Anima Mundi, who were the people I
stayed with, a punk 'musicians  collective' of the anarcho-punk/Crass
school with heavy influences from  Conflict and Killing Joke amongst
others. In fact they played over here at  the after show party
following the Steve ignorant 'Feeding the 5000' gig  last November.
Hope its not too off-topic...
Graham  Burnett


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From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 15:53:16 2008
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:53:16 +1200
Subject: [kj] Anima Mundi
In-Reply-To: <bf3.3d2d0dfe.35eedcde@aol.com>
References: <bf3.3d2d0dfe.35eedcde@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ce16091e0809021253u29203608jd30d06b49d43a929@mail.gmail.com>

very cool!

-- 


"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."

From unspeakable at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep  2 16:14:34 2008
From: unspeakable at sbcglobal.net (Jiri)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:14:34 -0500
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
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 >>who else is planning on catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? 
Show of hands, please.

*raises hand*
*raises wife's hand, which fights the second night*

Any bets from anyone on:
-If the whole tour will happen as scheduled?
-If they will stick to the stated idea of KJ80 & WTF on night 1, 
Pandemonium on night 2? Somehow I see that changing. Looking forward to 
the early gig reports.

If L.A.'s House of Blues gets nervous about ticket sales, someone should 
explain to them: "Killing Joke fans are just waiting to make sure the 
band show up first."

Alexander Smith wrote:
>
> Ahoy Gang.....
>
> Sorry to be so in and out of the proceedings these days. There have 
> been lots of silly conversations I've wanted to hijack of late, but 
> I'm running around like a madman. In any case, I just wanted to get a 
> rough idea. I know Mik & Milinda are in, but who else is planning on 
> catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? Show of hands, please.
>
> Alex iN NYC
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From wessidetempest at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  2 16:37:07 2008
From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com (Christof hamille)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:37:07 -0400
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
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I have to be honest the prospects of them performing this or that albumin its entirety does not thrill me at all.

1. They typically play a lot of stuff off s/t and a good number of wtf anyway.  And while I like Pandemonium playing the entire album again (they practically did for the tour) isn't necessary.  If you want I'd rather hear Democracy.  never heard any of it live.

2. There are plenty of great albums that get ignored all together.  Extremities.  People.  How long have we been bitching about not hearing any of it.  And while I didn't care, much, for Hosannas I would like to hear the live translation of 2 songs (TOPS).

3. Couldn't/shouldn't they play proper homage to Raven?  Yeah I know this tour exists because of him.  And yeah you'll probably hear Love Like Blood and maybe Kings and Queens or Eighties.  But really.  Lets pay proper respect and play something other then the obvious hits.  Paul played plenty of Youth tracks that weren't hits.

4.  Killing Joke, in my opinion, were never one of those bands that had to rely on 2-3 records to sustain their career.  Maybe I am too big of a fan.  But If I had to give someone a single KJ album to give them an idea of how they sound I couldn't.  Bands are doing this type of thing all the time.  Sometimes it is to celebrate an album anniversary.  Sometimes it is to remind the public of how they became famous.  Or sometimes the album, by itself, is a defining moment (ala Sgt Peppers).  roger Waters did it with the Wall.  Cheap Trick did it with the first 3 lps.  Melvins with Houdini.  etc etc etc.

The one advantage that I see of this rather lax schedule is that Jaz shouldn't have an issue of his "voice".  I never read that Geordies fingers hurt

;)

Chris

> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:14:34 -0500
> From: unspeakable at sbcglobal.net
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
> 
>  >>who else is planning on catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? 
> Show of hands, please.
> 
> *raises hand*
> *raises wife's hand, which fights the second night*
> 
> Any bets from anyone on:
> -If the whole tour will happen as scheduled?
> -If they will stick to the stated idea of KJ80 & WTF on night 1, 
> Pandemonium on night 2? Somehow I see that changing. Looking forward to 
> the early gig reports.
> 
> If L.A.'s House of Blues gets nervous about ticket sales, someone should 
> explain to them: "Killing Joke fans are just waiting to make sure the 
> band show up first."
> 
> Alexander Smith wrote:
> >
> > Ahoy Gang.....
> >
> > Sorry to be so in and out of the proceedings these days. There have 
> > been lots of silly conversations I've wanted to hijack of late, but 
> > I'm running around like a madman. In any case, I just wanted to get a 
> > rough idea. I know Mik & Milinda are in, but who else is planning on 
> > catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? Show of hands, please.
> >
> > Alex iN NYC
> > _______________________________________________
> > Gathering mailing list
> > Gathering at misera.net
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> >
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From elana_mojica at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  2 16:43:00 2008
From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com (Elana Mojica)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
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If and when i hear Love like Blood... I'm going to fucking lose it



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Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 3:37:07 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008

 I have to be honest the prospects of them performing this or that albumin its entirety does not thrill me at all.

1. They typically play a lot of stuff off s/t and a good number of wtf anyway.  And while I like Pandemonium playing the entire album again (they practically did for the tour) isn't necessary.  If you want I'd rather hear Democracy.  never heard any of it live.

2. There are plenty of great albums that get ignored all together.  Extremities.  People.  How long have we been bitching about not hearing any of it.  And while I didn't care, much, for Hosannas I would like to hear the live translation of 2 songs (TOPS).

3. Couldn't/shouldn't they play proper homage to Raven?  Yeah I know this tour exists because of him.  And yeah you'll probably hear Love Like Blood and maybe Kings and Queens or Eighties.  But really.  Lets pay proper respect and play something other then the obvious hits.  Paul played plenty of Youth tracks that weren't hits.

4.  Killing Joke, in my opinion, were never one of those bands that had to rely on 2-3 records to sustain their career.  Maybe I am too big of a fan.  But If I had to give someone a single KJ album to give them an idea of how they sound I couldn't.  Bands are doing this type of thing all the time.  Sometimes it is to celebrate an album anniversary.  Sometimes it is to remind the public of how they became famous.  Or sometimes the album, by itself, is a defining moment (ala Sgt Peppers).  roger Waters did it with the Wall.  Cheap Trick did it with the first 3 lps.  Melvins with Houdini.  etc etc etc.

The one advantage that I see of this rather lax schedule is that Jaz shouldn't have an issue of his "voice".  I never read that Geordies fingers hurt

;)

Chris

> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:14:34 -0500
> From: unspeakable at sbcglobal.net
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
> 
>  >>who else is planning on catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? 
> Show of hands, please.
> 
> *raises hand*
> *raises wife's hand, which fights the second night*
> 
> Any bets from anyone on:
> -If the whole tour will happen as scheduled?
> -If they will stick to the stated idea of KJ80 & WTF on night 1, 
> Pandemonium on night 2? Somehow I see that changing. Looking forward to 
> the early gig reports.
> 
> If L.A.'s House of Blues gets nervous about ticket sales, someone should 
> explain to them: "Killing Joke fans are just waiting to make sure the 
> band show up first."
> 
> Alexander Smith wrote:
> >
> > Ahoy Gang.....
> >
> > Sorry to be so in and out of the proceedings these days. There have 
> > been lots of silly conversations I've wanted to hijack of late, but 
> > I'm running around like a madman. In any case, I just wanted to get a 
> > rough idea. I know Mik & Milinda are in, but who else is planning on 
> > catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? Show of hands, please.
> >
> > Alex iN NYC
> > _______________________________________________
> > Gathering mailing list
> > Gathering at misera.net
> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> >
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  2 16:57:10 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
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That was very well put. Many will agree.
?
Which 2 songs (from?"Hosannas...")?do you wanna hear live?
?

?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 1:37 PM




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I have to be honest the prospects of them performing this or that albumin its entirety does not thrill me at all.

1. They typically play a lot of stuff off s/t and a good number of wtf anyway.? And while I like Pandemonium playing the entire album again (they practically did for the tour) isn't necessary.? If you want I'd rather hear Democracy.? never heard any of it live.

2. There are plenty of great albums that get ignored all together.? Extremities.? People.? How long have we been bitching about not hearing any of it.? And while I didn't care, much, for Hosannas I would like to hear the live translation of 2 songs (TOPS).

3. Couldn't/shouldn't they play proper homage to Raven?? Yeah I know this tour exists because of him.? And yeah you'll probably hear Love Like Blood and maybe Kings and Queens or Eighties.? But really.? Lets pay proper respect and play something other then the obvious hits.? Paul played plenty of Youth tracks that weren't hits.

4.? Killing Joke, in my opinion, were never one of those bands that had to rely on 2-3 records to sustain their career.? Maybe I am too big of a fan.? But If I had to give someone a single KJ album to give them an idea of how they sound I couldn't.? Bands are doing this type of thing all the time.? Sometimes it is to celebrate an album anniversary.? Sometimes it is to remind the public of how they became famous.? Or sometimes the album, by itself, is a defining moment (ala Sgt Peppers).? roger Waters did it with the Wall.? Cheap Trick did it with the first 3 lps.? Melvins with Houdini.? etc etc etc.

The one advantage that I see of this rather lax schedule is that Jaz shouldn't have an issue of his "voice".? I never read that Geordies fingers hurt

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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  2 19:33:04 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:33:04 -0400
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
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For what it's worth, I shot off an e-mail to the last e-mail address I  
had for Big Paul Ferguson to find out an update on the proceedings.  
Unsurprisingly, I haven't heard back, but I'd imagine he's a bit busy  
at the moment. Will shoot up a flair if he does get back to me though.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Jiri wrote:

> >>who else is planning on catching the Joke's show in NYC in  
> October??? Show of hands, please.
>
> *raises hand*
> *raises wife's hand, which fights the second night*
>
> Any bets from anyone on:
> -If the whole tour will happen as scheduled?
> -If they will stick to the stated idea of KJ80 & WTF on night 1,  
> Pandemonium on night 2? Somehow I see that changing. Looking forward  
> to the early gig reports.
>
> If L.A.'s House of Blues gets nervous about ticket sales, someone  
> should explain to them: "Killing Joke fans are just waiting to make  
> sure the band show up first."
>
> Alexander Smith wrote:
>>
>> Ahoy Gang.....
>>
>> Sorry to be so in and out of the proceedings these days. There have  
>> been lots of silly conversations I've wanted to hijack of late, but  
>> I'm running around like a madman. In any case, I just wanted to get  
>> a rough idea. I know Mik & Milinda are in, but who else is planning  
>> on catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? Show of hands,  
>> please.
>>
>> Alex iN NYC
>> _______________________________________________
>> Gathering mailing list
>> Gathering at misera.net
>> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>>
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Tue Sep  2 22:22:14 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:22:14 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
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I just turned a shade greener when you reminded me that they'll be going
full Pandemonium...I hope whatever happens they do a bunch of killer gigs.

>
> I have to be honest the prospects of them performing this or that albumin
> its entirety does not thrill me at all.
>
> 1. They typically play a lot of stuff off s/t and a good number of wtf
> anyway.  And while I like Pandemonium playing the entire album again (they
> practically did for the tour) isn't necessary.  If you want I'd rather
> hear Democracy.  never heard any of it live.
>
> 2. There are plenty of great albums that get ignored all together.
> Extremities.  People.  How long have we been bitching about not hearing
> any of it.  And while I didn't care, much, for Hosannas I would like to
> hear the live translation of 2 songs (TOPS).
>
> 3. Couldn't/shouldn't they play proper homage to Raven?  Yeah I know this
> tour exists because of him.  And yeah you'll probably hear Love Like Blood
> and maybe Kings and Queens or Eighties.  But really.  Lets pay proper
> respect and play something other then the obvious hits.  Paul played
> plenty of Youth tracks that weren't hits.
>
> 4.  Killing Joke, in my opinion, were never one of those bands that had to
> rely on 2-3 records to sustain their career.  Maybe I am too big of a fan.
>  But If I had to give someone a single KJ album to give them an idea of
> how they sound I couldn't.  Bands are doing this type of thing all the
> time.  Sometimes it is to celebrate an album anniversary.  Sometimes it is
> to remind the public of how they became famous.  Or sometimes the album,
> by itself, is a defining moment (ala Sgt Peppers).  roger Waters did it
> with the Wall.  Cheap Trick did it with the first 3 lps.  Melvins with
> Houdini.  etc etc etc.
>
> The one advantage that I see of this rather lax schedule is that Jaz
> shouldn't have an issue of his "voice".  I never read that Geordies
> fingers hurt
>
> ;)
>
> Chris
>
>> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:14:34 -0500
>> From: unspeakable at sbcglobal.net
>> To: gathering at misera.net
>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
>>
>>  >>who else is planning on catching the Joke's show in NYC in October???
>> Show of hands, please.
>>
>> *raises hand*
>> *raises wife's hand, which fights the second night*
>>
>> Any bets from anyone on:
>> -If the whole tour will happen as scheduled?
>> -If they will stick to the stated idea of KJ80 & WTF on night 1,
>> Pandemonium on night 2? Somehow I see that changing. Looking forward to
>> the early gig reports.
>>
>> If L.A.'s House of Blues gets nervous about ticket sales, someone should
>> explain to them: "Killing Joke fans are just waiting to make sure the
>> band show up first."
>>
>> Alexander Smith wrote:
>> >
>> > Ahoy Gang.....
>> >
>> > Sorry to be so in and out of the proceedings these days. There have
>> > been lots of silly conversations I've wanted to hijack of late, but
>> > I'm running around like a madman. In any case, I just wanted to get a
>> > rough idea. I know Mik & Milinda are in, but who else is planning on
>> > catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? Show of hands, please.
>> >
>> > Alex iN NYC
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Gathering mailing list
>> > Gathering at misera.net
>> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>> >
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From antoni at clara.net  Wed Sep  3 06:41:35 2008
From: antoni at clara.net (pssyche23)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:41:35 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig
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Though I didn't get to see the email yesterday we did all manage to meet up last night ... Steve Jones looked like Mr Blobby ... a nice warm up for the KJ tour ... the place was mobbed & the bootleg t-shirt sellers were doing a roaring trade outside ... you almost felt like this might be the last time they play together ... but then again ... 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:27 AM
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   i will be there  aswell antoni,so we will see you later all beeing well arond about 7ish ok ;)
   
  milinda



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  To: gathering at misera.net
  Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:14:46 +0100
  Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig




  You beat me to it Mik ... I just remembered it might be a good idea to send an email whilst on my journey home ... quite happy to meet in The Old Trout ... that's the one in the tube station shopping centre, opposite Tesco ... how very quaint ... doors open at 7 ... any ideas on the support ? I can see you there at 6, if not earlier ... 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
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    To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 
    Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:58 PM
    Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig


    So who?s off to see the pistols tomorrow? Antoni? Anyone fancy meeting up for a drink beforehand?



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From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  3 07:58:42 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:58:42 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig
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nice to meet up with you again after a long time ;D
 
i did enjoy the gig,thought they were okish,good at the start but a bit roppy towards the end--the location of my seat was bloody miles away from the stage,up on second balcony,everyone there stood up,so seeing stage was a challenge---i stuck out gig until they played bodies,then thought they were not as good as when i saw them in brixton acadamy end of last year, plus hammersmith appollo is a crap venue, so decided to leave only missing a few numbers which less face it,ive herd live b.4 ;verdict..6 out of 10 ;/ 
 
and 9 out of ten-for johns humour one linners lol  ;D)))))
 
milinda



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Though I didn't get to see the email yesterday we did all manage to meet up last night ... Steve Jones looked like Mr Blobby ... a nice warm up for the KJ tour ... the place was mobbed & the bootleg t-shirt sellers were doing a roaring trade outside ... you almost felt like this might be the last time they play together ... but then again ... 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: melinda grant 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig
 i will be there  aswell antoni,so we will see you later all beeing well arond about 7ish ok ;) milinda


From: antoni at clara.netTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:14:46 +0100Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig


You beat me to it Mik ... I just remembered it might be a good idea to send an email whilst on my journey home ... quite happy to meet in The Old Trout ... that's the one in the tube station shopping centre, opposite Tesco ... how very quaint ... doors open at 7 ... any ideas on the support ? I can see you there at 6, if not earlier ... 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mik Raven 
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: [kj] OT: Sex Pistols Gig


So who?s off to see the pistols tomorrow? Antoni? Anyone fancy meeting up for a drink beforehand?
 
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:06:20 EDT
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From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:12:01 +0100
Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008
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Oooh . . . mine may be at home :-) 

 

 

 

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From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 10:07:17 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:07:17 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] My Delightful Downstairs Neighbour OT
In-Reply-To: <381606.11376.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <817085.87394.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

The council recently stole all electrical "noise making equipment from my flat to prevent me listening to music in my own home. They warned me that I would get an ASBO if I carried on listening to music in my own home. I asked if I could have a T-shirt and framed certificate to go on the wall. Starngely the ASBO busybodies do not view the fact that the same person has assaulted me three times as "anti-social behaviour." Hitting people is much more anti-social than listening to music in my opinion. On the last weekend of August Manchester Evening News had a hilarious frontpage headline "The Death Knell of the ASBO," procaliming that the use of ASBOs for such trivial matters has backfired as most people ignore them. They'll be stepping on the cracks in the pavement next! 

Here's the story of the first couple of assaults: 

My fuse had blown so music was out and there was dance racket coming from Flat 2 downstairs, summer gaylord disco camp shtick. It wasn't up to much but I was curious to see how Doctor Who would fight off the Cyber-Dalek apocalypse with a pair of red-green 3D specs. Joanna Wheeler answered her door and invited me in where she and three friends were drinking beer, smoking dope and snorting coke. She gave me a can of Grolsch and we put Dr Who on with the sound down. Hell I was only really interested in the effects not the script which seemed to involve flying Daleks, Cybermen invading suburban homes to watch TV and men with guns running about a lot and kissing Dr Who. The best bit was when the Daleks skullfucked an Asian scientist, leaving no flesh on his head. The skull looked rather like Wheeler's pathetic boyfriend who she claimed was not her boyfriend when he'd gone out to the offy. I gave him a fiver to get some more lager. Jo was behaving
 flirtatiously, but at least she wasn't drunk enough to take off her knickers to show off her shaven cunt whilst hollering, "Fuck me up the arse!" which she did on a previous evening when I popped in for a drink. She was the worst shag I've ever had by some distance. After Romain returned he started bleating in his camp whiny voice, "Where's me blow? Somebody's knicked me blow!" Everyone would get tired of the act and somehow he'd find his brown lump. Later I realised he was trying to pull a pathetic con trick of blaming me for stealing his drugs to have an excuse to have a go at me. After snorting more cocaine than his brain could deal with, he suddenly punched me in the face and ran out of the flat and out of the house. Everyone was quite surprised, but retrospectively I realised he'd probably been getting insanely jealous as Wheeler was behaving flirtatiously towards me. I ended up with a fat lip and still have a slightly numb spot above a tooth.
 Everyone thought he was out of order and rather ridiculous. Jo said he'd be back tomorrow, and sure enough he was, oozing pitiful regret and apologising for his stupid behaviour. At the time I didn't despise him as much as I would later so I accepted the apology, more for Jo's sake than his. After that I avoided him as much as possible as he was always pretty annoying. One night I was in their flat and they put 'Alien 3' on. Paul through a tantrum because Jo wasn't shagging him and went to bed, so I left. 

Next time he attacked me he tried to force his way into my flat to steal a computer he'd given me. He acquired a few computers from a local college upgrading their machines, on the proviso that he pass them on to people living in Whalley Range. I guess he didn't mention that he was actually living in Chorlton. He managed to push me over and knocked a radiator off the wall, so all the water poured out of it. I wasn't actually harmed, and called the police but after he did his pity me act and the WPC let him off after telling him that he had no right to order me to turn down music as he didn't legally live in Flat 2. He even told her that if I played loud music he'd try to atack me again, and admitted the attempted robbery, but she still didn't charge him. She also asked me not to play music so loud.


Romain is a racist creep who mutters crap about immigrants who come over here stealing jobs from the working class English born and bred, not realising that he probably has Italian blood from migrant ancestors judging by his surname. He also spews false inadequate pride in his working class roots, so I guess its a shame that he's too insecure and incompetant to get off sickness benefit for long. Anyway, to be asked to turn music down for the benefit of this parasite who has tried and failed to bully me is a gross insult. He'd also love it if I moved out so that he could move into my flat.

Here's a couple of excerpts from my conversation with the woman from the City Council's ASBO harrassment unit, who clearly is not stupid...

The first thing I wanted to bring up is that the list of items you took from my flat that you only provided for me after I wrote to you rather than at the time the items were stolen, is incomplete. There was also some speaker cable that is worth a lot more than some of those old  speakers I rescued from skips. I mentioned in a letter that there is a tape by the Dead C in the battered old black double cassette deck / radio. There's a Tom Waits CD inside the  silver Onkyo CD player and a Thalia Zedek CD inside the discman. When the dour Council servant with the moustache took the crap RSPCA DVD player he made a point of removing my Tortoise DVD from it so I think it is fair to assume that your warrant didn't actually cover these three items that were taken and a case might even be able to be made legally that it was theft to take them. I'd like them back without having to pay you eight hundred pounds, especially the Thalia Zedek CD as I haven't been able
 to find another copy of it anywhere. Obviously that alone won't be worth paying eight hundred pounds for.

LH - You think the CDs are in there?

They are in the machines and I don't think they are covered by the warrant. It'd be stupid to pay a solictor three hundred pounds to find out.

LH - I'll look into that.

The thing about anti-social behaviour is it isn't like my neighbours have been so well behaved themselves.

LH - I have some notes here from your letter so what we'll do is go through these. In the letter from the 13th of May you're claiming that an amplifier was broken. 

Yes and the knob that came off is still in my possession as is the front cover of one of the large black Technics speakers.

LH - Which amplifier is it?

The large old analogue one with the VDUs on the front. I expect it will have stopped working after being moved as the last time I moved it it almost died, so its not really going to be worth paying you to get it back. I guess its not a big deal, except that the police assured me that nothing would be damaged by the diligent Council thieves.
Do you realise you could have paid to soundproof my flat instead of all this bureaucratic harrassment that has ultimately just annoyed me?

''''

12:29

LH - My concern is the neighbours that you're disturbing. There's nothing worse than having to endure loud music constantly at various hours of the day.

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever been told in my life. Would you rather have AIDS?

LH - I'm not going to continue. I'm trying to explain to you at the moment.

I understand what you are trying to explain.

LH - Well do you not understand what I'm saying to you?

I think you just said something very stupid and I told you so. I proved it I think as you haven't disputed that hearing music is preferable to contracting AIDS. I don't see why that should be used as a feeble excuse to end this conversation.

LH - I'm trying to explain something and you're calling me stupid! Do you think that's going to help the situation?

I didn't call you stupid. I said that you said something stupid. There is a difference. Do you understand?

(Despite announcing that she would not continue, she did in fact carry on and later wrote me a letter assuring me that the council had not broken any of the things they stole).

13:27

  




      

From blankwerks at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 10:31:16 2008
From: blankwerks at gmail.com (blankwerks)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:31:16 +0100
Subject: [kj] My Delightful Downstairs Neighbour OT
In-Reply-To: <817085.87394.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <381606.11376.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<817085.87394.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c71c0ae90809030731p149cde4au6e7b2358315dc6cd@mail.gmail.com>

what?

2008/9/3 Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

> The council recently stole all electrical "noise making equipment from my
> flat to prevent me listening to music in my own home. They warned me that I
> would get an ASBO if I carried on listening to music in my own home. I asked
> if I could have a T-shirt and framed certificate to go on the wall.
> Starngely the ASBO busybodies do not view the fact that the same person has
> assaulted me three times as "anti-social behaviour." Hitting people is much
> more anti-social than listening to music in my opinion. On the last weekend
> of August Manchester Evening News had a hilarious frontpage headline "The
> Death Knell of the ASBO," procaliming that the use of ASBOs for such trivial
> matters has backfired as most people ignore them. They'll be stepping on the
> cracks in the pavement next!
>
> Here's the story of the first couple of assaults:
>
> My fuse had blown so music was out and there was dance racket coming from
> Flat 2 downstairs, summer gaylord disco camp shtick. It wasn't up to much
> but I was curious to see how Doctor Who would fight off the Cyber-Dalek
> apocalypse with a pair of red-green 3D specs. Joanna Wheeler answered her
> door and invited me in where she and three friends were drinking beer,
> smoking dope and snorting coke. She gave me a can of Grolsch and we put Dr
> Who on with the sound down. Hell I was only really interested in the effects
> not the script which seemed to involve flying Daleks, Cybermen invading
> suburban homes to watch TV and men with guns running about a lot and kissing
> Dr Who. The best bit was when the Daleks skullfucked an Asian scientist,
> leaving no flesh on his head. The skull looked rather like Wheeler's
> pathetic boyfriend who she claimed was not her boyfriend when he'd gone out
> to the offy. I gave him a fiver to get some more lager. Jo was behaving
>  flirtatiously, but at least she wasn't drunk enough to take off her
> knickers to show off her shaven cunt whilst hollering, "Fuck me up the
> arse!" which she did on a previous evening when I popped in for a drink. She
> was the worst shag I've ever had by some distance. After Romain returned he
> started bleating in his camp whiny voice, "Where's me blow? Somebody's
> knicked me blow!" Everyone would get tired of the act and somehow he'd find
> his brown lump. Later I realised he was trying to pull a pathetic con trick
> of blaming me for stealing his drugs to have an excuse to have a go at me.
> After snorting more cocaine than his brain could deal with, he suddenly
> punched me in the face and ran out of the flat and out of the house.
> Everyone was quite surprised, but retrospectively I realised he'd probably
> been getting insanely jealous as Wheeler was behaving flirtatiously towards
> me. I ended up with a fat lip and still have a slightly numb spot above a
> tooth.
>  Everyone thought he was out of order and rather ridiculous. Jo said he'd
> be back tomorrow, and sure enough he was, oozing pitiful regret and
> apologising for his stupid behaviour. At the time I didn't despise him as
> much as I would later so I accepted the apology, more for Jo's sake than
> his. After that I avoided him as much as possible as he was always pretty
> annoying. One night I was in their flat and they put 'Alien 3' on. Paul
> through a tantrum because Jo wasn't shagging him and went to bed, so I left.
>
> Next time he attacked me he tried to force his way into my flat to steal a
> computer he'd given me. He acquired a few computers from a local college
> upgrading their machines, on the proviso that he pass them on to people
> living in Whalley Range. I guess he didn't mention that he was actually
> living in Chorlton. He managed to push me over and knocked a radiator off
> the wall, so all the water poured out of it. I wasn't actually harmed, and
> called the police but after he did his pity me act and the WPC let him off
> after telling him that he had no right to order me to turn down music as he
> didn't legally live in Flat 2. He even told her that if I played loud music
> he'd try to atack me again, and admitted the attempted robbery, but she
> still didn't charge him. She also asked me not to play music so loud.
>
>
> Romain is a racist creep who mutters crap about immigrants who come over
> here stealing jobs from the working class English born and bred, not
> realising that he probably has Italian blood from migrant ancestors judging
> by his surname. He also spews false inadequate pride in his working class
> roots, so I guess its a shame that he's too insecure and incompetant to get
> off sickness benefit for long. Anyway, to be asked to turn music down for
> the benefit of this parasite who has tried and failed to bully me is a gross
> insult. He'd also love it if I moved out so that he could move into my flat.
>
> Here's a couple of excerpts from my conversation with the woman from the
> City Council's ASBO harrassment unit, who clearly is not stupid...
>
> The first thing I wanted to bring up is that the list of items you took
> from my flat that you only provided for me after I wrote to you rather than
> at the time the items were stolen, is incomplete. There was also some
> speaker cable that is worth a lot more than some of those old  speakers I
> rescued from skips. I mentioned in a letter that there is a tape by the Dead
> C in the battered old black double cassette deck / radio. There's a Tom
> Waits CD inside the  silver Onkyo CD player and a Thalia Zedek CD inside the
> discman. When the dour Council servant with the moustache took the crap
> RSPCA DVD player he made a point of removing my Tortoise DVD from it so I
> think it is fair to assume that your warrant didn't actually cover these
> three items that were taken and a case might even be able to be made legally
> that it was theft to take them. I'd like them back without having to pay you
> eight hundred pounds, especially the Thalia Zedek CD as I haven't been able
>  to find another copy of it anywhere. Obviously that alone won't be worth
> paying eight hundred pounds for.
>
> LH - You think the CDs are in there?
>
> They are in the machines and I don't think they are covered by the warrant.
> It'd be stupid to pay a solictor three hundred pounds to find out.
>
> LH - I'll look into that.
>
> The thing about anti-social behaviour is it isn't like my neighbours have
> been so well behaved themselves.
>
> LH - I have some notes here from your letter so what we'll do is go through
> these. In the letter from the 13th of May you're claiming that an amplifier
> was broken.
>
> Yes and the knob that came off is still in my possession as is the front
> cover of one of the large black Technics speakers.
>
> LH - Which amplifier is it?
>
> The large old analogue one with the VDUs on the front. I expect it will
> have stopped working after being moved as the last time I moved it it almost
> died, so its not really going to be worth paying you to get it back. I guess
> its not a big deal, except that the police assured me that nothing would be
> damaged by the diligent Council thieves.
> Do you realise you could have paid to soundproof my flat instead of all
> this bureaucratic harrassment that has ultimately just annoyed me?
>
> ''''
>
> 12:29
>
> LH - My concern is the neighbours that you're disturbing. There's nothing
> worse than having to endure loud music constantly at various hours of the
> day.
>
> That's one of the stupidest things I've ever been told in my life. Would
> you rather have AIDS?
>
> LH - I'm not going to continue. I'm trying to explain to you at the moment.
>
> I understand what you are trying to explain.
>
> LH - Well do you not understand what I'm saying to you?
>
> I think you just said something very stupid and I told you so. I proved it
> I think as you haven't disputed that hearing music is preferable to
> contracting AIDS. I don't see why that should be used as a feeble excuse to
> end this conversation.
>
> LH - I'm trying to explain something and you're calling me stupid! Do you
> think that's going to help the situation?
>
> I didn't call you stupid. I said that you said something stupid. There is a
> difference. Do you understand?
>
> (Despite announcing that she would not continue, she did in fact carry on
> and later wrote me a letter assuring me that the council had not broken any
> of the things they stole).
>
> 13:27
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From antoni at clara.net  Wed Sep  3 10:33:38 2008
From: antoni at clara.net (pssyche23)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:33:38 +0100
Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008
References: <ca2.3a9343d7.35efe5cc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c90dd2$0e279c60$0201a8c0@homee404atul6b>


Me too !!! :o)

PS. Needed to be signed for.
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  Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008


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From antoni at clara.net  Wed Sep  3 10:41:49 2008
From: antoni at clara.net (pssyche23)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:41:49 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT : a crap joke  :o)
Message-ID: <002d01c90dd3$33178610$0201a8c0@homee404atul6b>

Whilst very much looking forward to the arrival of the "Peel Sessions" CD 
(just the 26 or 27 years later than I hoped !!!), I thought I'd share 
something with you all.

Very much in the spirit of the orginal Viz Book Of Crap Jokes ... this 
cartoon appeared in the London Lite freebie newpaper last night ... quality 
stuff.

* http://home.clara.net/antoni/crap.JPG *

Regards, Antoni 


From gasw30 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  3 10:42:23 2008
From: gasw30 at hotmail.com (nicholas fitzpatrick)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:42:23 +0000
Subject: [kj] My Delightful Downstairs Neighbour OT
In-Reply-To: <817085.87394.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <381606.11376.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<817085.87394.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W3BD3D037BF10737AF2683CE5E0@phx.gbl>


Living next door to people who regularly play very loud music is really f*cking annoying, IMO. Unless you live next door to KJ's rehearsal room, then that might be OK. But has your neighbour actually complained? Maybe she's too polite to, even if she does take loads of coke and shave her fanny. Perhaps, though, she complains about your loud music now and again to that Romain guy so he was just trying to get the message across on her behalf by asking you to turn it down. Maybe he hoped to get a shag out of it, but in any case, assuming you do play loud music regularly, don't you think it might piss your neighbours off? 

As for him hitting you, if he's definitely not going out with this girl then obviously he's out of order. I presume if that copper let him off after his 'pitty me' act it's because you didn't want to press charges. You had a cut lip to prove assault and he admitted attempted robbery. You could have got his collar felt. Why didn't you?


----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:07:17 +0000
> From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: [kj] My Delightful Downstairs Neighbour OT
> 
> The council recently stole all electrical "noise making equipment from my flat to prevent me listening to music in my own home. They warned me that I would get an ASBO if I carried on listening to music in my own home. I asked if I could have a T-shirt and framed certificate to go on the wall. Starngely the ASBO busybodies do not view the fact that the same person has assaulted me three times as "anti-social behaviour." Hitting people is much more anti-social than listening to music in my opinion. On the last weekend of August Manchester Evening News had a hilarious frontpage headline "The Death Knell of the ASBO," procaliming that the use of ASBOs for such trivial matters has backfired as most people ignore them. They'll be stepping on the cracks in the pavement next! 
> 
> Here's the story of the first couple of assaults: 
> 
> My fuse had blown so music was out and there was dance racket coming from Flat 2 downstairs, summer gaylord disco camp shtick. It wasn't up to much but I was curious to see how Doctor Who would fight off the Cyber-Dalek apocalypse with a pair of red-green 3D specs. Joanna Wheeler answered her door and invited me in where she and three friends were drinking beer, smoking dope and snorting coke. She gave me a can of Grolsch and we put Dr Who on with the sound down. Hell I was only really interested in the effects not the script which seemed to involve flying Daleks, Cybermen invading suburban homes to watch TV and men with guns running about a lot and kissing Dr Who. The best bit was when the Daleks skullfucked an Asian scientist, leaving no flesh on his head. The skull looked rather like Wheeler's pathetic boyfriend who she claimed was not her boyfriend when he'd gone out to the offy. I gave him a fiver to get some more lager. Jo was behaving
>  flirtatiously, but at least she wasn't drunk enough to take off her knickers to show off her shaven cunt whilst hollering, "Fuck me up the arse!" which she did on a previous evening when I popped in for a drink. She was the worst shag I've ever had by some distance. After Romain returned he started bleating in his camp whiny voice, "Where's me blow? Somebody's knicked me blow!" Everyone would get tired of the act and somehow he'd find his brown lump. Later I realised he was trying to pull a pathetic con trick of blaming me for stealing his drugs to have an excuse to have a go at me. After snorting more cocaine than his brain could deal with, he suddenly punched me in the face and ran out of the flat and out of the house. Everyone was quite surprised, but retrospectively I realised he'd probably been getting insanely jealous as Wheeler was behaving flirtatiously towards me. I ended up with a fat lip and still have a slightly numb spot above a tooth.
>  Everyone thought he was out of order and rather ridiculous. Jo said he'd be back tomorrow, and sure enough he was, oozing pitiful regret and apologising for his stupid behaviour. At the time I didn't despise him as much as I would later so I accepted the apology, more for Jo's sake than his. After that I avoided him as much as possible as he was always pretty annoying. One night I was in their flat and they put 'Alien 3' on. Paul through a tantrum because Jo wasn't shagging him and went to bed, so I left. 
> 
> Next time he attacked me he tried to force his way into my flat to steal a computer he'd given me. He acquired a few computers from a local college upgrading their machines, on the proviso that he pass them on to people living in Whalley Range. I guess he didn't mention that he was actually living in Chorlton. He managed to push me over and knocked a radiator off the wall, so all the water poured out of it. I wasn't actually harmed, and called the police but after he did his pity me act and the WPC let him off after telling him that he had no right to order me to turn down music as he didn't legally live in Flat 2. He even told her that if I played loud music he'd try to atack me again, and admitted the attempted robbery, but she still didn't charge him. She also asked me not to play music so loud.
> 
> 
> Romain is a racist creep who mutters crap about immigrants who come over here stealing jobs from the working class English born and bred, not realising that he probably has Italian blood from migrant ancestors judging by his surname. He also spews false inadequate pride in his working class roots, so I guess its a shame that he's too insecure and incompetant to get off sickness benefit for long. Anyway, to be asked to turn music down for the benefit of this parasite who has tried and failed to bully me is a gross insult. He'd also love it if I moved out so that he could move into my flat.
> 
> Here's a couple of excerpts from my conversation with the woman from the City Council's ASBO harrassment unit, who clearly is not stupid...
> 
> The first thing I wanted to bring up is that the list of items you took from my flat that you only provided for me after I wrote to you rather than at the time the items were stolen, is incomplete. There was also some speaker cable that is worth a lot more than some of those old  speakers I rescued from skips. I mentioned in a letter that there is a tape by the Dead C in the battered old black double cassette deck / radio. There's a Tom Waits CD inside the  silver Onkyo CD player and a Thalia Zedek CD inside the discman. When the dour Council servant with the moustache took the crap RSPCA DVD player he made a point of removing my Tortoise DVD from it so I think it is fair to assume that your warrant didn't actually cover these three items that were taken and a case might even be able to be made legally that it was theft to take them. I'd like them back without having to pay you eight hundred pounds, especially the Thalia Zedek CD as I haven't been able
>  to find another copy of it anywhere. Obviously that alone won't be worth paying eight hundred pounds for.
> 
> LH - You think the CDs are in there?
> 
> They are in the machines and I don't think they are covered by the warrant. It'd be stupid to pay a solictor three hundred pounds to find out.
> 
> LH - I'll look into that.
> 
> The thing about anti-social behaviour is it isn't like my neighbours have been so well behaved themselves.
> 
> LH - I have some notes here from your letter so what we'll do is go through these. In the letter from the 13th of May you're claiming that an amplifier was broken. 
> 
> Yes and the knob that came off is still in my possession as is the front cover of one of the large black Technics speakers.
> 
> LH - Which amplifier is it?
> 
> The large old analogue one with the VDUs on the front. I expect it will have stopped working after being moved as the last time I moved it it almost died, so its not really going to be worth paying you to get it back. I guess its not a big deal, except that the police assured me that nothing would be damaged by the diligent Council thieves.
> Do you realise you could have paid to soundproof my flat instead of all this bureaucratic harrassment that has ultimately just annoyed me?
> 
> ''''
> 
> 12:29
> 
> LH - My concern is the neighbours that you're disturbing. There's nothing worse than having to endure loud music constantly at various hours of the day.
> 
> That's one of the stupidest things I've ever been told in my life. Would you rather have AIDS?
> 
> LH - I'm not going to continue. I'm trying to explain to you at the moment.
> 
> I understand what you are trying to explain.
> 
> LH - Well do you not understand what I'm saying to you?
> 
> I think you just said something very stupid and I told you so. I proved it I think as you haven't disputed that hearing music is preferable to contracting AIDS. I don't see why that should be used as a feeble excuse to end this conversation.
> 
> LH - I'm trying to explain something and you're calling me stupid! Do you think that's going to help the situation?
> 
> I didn't call you stupid. I said that you said something stupid. There is a difference. Do you understand?
> 
> (Despite announcing that she would not continue, she did in fact carry on and later wrote me a letter assuring me that the council had not broken any of the things they stole).
> 
> 13:27
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From jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 10:47:55 2008
From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk (jon chapman)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:47:55 +0000
Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008
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worst tickets..................EVER!
 
seetickets hq,2miles from my house,still had to pay 7.40 extra PER TICKET!
 
robbing bastards!
 
 
   

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From bawhitehead at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 10:50:10 2008
From: bawhitehead at gmail.com (Brian Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:50:10 +0100
Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008
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Just a reminder to you very nice people.
I'm still after a downstairs ticket for Friday if you end up with a spare.

Brian.

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From antoni at clara.net  Wed Sep  3 10:55:32 2008
From: antoni at clara.net (pssyche23)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:55:32 +0100
Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008
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And if anyone else has got spares for London, Jel is currently without, for either night ... I suspect he's offline at present ... I saw him on Sunday ... one to KIV ... cheers.
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  Just a reminder to you very nice people.
  I'm still after a downstairs ticket for Friday if you end up with a spare.

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From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:57:29 +0100
Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008
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>PS. Needed to be signed for.

 

Bugger . . I always leave before the postman gets to me and will
probably need to get to Bishops Stortford to pick them up!

 

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Me too !!! :o)

 

PS. Needed to be signed for.

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From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Wed Sep  3 11:52:34 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:52:34 -0700
Subject: [kj] (NKJ) Motorhead Last Night
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You gotta love a band who's frontman states before a single note is played 
"We are Motorhead and we play rock n' fuckin' roll!" and ends the show with 
the same proclamation.

I passed on this weekends' local Motorhead/Heaven and Hell/Judas Priest 
festival tour stop for two big reasons, one being it was at that hellhole 
outdoor pavilion in Devore (California) and the other being that I knew 
Heaven and Hell was playing basically an abbreviated version of the same set 
they've been playing for the last year or so leaving Judas Priest (who I can 
take or leave at this point) likely playing a full show here in a local 
arena in '09 and Motorhead playing a full set in the small Anaheim House of 
Blues tonight. The last time I saw Motorhead in a place that was smaller 
than an arena or outdoor shed was way back in '84 at the Santa Monica Civic 
during their 10th Anniversary tour (with Wendy O' Williams supporting!).

Anyway, I went as late as I figured I could get away with to miss as many of 
the opening bands as possible. I still got there early enough to catch 
"Valient Thorr" which was a kind of an old school speed metal band who all 
looked like good ol' Southern boy refugees from a white trash trailer park. 
It was kinda funny watching a shirtless, bearded, pot bellied frontman who 
makes Zack Wyld look positively urban scream anti-Bush tunes. At least they 
had a bit of a sense of humor even if their set grew old after about 2 
songs.

Motorhead came out just after 10pm and opened with "Dr Rock." Yeah it was 
pretty fuckin' loud and almost amusingly, it seemed like the soundman kept 
cranking up the volume to the point by the 3rd song the PA was feeding back 
at which he eased it back a bit was was good enough for my now deaf hearing. 
They played only two songs (I think) off the just released new album and the 
tunes sound like typical Motorhead, meaning they rock hard as fuck and sound 
like slight variations on their early 80's classics. Although a good number 
of old school classics like "Killed By Death," "Iron Fist" and show ending 
"Overkill" would make any even cursory Motorhead fan happy, they also filled 
the set with somewhat deep cuts (and odd choices depending on one's tastes) 
like "Metropolis," "Going To Brazil" and the epic old b-side "Cause You Got 
The Power." yet not playing anything off (my personal favorite album) of 
"Orgasmatron." One the other hand, one surprise highlight was an excellent 
mid-set cover of Thin Lizzy's "Rosalie" dedicated to Phil Lynott. Another 
highlight was acoustic encore song "Whorehouse Blues" with Lemmy on 
harmonica.

The band itself sounded great. Drummer Micky Dee is one of the best hard 
rock double bass drummers I've ever seen even if he looks like an even 
fatter version of Vince Neil. Guitarist Phil Campbell looks like a guy you'd 
find working on your car in a shitty car shop but he can play like nobody's 
bidness. Lemmy........ well, he's just Lemmy. It doesn't really matter that 
he's getting older 'cause he's always looked pretty rough and as long as he 
still has his long hair and those muttonchops, age ain't gonna do shit to 
him or his gravely voice. On the facial boil report, he's got one on his 
left cheek that's about the size of a normal man's fist now.

The audience was pretty much what you'd expect at a Motorhead show - mostly 
gross metalheads and old school mohawked punks of all ages with a surprising 
amount of women, and quite a few that weren't disgusting pigs. On the 
downside, typical for the Anaheim House of Blues, people violently moshed on 
the floor the entire show no matter what kind of song was played and the 
place was a total sweatbox the entire night. I pretty much stuck to the back 
of the pit about 30 feet from the stage.

Funniest line I heard all night came from a pissed off, slutty looking blond 
bimbo yelling in her boyfriend's ear as they exited the pit; "I don't mind 
someone touching me but I can't stand ugly people grabbing my tits!"

Downside was I was woken up this morning by my pissed off wife who 
discovered a pretty big dent in the rear passenger side of the rental car I 
drove to the show that probably happened in the parking lot when some 
dumbass drunk parked next to me hit the car leaving before I got to the car.

T.B. 


From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  3 12:00:19 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:00:19 -0700
Subject: [kj] My Delightful Downstairs Neighbour OT
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Living in a downstairs apartment, I understand how music 'can' be annoying. Especially at 3am, when you have to get up at 6am. Most people can work around this, and I understand a person's need for tunage.
Tell charlieboy he's slipping into psychosis, and next time your neighbour threatens violence, be prepared and record it..and do the bastard."



 
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From woody2shooz at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 12:00:50 2008
From: woody2shooz at gmail.com (woody2shooz)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:00:50 +0100
Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008
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mine too!!! (looks like the postie signed for them himself...Jon?)

Phillipps Marc wrote:
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> Bugger . . I always leave before the postman gets to me and will 
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From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Wed Sep  3 12:23:38 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:23:38 -0700
Subject: [kj] My Delightful Downstairs Neighbour OT
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"folk devil" wrote:

Living in a downstairs apartment, I understand how music 'can' be annoying. 
Especially at 3am, when you have to get up at 6am. Most people can work 
around this, and I understand a person's need for tunage.
Tell charlieboy he's slipping into psychosis, and next time your neighbour 
threatens violence, be prepared and record it..and do the bastard."

++++++++

Heh, back when I was still living in a pretty big condo and our son was a 
newborn, we had a next door neighbor who was as bad as anyone I could ever 
imagine.

The only common wall was our master bedroom and this guy's living room. 
This fucker was a self-employed gardner who'd do a lot of tree removal jobs. 
His little side-gig hobby was making these huge 4 - 6 foot tall Tiki God 
idol things outta tree stumps using mostly a chain saw to carve them and 
he'd sell them at the local swap meet on weekends.  Problem was, he'd carve 
up these tree stumps in his living room (his floor was a carpet of sawdust). 
With a chain saw.  At night around 2am usually after he'd gotten roaring 
drunk at the corner bar.  So on worknights my wife and I, along with our 
baby would get woken out of a dead sleep with the lovely sound of a chainsaw 
next door.

To make matters worse, this fucknugget would bring all sorts of lowlifes 
over to his place from the bar late at night and party.  It got to the point 
I'd occasionally catch some hung over asshole pissing in the alley behind 
our garage in the morning.  Our pussy landlord wouldn't evict the guy even 
though he was months behind on his rent.  There was a couple confrontations 
where I'd nearly get in fist fights with the guy or one of his buddies and 
the cops would have to be called.  One time, they arrested him for drug 
possesion and we finally just moved out while he was in jail when we bought 
a house.  I'll never fucking live in a condo or apartment where I have to 
deal with someone else's bullshit again.

T.B. 


From fluwdot at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  3 12:25:23 2008
From: fluwdot at earthlink.net (fluw)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:25:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [kj] ot - hospital phone menu
Message-ID: <24880563.1220459123785.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

MENTAL HOSPITAL PHONE MENU

Hello and thank you for calling

The State Mental Hospital.

Please select from the following options menu:

If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.

If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to

press 2 for you.

If you have multiple personalities,

press 3, 4, 5 and 6.

If you are paranoid, we know who you are and

what you want,

stay on the line so we can trace your call.

If you are delusional, press 7 and

your call will be forwarded to the Mother Ship.

If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully

and a little voice will tell You which number to press.

If you are manic-depressive, hang up.

It doesn't matter which number you press,

nothing will make you happy anyway.

If you are dyslexic, press 9-6-9-6.

If you are bipolar, please leave a message after the beep

or before the beep or after the beep.

But Please wait for the beep.

If you have short-term memory loss, press 9.

If you have short-term memory loss, press 9.

If you have short-term memory loss, press 9.

If you have low self-esteem, please hang up.

Our operators are too busy to talk with you.

If you are menopausal, put the gun down,

hang up, turn on the fan, lie down and cry.

You won't be crazy forever.

If you are blonde, don't press any buttons.

You'll just mess it up.

This coming week is

National Mental Health Care week.

You can do your part by remembering

to contact at least

one unstable person to show you care.

(Well, my job is done . Your turn!!)  

From hollytree1961 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  3 12:42:31 2008
From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com (melinda grant)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:42:31 +0100
Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008
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got mine for both nights,very happy ;)
 
milinda



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mine too!!! (looks like the postie signed for them himself...Jon?)Phillipps Marc wrote: 







>PS. Needed to be signed for.
 
Bugger . . I always leave before the postman gets to me and will probably need to get to Bishops Stortford to pick them up!
 




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Me too !!! :o)

 

PS. Needed to be signed for.


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From jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 13:19:12 2008
From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk (jon chapman)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:19:12 +0000
Subject: [kj] KJ in London 2008
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got the tickets without signing for them(even tho they were registered) so i'll be making a claim about tickets not being delivered,from my empolyers! me? do a thing like that?......never.
   

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:00:50 +0100From: woody2shooz at gmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] KJ in London 2008
mine too!!! (looks like the postie signed for them himself...Jon?)Phillipps Marc wrote: 







>PS. Needed to be signed for.
 
Bugger . . I always leave before the postman gets to me and will probably need to get to Bishops Stortford to pick them up!
 




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of pssyche23Sent: 03 September 2008 15:34To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] KJ in London 2008
 

 

Me too !!! :o)

 

PS. Needed to be signed for.


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just received tickets for the Forum from seetickets

 

 

 

 





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From jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 13:21:46 2008
From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk (jon chapman)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:21:46 +0000
Subject: [kj] FW:  KJ in London 2008/hotels
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we still have a spare bed in own 4 bedroomed appartment/shithole so if anyone is stuck,gerrin touch.you will have to put up with me breaking wind with alarming ferrocity,but it is funny! thtas for both nights btw.
 
 
cheers cockers.
   

From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:19:12 +0000Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in London 2008


got the tickets without signing for them(even tho they were registered) so i'll be making a claim about tickets not being delivered,from my empolyers! me? do a thing like that?......never.
   

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:00:50 +0100From: woody2shooz at gmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] KJ in London 2008mine too!!! (looks like the postie signed for them himself...Jon?)Phillipps Marc wrote: 







>PS. Needed to be signed for.
 
Bugger . . I always leave before the postman gets to me and will probably need to get to Bishops Stortford to pick them up!
 




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of pssyche23Sent: 03 September 2008 15:34To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] KJ in London 2008
 

 

Me too !!! :o)

 

PS. Needed to be signed for.


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just received tickets for the Forum from seetickets

 

 

 

 





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From breadfan at cybercom.net  Wed Sep  3 13:30:21 2008
From: breadfan at cybercom.net (breadfan at cybercom.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:30:21 -0400
Subject: [kj] (NKJ) Motorhead Last Night
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TB writes: 

> Motorhead came out just after 10pm and opened with "Dr Rock." 
 <Snippy McSnipSnip>
> Brazil" and the epic old b-side "Cause You Got The Power." yet not playing 
> anything off (my personal favorite album) of "Orgasmatron." 

Erm?  ;) 

Ron

From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Wed Sep  3 13:48:48 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:48:48 -0700
Subject: [kj] (NKJ) Motorhead Last Night
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breadfan at cybercom.net wrote:


> TB writes:
>> Motorhead came out just after 10pm and opened with "Dr Rock."
> <Snippy McSnipSnip>
>> Brazil" and the epic old b-side "Cause You Got The Power." yet not 
>> playing anything off (my personal favorite album) of "Orgasmatron."
>
> Erm?  ;)

Whoops, I forgot Dr Rock was on Orgasmatron.  Never a favorite track, for 
some reason I always think of that track as being on "Rock n' Roll."  I was 
hoping for Orgasmatron and/or Deaf Forever from that album and even "Dogs" 
off the "RnR" album.  "Steal Your Face," and "One To Sing The Blues" would 
have been icing on the cake.

T.B. 


From thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 13:54:32 2008
From: thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk (Steve Hackett)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:54:32 +0100
Subject: [kj] (NKJ) Motorhead Last Night
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I got the new album in the post yesterday..yet another stormer
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To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:52 PM
Subject: [kj] (NKJ) Motorhead Last Night


> You gotta love a band who's frontman states before a single note is played 
> "We are Motorhead and we play rock n' fuckin' roll!" and ends the show 
> with the same proclamation.
>
> I passed on this weekends' local Motorhead/Heaven and Hell/Judas Priest 
> festival tour stop for two big reasons, one being it was at that hellhole 
> outdoor pavilion in Devore (California) and the other being that I knew 
> Heaven and Hell was playing basically an abbreviated version of the same 
> set they've been playing for the last year or so leaving Judas Priest (who 
> I can take or leave at this point) likely playing a full show here in a 
> local arena in '09 and Motorhead playing a full set in the small Anaheim 
> House of Blues tonight. The last time I saw Motorhead in a place that was 
> smaller than an arena or outdoor shed was way back in '84 at the Santa 
> Monica Civic during their 10th Anniversary tour (with Wendy O' Williams 
> supporting!).
>
> Anyway, I went as late as I figured I could get away with to miss as many 
> of the opening bands as possible. I still got there early enough to catch 
> "Valient Thorr" which was a kind of an old school speed metal band who all 
> looked like good ol' Southern boy refugees from a white trash trailer 
> park. It was kinda funny watching a shirtless, bearded, pot bellied 
> frontman who makes Zack Wyld look positively urban scream anti-Bush tunes. 
> At least they had a bit of a sense of humor even if their set grew old 
> after about 2 songs.
>
> Motorhead came out just after 10pm and opened with "Dr Rock." Yeah it was 
> pretty fuckin' loud and almost amusingly, it seemed like the soundman kept 
> cranking up the volume to the point by the 3rd song the PA was feeding 
> back at which he eased it back a bit was was good enough for my now deaf 
> hearing. They played only two songs (I think) off the just released new 
> album and the tunes sound like typical Motorhead, meaning they rock hard 
> as fuck and sound like slight variations on their early 80's classics. 
> Although a good number of old school classics like "Killed By Death," 
> "Iron Fist" and show ending "Overkill" would make any even cursory 
> Motorhead fan happy, they also filled the set with somewhat deep cuts (and 
> odd choices depending on one's tastes) like "Metropolis," "Going To 
> Brazil" and the epic old b-side "Cause You Got The Power." yet not playing 
> anything off (my personal favorite album) of "Orgasmatron." One the other 
> hand, one surprise highlight was an excellent mid-set cover of Thin 
> Lizzy's "Rosalie" dedicated to Phil Lynott. Another highlight was acoustic 
> encore song "Whorehouse Blues" with Lemmy on harmonica.
>
> The band itself sounded great. Drummer Micky Dee is one of the best hard 
> rock double bass drummers I've ever seen even if he looks like an even 
> fatter version of Vince Neil. Guitarist Phil Campbell looks like a guy 
> you'd find working on your car in a shitty car shop but he can play like 
> nobody's bidness. Lemmy........ well, he's just Lemmy. It doesn't really 
> matter that he's getting older 'cause he's always looked pretty rough and 
> as long as he still has his long hair and those muttonchops, age ain't 
> gonna do shit to him or his gravely voice. On the facial boil report, he's 
> got one on his left cheek that's about the size of a normal man's fist 
> now.
>
> The audience was pretty much what you'd expect at a Motorhead show - 
> mostly gross metalheads and old school mohawked punks of all ages with a 
> surprising amount of women, and quite a few that weren't disgusting pigs. 
> On the downside, typical for the Anaheim House of Blues, people violently 
> moshed on the floor the entire show no matter what kind of song was played 
> and the place was a total sweatbox the entire night. I pretty much stuck 
> to the back of the pit about 30 feet from the stage.
>
> Funniest line I heard all night came from a pissed off, slutty looking 
> blond bimbo yelling in her boyfriend's ear as they exited the pit; "I 
> don't mind someone touching me but I can't stand ugly people grabbing my 
> tits!"
>
> Downside was I was woken up this morning by my pissed off wife who 
> discovered a pretty big dent in the rear passenger side of the rental car 
> I drove to the show that probably happened in the parking lot when some 
> dumbass drunk parked next to me hit the car leaving before I got to the 
> car.
>
> T.B.
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From Appocalypsa at seznam.cz  Thu Sep  4 03:12:28 2008
From: Appocalypsa at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Edita=20Hornov=E1?=)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:12:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
Message-ID: <910.11959-14479-2030262014-1220512345@seznam.cz>

Official Statement from the TDARS film co-producers:

# ??
# >
# >
# > Please be advised that The Brat Agency announce their withdrawal as  
# > co-producers of The Death and Resurrection Show documentary. The  
# > decision to withdraw is not taken lightly and is based around some  
# > negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is  
# > uncomfortable working with.
# 
# > This does not involve The Brat Agency's relationship with Jaz  
# > Coleman and Killing Joke. Given we can get some clarity around  
# > these issues The Brat Agency will be more than happy to continue.
# 
# >
# > There is still plenty of work for The Brat Agency to get into and  
# > we hope to work in the future alongside other projects in the Jaz  
# > Coleman/Killing Joke camp.
# >
# >
# >  Cheers,
# >  Carla and Michelle
# >
# >
# >
# >>> Michelle Bakker
# >>> The Brat Agency
# >>> P- 64 21-656 200
# >>> E- michelle at thebratagency.com
# >>>
# >>> www.myspace.com/thebratagency
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>
# >>>>
# >>>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >
# 
# 
# 

From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk  Thu Sep  4 04:22:51 2008
From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:22:51 +0100
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
References: <910.11959-14479-2030262014-1220512345@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <BD60B2A89D16094897629D4CCC50B1CB3A46B1@ED01VN01.NCL-HIS.NHS.UK>

>Negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is # > uncomfortable >working with.

I wonder who the third party is?



-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Edita Hornov?
Sent: 04 September 2008 08:12
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....

Official Statement from the TDARS film co-producers:

# 
# >
# >
# > Please be advised that The Brat Agency announce their withdrawal as  
# > co-producers of The Death and Resurrection Show documentary. The  
# > decision to withdraw is not taken lightly and is based around some  
# > negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is  
# > uncomfortable working with.
# 
# > This does not involve The Brat Agency's relationship with Jaz  
# > Coleman and Killing Joke. Given we can get some clarity around  
# > these issues The Brat Agency will be more than happy to continue.
# 
# >
# > There is still plenty of work for The Brat Agency to get into and  
# > we hope to work in the future alongside other projects in the Jaz  
# > Coleman/Killing Joke camp.
# >
# >
# >  Cheers,
# >  Carla and Michelle
# >
# >
# >
# >>> Michelle Bakker
# >>> The Brat Agency
# >>> P- 64 21-656 200
# >>> E- michelle at thebratagency.com
# >>>
# >>> www.myspace.com/thebratagency
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>
# >>>>
# >>>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >
# 
# 
# 
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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 04:37:18 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:37:18 +0100
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
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some fat shaven slapper who snorts too much coke and lives underneath
an unwashed peeping tom who plays his music loud without regard to
anyone else?

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Phillipps Marc
<Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk> wrote:
.
>
> I wonder who the third party is?
>

-- 
iPat

From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  4 04:51:36 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:51:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
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Message-ID: <106981.33416.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I wonder which of Jaz's personalities** the third party is?? 
?
**or, Atkins??
?

?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk> wrote:

From: Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 1:22 AM

>Negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is # > uncomfortable
>working with.

I wonder who the third party is?



-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Edita Hornov?
Sent: 04 September 2008 08:12
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....

Official Statement from the TDARS film co-producers:

# 
# >
# >
# > Please be advised that The Brat Agency announce their withdrawal as  
# > co-producers of The Death and Resurrection Show documentary. The  
# > decision to withdraw is not taken lightly and is based around some  
# > negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is  
# > uncomfortable working with.
# 
# > This does not involve The Brat Agency's relationship with Jaz  
# > Coleman and Killing Joke. Given we can get some clarity around  
# > these issues The Brat Agency will be more than happy to continue.
# 
# >
# > There is still plenty of work for The Brat Agency to get into and  
# > we hope to work in the future alongside other projects in the Jaz  
# > Coleman/Killing Joke camp.
# >
# >
# >  Cheers,
# >  Carla and Michelle
# >
# >
# >
# >>> Michelle Bakker
# >>> The Brat Agency
# >>> P- 64 21-656 200
# >>> E- michelle at thebratagency.com
# >>>
# >>> www.myspace.com/thebratagency
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
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# >>>>
# >>>
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# >>>
# >>>
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# 
# 
# 
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From jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 05:07:05 2008
From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk (jon chapman)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:07:05 +0000
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
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kinda bad news,but i hope this isnt leading up to some REAL bad news,if you know what i mean!
   

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:51:36 -0700From: saulomar1 at yahoo.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....




I wonder which of Jaz's personalities** the third party is?  
 
**or, Atkins??
 
 
... ... ... ... ... ... 
[looking at the current state of things]
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
   I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk> wrote:
From: Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>Subject: Re: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 1:22 AM>Negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is # > uncomfortable
>working with.

I wonder who the third party is?



-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Edita Hornov?
Sent: 04 September 2008 08:12
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....

Official Statement from the TDARS film co-producers:

# 
# >
# >
# > Please be advised that The Brat Agency announce their withdrawal as  
# > co-producers of The Death and Resurrection Show documentary. The  
# > decision to withdraw is not taken lightly and is based around some  
# > negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is  
# > uncomfortable working with.
# 
# > This does not involve The Brat Agency's relationship with Jaz  
# > Coleman and Killing Joke. Given we can get some clarity around  
# > these issues The Brat Agency will be more than happy to continue.
# 
# >
# > There is still plenty of work for The Brat Agency to get into and  
# > we hope to work in the future alongside other projects in the Jaz  
# > Coleman/Killing Joke camp.
# >
# >
# >  Cheers,
# >  Carla and Michelle
# >
# >
# >
# >>> Michelle Bakker
# >>> The Brat Agency
# >>> P- 64 21-656 200
# >>> E- michelle at thebratagency.com
# >>>
# >>> www.myspace.com/thebratagency
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>
# >>>>
# >>>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >
# 
# 
# 
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From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk  Thu Sep  4 05:38:13 2008
From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:38:13 +0100
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
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>i hope this isnt leading up to some REAL bad news,if you know what i mean!

 

Don't even THINK that! 

 

I picked up my tickets this morning; luckily the postie had left them at the village store 

 

 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jon chapman
Sent: 04 September 2008 10:07
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....

 

kinda bad news,but i hope this isnt leading up to some REAL bad news,if you know what i mean!


 
 
 

 

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:51:36 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....

I wonder which of Jaz's personalities** the third party is?  

 

**or, Atkins??

 


 

... ... ... ... ... ... 


[looking at the current state of things]


'Save me...

  save me from Tomorrow..

   I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   



--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk> wrote:

From: Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 1:22 AM

>Negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is # > uncomfortable
>working with.
 
I wonder who the third party is?
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Edita Hornov?
Sent: 04 September 2008 08:12
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
 
Official Statement from the TDARS film co-producers:
 
# 
# >
# >
# > Please be advised that The Brat Agency announce their withdrawal as  
# > co-producers of The Death and Resurrection Show documentary. The  
# > decision to withdraw is not taken lightly and is based around some  
# > negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is  
# > uncomfortable working with.
# 
# > This does not involve The Brat Agency's relationship with Jaz  
# > Coleman and Killing Joke. Given we can get some clarity around  
# > these issues The Brat Agency will be more than happy to continue.
# 
# >
# > There is still plenty of work for The Brat Agency to get into and  
# > we hope to work in the future alongside other projects in the Jaz  
# > Coleman/Killing Joke camp.
# >
# >
# >  Cheers,
# >  Carla and Michelle
# >
# >
# >
# >>> Michelle Bakker
# >>> The Brat Agency
# >>> P- 64 21-656 200
# >>> E- michelle at thebratagency.com
# >>>
# >>> www.myspace.com/thebratagency
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>
# >>>>
# >>>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >
# 
# 
# 
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Sep  4 06:07:07 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:07:07 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. John Bechdel/AOTW (support)
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Hey John is quoted on Blabber as being in Killing Joke...what's up with that?

> awesome! Burt and John are such sweethearts! I had fun hanging with them
> the last Ministry tour :)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: vaio719 <vaio719 at livedoor.com>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 1, 2008 7:34:00 AM
> Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. John Bechdel/AOTW (support)
>
> FEAR FACTORY Singer's ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS Schedules U.S., European
> Dates - Aug. 31, 2008
> http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=103821
>
>
>>ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS, the band featuring FEAR FACTORY frontman
>> Burton C. Bell and John Bechdel (MINISTRY, KILLING JOKE, FALSE ICONS),
>> has scheduled the following dates:
>
> U.S.:
> Oct. 11 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING JOKE)
> Oct. 12 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING JOKE)
> Oct. 14 - House Of Blues - Chicago, IL (w/ KILLING JOKE)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ascension of The Watchers feat. John Bechdel
> http://www.myspace.com/aotw
>
>
> Good Luck Mr. John Bechdel.
>
>
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Sep  4 06:48:10 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:48:10 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] (NKJ) Motorhead Last Night
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It was kinda funny watching a shirtless, bearded, pot bellied frontman who
makes Zack Wyld look positively urban scream anti-Bush tunes

LOL :)

> You gotta love a band who's frontman states before a single note is played
> "We are Motorhead and we play rock n' fuckin' roll!" and ends the show
> with
> the same proclamation.
>
> I passed on this weekends' local Motorhead/Heaven and Hell/Judas Priest
> festival tour stop for two big reasons, one being it was at that hellhole
> outdoor pavilion in Devore (California) and the other being that I knew
> Heaven and Hell was playing basically an abbreviated version of the same
> set
> they've been playing for the last year or so leaving Judas Priest (who I
> can
> take or leave at this point) likely playing a full show here in a local
> arena in '09 and Motorhead playing a full set in the small Anaheim House
> of
> Blues tonight. The last time I saw Motorhead in a place that was smaller
> than an arena or outdoor shed was way back in '84 at the Santa Monica
> Civic
> during their 10th Anniversary tour (with Wendy O' Williams supporting!).
>
> Anyway, I went as late as I figured I could get away with to miss as many
> of
> the opening bands as possible. I still got there early enough to catch
> "Valient Thorr" which was a kind of an old school speed metal band who all
> looked like good ol' Southern boy refugees from a white trash trailer
> park.
> It was kinda funny watching a shirtless, bearded, pot bellied frontman who
> makes Zack Wyld look positively urban scream anti-Bush tunes. At least
> they
> had a bit of a sense of humor even if their set grew old after about 2
> songs.
>
> Motorhead came out just after 10pm and opened with "Dr Rock." Yeah it was
> pretty fuckin' loud and almost amusingly, it seemed like the soundman kept
> cranking up the volume to the point by the 3rd song the PA was feeding
> back
> at which he eased it back a bit was was good enough for my now deaf
> hearing.
> They played only two songs (I think) off the just released new album and
> the
> tunes sound like typical Motorhead, meaning they rock hard as fuck and
> sound
> like slight variations on their early 80's classics. Although a good
> number
> of old school classics like "Killed By Death," "Iron Fist" and show ending
> "Overkill" would make any even cursory Motorhead fan happy, they also
> filled
> the set with somewhat deep cuts (and odd choices depending on one's
> tastes)
> like "Metropolis," "Going To Brazil" and the epic old b-side "Cause You
> Got
> The Power." yet not playing anything off (my personal favorite album) of
> "Orgasmatron." One the other hand, one surprise highlight was an excellent
> mid-set cover of Thin Lizzy's "Rosalie" dedicated to Phil Lynott. Another
> highlight was acoustic encore song "Whorehouse Blues" with Lemmy on
> harmonica.
>
> The band itself sounded great. Drummer Micky Dee is one of the best hard
> rock double bass drummers I've ever seen even if he looks like an even
> fatter version of Vince Neil. Guitarist Phil Campbell looks like a guy
> you'd
> find working on your car in a shitty car shop but he can play like
> nobody's
> bidness. Lemmy........ well, he's just Lemmy. It doesn't really matter
> that
> he's getting older 'cause he's always looked pretty rough and as long as
> he
> still has his long hair and those muttonchops, age ain't gonna do shit to
> him or his gravely voice. On the facial boil report, he's got one on his
> left cheek that's about the size of a normal man's fist now.
>
> The audience was pretty much what you'd expect at a Motorhead show -
> mostly
> gross metalheads and old school mohawked punks of all ages with a
> surprising
> amount of women, and quite a few that weren't disgusting pigs. On the
> downside, typical for the Anaheim House of Blues, people violently moshed
> on
> the floor the entire show no matter what kind of song was played and the
> place was a total sweatbox the entire night. I pretty much stuck to the
> back
> of the pit about 30 feet from the stage.
>
> Funniest line I heard all night came from a pissed off, slutty looking
> blond
> bimbo yelling in her boyfriend's ear as they exited the pit; "I don't mind
> someone touching me but I can't stand ugly people grabbing my tits!"
>
> Downside was I was woken up this morning by my pissed off wife who
> discovered a pretty big dent in the rear passenger side of the rental car
> I
> drove to the show that probably happened in the parking lot when some
> dumbass drunk parked next to me hit the car leaving before I got to the
> car.
>
> T.B.
>
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  4 06:51:11 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:51:11 -0400
Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. John Bechdel/AOTW (support)
In-Reply-To: <2399.59.167.234.145.1220522827.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
References: <935040.7411.qm@web57313.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <3B2256E7-6107-467A-A877-1147871A9E4D@earthlink.net>


He played keyboards for them for a time (and Murder Inc. and Prong).

Alex in NYC


On Sep 4, 2008, at 6:07 AM, Brendan wrote:

> Hey John is quoted on Blabber as being in Killing Joke...what's up  
> with that?
>
>> awesome! Burt and John are such sweethearts! I had fun hanging with  
>> them
>> the last Ministry tour :)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: vaio719 <vaio719 at livedoor.com>
>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Sent: Monday, September 1, 2008 7:34:00 AM
>> Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. John Bechdel/AOTW (support)
>>
>> FEAR FACTORY Singer's ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS Schedules U.S.,  
>> European
>> Dates - Aug. 31, 2008
>> http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=103821
>>
>>
>>> ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS, the band featuring FEAR FACTORY frontman
>>> Burton C. Bell and John Bechdel (MINISTRY, KILLING JOKE, FALSE  
>>> ICONS),
>>> has scheduled the following dates:
>>
>> U.S.:
>> Oct. 11 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING  
>> JOKE)
>> Oct. 12 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING  
>> JOKE)
>> Oct. 14 - House Of Blues - Chicago, IL (w/ KILLING JOKE)
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Ascension of The Watchers feat. John Bechdel
>> http://www.myspace.com/aotw
>>
>>
>> Good Luck Mr. John Bechdel.
>>
>>
>>      _______________________________________________
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Sep  4 06:59:59 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:59:59 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. John Bechdel/AOTW (support)
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Aahhh...cheers.

>
> He played keyboards for them for a time (and Murder Inc. and Prong).
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2008, at 6:07 AM, Brendan wrote:
>
>> Hey John is quoted on Blabber as being in Killing Joke...what's up
>> with that?
>>
>>> awesome! Burt and John are such sweethearts! I had fun hanging with
>>> them
>>> the last Ministry tour :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: vaio719 <vaio719 at livedoor.com>
>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 1, 2008 7:34:00 AM
>>> Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. John Bechdel/AOTW (support)
>>>
>>> FEAR FACTORY Singer's ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS Schedules U.S.,
>>> European
>>> Dates - Aug. 31, 2008
>>> http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=103821
>>>
>>>
>>>> ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS, the band featuring FEAR FACTORY frontman
>>>> Burton C. Bell and John Bechdel (MINISTRY, KILLING JOKE, FALSE
>>>> ICONS),
>>>> has scheduled the following dates:
>>>
>>> U.S.:
>>> Oct. 11 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING
>>> JOKE)
>>> Oct. 12 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING
>>> JOKE)
>>> Oct. 14 - House Of Blues - Chicago, IL (w/ KILLING JOKE)
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Ascension of The Watchers feat. John Bechdel
>>> http://www.myspace.com/aotw
>>>
>>>
>>> Good Luck Mr. John Bechdel.
>>>
>>>
>>>      _______________________________________________
>>> Gathering mailing list
>>> Gathering at misera.net
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>>
>>
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From woody2shooz at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 16:09:19 2008
From: woody2shooz at gmail.com (woody2shooz)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:09:19 +0100
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
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i had a third party once
that was more than sixteen years ago, mind

Phillipps Marc wrote:
>> Negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is # > uncomfortable >working with.
>>     
>
> I wonder who the third party is?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Edita Hornov?
> Sent: 04 September 2008 08:12
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
>
> Official Statement from the TDARS film co-producers:
>
> # 
> # >
> # >
> # > Please be advised that The Brat Agency announce their withdrawal as  
> # > co-producers of The Death and Resurrection Show documentary. The  
> # > decision to withdraw is not taken lightly and is based around some  
> # > negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is  
> # > uncomfortable working with.
> # 
> # > This does not involve The Brat Agency's relationship with Jaz  
> # > Coleman and Killing Joke. Given we can get some clarity around  
> # > these issues The Brat Agency will be more than happy to continue.
> # 
> # >
> # > There is still plenty of work for The Brat Agency to get into and  
> # > we hope to work in the future alongside other projects in the Jaz  
> # > Coleman/Killing Joke camp.
> # >
> # >
> # >  Cheers,
> # >  Carla and Michelle
> # >
> # >
> # >
> # >>> Michelle Bakker
> # >>> The Brat Agency
> # >>> P- 64 21-656 200
> # >>> E- michelle at thebratagency.com
> # >>>
> # >>> www.myspace.com/thebratagency
> # >>>
> # >>>
> # >>>
> # >>
> # >>>>
> # >>>>
> # >>>
> # >>>
> # >>>
> # >>>
> # >
> # 
> # 
> # 
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep  4 19:43:05 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:43:05 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT: Odd TV clip from 2008 U.S. Republican convention
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLJx2vJdlJQ



I bet you won't see this anywhere else. ;)

-Oliver

From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  4 20:17:39 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:17:39 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT: Odd TV clip from 2008 U.S. Republican convention
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yep that kind of sums it up. ;)
nice one, ollie.
"> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:43:05 -0500> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] OT: Odd TV clip from 2008 U.S. Republican convention> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLJx2vJdlJQ> > > > I bet you won't see this anywhere else. ;)> > -Oliver> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Thu Sep  4 20:38:33 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:38:33 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
In-Reply-To: <48C0406F.6030505@gmail.com>
References: <910.11959-14479-2030262014-1220512345@seznam.cz>
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I could never be a party to that...I remain a disinterested party at all
times.

> i had a third party once
> that was more than sixteen years ago, mind
>
> Phillipps Marc wrote:
>>> Negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is # >
>>> uncomfortable >working with.
>>>
>>
>> I wonder who the third party is?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
>> On Behalf Of Edita Hornov??
>> Sent: 04 September 2008 08:12
>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>> Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
>>
>> Official Statement from the TDARS film co-producers:
>>
>> #
>> # >
>> # >
>> # > Please be advised that The Brat Agency announce their withdrawal as
>> # > co-producers of The Death and Resurrection Show documentary. The
>> # > decision to withdraw is not taken lightly and is based around some
>> # > negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is
>> # > uncomfortable working with.
>> #
>> # > This does not involve The Brat Agency's relationship with Jaz
>> # > Coleman and Killing Joke. Given we can get some clarity around
>> # > these issues The Brat Agency will be more than happy to continue.
>> #
>> # >
>> # > There is still plenty of work for The Brat Agency to get into and
>> # > we hope to work in the future alongside other projects in the Jaz
>> # > Coleman/Killing Joke camp.
>> # >
>> # >
>> # >  Cheers,
>> # >  Carla and Michelle
>> # >
>> # >
>> # >
>> # >>> Michelle Bakker
>> # >>> The Brat Agency
>> # >>> P- 64 21-656 200
>> # >>> E- michelle at thebratagency.com
>> # >>>
>> # >>> www.myspace.com/thebratagency
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>
>> # >>>>
>> # >>>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >
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From vaio719 at livedoor.com  Fri Sep  5 02:27:57 2008
From: vaio719 at livedoor.com (vaio719)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:27:57 +0900
Subject: [kj] The Japan Times Online
Message-ID: <91476d3f0809042327x16991d89vce5c8eb672d1d1fc@mail.gmail.com>

Killing Joke | The Japan Times Online
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fm20080905l1.html


9.11-12 = (JP) Tokyo, Duo
http://www.creativeman.co.jp/FRONTpages/english.html
http://www.duomusicexchange.com/
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From vaio719 at livedoor.com  Fri Sep  5 05:24:45 2008
From: vaio719 at livedoor.com (vaio719)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:24:45 +0900
Subject: [kj] KJ2008 vs. Sun Paulo (support)
Message-ID: <91476d3f0809050224u5239f042w8986c81db6fa0dd9@mail.gmail.com>

2008.09.12 - (JP) Tokyo, Duo
http://www.creativeman.co.jp/FRONTpages/english.html
http://www.duomusicexchange.com/

Sun Paulo:
http://www.maliciousdamage.biz/sun.html
http://www.myspace.com/sunpaulo
http://sunpaulo.com/

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the sun paulo: electric wisdom sound system
http://www.maliciousdamage.biz/shop/product_info.php?products_id=143

order now.
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep  5 05:28:19 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:28:19 -0500
Subject: [kj] Amazing,
	no-holds-barred "This Comp. Kils Fascists" from Relapse!
Message-ID: <48C0FBB3.6060200@sbcglobal.net>

http://relapse.com/myspace/comp/comp_head.jpg

$12 before shipping, there.


Almost US $15 at Amazon also before shipping:

http://relapse.com/myspace/comp/comp_head.jpg

So glad Relapse has cranked this out!

-Oliver

From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Fri Sep  5 05:32:37 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:32:37 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2FD@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

Hi Peeps,

 

I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.

 

Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want to
start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!

 

Cheers,

Janean

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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 05:34:56 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:34:56 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
In-Reply-To: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2FD@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2FD@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
Message-ID: <1646350c0809050234h911484fy56fa0d0e6d9cd8bc@mail.gmail.com>

gmail allows you filters so it can be organised very well
topics gets grouped together so you stay in thread!
everything has its ups and downs but this seems the best ive used so far.
ill send you an invite so you can try it. Hey its free although is
anything free?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Janean Lancaster
<Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Peeps,
>
>
>
> I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.
>

From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Fri Sep  5 05:35:02 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:35:02 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
In-Reply-To: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2FD@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.intern
	al>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2FD@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
Message-ID: <62846.203.210.68.145.1220607302.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

If you want to use it at work make sure it's one you can access through
the company system, test it out first. Other than that the limits these
days are crazy, Gmail is at least 2GB, hotmail is 5 last time I checked
but I don't like Micro$oft.

I'd recommend Google (gmail), only real company that can keep Microsoft in
check...their anti-spam is good too. They also offer loads of other
services on top of gmail...

> Hi Peeps,
>
>
>
> I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.
>
>
>
> Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
> Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want to
> start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Janean
>
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From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk  Fri Sep  5 05:45:02 2008
From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:45:02 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2FD@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
Message-ID: <BD60B2A89D16094897629D4CCC50B1CB3A46B8@ED01VN01.NCL-HIS.NHS.UK>

>Which free web based email would you recommend? 

 

I have been with Gmail from the start and never had any problems with
them, the space and filters are good and there are a lot of things you
can do with the account (POP forwarding etc)

 

 

 

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Janean Lancaster
Sent: 05 September 2008 10:33
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?

 

Hi Peeps,

 

I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.

 

Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want to
start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!

 

Cheers,

Janean
 
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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Fri Sep  5 06:17:53 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:17:53 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2FF@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

Well, that's 3 for Gmail; I'll give it a whirl.

 

Thanks.

 

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc
Sent: 05 September 2008 10:45
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: which free webmail?

 

>Which free web based email would you recommend? 

 

I have been with Gmail from the start and never had any problems with
them, the space and filters are good and there are a lot of things you
can do with the account (POP forwarding etc)

 

 

 

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Janean Lancaster
Sent: 05 September 2008 10:33
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?

 

Hi Peeps,

 

I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.

 

Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want to
start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!

 

Cheers,

Janean

 

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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 06:24:33 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:24:33 +0000
Subject: [kj] Where's Killing Joke ?
Message-ID: <BLU108-W91D75F1B812C9A2749DBDBE580@phx.gbl>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdLNjmMBUUQ
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From Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk  Fri Sep  5 06:27:32 2008
From: Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:27:32 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
Message-ID: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D301@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>

Well, I didn't think people would already have my preferred username!

 

ChoonyFish is not available... choonyfish is not available...
Choony.Fish is not available

 

How odd. Why would anyone else want that?  Wonder how they thought of
it?

 

 

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc
Sent: 05 September 2008 10:45
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: which free webmail?

 

>Which free web based email would you recommend? 

 

I have been with Gmail from the start and never had any problems with
them, the space and filters are good and there are a lot of things you
can do with the account (POP forwarding etc)

 

 

 

________________________________

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Janean Lancaster
Sent: 05 September 2008 10:33
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?

 

Hi Peeps,

 

I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.

 

Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want to
start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!

 

Cheers,

Janean

 

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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 06:31:07 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:31:07 +0000
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
Message-ID: <BLU108-W22E28E5D5BE625646544B3BE580@phx.gbl>


Am I missing the point ?
Isn't it just Gardening under a different name ?
People who feel that having an allotment isn't cool, so they call it Permaculture.
Its just the growing of vegetables under a fancy name
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 06:36:30 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:36:30 +0000
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
Message-ID: <BLU108-W31F7AA54BF701B9D512A45BE580@phx.gbl>


If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through headphones ?
Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music .
  Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .
 
 
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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 06:49:06 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:49:06 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W31F7AA54BF701B9D512A45BE580@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU108-W31F7AA54BF701B9D512A45BE580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1646350c0809050349kfd3fdf0ybb6ada7340109dd4@mail.gmail.com>

or putting dogs turd through their letter box....

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:36 AM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:

>   Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if
> they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .

From gasw30 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  5 06:50:55 2008
From: gasw30 at hotmail.com (nicholas fitzpatrick)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:50:55 +0000
Subject: [kj] OT: Music and personality
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W31F7AA54BF701B9D512A45BE580@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU108-W31F7AA54BF701B9D512A45BE580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W507BBEB83764934B764BACE580@phx.gbl>


Going by this study published on the BBC, most of us here are probably not hardworking (Indie fans) and have low self-esteem (metal fans). But we have our qualities too!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7598549.stm

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From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk  Fri Sep  5 06:52:11 2008
From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:52:11 +0100
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
References: <BLU108-W22E28E5D5BE625646544B3BE580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BD60B2A89D16094897629D4CCC50B1CB3A46BE@ED01VN01.NCL-HIS.NHS.UK>

It is a little more than just gardening, it also looks to sustainability
etc 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture

 

 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of fluke fluke
Sent: 05 September 2008 11:31
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........

 

Am I missing the point ?
Isn't it just Gardening under a different name ?
People who feel that having an allotment isn't cool, so they call it
Permaculture.
Its just the growing of vegetables under a fancy name

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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 06:53:28 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:53:28 +0100
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W22E28E5D5BE625646544B3BE580@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU108-W22E28E5D5BE625646544B3BE580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1646350c0809050353v2628b497o2cbb66d692d5a8d3@mail.gmail.com>

apparently not:
"The solution from a permaculture perspective is to introduce design
into agriculture in order to create permanent high-yielding
agricultural ecosystems, so that humans can thrive on as little land
as possible, thus leaving as much land as possible as wilderness, if
necessary helping the wilderness re-establish itself. This visionary
global mission is encapsulated in the word 'permaculture', a shortened
form of 'permanent agriculture'."

lets face it, with growing fuel costs, the move towards gm crops and
monopolies in distribution, diy is a great thing. For some its a
cause, for some its a necessity.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:31 AM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
> Am I missing the point ?
> Isn't it just Gardening under a different name ?
> People who feel that having an allotment isn't cool, so they call it
> Permaculture.
> Its just the growing of vegetables under a fancy name
>

From pmdavies at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 06:55:08 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:55:08 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Music and personality
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W507BBEB83764934B764BACE580@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU108-W31F7AA54BF701B9D512A45BE580@phx.gbl>
	<BAY123-W507BBEB83764934B764BACE580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1646350c0809050355g56011753p87bbcc85a4f085b1@mail.gmail.com>

load of bollx
who paid them to do that shite?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:50 AM, nicholas fitzpatrick
<gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Going by this study published on the BBC, most of us here are probably not hardworking (Indie fans) and have low self-esteem (metal fans). But we have our qualities too!
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7598549.stm

From pmdavies at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 06:56:26 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:56:26 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
In-Reply-To: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D301@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D301@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
Message-ID: <1646350c0809050356s6d3e3d55v5104d3608b035411@mail.gmail.com>

comforting to you that you are not alone
frightening to the rest of us   ; )

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Janean Lancaster
<Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> wrote:

> ChoonyFish is not available? choonyfish is not available?  Choony.Fish is
> not available

>
> How odd. Why would anyone else want that?  Wonder how they thought of it?

From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 07:04:23 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:04:23 +0000
Subject: [kj] Where's Killing Joke ?
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W91D75F1B812C9A2749DBDBE580@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU108-W91D75F1B812C9A2749DBDBE580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU108-W9FA5DB4D2F843782FF005BE580@phx.gbl>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdLNjmMBUUQ
 
 
 
 
  Can anyone name all the songs ? 
Starts off with Pink Floyd, David Bowie soon after .
Where's the Killing Joke song though , its advertised as being in there .
 
 
 



From: fluke1 at live.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:24:33 +0000Subject: [kj] Where's Killing Joke ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdLNjmMBUUQ



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From powens at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 07:04:37 2008
From: powens at gmail.com (powens)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:04:37 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
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Gmail doesn't distinguish between upper and lower case and doesn't recognise
full stops. so ChoonyFish, choonyfish and Chooney.Fish are all the same
email address. Are you sure you didn't register it and then forget?


2008/9/5 iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>

> comforting to you that you are not alone
> frightening to the rest of us   ; )
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Janean Lancaster
> <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > ChoonyFish is not available? choonyfish is not available?  Choony.Fish is
> > not available
>
> >
> > How odd. Why would anyone else want that?  Wonder how they thought of it?
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 07:11:54 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:11:54 +0000
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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  Is it part of some peoples desire to go back to a primitive existence ?
Living in tents, tree houses or caves and  drinking rain water ?
 
 
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:53:28 +0100> From: pmdavies at gmail.com> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > apparently not:> "The solution from a permaculture perspective is to introduce design> into agriculture in order to create permanent high-yielding> agricultural ecosystems, so that humans can thrive on as little land> as possible, thus leaving as much land as possible as wilderness, if> necessary helping the wilderness re-establish itself. This visionary> global mission is encapsulated in the word 'permaculture', a shortened> form of 'permanent agriculture'."> > lets face it, with growing fuel costs, the move towards gm crops and> monopolies in distribution, diy is a great thing. For some its a> cause, for some its a necessity.> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:31 AM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> > Am I missing the point ?> > Isn't it just Gardening under a different name ?> > People who feel that having an allotment isn't cool, so they call it> > Permaculture.> > Its just the growing of vegetables under a fancy name> >> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 07:20:30 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:20:30 +0100
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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no, i dont think primitive, sustainable without being slaves to big
corporations - gas electric etc
they still play music (at reasonable volumes) etc

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:11 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>   Is it part of some peoples desire to go back to a primitive existence ?
> Living in tents, tree houses or caves and  drinking rain water ?

From jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 07:20:47 2008
From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk (jon chapman)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:20:47 +0000
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
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References: <910.11959-14479-2030262014-1220512345@seznam.cz>
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i had a third party aswell woody - i was three.
   

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:09:19 +0100From: woody2shooz at gmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
i had a third party oncethat was more than sixteen years ago, mindPhillipps Marc wrote: 

Negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is # > uncomfortable >working with.
    I wonder who the third party is?



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Sent: 04 September 2008 08:12
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....

Official Statement from the TDARS film co-producers:

# 
# >
# >
# > Please be advised that The Brat Agency announce their withdrawal as  
# > co-producers of The Death and Resurrection Show documentary. The  
# > decision to withdraw is not taken lightly and is based around some  
# > negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is  
# > uncomfortable working with.
# 
# > This does not involve The Brat Agency's relationship with Jaz  
# > Coleman and Killing Joke. Given we can get some clarity around  
# > these issues The Brat Agency will be more than happy to continue.
# 
# >
# > There is still plenty of work for The Brat Agency to get into and  
# > we hope to work in the future alongside other projects in the Jaz  
# > Coleman/Killing Joke camp.
# >
# >
# >  Cheers,
# >  Carla and Michelle
# >
# >
# >
# >>> Michelle Bakker
# >>> The Brat Agency
# >>> P- 64 21-656 200
# >>> E- michelle at thebratagency.com
# >>>
# >>> www.myspace.com/thebratagency
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>
# >>>>
# >>>>
# >>>
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From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:30:07 +0000
Subject: [kj] 80's.................I'm living for the 80's   :-)
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From Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk  Fri Sep  5 07:38:42 2008
From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk (Phillipps Marc)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:38:42 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
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>Are you sure you didn't register it and then forget?

 

I have done this many times . . . I have about four Gmail accounts that
I have no idea of the password for (and are linked to obsolete email
addresses so I can't even request a reminder!)

 

Anyway, welcome back Janean . . I see you managed to find an unused
address :-) 

 

 

 

Marc. 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of powens
Sent: 05 September 2008 12:05
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: which free webmail?

 

Gmail doesn't distinguish between upper and lower case and doesn't
recognise full stops. so ChoonyFish, choonyfish and Chooney.Fish are all
the same email address. Are you sure you didn't register it and then
forget?



2008/9/5 iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>

comforting to you that you are not alone
frightening to the rest of us   ; )

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Janean Lancaster
<Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> wrote:

> ChoonyFish is not available... choonyfish is not available...
Choony.Fish is
> not available

>
> How odd. Why would anyone else want that?  Wonder how they thought of
it?
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From janean.lancaster at googlemail.com  Fri Sep  5 09:09:21 2008
From: janean.lancaster at googlemail.com (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:09:21 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
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Hmm.  Might have done.  Certainly don't remember doing it!





On 05/09/2008, powens <powens at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gmail doesn't distinguish between upper and lower case and doesn't
> recognise full stops. so ChoonyFish, choonyfish and Chooney.Fish are all the
> same email address. Are you sure you didn't register it and then forget?
>
>
> 2008/9/5 iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>
>
>> comforting to you that you are not alone
>> frightening to the rest of us   ; )
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Janean Lancaster
>> <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > ChoonyFish is not available? choonyfish is not available?  Choony.Fish
>> is
>> > not available
>>
>> >
>> > How odd. Why would anyone else want that?  Wonder how they thought of
>> it?
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From bbarathy at btinternet.com  Fri Sep  5 09:28:24 2008
From: bbarathy at btinternet.com (Bob Barathy)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:28:24 +0100
Subject: [kj] Where's Killing Joke ?
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W9FA5DB4D2F843782FF005BE580@phx.gbl>
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'Man watching video' ;-)



    Can anyone name all the songs ?
  Starts off with Pink Floyd, David Bowie soon after .
  Where's the Killing Joke song though , its advertised as being in there .






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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdLNjmMBUUQ


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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Fri Sep  5 10:19:23 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:19:23 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
In-Reply-To: <62846.203.210.68.145.1220607302.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
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But who keeps Google in check?

At 05:35 AM 9/5/2008, Brendan wrote:
>If you want to use it at work make sure it's one you can access through
>the company system, test it out first. Other than that the limits these
>days are crazy, Gmail is at least 2GB, hotmail is 5 last time I checked
>but I don't like Micro$oft.
>
>I'd recommend Google (gmail), only real company that can keep Microsoft in
>check...their anti-spam is good too. They also offer loads of other
>services on top of gmail...
>
> > Hi Peeps,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.
> >
> >
> >
> > Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
> > Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want to
> > start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Janean
> >
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We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
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From janean.lancaster at googlemail.com  Fri Sep  5 10:20:18 2008
From: janean.lancaster at googlemail.com (Janean Lancaster)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:20:18 +0100
Subject: [kj] Fwd:  OT: which free webmail?
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Are Google and Yahoo the same thing now?

I signed up for Yahoo Mail yonks ago but didn't really use it (with
ChoonyFish name).  I'm trying to add my new Google email address onto Yahoo
Groups but it's telling me I'm already logged in as someone else...

How confusing.



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Date: 5 Sep 2008 14:09
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net
>



Hmm.  Might have done.  Certainly don't remember doing it!





On 05/09/2008, powens <powens at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gmail doesn't distinguish between upper and lower case and doesn't
> recognise full stops. so ChoonyFish, choonyfish and Chooney.Fish are all the
> same email address. Are you sure you didn't register it and then forget?
>
>
> 2008/9/5 iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>
>
>> comforting to you that you are not alone
>> frightening to the rest of us   ; )
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Janean Lancaster
>> <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > ChoonyFish is not available? choonyfish is not available?  Choony.Fish
>> is
>> > not available
>>
>> >
>> > How odd. Why would anyone else want that?  Wonder how they thought of
>> it?
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From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 10:42:35 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
References: <BLU108-W31F7AA54BF701B9D512A45BE580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012401c90f65$a29fe070$0200000a@jo>

What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself a deprivision tank?'
Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own way.
Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.  Fuck that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the chance and they're given way too much power these days.
We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're getting tacked up for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us. The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and yells at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every opportunity.
Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social intolerances.





  If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through headphones ?
  Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music .
    Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .
   
   


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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 11:28:25 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:28:25 +0000
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?
You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if that were the case, then the other guy wouldn't be acting the way that he is . 
   The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just for ten minutes a  day .
Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse other people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal neurosis " and you say that this is the reason as to why they complain .     They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis , they are complaining because the music is annoying . It is irresponsible and anti social to subject your neighbours to such an extent that they have to take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .
    It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .
 
 
 




From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........



What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself a deprivision tank?'
Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own way.
Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.  Fuck that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the chance and they're given way too much power these days.
We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're getting tacked up for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us. The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and yells at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every opportunity.
Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social intolerances.
 
 
 

If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through headphones ?Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music .  Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .  

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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  5 11:51:14 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:51:14 -0700
Subject: [kj] Where's Killing Joke ?
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the wait. for about 5 seconds.
"



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'Man watching video' ;-)
    Can anyone name all the songs ? Starts off with Pink Floyd, David Bowie soon after .Where's the Killing Joke song though , its advertised as being in there .   

From: fluke1 at live.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:24:33 +0000Subject: [kj] Where's Killing Joke ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdLNjmMBUUQ

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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 11:56:41 2008
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:56:41 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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plenty of dog poo for the letterbox though

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
> You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?
> Y

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:09:50 +0000
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   Taking action like that is hardly going to solve anything and it would just probably lead to further retribution. 
  It would just exacerbate the situation
 
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:56:41 +0100> From: pmdavies at gmail.com> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........> > plenty of dog poo for the letterbox though> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> > You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?> > Y> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 12:13:27 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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Bollocks!
Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his methods of social control include using explosives because the authorities have told him that there isn't an issue in the sane world.  I'm considering (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he continues to use such threatening behaviour.  
There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of noisephobics.  The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason.  Those who can't cope with that joie de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over others.  It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
If their personal problems are really that big then they should live in their own village.
Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' sons drumming et al, either that or work on my tolerance levels.  Let people living their lives and having fun be.  
Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol



  You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?
  You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if that were the case, then the other guy wouldn't be acting the way that he is . 
     The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just for ten minutes a  day .
  Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse other people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal neurosis " and you say that this is the reason as to why they complain . 
      They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis , they are complaining because the music is annoying . It is irresponsible and anti social to subject your neighbours to such an extent that they have to take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .
      It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .
   
   
   



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  Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
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  What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself a deprivision tank?'
  Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own way.
  Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.  Fuck that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the chance and they're given way too much power these days.
  We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're getting tacked up for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us. The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and yells at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every opportunity.
  Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social intolerances.





    If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through headphones ?
    Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music .
      Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .
     
     


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From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 12:19:08 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:19:08 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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> plenty of dog poo for the letterbox though
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More likely to be human shit - well, unless he decides to climb into 
peoples' gardens to steal the canine variety. 


From karen.weil at sddt.com  Fri Sep  5 13:09:16 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:09:16 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT: Odd TV clip from 2008 U.S. Republican convention
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Quick --someone tell Sarah Palin!  ; )

Thanks, Oliver.

Karen
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLJx2vJdlJQ
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> I bet you won't see this anywhere else. ;)
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 13:31:30 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:31:30 +0000
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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"Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason."
 
 
 
Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means make as much noise as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
   
 
 
 
 



From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........



Bollocks!
Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his methods of social control include using explosives because the authorities have told him that there isn't an issue in the sane world.  I'm considering (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he continues to use such threatening behaviour.  
There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of noisephobics.  The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason.  Those who can't cope with that joie de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over others.  It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
If their personal problems are really that big then they should live in their own village.
Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' sons drumming et al, either that or work on my tolerance levels.  Let people living their lives and having fun be.  
Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol
 

You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if that were the case, then the other guy wouldn't be acting the way that he is .    The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just for ten minutes a  day .Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse other people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal neurosis " and you say that this is the reason as to why they complain .     They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis , they are complaining because the music is annoying . It is irresponsible and anti social to subject your neighbours to such an extent that they have to take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .    It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .   

From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........


What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself a deprivision tank?'
Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own way.
Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.  Fuck that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the chance and they're given way too much power these days.
We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're getting tacked up for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us. The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and yells at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every opportunity.
Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social intolerances.
 
 
 

If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through headphones ?Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music .  Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .  

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From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:32:45 +0000
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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     Jo, you sound like an Anarcho punk
 
 
> From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:19:08 +0100> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........> > > > > > plenty of dog poo for the letterbox though> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> > More likely to be human shit - well, unless he decides to climb into > peoples' gardens to steal the canine variety. > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 13:54:25 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:54:25 +0000
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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And where do they get the electric from to play the music ? 
>From a small independent supplier ?
 
 
 
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:20:30 +0100> From: pmdavies at gmail.com> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > no, i dont think primitive, sustainable without being slaves to big> corporations - gas electric etc> they still play music (at reasonable volumes) etc> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:11 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> >> >> > Is it part of some peoples desire to go back to a primitive existence ?> > Living in tents, tree houses or caves and drinking rain water ?> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:10:54 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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  Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
  Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means make as much noise as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
     
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  Naaaa this is where the noise complaintee becomes poised to be a public nuisance.
  For one - the assumption that I'm making loads of racket.  I like peace and quiet too.  Sometimes the neighbours don't feel the same way at the same time but hey, if I can't cope with kids joyfully squealing on their trampoline to Cotton Eye Joe full blast then I have to deal with it.  Why shouldn't they have their quota of fun?
  Consideration?  Consider that silence is offensive to some of us as much as noise is to others. That is, it's as naughty to make noise as it is to be silent. 
  We're a long time dead.
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  5 14:11:16 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:11:16 -0700
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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quite easily, through numerous ways.
here's one:
http://www.infodrom.north.de/~joey/Greenpeace/cyrus-solar.html
 
 



From: fluke1 at live.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:54:25 +0000Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........


And where do they get the electric from to play the music ? >From a small independent supplier ?   > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:20:30 +0100> From: pmdavies at gmail.com> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > no, i dont think primitive, sustainable without being slaves to big> corporations - gas electric etc> they still play music (at reasonable volumes) etc> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:11 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> >> >> > Is it part of some peoples desire to go back to a primitive existence ?> > Living in tents, tree houses or caves and drinking rain water ?> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering



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From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:12:45 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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Cool!  Didn't think I still had it in me:-)))



   
   
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  > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
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  > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:19:08 +0100
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  > 
  > 
  > 
  > > plenty of dog poo for the letterbox though
  > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
  > 
  > More likely to be human shit - well, unless he decides to climb into 
  > peoples' gardens to steal the canine variety. 
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 14:42:02 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:42:02 +0000
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
In-Reply-To: <01ef01c90f82$bcca4ef0$0200000a@jo>
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"Consider that silence is offensive to some of us as much as noise is to others."
 
 
    You don't often get people banging on their neighbours walls and asking them to make some more noise.
 
BANG BANG *Its very quiet, can you have an  argument or something*
 
BANG BANG *Take your headphones off, I want to listen to your music through the wall  *
 
 
 




From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:10:54 +0100Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........



 

Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means make as much noise as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
   
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Naaaa this is where the noise complaintee becomes poised to be a public nuisance.
For one - the assumption that I'm making loads of racket.  I like peace and quiet too.  Sometimes the neighbours don't feel the same way at the same time but hey, if I can't cope with kids joyfully squealing on their trampoline to Cotton Eye Joe full blast then I have to deal with it.  Why shouldn't they have their quota of fun?
Consideration?  Consider that silence is offensive to some of us as much as noise is to others. That is, it's as naughty to make noise as it is to be silent. 
We're a long time dead.
 
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From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 14:50:33 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:50:33 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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      You don't often get people banging on their neighbours walls and asking them to make some more noise.
   
  BANG BANG *Its very quiet, can you have an  argument or something*
  :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

  I'm sure there's been plenty of glasses shoved against walls over the years:-))

   
  BANG BANG *Take your headphones off, I want to listen to your music through the wall  *
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  Don't be silly:-))  It depends on what you think they're listening to!

  Do you reckon that we should agree to disagree?

   
   
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From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Fri Sep  5 15:05:53 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:05:53 -0700
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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"jo" wrote:


Bollocks!
Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his methods 
of social control include using explosives because the authorities have told 
him that there isn't an issue in the sane world.  I'm considering (with 
other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he continues to use such 
threatening behaviour.
There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of 
noisephobics.  The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, 
dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the 
occasional blast et al - within reason.  Those who can't cope with that joie 
de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over others.  It's bonkers 
to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
If their personal problems are really that big then they should live in 
their own village.
Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' sons 
drumming et al, either that or work on my tolerance levels.  Let people 
living their lives and having fun be.
Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol

+++++++

So should parents who live nearby who have to deal with your selfishness 
stick earplugs in their infants who are trying to sleep?

Maybe you should simply go rent or buy a house that gives you some space 
between neighbors so they don't have to deal with your childish attitude. 
Oh right, it's everyone else's problem, not yours.  Sounds like you and 
dynamite man deserve each other.

T.B. 


From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 15:10:27 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:10:27 +0000
Subject: [kj] 80's.................I'm living for the 80's   :-)
In-Reply-To: <BLU129-W4368DB873EC5137D3974D7F5580@phx.gbl>
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   How old is Jaz now, I wonder if he'll ever get to sing "I'm in my Eighties" ?
 
 
 
 




From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.ukTo: fluke1 at live.co.ukSubject: RE: [kj] 80's.................I'm living for the 80's :-)Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:37:02 +0000


ha ha! better than the original.
   

From: fluke1 at live.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:30:07 +0000Subject: [kj] 80's.................I'm living for the 80's :-)

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From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 15:37:51 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:37:51 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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> So should parents who live nearby who have to deal with your selfishness
> stick earplugs in their infants who are trying to sleep?
>
> Maybe you should simply go rent or buy a house that gives you some space 
> between neighbors so they don't have to deal with your childish attitude. 
> Oh right, it's everyone else's problem, not yours.  Sounds like you and 
> dynamite man deserve each other.
>
> T.B.
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

eh?
So how have you concluded that I'm being selfish?
Do you think I'm too noisy - if so how do you know? - I didn't say that I 
was.
I'm a very welcome member of my community to the point that we're grouping 
together (with the community police) to try to get this guy to realise that 
his actions are unreasonable.  Particularly the ones with kids (some of them 
dogowners too) who are increasingly worried about this guy's tyranic 
actions. Perhaps I didn't make it clear that I'm not the only victim here.
Re-read my mails and hopefully you'll understand that I'm advocating 
tolerance rather than promoting noise pollution. Tolerance, even in my 
suburbs is the key to living in harmony.
This is where noisephobes lose the plot and become hysterical  IMHO because 
they can't 'hear' anyone but themselves and there're a lot of other people 
on this planet: each with their own groove.




From dpeace at bigfoot.com  Fri Sep  5 15:42:10 2008
From: dpeace at bigfoot.com (Darren A. Peace)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:42:10 +0100
Subject: [kj] [OT] New Metallica
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Anyone heard it? Any views?

It sounds great to me, and it's especially pleasing to hear drums that don't
sound like pan lids again. Thought "Monster" was one of the funniest films
I've ever seen.

Darren
Hungerford, UK


From woody2shooz at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 16:18:48 2008
From: woody2shooz at gmail.com (woody2shooz)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:18:48 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, and it's in your colour too

fluke fluke wrote:
> /"Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the 
> air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms 
> having the occasional blast et al - within reason."/
>  
>  
>  
> Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
> Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means make as much 
> noise as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
>   
>  
>  
>  
>  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100
> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
>
> Bollocks!
> Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
> He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his 
> methods of social control include using explosives because the 
> authorities have told him that there isn't an issue in the sane 
> world.  I'm considering (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on 
> him if he continues to use such threatening behaviour. 
> There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of 
> noisephobics.  The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
> Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the 
> air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms 
> having the occasional blast et al - /within reason./  Those who can't 
> cope with that joie de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence 
> over others/.  /It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
> If their personal problems are really that big then they should live 
> in their own village.
> Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' 
> sons drumming et al, either that or work on my tolerance levels.  Let 
> people living their lives and having fun be. 
> Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol
>  
>
>
>     You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking
>     dogs ?
>     You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if
>     that were the case, then the other guy wouldn't be acting the way
>     that he is .
>        The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just
>     for ten minutes a  day .
>     Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse
>     other people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal
>     neurosis " and you say that this is the reason as to why they
>     complain .
>         They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis
>     , they are complaining because the music is annoying . It is
>     irresponsible and anti social to subject your neighbours to such
>     an extent that they have to take the drastic actions that your
>     neighbor took .
>         It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .
>      
>      
>      
>
>
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>
>     From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
>     To: gathering at misera.net
>     Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
>     Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
>
>
>     What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get
>     yourself a deprivision tank?'
>     Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their
>     own way.
>     Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people. 
>     Fuck that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given
>     half the chance and they're given way too much power these days.
>     We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking.
>     Which is for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're
>     getting tacked up for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over
>     a dual carriageway to us. The authorities refuse to act on his
>     behalf as he's out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry,
>     he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs bark, he shoots a firework
>     rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the neighbourhood
>     calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and yells
>     at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into
>     his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all
>     the dogs to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin
>     notices on doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his
>     loudspeaker at every opportunity.
>     /Within /reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social
>     intolerances.
>      
>      
>      
>
>         If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do
>         it through headphones ?
>         Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other
>         peoples music .
>           Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct
>         procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of
>         dealing with the problem .
>          
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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 16:31:28 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:31:28 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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ipat bounces up and down in glee clapping his hands in anticipation!!
 ;  )

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:09 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
>    Taking action like that is hardly going to solve anything and it would
> just probably lead to further retribution.
>   It would just exacerbate the situation

From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 16:32:12 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:32:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
Message-ID: <888139.47428.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Wtf?

Obama: Surge Succeeded 
Beyond ?Wildest Dreams?
by FOXNews.com
Thursday, September 4, 2008 [Re: Obama's interview with Bill O'Reilly today]
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/
?
?'Thus Spake Bama'thustra,?O verily yea unto Man' -?on Fox Tv:

?...the surge has succeeded...it?s succeeded beyond our?wildest dreams.?? [not my dreams 
??????????????? ??????????????????????????????????? (or many officials and journos' who wrote so, too).]
?
"The Islamic republic?[of Iran]?is a ?major threat.?? [It isn't.]

"I will never hesitate to use our military force...to protect?the homeland...?[dude, "homeland"?]

?..'absolutely' believes the United States is fighting a War??on Terror, with the enemy being,
??'Al Qaeda, the Taliban,??a whole host of networks that are bent on attacking America, 
? who have a distorted ideology, who have perverted the faith of Islam.' ? [dude, you're?Bush
2, maaan...You're scary.]

=:~o

?? Earlier a few months back, about getting oil from just offshore, 
Obama was going on about "to drill, or not to drill; okay, we drill," now 
he's also saying, "Hark! what surge in yonder wildest dreams..."
?
?? So one girl steps into the ring and stitches back on the Republicans' balls 
allowing their elephant to raise its mighty trunk again, and the Dems are all 
sent scurrying in a dizzying panic (by what was a stunning and impressive 
speech by Palin)?- throwing money at Obama's campaign thinking that cash is 
the solution...

?
? About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
? How?primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out 
the word nuclear as "new-clear"?on your TelemPrompter so that you 
absolutely, positively nail and get it right? [video/evidence]

?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 


      
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From pmdavies at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 16:38:37 2008
From: pmdavies at gmail.com (iPat)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:38:37 +0100
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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you misunderstand me and probably them, good question though.
they dont not have electric supply, they just dont revolve everything
around it. But ive been to houses with small generators, windmills,
water wheels in one in the highlands (could work in wales right now)

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:54 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
> And where do they get the electric from to play the music ?
> >From a small independent supplier ?
>

From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 16:40:06 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:40:06 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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You wouldn't be if your were me - receiving my prophecised 'special 
deliveries'  oooooh hen's teeth! :-))


> ipat bounces up and down in glee clapping his hands in anticipation!!
> ;  )
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:09 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
>>    Taking action like that is hardly going to solve anything and it would
>> just probably lead to further retribution.
>>   It would just exacerbate the situation


From antoni at clara.net  Fri Sep  5 16:40:13 2008
From: antoni at clara.net (pssyche23)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:40:13 +0100
Subject: [kj] 80's.................I'm living for the 80's   :-)
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48 methinks ... 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fluke fluke 
  To: gathering at misera.net 
  Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] 80's.................I'm living for the 80's :-)


   
   
     How old is Jaz now, I wonder if he'll ever get to sing "I'm in my Eighties" ?
   
   
   


   

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  From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk
  To: fluke1 at live.co.uk
  Subject: RE: [kj] 80's.................I'm living for the 80's :-)
  Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:37:02 +0000

  ha ha! better than the original.





   
   
   




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  From: fluke1 at live.co.uk
  To: gathering at misera.net
  Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:30:07 +0000
  Subject: [kj] 80's.................I'm living for the 80's :-)

   
   
   
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tDJEz6nZHA
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   


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From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Fri Sep  5 16:47:18 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:47:18 -0700
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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"jo" wrote:

>> So should parents who live nearby who have to deal with your selfishness
>> stick earplugs in their infants who are trying to sleep?
>>
>> Maybe you should simply go rent or buy a house that gives you some space 
>> between neighbors so they don't have to deal with your childish attitude. 
>> Oh right, it's everyone else's problem, not yours.  Sounds like you and 
>> dynamite man deserve each other.
>>
>> T.B.
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
> eh?
> So how have you concluded that I'm being selfish?

Yes.  Next question?

T.B. 


From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 16:48:49 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:48:49 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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It was me who wrote the first quote.  
Don't poo bomb me:-))

  I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, and it's in your colour too

  fluke fluke wrote: 
    "Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason."



    Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
    Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means make as much noise as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
       





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    From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
    To: gathering at misera.net
    Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100
    Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........


    Bollocks!
    Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
    He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his methods of social control include using explosives because the authorities have told him that there isn't an issue in the sane world.  I'm considering (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he continues to use such threatening behaviour.  
    There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of noisephobics.  The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
    Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason.  Those who can't cope with that joie de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over others.  It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
    If their personal problems are really that big then they should live in their own village.
    Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' sons drumming et al, either that or work on my tolerance levels.  Let people living their lives and having fun be.  
    Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol



      You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?
      You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if that were the case, then the other guy wouldn't be acting the way that he is . 
         The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just for ten minutes a  day .
      Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse other people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal neurosis " and you say that this is the reason as to why they complain . 
          They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis , they are complaining because the music is annoying . It is irresponsible and anti social to subject your neighbours to such an extent that they have to take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .
          It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .
       
       
       



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      From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
      To: gathering at misera.net
      Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
      Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........



      What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself a deprivision tank?'
      Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own way.
      Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.  Fuck that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the chance and they're given way too much power these days.
      We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're getting tacked up for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us. The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and yells at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every opportunity.
      Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social intolerances.





        If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through headphones ?
        Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music .
          Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .
         
         


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From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 16:52:33 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:52:33 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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>> eh?
>> So how have you concluded that I'm being selfish?
> 
> Yes.  Next question?
> 
> T.B. 
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Okay.

rest my case.

From circusbar at uol.com.br  Fri Sep  5 17:00:11 2008
From: circusbar at uol.com.br (Jokers)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:00:11 -0300
Subject: [kj] [OT] New Metallica
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I?ve only listened to it a couple of times and it?s still growing on me!!!

there?s a lot of nice moments!!! All Nightmare Long is very nice!!!

my thoughts are that this album should have been release just after the black album!!! it would be perfect!!!

at least it?s a great Thrash Album!!!

meus dois centavos

diaz
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:21:39 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:21:39 -0700
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/wind-power
 
http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/solar
 
http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/hydro-power
 
http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/ground-source-heat-pumps
 
http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/green-electricity
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:38:37 +0100> From: pmdavies at gmail.com> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > you misunderstand me and probably them, good question though.> they dont not have electric supply, they just dont revolve everything> around it. But ive been to houses with small generators, windmills,> water wheels in one in the highlands (could work in wales right now)> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:54 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> > And where do they get the electric from to play the music ?> > >From a small independent supplier ?> >> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:35:18 2008
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:35:18 +1200
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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wasn't jaz endorsing 'perm-a-culture' in the mid eighties??   (chortle!)

On 9/6/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/wind-power
>
> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/solar
>
> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/hydro-power
>
> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/ground-source-heat-pumps
>
> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/green-electricity
>> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:38:37 +0100> From: pmdavies at gmail.com> To:
>> gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > you
>> misunderstand me and probably them, good question though.> they dont not
>> have electric supply, they just dont revolve everything> around it. But
>> ive been to houses with small generators, windmills,> water wheels in one
>> in the highlands (could work in wales right now)> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at
>> 6:54 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> > And where do they get
>> the electric from to play the music ?> > >From a small independent
>> supplier ?> >> _______________________________________________> Gathering
>> mailing list> Gathering at misera.net>
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postponed indefinitely..."

From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:45:07 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:45:07 -0700
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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i think you'll find he's trying to live it. In NZ.
 
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:35:18 +1200> From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > wasn't jaz endorsing 'perm-a-culture' in the mid eighties?? (chortle!)> > On 9/6/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/wind-power> >> > http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/solar> >> > http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/hydro-power> >> > http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/ground-source-heat-pumps> >> > http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/green-electricity> >> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:38:37 +0100> From: pmdavies at gmail.com> To:> >> gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > you> >> misunderstand me and probably them, good question though.> they dont not> >> have electric supply, they just dont revolve everything> around it. But> >> ive been to houses with small generators, windmills,> water wheels in one> >> in the highlands (could work in wales right now)> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at> >> 6:54 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> > And where do they get> >> the electric from to play the music ?> > >From a small independent> >> supplier ?> >> _______________________________________________> Gathering> >> mailing list> Gathering at misera.net>> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > _________________________________________________________________> > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the> > go.> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> > > -- > > > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been> postponed indefinitely..."> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:48:30 2008
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:48:30 +1200
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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...i was meaning his hair.........

=)




On 9/6/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> i think you'll find he's trying to live it. In NZ.
>
>> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:35:18 +1200> From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> To:
>> gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > wasn't
>> jaz endorsing 'perm-a-culture' in the mid eighties?? (chortle!)> > On
>> 9/6/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> >
>> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/wind-power> >> >
>> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/solar> >> >
>> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/hydro-power> >> >
>> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/ground-source-heat-pumps>
>> >> > http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/green-electricity> >>
>> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:38:37 +0100> From: pmdavies at gmail.com> To:> >>
>> gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > you> >>
>> misunderstand me and probably them, good question though.> they dont not>
>> >> have electric supply, they just dont revolve everything> around it.
>> But> >> ive been to houses with small generators, windmills,> water wheels
>> in one> >> in the highlands (could work in wales right now)> > On Fri, Sep
>> 5, 2008 at> >> 6:54 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> > And
>> where do they get> >> the electric from to play the music ?> > >From a
>> small independent> >> supplier ?> >>
>> _______________________________________________> Gathering> >> mailing
>> list> Gathering at misera.net>> >>
>> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >
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>> how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the> >
>> go.> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> > >
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>> been> postponed indefinitely...">
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"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."

From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:58:20 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:58:20 -0700
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oops! ;)
He does have a bit of a 'hollywood'...
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:48:30 +1200> From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > ...i was meaning his hair.........> > =)> > > > > On 9/6/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > i think you'll find he's trying to live it. In NZ.> >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:35:18 +1200> From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> To:> >> gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > wasn't> >> jaz endorsing 'perm-a-culture' in the mid eighties?? (chortle!)> > On> >> 9/6/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> >> >> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/wind-power> >> >> >> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/solar> >> >> >> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/hydro-power> >> >> >> http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/ground-source-heat-pumps>> >> >> > http://www.biggreenswitch.co.uk/around_the_home/green-electricity> >>> >> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:38:37 +0100> From: pmdavies at gmail.com> To:> >>> >> gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > you> >>> >> misunderstand me and probably them, good question though.> they dont not>> >> >> have electric supply, they just dont revolve everything> around it.> >> But> >> ive been to houses with small generators, windmills,> water wheels> >> in one> >> in the highlands (could work in wales right now)> > On Fri, Sep> >> 5, 2008 at> >> 6:54 PM, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> > And> >> where do they get> >> the electric from to play the music ?> > >From a> >> small independent> >> supplier ?> >>> >> _______________________________________________> Gathering> >> mailing> >> list> Gathering at misera.net>> >>> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> >> _________________________________________________________________> > See> >> how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the> >> >> go.> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> > >> >> -- > > > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has> >> been> postponed indefinitely...">> >> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list>> >> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > _________________________________________________________________> > Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie.> > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008> > > -- > > > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been> postponed indefinitely..."> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 19:39:22 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:39:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
In-Reply-To: <025e01c90f88$46e4d2e0$0200000a@jo>
Message-ID: <630957.59214.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

? When my next-door neighbors used to have sex (they have kids now as a result, 
so that's over with for good) loudly, i used to wanna say something but i didn't have 
the heart to complain, then or later on to the bldg. manager. 
I mean, it's sex; i can relate... whaddaya do? 
? Now when i see the kids, it's like, "I know when you were made..." Weird.
?
"know my dna, manufacture..." ~~ implant


... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 11:50 AM



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?
?
??? You don't often get people banging on their neighbours walls and asking them to make some more noise.
?
BANG BANG *Its very quiet, can you have an? argument or something*

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?
I'm sure there's been plenty of glasses shoved against walls over the years:-))

?
BANG BANG *Take your headphones off, I want to listen to?your music through the wall? *

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?
Don't be silly:-))? It depends on what you think they're listening to!
?
Do you reckon that we should agree to disagree?

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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Fri Sep  5 19:41:19 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:41:19 -0400
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
In-Reply-To: <888139.47428.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <888139.47428.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0K6Q00EGRXT20Q80@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

About as primitive as Obama saying we have 57 states.

About as stupid and uneducated as a possible future president (Obama) 
calling for a UN Security Council action against Russia's invasion of 
Georgia. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and 
will veto anything against itself.

About as primitive as Obama referring to the Penn State Nittany 
Lions, as the "Nittaly Lions".

About as silly as saying a Tornado in Kansas killed 10,000 people. 
(Total was 12... Nothing like a bit of embellishment ehh?)

As silly as Obama saying his parents united as a direct result of the 
Selma march. "There was something stirring across the country because 
of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to 
march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born"
(The march took place in 1965 he was born in 1961)

No where as messed as Nancy Pelosi saying "You can have a transition 
with natural gas. You can have a transition with natural gas. That is 
cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels." ------- "I'm -- 
I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as 
a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels." ------ I'm investing in 
something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap 
alternative to fossil fuels."

This is pathetic because Pelosi is one of the principal people 
responsible for setting the nation's energy policy. Yet she doesn't 
know that "Natural Gas" IS a fossil fuel.

Shall I go on???

Ps...

Have you ever seen Obama's TelePrompter and how every word is 
spelled, accented, split or punctuated?
Just Curious


At 04:32 PM 9/5/2008, sade1 wrote:
>
>   About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
>   How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out
>the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you
>absolutely, positively nail and get it right? 
>[<http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/04/moos.nuke.that.word.cnn>video/evidence]
>
>... ... ... ... ... ...
>
>[looking at the current state of things]
>
>'Save me...
>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player.  
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 19:51:46 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:51:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
In-Reply-To: <027d01c90f8e$e28cc9e0$0200000a@jo>
Message-ID: <115343.58916.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

?? We used to have a guy in my (Koreatown) neighborhood who'd go 
around barking his homemade "Pizza...!" (in spanish)?in many variations,
even 'staccato' - at 7 or 8a.m. on a sunday fuckin' morning!!!??I mean, 
really, dude, wtf?
?
? It managed to make it onto a few local forums [fora?] and some, mainly
hispanic, people started playing the race card, claiming "it's a qute little
ethnic trait/quirk,"ethnic bashing,"etc.etc."
?
? What idiots. Sleep! [noun]?make all the noise you want with in reason 
(I do too), but biology trumps ethnicity every time in my book. 
?
?
..trampolines and skyrockets..wow... sounds like a siouxsie & the 
banshees song title or sumthin'...
?
?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 12:37 PM

> So should parents who live nearby who have to deal with your selfishness
> stick earplugs in their infants who are trying to sleep?
>
> Maybe you should simply go rent or buy a house that gives you some space 
> between neighbors so they don't have to deal with your childish
attitude. 
> Oh right, it's everyone else's problem, not yours.  Sounds like
you and 
> dynamite man deserve each other.
>
> T.B.
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eh?
So how have you concluded that I'm being selfish?
Do you think I'm too noisy - if so how do you know? - I didn't say that
I 
was.
I'm a very welcome member of my community to the point that we're
grouping 
together (with the community police) to try to get this guy to realise that 
his actions are unreasonable.  Particularly the ones with kids (some of them 
dogowners too) who are increasingly worried about this guy's tyranic 
actions. Perhaps I didn't make it clear that I'm not the only victim
here.
Re-read my mails and hopefully you'll understand that I'm advocating 
tolerance rather than promoting noise pollution. Tolerance, even in my 
suburbs is the key to living in harmony.
This is where noisephobes lose the plot and become hysterical  IMHO because 
they can't 'hear' anyone but themselves and there're a lot of
other people 
on this planet: each with their own groove.



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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Fri Sep  5 19:53:52 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:53:52 -0700
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
References: <888139.47428.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <668A1CB2989A4C8E8978C4FF632A4749@edweil>

It was really a no-win situation for Obama, but I least give him credit for even sitting across from Uncle Pervy! ; ) 

k.w.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sade1 
  To: gathering 
  Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:32 PM
  Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox


        Wtf?

        Obama: Surge Succeeded 
        Beyond ?Wildest Dreams?
        by FOXNews.com
        Thursday, September 4, 2008 [Re: Obama's interview with Bill O'Reilly today]
        http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/

         'Thus Spake Bama'thustra, O verily yea unto Man' - on Fox Tv:

        ?...the surge has succeeded...it?s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.?  [not my dreams 
                                                            (or many officials and journos' who wrote so, too).]

        "The Islamic republic [of Iran] is a ?major threat.?  [It isn't.]

        "I will never hesitate to use our military force...to protect the homeland... [dude, "homeland"?]

        ?..'absolutely' believes the United States is fighting a War  on Terror, with the enemy being,
          'Al Qaeda, the Taliban,  a whole host of networks that are bent on attacking America, 
          who have a distorted ideology, who have perverted the faith of Islam.' ? [dude, you're Bush
        2, maaan...You're scary.]

        =:~o

           Earlier a few months back, about getting oil from just offshore, 
        Obama was going on about "to drill, or not to drill; okay, we drill," now 
        he's also saying, "Hark! what surge in yonder wildest dreams..."

           So one girl steps into the ring and stitches back on the Republicans' balls 
        allowing their elephant to raise its mighty trunk again, and the Dems are all 
        sent scurrying in a dizzying panic (by what was a stunning and impressive 
        speech by Palin) - throwing money at Obama's campaign thinking that cash is 
        the solution...


          About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
          How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out 
        the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you 
        absolutely, positively nail and get it right? [video/evidence]


        ... ... ... ... ... ... 

        [looking at the current state of things]

        'Save me...
          save me from Tomorrow..
           I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'    




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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Fri Sep  5 19:55:24 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:55:24 -0700
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
References: <888139.47428.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<0K6Q00EGRXT20Q80@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <FBC8E6CB52454FBEAAF978C617FC93FC@edweil>

Ok, we get it: You're not an Obama fan.

But I hate to break this to you: McCain more than matches him for gaffes. 
Next time, we expect you'll offer a list of those ...

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com ; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox


  About as primitive as Obama saying we have 57 states.

  About as stupid and uneducated as a possible future president (Obama) calling for a UN Security Council action against Russia's invasion of Georgia. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and will veto anything against itself.

  About as primitive as Obama referring to the Penn State Nittany Lions, as the "Nittaly Lions".

  About as silly as saying a Tornado in Kansas killed 10,000 people. (Total was 12... Nothing like a bit of embellishment ehh?)

  As silly as Obama saying his parents united as a direct result of the Selma march. "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born" 
  (The march took place in 1965 he was born in 1961)

  No where as messed as Nancy Pelosi saying "You can have a transition with natural gas. You can have a transition with natural gas. That is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels." ------- "I'm -- I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels." ------ I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels."

  This is pathetic because Pelosi is one of the principal people responsible for setting the nation's energy policy. Yet she doesn't know that "Natural Gas" IS a fossil fuel.

  Shall I go on???

  Ps...

  Have you ever seen Obama's TelePrompter and how every word is spelled, accented, split or punctuated?
  Just Curious


  At 04:32 PM 9/5/2008, sade1 wrote:


      About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
      How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out 
    the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you 
    absolutely, positively nail and get it right? [ video/evidence ]
     
    ... ... ... ... ... ... 

    [looking at the current state of things]

    'Save me...
      save me from Tomorrow..
       I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   

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  We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
  else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
  to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is unethical, while
  a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the spirit of diversity,
  inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
  Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player. 



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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 19:58:45 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:58:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
In-Reply-To: <48C19428.9050707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <585211.31853.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, 
?
It's him, It's him, i knew it!
?
?
?
?
Get him!? 8P 
?
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'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com> wrote:

From: woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 1:18 PM


I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, and it's in your colour too

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"Me?? I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason."
?
?
?
Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
Some of us like peace and quiet . You? , by all means make as much noise as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
?? 
?
?
?
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From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........



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Bollocks!
Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his methods of social control include using explosives because the authorities have told him that there isn't an issue in the sane world.? I'm considering (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he continues to use such threatening behaviour.? 
There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of noisephobics.? The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
Me?? I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason.? Those who can't cope with that?joie de vive?shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over others.? It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
If their personal problems?are really that big then they should live in their own village.
Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' sons drumming et al, either that?or work on my tolerance levels.? Let people living their lives and having fun be.? 
Killing Joke?on a headphones?only policy?? lol
?


You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?
You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if that were the case, then?the other guy wouldn't be acting the way that he is . 
?? The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just for ten minutes?a ?day?.
Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse other people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal neurosis " and you say that this is the reason as to why they complain . 
??? They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis , they are complaining because the music is annoying . It is irresponsible and anti social to subject your neighbours to such an extent that they have to take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .
??? It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .
?
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From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........




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What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself a deprivision tank?'
Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own way.
Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.? Fuck that! -?they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the chance and they're given way too much power these days.
We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is for all of ten minutes a day, collectively?when they're getting tacked up for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us. The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.? When the dogs bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.? He also cycles around the neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he?grabs a?megaphone and yells at them.? He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every opportunity.
Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social intolerances.
?
?
?


If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through headphones ?
Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music .
? Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .
?
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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Fri Sep  5 20:01:30 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:01:30 -0700
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
References: <C528A021B14F4EC5A9308A3D7EDDD9D7@edweil><887042.95652.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com><BLU138-W273DA026E886561D30F9EEBB600@phx.gbl><4DF49804-9637-43AC-B047-E51B22870123@earthlink.net>
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Think you're spot-on with your observations. 

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  From: Christof hamille 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008


  I have to be honest the prospects of them performing this or that albumin its entirety does not thrill me at all.

  1. They typically play a lot of stuff off s/t and a good number of wtf anyway.  And while I like Pandemonium playing the entire album again (they practically did for the tour) isn't necessary.  If you want I'd rather hear Democracy.  never heard any of it live.

  2. There are plenty of great albums that get ignored all together.  Extremities.  People.  How long have we been bitching about not hearing any of it.  And while I didn't care, much, for Hosannas I would like to hear the live translation of 2 songs (TOPS).

  3. Couldn't/shouldn't they play proper homage to Raven?  Yeah I know this tour exists because of him.  And yeah you'll probably hear Love Like Blood and maybe Kings and Queens or Eighties.  But really.  Lets pay proper respect and play something other then the obvious hits.  Paul played plenty of Youth tracks that weren't hits.

  4.  Killing Joke, in my opinion, were never one of those bands that had to rely on 2-3 records to sustain their career.  Maybe I am too big of a fan.  But If I had to give someone a single KJ album to give them an idea of how they sound I couldn't.  Bands are doing this type of thing all the time.  Sometimes it is to celebrate an album anniversary.  Sometimes it is to remind the public of how they became famous.  Or sometimes the album, by itself, is a defining moment (ala Sgt Peppers).  roger Waters did it with the Wall.  Cheap Trick did it with the first 3 lps.  Melvins with Houdini.  etc etc etc.

  The one advantage that I see of this rather lax schedule is that Jaz shouldn't have an issue of his "voice".  I never read that Geordies fingers hurt

  ;)

  Chris

  > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:14:34 -0500
  > From: unspeakable at sbcglobal.net
  > To: gathering at misera.net
  > Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
  > 
  > >>who else is planning on catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? 
  > Show of hands, please.
  > 
  > *raises hand*
  > *raises wife's hand, which fights the second night*
  > 
  > Any bets from anyone on:
  > -If the whole tour will happen as scheduled?
  > -If they will stick to the stated idea of KJ80 & WTF on night 1, 
  > Pandemonium on night 2? Somehow I see that changing. Looking forward to 
  > the early gig reports.
  > 
  > If L.A.'s House of Blues gets nervous about ticket sales, someone should 
  > explain to them: "Killing Joke fans are just waiting to make sure the 
  > band show up first."
  > 
  > Alexander Smith wrote:
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  > > Ahoy Gang.....
  > >
  > > Sorry to be so in and out of the proceedings these days. There have 
  > > been lots of silly conversations I've wanted to hijack of late, but 
  > > I'm running around like a madman. In any case, I just wanted to get a 
  > > rough idea. I know Mik & Milinda are in, but who else is planning on 
  > > catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? Show of hands, please.
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 20:29:20 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:29:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
In-Reply-To: <FBC8E6CB52454FBEAAF978C617FC93FC@edweil>
Message-ID: <157344.42756.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> McCain more than matches him for gaffes. 
?
Here's one: 
?? when Sarah "Conner"?Palin is giving her speech w/John Son-of-Cain next 
to her, he'll be reading her TelePrompter built in to the podium itself (it's off to 
one corner) and you can see him so-obviously doing so and starting to raise 
his hands and clap before she's even finished [wtf?]? with her sentence! 
?
?? It looks like the most contrived, fabricated amateurish attempt at a "spontaneous"
response that sort of kills it all. It's like bad?-?and badly timed - acting.

?
?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:55 PM





Ok, we get it: You're not an Obama fan.
?
But I hate to break this to you: McCain more than matches him for gaffes. 
Next time, we expect you'll offer a list of those ...
?
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: The Exorcist 
To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com ; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox

About as primitive as Obama saying we have 57 states.

About as stupid and uneducated as a possible future president (Obama) calling for a UN Security Council action against Russia's invasion of Georgia. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and will veto anything against itself.

About as primitive as Obama referring to the Penn State Nittany Lions, as the "Nittaly Lions".

About as silly as saying a Tornado in Kansas killed 10,000 people. (Total was 12... Nothing like a bit of embellishment ehh?)

As silly as Obama saying his parents united as a direct result of the Selma march. "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born" 
(The march took place in 1965 he was born in 1961)

No where as messed as Nancy Pelosi saying "You can have a transition with natural gas. You can have a transition with natural gas. That is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels." ------- "I'm -- I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels." ------ I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels."

This is pathetic because Pelosi is one of the principal people responsible for setting the nation's energy policy. Yet she doesn't know that "Natural Gas" IS a fossil fuel.

Shall I go on???

Ps...

Have you ever seen Obama's TelePrompter and how every word is spelled, accented, split or punctuated?
Just Curious


At 04:32 PM 9/5/2008, sade1 wrote:


? About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
? How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out 
the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you 
absolutely, positively nail and get it right? [ video/evidence ]
?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things]

'Save me...
? save me from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

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From karen.weil at sddt.com  Fri Sep  5 20:36:05 2008
From: karen.weil at sddt.com (Karen Weil)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:36:05 -0700
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
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OMG, you are so not kidding. And Palin -- don't even get me started on her. 
What a disgrace. 

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sade1 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox


        > McCain more than matches him for gaffes. 

        Here's one: 
           when Sarah "Conner" Palin is giving her speech w/John Son-of-Cain next 
        to her, he'll be reading her TelePrompter built in to the podium itself (it's off to 
        one corner) and you can see him so-obviously doing so and starting to raise 
        his hands and clap before she's even finished [wtf?]  with her sentence! 

           It looks like the most contrived, fabricated amateurish attempt at a "spontaneous"
        response that sort of kills it all. It's like bad - and badly timed - acting.



        ... ... ... ... ... ... 

        [looking at the current state of things]

        'Save me...
          save me from Tomorrow..
           I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   


        --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

          From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
          Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
          To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
          Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:55 PM


          Ok, we get it: You're not an Obama fan.

          But I hate to break this to you: McCain more than matches him for gaffes. 
          Next time, we expect you'll offer a list of those ...

          k.w.
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: The Exorcist 
            To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com ; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
            Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:41 PM
            Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox


            About as primitive as Obama saying we have 57 states.

            About as stupid and uneducated as a possible future president (Obama) calling for a UN Security Council action against Russia's invasion of Georgia. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and will veto anything against itself.

            About as primitive as Obama referring to the Penn State Nittany Lions, as the "Nittaly Lions".

            About as silly as saying a Tornado in Kansas killed 10,000 people. (Total was 12... Nothing like a bit of embellishment ehh?)

            As silly as Obama saying his parents united as a direct result of the Selma march. "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born" 
            (The march took place in 1965 he was born in 1961)

            No where as messed as Nancy Pelosi saying "You can have a transition with natural gas. You can have a transition with natural gas. That is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels." ------- "I'm -- I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels." ------ I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels."

            This is pathetic because Pelosi is one of the principal people responsible for setting the nation's energy policy. Yet she doesn't know that "Natural Gas" IS a fossil fuel.

            Shall I go on???

            Ps...

            Have you ever seen Obama's TelePrompter and how every word is spelled, accented, split or punctuated?
            Just Curious


            At 04:32 PM 9/5/2008, sade1 wrote:


                About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
                How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out 
              the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you 
              absolutely, positively nail and get it right? [ video/evidence ]
               
              ... ... ... ... ... ... 

              [looking at the current state of things]

              'Save me...
                save me from Tomorrow..
                 I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   

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From jagargal at lycos.com  Fri Sep  5 21:14:53 2008
From: jagargal at lycos.com (Javier Garcia)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:14:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
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From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 21:31:27 2008
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:31:27 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
References: <585211.31853.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <021201c90fc0$48312e90$0200000a@jo>

I was wondering what colour peter's poo is and how does woody know.


        > I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, 

        It's him, It's him, i knew it!




        Get him!  8P 

        ... ... ... ... ... ... 

        [looking at the current state of things]

        'Save me...
          save me from Tomorrow..
           I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   


        --- On Fri, 9/5/08, woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com> wrote:

          From: woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com>
          Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
          To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
          Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 1:18 PM


          I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, and it's in your colour too

          fluke fluke wrote: 
            "Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason."



            Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
            Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means make as much noise as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
               





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            Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100
            Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........


            Bollocks!
            Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
            He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his methods of social control include using explosives because the authorities have told him that there isn't an issue in the sane world.  I'm considering (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he continues to use such threatening behaviour.  
            There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of noisephobics.  The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
            Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason.  Those who can't cope with that joie de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over others.  It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
            If their personal problems are really that big then they should live in their own village.
            Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' sons drumming et al, either that or work on my tolerance levels.  Let people living their lives and having fun be.  
            Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol



              You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?
              You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if that were the case, then the other guy wouldn't be acting the way that he is . 
                 The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just for ten minutes a  day .
              Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse other people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal neurosis " and you say that this is the reason as to why they complain . 
                  They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis , they are complaining because the music is annoying . It is irresponsible and anti social to subject your neighbours to such an extent that they have to take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .
                  It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .
               
               
               



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              From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
              To: gathering at misera.net
              Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
              Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........



              What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself a deprivision tank?'
              Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own way.
              Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.  Fuck that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the chance and they're given way too much power these days.
              We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're getting tacked up for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us. The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and yells at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every opportunity.
              Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social intolerances.





                If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through headphones ?
                Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music .
                  Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .
                 
                 


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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Fri Sep  5 21:31:36 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:31:36 -0400
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
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Win or no win I think every candidate should go to all the media outlets.
If you can't stand up to reporters and interviewers you shouldn't run 
for anything.

At 07:53 PM 9/5/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>It was really a no-win situation for Obama, but I least give him 
>credit for even sitting across from Uncle Pervy! ; )
>
>k.w.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>sade1
>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering
>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:32 PM
>Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
>
>Wtf?
><http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/>
><http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/>Obama: 
>Surge Succeeded
>Beyond 'Wildest Dreams'
>by FOXNews.com
>Thursday, September 4, 2008 [Re: Obama's interview with Bill O'Reilly today]
><http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/>http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/
>
>  'Thus Spake Bama'thustra, O verily yea unto Man' - on Fox Tv:
>
>"...the surge has succeeded...it's succeeded beyond our wildest 
>dreams."  [not my dreams
>                                                     (or many 
> officials and journos' who wrote so, too).]
>
>"The Islamic republic [of Iran] is a "major threat."  [It isn't.]
>"I will never hesitate to use our military force...to protect the 
>homeland... [dude, "homeland"?]
>"..'absolutely' believes the United States is fighting a War  on 
>Terror, with the enemy being,
>   'Al Qaeda, the Taliban,  a whole host of networks that are bent 
> on attacking America,
>   who have a distorted ideology, who have perverted the faith of 
> Islam.' " [dude, you're Bush
>2, maaan...You're scary.]
>
>=:~o
>
>    Earlier a few months back, about getting oil from just offshore,
>Obama was going on about "to drill, or not to drill; okay, we drill," now
>he's also saying, "Hark! what surge in yonder wildest dreams..."
>
>    So one girl steps into the ring and stitches back on the 
> Republicans' balls
>allowing their elephant to raise its mighty trunk again, and the Dems are all
>sent scurrying in a dizzying panic (by what was a stunning and impressive
>speech by Palin) - throwing money at Obama's campaign thinking that cash is
>the solution...
>
>   About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
>   How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out
>the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you
>absolutely, positively nail and get it right? 
>[<http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/04/moos.nuke.that.word.cnn>video/evidence]
>
>... ... ... ... ... ...
>
>[looking at the current state of things]
>
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>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Fri Sep  5 21:35:15 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:35:15 -0400
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
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I am not nor did I go after him because I don't like him I'm just responding.
I'm sure all politicians have made and will make gaffe's.
I just believe in an equal field.  I hope you won't deny me that right. :)
After all the demmies do support the fairness doctrine. *grin*

(I haven't mentioned anything political here in quite some time.)

Sincerely,
Me

At 07:55 PM 9/5/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>Ok, we get it: You're not an Obama fan.
>
>But I hate to break this to you: McCain more than matches him for gaffes.
>Next time, we expect you'll offer a list of those ...
>
>k.w.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>To: <mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>saulomar1 at yahoo.com ; 
><mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
>
>About as primitive as Obama saying we have 57 states.
>
>About as stupid and uneducated as a possible future president 
>(Obama) calling for a UN Security Council action against Russia's 
>invasion of Georgia. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security 
>Council and will veto anything against itself.
>
>About as primitive as Obama referring to the Penn State Nittany 
>Lions, as the "Nittaly Lions".
>
>About as silly as saying a Tornado in Kansas killed 10,000 people. 
>(Total was 12... Nothing like a bit of embellishment ehh?)
>
>As silly as Obama saying his parents united as a direct result of 
>the Selma march. "There was something stirring across the country 
>because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are 
>willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack 
>Obama Jr. was born"
>(The march took place in 1965 he was born in 1961)
>
>No where as messed as Nancy Pelosi saying "You can have a transition 
>with natural gas. You can have a transition with natural gas. That 
>is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels." ------- "I'm 
>-- I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas 
>as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels." ------ I'm investing 
>in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, 
>cheap alternative to fossil fuels."
>
>This is pathetic because Pelosi is one of the principal people 
>responsible for setting the nation's energy policy. Yet she doesn't 
>know that "Natural Gas" IS a fossil fuel.
>
>Shall I go on???
>
>Ps...
>
>Have you ever seen Obama's TelePrompter and how every word is 
>spelled, accented, split or punctuated?
>Just Curious
>
>
>At 04:32 PM 9/5/2008, sade1 wrote:
>>
>>   About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: 
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
>>   How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out
>>the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you
>>absolutely, positively nail and get it right? [ 
>><http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/04/moos.nuke.that.word.cnn>video/evidence 
>>]
>>
>>... ... ... ... ... ...
>>
>>[looking at the current state of things]
>>
>>'Save me...
>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Fri Sep  5 21:39:39 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:39:39 -0400
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
In-Reply-To: <157344.42756.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Forgive John for not being an eloquent speaker or showman or a fan of 
large gatherings
to a huge group of people on a stage with a pre-made speech and for 
preferring smaller
one on one gatherings where people can ask him about anything and 
raise their concerns. It's horrible.
Off with his head! And then send him to teleprompter rhetoric 
enhancement school.

Cheers,
Me


At 08:29 PM 9/5/2008, sade1 wrote:
> > McCain more than matches him for gaffes.
>
>Here's one:
>    when Sarah 
> "<http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankenslut/2273692572/>Conner"<http://www.flickr.com/photos/kimluu/2044997641/> 
> Palin is giving her speech w/John Son-of-Cain next
>to her, he'll be reading her TelePrompter built in to the podium 
>itself (it's off to
>one corner) and you can see him so-obviously doing so and starting to raise
>his hands and clap before she's even finished [wtf?]  with her sentence!
>
>    It looks like the most contrived, fabricated amateurish attempt 
> at a "spontaneous"
>response that sort of kills it all. It's like bad - and badly timed - acting.
>
>
>... ... ... ... ... ...
>
>[looking at the current state of things]
>
>'Save me...
>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
>
>--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:
>From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:55 PM
>
>Ok, we get it: You're not an Obama fan.
>
>But I hate to break this to you: McCain more than matches him for gaffes.
>Next time, we expect you'll offer a list of those ...
>
>k.w.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist
>To: <mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>saulomar1 at yahoo.com ; 
><mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
>
>About as primitive as Obama saying we have 57 states.
>
>About as stupid and uneducated as a possible future president 
>(Obama) calling for a UN Security Council action against Russia's 
>invasion of Georgia. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security 
>Council and will veto anything against itself.
>
>About as primitive as Obama referring to the Penn State Nittany 
>Lions, as the "Nittaly Lions".
>
>About as silly as saying a Tornado in Kansas killed 10,000 people. 
>(Total was 12... Nothing like a bit of embellishment ehh?)
>
>As silly as Obama saying his parents united as a direct result of 
>the Selma march. "There was something stirring across the country 
>because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are 
>willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack 
>Obama Jr. was born"
>(The march took place in 1965 he was born in 1961)
>
>No where as messed as Nancy Pelosi saying "You can have a transition 
>with natural gas. You can have a transition with natural gas. That 
>is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels." ------- "I'm 
>-- I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas 
>as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels." ------ I'm investing 
>in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, 
>cheap alternative to fossil fuels."
>
>This is pathetic because Pelosi is one of the principal people 
>responsible for setting the nation's energy policy. Yet she doesn't 
>know that "Natural Gas" IS a fossil fuel.
>
>Shall I go on???
>
>Ps...
>
>Have you ever seen Obama's TelePrompter and how every word is 
>spelled, accented, split or punctuated?
>Just Curious
>
>
>At 04:32 PM 9/5/2008, sade1 wrote:
>>
>>   About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: 
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
>>   How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out
>>the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you
>>absolutely, positively nail and get it right? [ 
>><http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/04/moos.nuke.that.word.cnn>video/evidence 
>>]
>>
>>... ... ... ... ... ...
>>
>>[looking at the current state of things]
>>
>>'Save me...
>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Gathering mailing list
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>contribute
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Fri Sep  5 21:42:24 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:42:24 -0400
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
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Though I might have a preference for certain songs it'll be a blast 
to see KJ again.
(For only the second time in my life.)

Seeing KJ and meeting old/new gatherers is something I am looking 
forward to and
getting the tickets just for that is worth it.

Cheers,
Me

At 08:01 PM 9/5/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
>Think you're spot-on with your observations.
>
>k.w.
>The States
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com>Christof hamille
>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing 
>Joke (the band!)
>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
>
>I have to be honest the prospects of them performing this or that 
>albumin its entirety does not thrill me at all.
>
>1. They typically play a lot of stuff off s/t and a good number of 
>wtf anyway.  And while I like Pandemonium playing the entire album 
>again (they practically did for the tour) isn't necessary.  If you 
>want I'd rather hear Democracy.  never heard any of it live.
>
>2. There are plenty of great albums that get ignored all 
>together.  Extremities.  People.  How long have we been bitching 
>about not hearing any of it.  And while I didn't care, much, for 
>Hosannas I would like to hear the live translation of 2 songs (TOPS).
>
>3. Couldn't/shouldn't they play proper homage to Raven?  Yeah I know 
>this tour exists because of him.  And yeah you'll probably hear Love 
>Like Blood and maybe Kings and Queens or Eighties.  But 
>really.  Lets pay proper respect and play something other then the 
>obvious hits.  Paul played plenty of Youth tracks that weren't hits.
>
>4.  Killing Joke, in my opinion, were never one of those bands that 
>had to rely on 2-3 records to sustain their career.  Maybe I am too 
>big of a fan.  But If I had to give someone a single KJ album to 
>give them an idea of how they sound I couldn't.  Bands are doing 
>this type of thing all the time.  Sometimes it is to celebrate an 
>album anniversary.  Sometimes it is to remind the public of how they 
>became famous.  Or sometimes the album, by itself, is a defining 
>moment (ala Sgt Peppers).  roger Waters did it with the Wall.  Cheap 
>Trick did it with the first 3 lps.  Melvins with Houdini.  etc etc etc.
>
>The one advantage that I see of this rather lax schedule is that Jaz 
>shouldn't have an issue of his "voice".  I never read that Geordies 
>fingers hurt
>
>;)
>
>Chris
>
> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:14:34 -0500
> > From: unspeakable at sbcglobal.net
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
> >
> > >>who else is planning on catching the Joke's show in NYC in October???
> > Show of hands, please.
> >
> > *raises hand*
> > *raises wife's hand, which fights the second night*
> >
> > Any bets from anyone on:
> > -If the whole tour will happen as scheduled?
> > -If they will stick to the stated idea of KJ80 & WTF on night 1,
> > Pandemonium on night 2? Somehow I see that changing. Looking forward to
> > the early gig reports.
> >
> > If L.A.'s House of Blues gets nervous about ticket sales, someone should
> > explain to them: "Killing Joke fans are just waiting to make sure the
> > band show up first."
> >
> > Alexander Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > Ahoy Gang.....
> > >
> > > Sorry to be so in and out of the proceedings these days. There have
> > > been lots of silly conversations I've wanted to hijack of late, but
> > > I'm running around like a madman. In any case, I just wanted to get a
> > > rough idea. I know Mik & Milinda are in, but who else is planning on
> > > catching the Joke's show in NYC in October??? Show of hands, please.
> > >
> > > Alex iN NYC
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From cliffmonka at alaska.net  Sat Sep  6 00:11:17 2008
From: cliffmonka at alaska.net (cliffmonka at alaska.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:11:17 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
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they still call u woody,ya pervert,haha.
well this news blows chunks,hope gets resolved soon,waiting too long for this film.


> i had a third party once
> that was more than sixteen years ago, mind
>
> Phillipps Marc wrote:
>>> Negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is # > uncomfortable
>>> >working with.
>>>
>>
>> I wonder who the third party is?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
>> Behalf Of Edita Hornov??
>> Sent: 04 September 2008 08:12
>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>> Subject: [kj] Fwd: The Brat Agency Announce ....
>>
>> Official Statement from the TDARS film co-producers:
>>
>> #
>> # >
>> # >
>> # > Please be advised that The Brat Agency announce their withdrawal as
>> # > co-producers of The Death and Resurrection Show documentary. The
>> # > decision to withdraw is not taken lightly and is based around some
>> # > negotiations with a Third Party that The Brat Agency is
>> # > uncomfortable working with.
>> #
>> # > This does not involve The Brat Agency's relationship with Jaz
>> # > Coleman and Killing Joke. Given we can get some clarity around
>> # > these issues The Brat Agency will be more than happy to continue.
>> #
>> # >
>> # > There is still plenty of work for The Brat Agency to get into and
>> # > we hope to work in the future alongside other projects in the Jaz
>> # > Coleman/Killing Joke camp.
>> # >
>> # >
>> # >  Cheers,
>> # >  Carla and Michelle
>> # >
>> # >
>> # >
>> # >>> Michelle Bakker
>> # >>> The Brat Agency
>> # >>> P- 64 21-656 200
>> # >>> E- michelle at thebratagency.com
>> # >>>
>> # >>> www.myspace.com/thebratagency
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>
>> # >>>>
>> # >>>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >>>
>> # >
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sat Sep  6 02:20:08 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:20:08 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
In-Reply-To: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D301@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.intern
	al>
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Whenever I find out that someone else has beaten to me a Soundgardener
username, I email them to let them know they're pretenders to the
throne...

> Well, I didn't think people would already have my preferred username!
>
>
>
> ChoonyFish is not available... choonyfish is not available...
> Choony.Fish is not available
>
>
>
> How odd. Why would anyone else want that?  Wonder how they thought of
> it?
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc
> Sent: 05 September 2008 10:45
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
>
>
>
>>Which free web based email would you recommend?
>
>
>
> I have been with Gmail from the start and never had any problems with
> them, the space and filters are good and there are a lot of things you
> can do with the account (POP forwarding etc)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> On Behalf Of Janean Lancaster
> Sent: 05 September 2008 10:33
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
>
>
>
> Hi Peeps,
>
>
>
> I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.
>
>
>
> Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
> Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want to
> start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Janean
>
>
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sat Sep  6 02:24:46 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:24:46 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: Music and personality
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Instant problem I can think of is that those categories are relatively
arbitrary for starters, and some people have tastes that span many
categories...I'm dubious. Perhaps there are some valid results in there
tho.

> load of bollx
> who paid them to do that shite?
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:50 AM, nicholas fitzpatrick
> <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Going by this study published on the BBC, most of us here are probably
>> not hardworking (Indie fans) and have low self-esteem (metal fans). But
>> we have our qualities too!
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7598549.stm
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sat Sep  6 02:32:41 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:32:41 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
In-Reply-To: <0K6Q00DKY7SHDNV0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <5E4559678712AB4DB690497BBEA99CCE0232D2FD@MIDDSTAFFMAIL.hopwood.internal>
	<62846.203.210.68.145.1220607302.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
	<0K6Q00DKY7SHDNV0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <4163.59.167.234.145.1220682761.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Thier whole business model is more fragile than many realise. Anyone could
come up with the better search engine any day and out-Google
Google...except insofar as a % of people have become so used to Googling
that it's now synonymous with web searching.

Over time they are diversifying into other markets, I'm keen to give their
new browser, Chrome, a try. I think they are the lesser of 2 evils.

Then again, Microsoft is giving away an awful lot of $ through their charity.

> But who keeps Google in check?
>
> At 05:35 AM 9/5/2008, Brendan wrote:
>>If you want to use it at work make sure it's one you can access through
>>the company system, test it out first. Other than that the limits these
>>days are crazy, Gmail is at least 2GB, hotmail is 5 last time I checked
>>but I don't like Micro$oft.
>>
>>I'd recommend Google (gmail), only real company that can keep Microsoft
>> in
>>check...their anti-spam is good too. They also offer loads of other
>>services on top of gmail...
>>
>> > Hi Peeps,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
>> > Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want
>> to
>> > start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Janean
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > Gathering at misera.net
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>>
>>
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> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
> Darwinism.
> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> player.
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sat Sep  6 02:42:04 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:42:04 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] [OT] New Metallica
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c90f8f$7dd8f400$798adc00$@com>
References: <BLU108-W31F7AA54BF701B9D512A45BE580@phx.gbl>
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I saw Unforgiven III on the track list and killed my browser instantly. St
Anger was awful, couldn't give it away. Wouldn't bother with them again
short of hearing something great by chance.

> Anyone heard it? Any views?
>
> It sounds great to me, and it's especially pleasing to hear drums that
> don't
> sound like pan lids again. Thought "Monster" was one of the funniest films
> I've ever seen.
>
> Darren
> Hungerford, UK
>
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 02:55:57 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:55:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] [OT] New Metallica
In-Reply-To: <4185.59.167.234.145.1220683324.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <994623.91698.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Have you heard the new Metallica cover of "Whiteout?"
?
?
?
8)
?
kj/jk
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] New Metallica
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke "" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 11:42 PM

I saw Unforgiven III on the track list and killed my browser instantly. St
Anger was awful, couldn't give it away. Wouldn't bother with them again
short of hearing something great by chance.

> Anyone heard it? Any views?
>
> It sounds great to me, and it's especially pleasing to hear drums that
> don't
> sound like pan lids again. Thought "Monster" was one of the
funniest films
> I've ever seen.
>
> Darren
> Hungerford, UK
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sat Sep  6 02:56:52 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:56:52 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] [OT] New Metallica
In-Reply-To: <994623.91698.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4185.59.167.234.145.1220683324.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
	<994623.91698.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4293.59.167.234.145.1220684212.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Hraggy?

> Have you heard the new Metallica cover of "Whiteout?"
> ?
> ?
> ?
> 8)
> ?
> kj/jk
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>
> [looking at the current?state of things]
>
> 'Save me...
> ? save me?from Tomorrow..
> ?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'??
>
> --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:
>
> From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] New Metallica
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke "" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 11:42 PM
>
> I saw Unforgiven III on the track list and killed my browser instantly. St
> Anger was awful, couldn't give it away. Wouldn't bother with them again
> short of hearing something great by chance.
>
>> Anyone heard it? Any views?
>>
>> It sounds great to me, and it's especially pleasing to hear drums that
>> don't
>> sound like pan lids again. Thought "Monster" was one of the
> funniest films
>> I've ever seen.
>>
>> Darren
>> Hungerford, UK
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Gathering mailing list
>> Gathering at misera.net
>> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 02:58:54 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT: Music and personality
In-Reply-To: <4137.59.167.234.145.1220682286.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <118094.67834.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That list is missing a Postpunk-esp.-Killing Joke category...? 


?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Music and personality
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 11:24 PM

Instant problem I can think of is that those categories are relatively
arbitrary for starters, and some people have tastes that span many
categories...I'm dubious. Perhaps there are some valid results in there
tho.

> load of bollx
> who paid them to do that shite?
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:50 AM, nicholas fitzpatrick
> <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Going by this study published on the BBC, most of us here are probably
>> not hardworking (Indie fans) and have low self-esteem (metal fans).
But
>> we have our qualities too!
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7598549.stm
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sat Sep  6 03:05:32 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:05:32 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon
Message-ID: <4304.59.167.234.145.1220684732.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Surprisingly apocalyptic attitude from a mainstream site. Bit technical
but that's the field I suppose. Was forwarded this by my old boss at the
bank in NZ. He seems very canny in terms of knowing what's going on. Sold
his house just before the $hit hit the fan over here, exactly on the peak
actually. Warned me than of what was coming, told me to put everything I
have in cash. According to some the worst has passed.

According to others it hasn't really started...

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6048.html








From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 03:13:22 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:13:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon
In-Reply-To: <4304.59.167.234.145.1220684732.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <265749.78256.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Surely this won't affect progress on The [kj]?Island, will it? 
?
?
?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:05 AM

Surprisingly apocalyptic attitude from a mainstream site. Bit technical
but that's the field I suppose. Was forwarded this by my old boss at the
bank in NZ. He seems very canny in terms of knowing what's going on. Sold
his house just before the $hit hit the fan over here, exactly on the peak
actually. Warned me than of what was coming, told me to put everything I
have in cash. According to some the worst has passed.

According to others it hasn't really started...

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6048.html







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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sat Sep  6 03:32:23 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:32:23 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon
In-Reply-To: <265749.78256.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4304.59.167.234.145.1220684732.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
	<265749.78256.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4422.59.167.234.145.1220686343.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>

Current donations to the island fund are $NZ0.00, not sure how that
translates into Euro though...

*passes joker donation hat around*

> Surely this won't affect progress on The [kj]?Island, will it?
> ?
> ?
> ?
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>
> [looking at the current?state of things]
>
> 'Save me...
> ? save me?from Tomorrow..
> ?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'??
>
> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:
>
> From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:05 AM
>
> Surprisingly apocalyptic attitude from a mainstream site. Bit technical
> but that's the field I suppose. Was forwarded this by my old boss at the
> bank in NZ. He seems very canny in terms of knowing what's going on. Sold
> his house just before the $hit hit the fan over here, exactly on the peak
> actually. Warned me than of what was coming, told me to put everything I
> have in cash. According to some the worst has passed.
>
> According to others it hasn't really started...
>
> http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6048.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From woody2shooz at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 03:33:18 2008
From: woody2shooz at gmail.com (woody2shooz)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:33:18 +0100
Subject: [kj] The Japan Times Online
In-Reply-To: <91476d3f0809042327x16991d89vce5c8eb672d1d1fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <91476d3f0809042327x16991d89vce5c8eb672d1d1fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48C2323E.6090609@gmail.com>

> What Coleman plans to rant about this time, however, remains to be seen. 
Great closing sentiment. How about a Gathering Guessing Game?


vaio719 wrote:
> Killing Joke | The Japan Times Online
> http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fm20080905l1.html
>
>
> 9.11-12 = (JP) Tokyo, Duo
> http://www.creativeman.co.jp/FRONTpages/english.html
> http://www.duomusicexchange.com/
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sat Sep  6 03:37:27 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:37:27 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] The Japan Times Online
In-Reply-To: <48C2323E.6090609@gmail.com>
References: <91476d3f0809042327x16991d89vce5c8eb672d1d1fc@mail.gmail.com>
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Backhanders and salamanders.

>> What Coleman plans to rant about this time, however, remains to be seen.
> Great closing sentiment. How about a Gathering Guessing Game?
>
>
> vaio719 wrote:
>> Killing Joke | The Japan Times Online
>> http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fm20080905l1.html
>>
>>
>> 9.11-12 = (JP) Tokyo, Duo
>> http://www.creativeman.co.jp/FRONTpages/english.html
>> http://www.duomusicexchange.com/
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 04:24:44 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:24:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] semi OT - Natacha Atlas Tour 2008
Message-ID: <326947.56255.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

?? Anyone know if Natacha Atlas is going to tour the U.S. for her new album 
'Ana Hina'?this year? I've only found 1 date in da' NYC on TicketBasterd, 
nothing on Pollstar.com or either her website or her MySpace - but the public radio 
station here in Los Angeles?[KCRW] is saying they (somehow) know of her 
touring?the u.s. around October***.
? Given her last Los Angeles date was cancelled (in '06, i think) 
I hope she makes it this time.
?
?
***that would make it Juno Reactor - TSOL - 
? ?Shiny Toy Guns - Killing Joke - VNV Nation 
?? and The Damned all in the same 30 day timespan.... shweeet!......

?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 


      
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 06:14:49 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:14:49 +0000
Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon
In-Reply-To: <4422.59.167.234.145.1220686343.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
References: <4304.59.167.234.145.1220684732.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
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	<4422.59.167.234.145.1220686343.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <BLU108-W6D941765D8DCCFEEB9A12BE5B0@phx.gbl>


 
 
 
     I'll donate some of my time and my building expertise
 
 
 
 
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:32:23 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon> > Current donations to the island fund are $NZ0.00, not sure how that> translates into Euro though...> > *passes joker donation hat around*> > > Surely this won't affect progress on The [kj] Island, will it?> >  > >  > >  > > ... ... ... ... ... ...> >> > [looking at the current state of things]> >> > 'Save me...> >   save me from Tomorrow..> >    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'  > >> > --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:> >> > From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>> > Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon> > To: gathering at misera.net> > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:05 AM> >> > Surprisingly apocalyptic attitude from a mainstream site. Bit technical> > but that's the field I suppose. Was forwarded this by my old boss at the> > bank in NZ. He seems very canny in terms of knowing what's going on. Sold> > his house just before the $hit hit the fan over here, exactly on the peak> > actually. Warned me than of what was coming, told me to put everything I> > have in cash. According to some the worst has passed.> >> > According to others it hasn't really started...> >> > http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6048.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 06:13:05 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:13:05 +0000
Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon
In-Reply-To: <4304.59.167.234.145.1220684732.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
References: <4304.59.167.234.145.1220684732.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
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We are at the beginnings of a big  recession, seems like that its worldwide as well . 
The American mortgage markets collapse seems to be the cause of the World recession .
Prices of necessary commodities are rising in the U.K and bills are going up and wages are not rising to match these price increases. 
   People therefore have higher living expenses and therefore they have less money to spend , so they cut back on unnecessary expenses, like coffees from coffee shops and such things , so the services industry sees a fall in income and cuts back on its staff .
   The building industry has collapsed in the U.K. and that is always the first industry to go, the other industries follow .
   Tighten your belts everyone.....this is going to be a long one
 
 
 
 
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:05:32 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon> > Surprisingly apocalyptic attitude from a mainstream site. Bit technical> but that's the field I suppose. Was forwarded this by my old boss at the> bank in NZ. He seems very canny in terms of knowing what's going on. Sold> his house just before the $hit hit the fan over here, exactly on the peak> actually. Warned me than of what was coming, told me to put everything I> have in cash. According to some the worst has passed.> > According to others it hasn't really started...> > http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6048.html> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 06:19:48 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:19:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] Wire Touring
Message-ID: <43795.84778.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Check it out y'all!

WIRE hit gay PARIS same day as KJ Pandemonium!



 Sept 09: The Cockpit, Leeds, UK  
 
Sept 10: Rescue Rooms, Nottingham, UK  
 
Sept 11: The Arches, Glasgow, UK  
 
Sept 12: Academy 3, Manchester, UK  
 

Sept 19: Melkweg , Amsterdam, Netherlands  
 
Sept 20: Minnemeers , Gent, Belgium  
 
Sept 21: ZXZW festival, Tilburg, Netherlands  
 
Sept 22: Botanique, Brussels, Belgium  
 

Sept 26: Festival L'Ososphere at the Laiterie, Strasbourg, France  
 
Sept 27: La Maroquinerie, Paris, France 
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From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:22:04 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] Nuclear Bore
In-Reply-To: <668A1CB2989A4C8E8978C4FF632A4749@edweil>
Message-ID: <98295.30590.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

The surgeon sucks seeds...

Shame daer ol' Vlad didn't nuke Georgia while that turd Chainy was poncing about there!

--- On Sat, 6/9/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

> From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
> To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 12:53 AM
> It was really a no-win situation for Obama, but I least give
> him credit for even sitting across from Uncle Pervy! ; ) 
> 
> k.w.
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: sade1 
>   To: gathering 
>   Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:32 PM
>   Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
> 
> 
>         Wtf?
> 
>         Obama: Surge Succeeded 
>         Beyond ?Wildest Dreams?
>         by FOXNews.com
>         Thursday, September 4, 2008 [Re: Obama's
> interview with Bill O'Reilly today]
>        
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/
> 
>          'Thus Spake Bama'thustra, O verily yea
> unto Man' - on Fox Tv:
> 
>         ?...the surge has succeeded...it?s succeeded
> beyond our wildest dreams.?  [not my dreams 
>                                                            
> (or many officials and journos' who wrote so, too).]
> 
>         "The Islamic republic [of Iran] is a ?major
> threat.?  [It isn't.]
> 
>         "I will never hesitate to use our military
> force...to protect the homeland... [dude,
> "homeland"?]
> 
>         ?..'absolutely' believes the United
> States is fighting a War  on Terror, with the enemy being,
>           'Al Qaeda, the Taliban,  a whole host of
> networks that are bent on attacking America, 
>           who have a distorted ideology, who have perverted
> the faith of Islam.' ? [dude, you're Bush
>         2, maaan...You're scary.]
> 
>         =:~o
> 
>            Earlier a few months back, about getting oil
> from just offshore, 
>         Obama was going on about "to drill, or not to
> drill; okay, we drill," now 
>         he's also saying, "Hark! what surge in
> yonder wildest dreams..."
> 
>            So one girl steps into the ring and stitches
> back on the Republicans' balls 
>         allowing their elephant to raise its mighty trunk
> again, and the Dems are all 
>         sent scurrying in a dizzying panic (by what was a
> stunning and impressive 
>         speech by Palin) - throwing money at Obama's
> campaign thinking that cash is 
>         the solution...
> 
> 
>           About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
>           How primitive do you have to be that they have to
> actually spell out 
>         the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your
> TelemPrompter so that you 
>         absolutely, positively nail and get it right?
> [video/evidence]
> 
> 
>         ... ... ... ... ... ... 
> 
>         [looking at the current state of things]
> 
>         'Save me...
>           save me from Tomorrow..
>            I don't want to sail in this Ship Of
> Fools...!'    
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 06:30:10 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:30:10 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] 80's.................I'm living
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W55CD5683970964D59B3020BE580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <909284.33703.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


> How old is Jaz now, 

666


      

From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 06:27:23 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:27:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c90f98$fc9d1b50$0200000a@jo>
Message-ID: <455251.77287.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Listen to the SOUND
endless construction
INSIDE THE TERMITE MOUND

>   fluke fluke wrote: 
>     "Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids
> playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn
> mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional
> blast et al - within reason."
> 
> 
> 
>     Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone
> else does .
>     Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means
> make as much noise as you like, but you shouldnt disturb
> everyone else in the process .
>        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>     From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
>     To: gathering at misera.net
>     Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100
>     Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
> 
> 
>     Bollocks!
>     Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
>     He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to
> the extent that his methods of social control include using
> explosives because the authorities have told him that there
> isn't an issue in the sane world.  I'm considering
> (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he
> continues to use such threatening behaviour.  
>     There are legimitate noise complaints and then there
> are the forces of noisephobics.  The latter being mostly
> self obsessed twats.
>     Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing,
> music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers
> mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et
> al - within reason.  Those who can't cope with that joie
> de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over
> others.  It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I
> say so' regime.
>     If their personal problems are really that big then
> they should live in their own village.
>     Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal
> with my neighbours' sons drumming et al, either that or
> work on my tolerance levels.  Let people living their lives
> and having fun be.  
>     Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol
> 
> 
> 
>       You have caused this guy to act this way because of
> your barking dogs ?
>       You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per
> day , but if that were the case, then the other guy
> wouldn't be acting the way that he is . 
>          The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house
> if it was just for ten minutes a  day .
>       Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And
> you accuse other people who complain about loud music as
> having "insomniacal neurosis " and you say that
> this is the reason as to why they complain . 
>           They aren't complaining because they have
> insomniacal neurosis , they are complaining because the
> music is annoying . It is irresponsible and anti social to
> subject your neighbours to such an extent that they have to
> take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .
>           It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate
> neighbours .
>        
>        
>        
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>       From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
>       To: gathering at misera.net
>       Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
>       Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
> 
> 
> 
>       What about, 'if you don't like loud music,
> wear ear-muffs or get yourself a deprivision tank?'
>       Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it
> too much their own way.
>       Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out
> on other people.  Fuck that! - they'd complain about
> their neighbours farting given half the chance and
> they're given way too much power these days.
>       We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the
> dogs barking. Which is for all of ten minutes a day,
> collectively when they're getting tacked up for their
> walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to
> us. The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's
> out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry,
> he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs bark, he shoots
> a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the
> neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a
> megaphone and yells at them.  He's even has a recording
> of barking which he pops into his car's boomer and
> drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs to yip
> so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on
> doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his
> loudspeaker at every opportunity.
>       Within reason, it's down to individual to sort
> out their social intolerances.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         If people want to listen to loud music, then why
> don't try do it through headphones ?
>         Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to
> other peoples music .
>           Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the
> correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is
> the way of dealing with the problem .
>          
>          
> 
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From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 06:37:04 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:37:04 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] Enabling
In-Reply-To: <118094.67834.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <109482.84100.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I highly recommend San Francisco band Enablers who were the best I ever saw them last night in Liverpool. Mugstar were also the best ever. Every night I rock rock rock, sometimes I just have to roll first to get there.

Life is OK!

But do watch out for that large hardon collider...


      

From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 06:41:10 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:41:10 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] My Delightful Downstairs Neighbour OT
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-W29D322B730E686C7CA0430ED5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <711446.54763.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

All my neighbours are having a very bad time...

I think the universe loves music!


--- On Wed, 3/9/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] My Delightful Downstairs Neighbour OT
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 5:00 PM
> Living in a downstairs apartment, I understand how music
> 'can' be annoying. Especially at 3am, when you have
> to get up at 6am. Most people can work around this, and I
> understand a person's need for tunage.
> Tell charlieboy he's slipping into psychosis, and next
> time your neighbour threatens violence, be prepared and
> record it..and do the bastard."
> 
> 
> 
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 06:46:39 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:46:39 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721A9@mr-pants.mshome.net>

Yep, the fucktard is back..

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of sade1
Sent: 06 September 2008 00:59
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........



> I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, 
 
It's him, It's him, i knew it!
 
 
 
 
Get him!  8P 
 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things]

'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
   I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   


--- On Fri, 9/5/08, woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com> wrote:


From: woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 1:18 PM


I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, and it's in your colour too

fluke fluke wrote: 

"Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason."
 
 
 
Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means make as much noise as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
   
 
 
 
 
  _____  

From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........


Bollocks!
Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his methods of social control include using explosives because the authorities have told him that there isn't an issue in the sane world.  I'm considering (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he continues to use such threatening behaviour.  
There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of noisephobics.  The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air, dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having the occasional blast et al - within reason.  Those who can't cope with that joie de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over others.  It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
If their personal problems are really that big then they should live in their own village.
Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' sons drumming et al, either that or work on my tolerance levels.  Let people living their lives and having fun be.  
Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol
 


You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?
You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if that were the case, then the other guy wouldn't be acting the way that he is . 
   The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just for ten minutes a  day .
Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse other people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal neurosis " and you say that this is the reason as to why they complain . 
    They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis , they are complaining because the music is annoying . It is irresponsible and anti social to subject your neighbours to such an extent that they have to take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .
    It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .
 
 
 



  _____  


From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........



What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself a deprivision tank?'
Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own way.
Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.  Fuck that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the chance and they're given way too much power these days.
We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're getting tacked up for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us. The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and yells at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every opportunity.
Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social intolerances.
 
 
 


If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through headphones ?
Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music .
  Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the problem .
 
 


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From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:05:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] Permaculture...........
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> From: iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 9:38 PM
> you misunderstand me and probably them, good question
> though.
> they dont not have electric supply, they just dont revolve
> everything
> around it. But ive been to houses with small generators,
> windmills,
> water wheels in one in the highlands (could work in wales
> right now)
> 
>
After all that flooding maybe the respectable unelected Prime Minister could set up a rev-you to look into Welsh wave power? 


      

From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 07:32:09 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:32:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] Guess Rant Gathering
In-Reply-To: <48C2323E.6090609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <245919.41996.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


> > What Coleman plans to rant about this time, however,
> remains to be seen. 
> Great closing sentiment. How about a Gathering Guessing
> Game?
> 


Large Hardon Collider
&
A Jew on a Motorbike


      

From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 07:34:21 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:34:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] Perm a cunt ur
In-Reply-To: <1646350c0809050420g14121d4r9a7cf73329f34ade@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <702929.63438.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

How loud is a 'reasonable volume'?

How loud does one have to blast music in order to enter an irrational domain?

--- On Fri, 5/9/08, iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 12:20 PM
> no, i dont think primitive, sustainable without being slaves
> to big
> corporations - gas electric etc
> they still play music (at reasonable volumes) etc
> 
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:11 PM, fluke fluke
> <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Is it part of some peoples desire to go back to a
> primitive existence ?
> > Living in tents, tree houses or caves and  drinking
> rain water ?
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From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 07:27:43 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:27:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
In-Reply-To: <72DAD3BF42F04933A9CCB38E3AF9441A@edweil>
Message-ID: <545320.38114.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Whereas I think Jiri is a whinging like a stuck record.
No matter what KJ do Jiri seems to love bitching about it.


--- On Sat, 6/9/08, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

> From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 1:01 AM
> Think you're spot-on with your observations. 
> 
> k.w.
> The States
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Christof hamille 
>   To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:37 PM
>   Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
> 
> 
>   I have to be honest the prospects of them performing this
> or that albumin its entirety does not thrill me at all.
> 
>   1. They typically play a lot of stuff off s/t and a good
> number of wtf anyway.  And while I like Pandemonium playing
> the entire album again (they practically did for the tour)
> isn't necessary.  If you want I'd rather hear
> Democracy.  never heard any of it live.
> 
>   2. There are plenty of great albums that get ignored all
> together.  Extremities.  People.  How long have we been
> bitching about not hearing any of it.  And while I
> didn't care, much, for Hosannas I would like to hear the
> live translation of 2 songs (TOPS).
> 
>   3. Couldn't/shouldn't they play proper homage to
> Raven?  Yeah I know this tour exists because of him.  And
> yeah you'll probably hear Love Like Blood and maybe
> Kings and Queens or Eighties.  But really.  Lets pay proper
> respect and play something other then the obvious hits. 
> Paul played plenty of Youth tracks that weren't hits.
> 
>   4.  Killing Joke, in my opinion, were never one of those
> bands that had to rely on 2-3 records to sustain their
> career.  Maybe I am too big of a fan.  But If I had to give
> someone a single KJ album to give them an idea of how they
> sound I couldn't.  Bands are doing this type of thing
> all the time.  Sometimes it is to celebrate an album
> anniversary.  Sometimes it is to remind the public of how
> they became famous.  Or sometimes the album, by itself, is a
> defining moment (ala Sgt Peppers).  roger Waters did it with
> the Wall.  Cheap Trick did it with the first 3 lps.  Melvins
> with Houdini.  etc etc etc.
> 
>   The one advantage that I see of this rather lax schedule
> is that Jaz shouldn't have an issue of his
> "voice".  I never read that Geordies fingers hurt
> 
>   ;)
> 
>   Chris
> 
>   > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:14:34 -0500
>   > From: unspeakable at sbcglobal.net
>   > To: gathering at misera.net
>   > Subject: Re: [kj] KJ IN NYC 2008
>   > 
>   > >>who else is planning on catching the
> Joke's show in NYC in October??? 
>   > Show of hands, please.
>   > 
>   > *raises hand*
>   > *raises wife's hand, which fights the second
> night*
>   > 
>   > Any bets from anyone on:
>   > -If the whole tour will happen as scheduled?
>   > -If they will stick to the stated idea of KJ80 &
> WTF on night 1, 
>   > Pandemonium on night 2? Somehow I see that changing.
> Looking forward to 
>   > the early gig reports.
>   > 
>   > If L.A.'s House of Blues gets nervous about
> ticket sales, someone should 
>   > explain to them: "Killing Joke fans are just
> waiting to make sure the 
>   > band show up first."
>   > 
>   > Alexander Smith wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Ahoy Gang.....
>   > >
>   > > Sorry to be so in and out of the proceedings
> these days. There have 
>   > > been lots of silly conversations I've
> wanted to hijack of late, but 
>   > > I'm running around like a madman. In any
> case, I just wanted to get a 
>   > > rough idea. I know Mik & Milinda are in,
> but who else is planning on 
>   > > catching the Joke's show in NYC in
> October??? Show of hands, please.
>   > >
>   > > Alex iN NYC
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 08:50:41 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:50:41 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
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After the EULA fiasco for chrome I'm not so sure they can be called 
the lesser....

At 02:32 AM 9/6/2008, Brendan wrote:
>Thier whole business model is more fragile than many realise. Anyone could
>come up with the better search engine any day and out-Google
>Google...except insofar as a % of people have become so used to Googling
>that it's now synonymous with web searching.
>
>Over time they are diversifying into other markets, I'm keen to give their
>new browser, Chrome, a try. I think they are the lesser of 2 evils.
>
>Then again, Microsoft is giving away an awful lot of $ through their charity.
>
> > But who keeps Google in check?
> >
> > At 05:35 AM 9/5/2008, Brendan wrote:
> >>If you want to use it at work make sure it's one you can access through
> >>the company system, test it out first. Other than that the limits these
> >>days are crazy, Gmail is at least 2GB, hotmail is 5 last time I checked
> >>but I don't like Micro$oft.
> >>
> >>I'd recommend Google (gmail), only real company that can keep Microsoft
> >> in
> >>check...their anti-spam is good too. They also offer loads of other
> >>services on top of gmail...
> >>
> >> > Hi Peeps,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
> >> > Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want
> >> to
> >> > start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Janean
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Gathering mailing list
> >> > Gathering at misera.net
> >> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Gathering mailing list
> >>Gathering at misera.net
> >>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> >
> > Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
> > Darwinism.
> > We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> > else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> > contribute
> > to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> > unethical, while
> > a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> > spirit of diversity,
> > inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> > Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> > player.
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player.  
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 09:48:27 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:48:27 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721AA@mr-pants.mshome.net>

It's just safari with a different skin. Oops..

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: 06 September 2008 13:51
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: which free webmail?


After the EULA fiasco for chrome I'm not so sure they can be called the lesser....

At 02:32 AM 9/6/2008, Brendan wrote:


Thier whole business model is more fragile than many realise. Anyone could
come up with the better search engine any day and out-Google
Google...except insofar as a % of people have become so used to Googling
that it's now synonymous with web searching.

Over time they are diversifying into other markets, I'm keen to give their
new browser, Chrome, a try. I think they are the lesser of 2 evils.

Then again, Microsoft is giving away an awful lot of $ through their charity.

> But who keeps Google in check?
>
> At 05:35 AM 9/5/2008, Brendan wrote:
>>If you want to use it at work make sure it's one you can access through
>>the company system, test it out first. Other than that the limits these
>>days are crazy, Gmail is at least 2GB, hotmail is 5 last time I checked
>>but I don't like Micro$oft.
>>
>>I'd recommend Google (gmail), only real company that can keep Microsoft
>> in
>>check...their anti-spam is good too. They also offer loads of other
>>services on top of gmail...
>>
>> > Hi Peeps,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work address.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail, Hotmail,
>> > Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't want
>> to
>> > start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Janean
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Gathering mailing list
>> > Gathering at misera.net
>> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>> >
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Gathering mailing list
>>Gathering at misera.net
>>  <http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>
> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
> Darwinism.
> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> player.
> _______________________________________________
> Gathering mailing list
> Gathering at misera.net
> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>


_______________________________________________
Gathering mailing list
Gathering at misera.net
http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player. 

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From crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 10:39:10 2008
From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk (Change)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:39:10 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] Kristin Hersh's Sady Circle
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Sat here eating tabouleh in the Liverpool anarchist social centre, listening to English Civil War by The Clash, I felt an urge to forward a message from that wonderful woman Kristin Hersh. So here it is... again...


  Hi Pals,



People often ask us why we never play in their town and we have to answer, " 'Cause we weren't invited!". Then they say, "I'm inviting you!", at which point we find ourselves wishing it were that simple.



Promoters need to make offers, venues have to be available and willing to open a date, and calculations need to be made by others to evaluate profit-potential and risk. In other words, "ready and willing to play" doesn't always do it.



While it will probably never be as simple as "your wish is our
command", we'd like to see things things head in that direction. The
power structure in the live music business is just as influenced by
"gatekeepers" as it is in recorded music. We have a problem with this.



Again, the CASH way of doing things is our answer. Finding ways to
distribute the power and responsibility among all "stakeholders",
sharing ideas and decision-making with the listener/audience is once
more the answer. This time though, in the area of live performance.



Kristin's new project, "The Shady Circle" is all about people. The
traditional music that is the core of this show only lives today
because? people carried it from town to town and through generations.
It was music created in and meant for living rooms and front porches.
It is the kind of music that Lawrence Lessig has spoken about in talks
like as this one:



Lessig Talk



Every year we find it harder and harder to afford to play for people
who want to hear the music. Now, with the high price of fuel and low
guarantees from clubs, the situation is coming to a head. We at CASH
are all about sustainability in music because unsustainability is
unacceptable. Good music must happen to people.



We're formally introducing "The Shady Circle" -- an old idea that
worked then and should work now, bringing music and performance
directly to people's homes. To provide a close-up, hi-res view of the
music as it's played for people in small groups. When this happens,
when people experience "music in the room" with them -- when music
fills the space between people, like water in a swimming pool -- we
believe it will underscore just how important and powerful music can be.



Songs are for people. We'll take songs from town to town,
house to house -- making special evenings happen for small gatherings.
House concerts, for groups of at least 20 or so, throughout the
country, throughout the year, regardless of release and promo
schedules, presented by musical ambassadors to their own communities.
Events not driven by beer sales and late nights, but rather by the
sharing of music between friends and families, children and adults,
people familiar with Kristin and those not yet aware of her. And we
think these traditional songs are a great way to introduce new folks to
KH.



So this is a solicitation. You're invited to submit inquiries and ideas
for your own "Shady Circle" performance, in your house or hall. We'll
help guide the process, collaborating with you to ensure a successful
night for all of us.



Every performance will be recorded simply -- and these recordings will
be your property, to be used as you see fit. They can be licensed via
Creative Commons and re-posted and distributed on the Internet, they
may be burned as CDs and shared or even sold. Up to you. CASH Music
will provide support for "The Shady Circle" as well -- allowing people
to share info, post photos, recordings, etc. More on that soon.



This is only the beginning of a grass roots effort that we'd like to
see grow over the years -- a way for you to bring Kristin to your
friends, family and neighbors, a way to empower the most enthusiastic
supporters of Kristin's art who have been looking for ways to get
involved? -- the center of a new spiral.



Interested folks should contact us here:



kristinhersh at cashmusic.org



Your proposals will be paid immediate attention and we'll begin
scheduling a North American calendar, ASAP. Dates will be scheduled
according to routing and availability to minimize expenses. Where
expense is not an issue, our availability is much more fluid.



Please note: We'll be building a calendar in North America first, but would like to offer shows in other territories eventually.



To acquaint yourself with the world of house concerts check out the following helpful links:



Wikipedia



HouseConcerts.com



Lots of love,



Billy + Kristin



      
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 11:49:45 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:49:45 +0000
Subject: [kj] Perm a cunt ur
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If I can hear it..................then I consider that to be an  unreasonable volume.
If I cant heat it....then its reasonable
 
 
 
 
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:34:21 +0000> From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Perm a cunt ur> > How loud is a 'reasonable volume'?> > How loud does one have to blast music in order to enter an irrational domain?> > --- On Fri, 5/9/08, iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com> wrote:> > > From: iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Permaculture...........> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>> > Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 12:20 PM> > no, i dont think primitive, sustainable without being slaves> > to big> > corporations - gas electric etc> > they still play music (at reasonable volumes) etc> > > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:11 PM, fluke fluke> > <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Is it part of some peoples desire to go back to a> > primitive existence ?> > > Living in tents, tree houses or caves and drinking> > rain water ?> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 14:04:00 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:04:00 +0000
Subject: [kj] Enabling
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"I highly recommend San Francisco band Enablers who were the best I ever saw them last night in Liverpool. .................But do watch out for that large hardon " 
       That good were they ?
 
 
 
 
 
 
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:37:04 +0000
> From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] Enabling> > I highly recommend San Francisco band Enablers who were the best I ever saw them last night in Liverpool. Mugstar were also the best ever. Every night I rock rock rock, sometimes I just have to roll first to get there.> > Life is OK!> > But do watch out for that large hardon collider...> > > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From LONESTYLE at aol.com  Sat Sep  6 15:18:16 2008
From: LONESTYLE at aol.com (LONESTYLE at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:18:16 EDT
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
Message-ID: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>

Check this one out...
 
~LB
 
 
> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> banned  from the
> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official  minutes
> of the Library
> Board. When she was unsuccessful at  having these books
> banned, she tried to
> have the librarian  fired.
> 
> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for  book
> burners.
> 
> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony  Burgess
>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine  L'Engle
>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>    As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>   Blubber by Judy  Blume
>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>    Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>   Canterbury Tales  by Geoffrey Chaucer
>   Carrie by Stephen  King
>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>   Christine  by Stephen King
>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques  Rousseau
>   Cujo by Stephen King
>   Curses,  Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>   Daddy's Roommate by  Michael Willhoite
>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert  Peck
>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur  Miller
>   Decameron by Boccaccio
>   East of  Eden by John Steinbeck
>   Fallen Angels by Walter  Myers
>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by  John
> Cleland
>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel  Keyes
>   Forever by Judy Blume
>   Grendel by  John Champlin Gardner
>   Halloween ABC by Eve  Merriam
>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K.  Rowling
>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K.  Rowling
>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K.  Rowling
>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K.  Rowling
>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>    Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>   How to Eat Fried  Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark  Twain
>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya  Angelou
>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>    In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>   It's Okay if You  Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>   James and the Giant Peach by  Roald Dahl
>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H.  Lawrence
>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>    Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>   Lord of  the Flies by William Golding
>   Love is One of the Choices by  Norma Klein
>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>    More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>   My Brother  Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> Christopher  Collier
>   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>   My  Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>   Night Chills by Dean  Koontz
>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>    On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>   One Day in The Life of Ivan  Denisovich by Alexander
> Solzhenitsyn
>   One Flew Over  The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>   One Hundred Years of Solitude  by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>   Ordinary People by Judith  Guest
>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>  Collective
>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>    Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales  to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> Schwartz
>   Scary Stories  in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>   Separate Peace by John  Knowles
>   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>    Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>   Tarzan of the Apes  by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn  by Mark Twain
>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark  Twain
>   The Bastard by John Jakes
>   The  Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>   The Chocolate War by  Robert Cormier
>   The Color Purple by Alice  Walker
>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick  Forsyth
>   The Figure in the Shadows by John  Bellairs
>   The Grapes of Wrath by John  Steinbeck
>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine  Paterson
>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret  Atwood
>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha  Snyder
>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>    The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>   The Merchant of Venice  by William Shakespeare
>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy  McCoy and Charles
> Wibbelsman
>   The Pigman by Paul  Zindel
>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence  Sanders
>   The Shining by Stephen King
>   The  Witches by Roald Dahl
>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha  Snyder
>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy  Blume
>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper  Lee
>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>    Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>  Merriam-Webster
>   Editorial Staff
>   Witches,  Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>  Halloween
>   Symbols by Edna  Barth







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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 15:24:30 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:24:30 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Cripes -- where did she find the time?

Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture  
Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.

If you care:

http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html

http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html

http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html

http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html

Alex in NYC



On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:

> Check this one out...
>
> ~LB
>
>
> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> > banned from the
> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
> > of the Library
> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
> > banned, she tried to
> > have the librarian fired.
> >
> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
> > burners.
> >
> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
> >   Carrie by Stephen King
> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
> >   Christine by Stephen King
> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
> >   Cujo by Stephen King
> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
> > Cleland
> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
> >   Forever by Judy Blume
> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> > Christopher Collier
> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
> > Solzhenitsyn
> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
> > Collective
> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> > Schwartz
> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
> > Wibbelsman
> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
> >   The Shining by Stephen King
> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
> > Merriam-Webster
> >   Editorial Staff
> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
> > Halloween
> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 15:29:34 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>
Message-ID: <12762.49939.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

?? I wonder what movies she thought of banning also, 
since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
..or better yet,
what does she restrict in her own family's home?
?
?
?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:

From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM



Check this one out...
?
~LB
?
?
> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> banned from the
> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
> of the Library
> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
> banned, she tried to
> have the librarian fired.
> 
> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
> burners.
> 
> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>?? A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>?? Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>?? As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>?? Blubber by Judy Blume
>?? Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>?? Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>?? Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>?? Carrie by Stephen King
>?? Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>?? Christine by Stephen King
>?? Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>?? Cujo by Stephen King
>?? Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>?? Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>?? Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>?? Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>?? Decameron by Boccaccio
>?? East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>?? Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>?? Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
> Cleland
>?? Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>?? Forever by Judy Blume
>?? Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>?? Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>?? Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>?? Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>?? Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>?? Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>?? Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>?? Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>?? How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>?? Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>?? I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>?? Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>?? In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>?? It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>?? James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>?? Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>?? Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>?? Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>?? Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>?? Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>?? Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>?? More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>?? My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> Christopher Collier
>?? My House by Nikki Giovanni
>?? My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>?? Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>?? Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>?? On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>?? One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
> Solzhenitsyn
>?? One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>?? One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>?? Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>?? Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
> Collective
>?? Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>?? Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>?? Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> Schwartz
>?? Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>?? Separate Peace by John Knowles
>?? Silas Marner by George Eliot
>?? Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>?? Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>?? The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>?? The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>?? The Bastard by John Jakes
>?? The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>?? The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>?? The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>?? The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>?? The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>?? The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>?? The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>?? The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>?? The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>?? The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>?? The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>?? The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>?? The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
> Wibbelsman
>?? The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>?? The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>?? The Shining by Stephen King
>?? The Witches by Roald Dahl
>?? The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>?? Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>?? To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>?? Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>?? Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
> Merriam-Webster
>?? Editorial Staff
>?? Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
> Halloween
>?? Symbols by Edna Barth


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From LONESTYLE at aol.com  Sat Sep  6 15:31:40 2008
From: LONESTYLE at aol.com (LONESTYLE at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:31:40 EDT
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
Message-ID: <d59.27cbe723.35f4349c@aol.com>

 
Alex,
 
This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her! 
 
By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She likes  
mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and did not like it. I  
cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs out. Thanks Alex.
 
~LB
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
vassifer at earthlink.net writes:

Cripes -- where did she find the time? 


Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture Palin"  
post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.


If you care:


_http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html_ 
(http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html) 


_http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html_ 
(http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html) 


_http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-tri
ck-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html_ 
(http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-qu
ick.html) 


_http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside
.html_ 
(http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html) 


Alex in NYC






On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, _LONESTYLE at aol.com_ (mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com)  
wrote:



Check this one out...
 
~LB
 
 
> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>  banned from the
> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official  minutes
> of the Library
> Board. When she was unsuccessful at  having these books
> banned, she tried to
> have the librarian  fired.
> 
> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for  book
> burners.
> 
> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony  Burgess
>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine  L'Engle
>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy  Garden
>   As I Lay Dying by William  Faulkner
>   Blubber by Judy Blume
>   Brave  New World by Aldous Huxley
>   Bridge to Terabithia by  Katherine Paterson
>   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey  Chaucer
>   Carrie by Stephen King
>    Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>   Christine by Stephen  King
>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques  Rousseau
>   Cujo by Stephen King
>    Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>   Daddy's  Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>   Day No Pigs Would Die by  Robert Peck
>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur  Miller
>   Decameron by Boccaccio
>   East  of Eden by John Steinbeck
>   Fallen Angels by Walter  Myers
>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by  John
> Cleland
>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel  Keyes
>   Forever by Judy Blume
>   Grendel  by John Champlin Gardner
>   Halloween ABC by Eve  Merriam
>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K.  Rowling
>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K.  Rowling
>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K.  Rowling
>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K.  Rowling
>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>    Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>   How to Eat  Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark  Twain
>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya  Angelou
>   Impressions edited by Jack  Booth
>   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice  Sendak
>   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma  Klein
>   James and the Giant Peach by Roald  Dahl
>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H.  Lawrence
>   Leaves of Grass by Walt  Whitman
>   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm  Grimm
>   Lord of the Flies by William  Golding
>   Love is One of the Choices by Norma  Klein
>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>    More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>   My  Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> Christopher  Collier
>   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>    My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>   Night Chills by Dean  Koontz
>   Of Mice and Men by John  Steinbeck
>   On My Honor by Marion Dane  Bauer
>   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by  Alexander
> Solzhenitsyn
>   One Flew Over The  Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>   One Hundred Years of Solitude  by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>   Ordinary People by Judith  Guest
>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's  Health
> Collective
>   Prince of Tides by Pat  Conroy
>   Revolting Rhymes by Roald  Dahl
>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by  Alvin
> Schwartz
>   Scary Stories in the Dark by  Alvin Schwartz
>   Separate Peace by John  Knowles
>   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>    Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>   Tarzan of the  Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>   The Adventures of  Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>   The Adventures of Tom  Sawyer by Mark Twain
>   The Bastard by John  Jakes
>   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D.  Salinger
>   The Chocolate War by Robert  Cormier
>   The Color Purple by Alice  Walker
>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick  Forsyth
>   The Figure in the Shadows by John  Bellairs
>   The Grapes of Wrath by John  Steinbeck
>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine  Paterson
>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret  Atwood
>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha  Snyder
>   The Learning Tree by Gordon  Parks
>   The Living Bible by William C.  Bower
>   The Merchant of Venice by William  Shakespeare
>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and  Charles
> Wibbelsman
>   The Pigman by Paul  Zindel
>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence  Sanders
>   The Shining by Stephen King
>    The Witches by Roald Dahl
>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha  Snyder
>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy  Blume
>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper  Lee
>   Twelfth Night by William  Shakespeare
>   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by  the
> Merriam-Webster
>   Editorial  Staff
>   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story  of the
> Halloween
>   Symbols by Edna  Barth







 
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From woody2shooz at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 15:36:48 2008
From: woody2shooz at gmail.com (woody2shooz)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:36:48 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <12762.49939.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <12762.49939.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48C2DBD0.2060608@gmail.com>

what does she restrict in her own family's home?

consistency and contraception apparently

sade1 wrote:
>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
> since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
> ..or better yet,
> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>  
>  
>  
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>
> /*[looking at the current state of things]*/
>
> 'Save me...
>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to /sail //in this Ship Of Fools...!'   /
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com /<LONESTYLE at aol.com>/* wrote:
>
>     From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>     Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>     To: gathering at misera.net
>     Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>
>     Check this one out...
>      
>     ~LB
>      
>      
>     > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>     > banned from the
>     > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>     > of the Library
>     > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>     > banned, she tried to
>     > have the librarian fired.
>     >
>     > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>     > burners.
>     >
>     > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>     >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>     >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>     >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>     >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>     >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>     >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>     >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>     >   Carrie by Stephen King
>     >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>     >   Christine by Stephen King
>     >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>     >   Cujo by Stephen King
>     >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>     >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>     >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>     >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>     >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>     >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>     >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>     >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>     > Cleland
>     >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>     >   Forever by Judy Blume
>     >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>     >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>     >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>     >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>     >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>     >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>     >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>     >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>     >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>     >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>     >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>     >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>     >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>     >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>     >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>     >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>     >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>     >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>     >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>     >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>     >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>     >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>     >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>     > Christopher Collier
>     >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>     >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>     >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>     >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>     >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>     >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>     > Solzhenitsyn
>     >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>     >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>     >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>     >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>     > Collective
>     >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>     >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>     >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>     > Schwartz
>     >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>     >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>     >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>     >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>     >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>     >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>     >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>     >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>     >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>     >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>     >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>     >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>     >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>     >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>     >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>     >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>     >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>     >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>     >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>     >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>     >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>     > Wibbelsman
>     >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>     >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>     >   The Shining by Stephen King
>     >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>     >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>     >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>     >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>     >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>     >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>     > Merriam-Webster
>     >   Editorial Staff
>     >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>     > Halloween
>     >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>
>
>          
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From a.tolksdorf at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 15:38:43 2008
From: a.tolksdorf at yahoo.co.uk (Alexandra Tolksdorf)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:38:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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>?? One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
?
WTF???!!!


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From countessghoulita at aol.com  Sat Sep  6 15:45:48 2008
From: countessghoulita at aol.com (countessghoulita at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:45:48 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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 hey, she could have started with "Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury.

History is repeating itself...


 

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From: LONESTYLE at aol.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:18 pm
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned














Check this one out...


?


~LB


?


?


> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> banned 
from the
> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official 
minutes
> of the Library
> Board. When she was unsuccessful at 
having these books
> banned, she tried to
> have the librarian 
fired.
> 
> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for 
book
> burners.
> 
> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony 
Burgess
>?? A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine 
L'Engle
>?? Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>?? 
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>?? Blubber by Judy 
Blume
>?? Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>?? 
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>?? Canterbury Tales 
by Geoffrey Chaucer
>?? Carrie by Stephen 
King
>?? Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>?? Christine 
by Stephen King
>?? Confessions by Jean-Jacques 
Rousseau
>?? Cujo by Stephen King
>?? Curses, 
Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>?? Daddy's Roommate by 
Michael Willhoite
>?? Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert 
Peck
>?? Death of a Salesman by Arthur 
Miller
>?? Decameron by Boccaccio
>?? East of 
Eden by John Steinbeck
>?? Fallen Angels by Walter 
Myers
>?? Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by 
John
> Cleland
>?? Flowers For Algernon by Daniel 
Keyes
>?? Forever by Judy Blume
>?? Grendel by 
John Champlin Gardner
>?? Halloween ABC by Eve 
Merriam
>?? Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. 
Rowling
>?? Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. 
Rowling
>?? Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. 
Rowling
>?? Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. 
Rowling
>?? Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>?? 
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>?? How to Eat Fried 
Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>?? Huckleberry Finn by Mark 
Twain
>?? I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya 
Angelou
>?? Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>?? 
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>?? It's Okay if You 
Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>?? James and the Giant Peach by 
Roald Dahl
>?? Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. 
Lawrence
>?? Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>?? 
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>?? Lord of 
the Flies by William Golding
>?? Love is One of the Choices by 
Norma Klein
>?? Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>?? 
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>?? My Brother 
Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> Christopher 
Collier
>?? My House by Nikki Giovanni
>?? My 
Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>?? Night Chills by Dean 
Koontz
>?? Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>?? 
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>?? One Day in The Life of Ivan 
Denisovich by Alexander
> Solzhenitsyn
>?? One Flew Over 
The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>?? One Hundred Years of Solitude 
by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>?? Ordinary People by Judith 
Guest
>?? Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
> 
Collective
>?? Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>?? 
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>?? Scary Stories 3: More Tales 
to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> Schwartz
>?? Scary Stories 
in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>?? Separate Peace by John 
Knowles
>?? Silas Marner by George Eliot
>?? 
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>?? Tarzan of the Apes 
by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>?? The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn 
by Mark Twain
>?? The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark 
Twain
>?? The Bastard by John Jakes
>?? The 
Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>?? The Chocolate War by 
Robert Cormier
>?? The Color Purple by Alice 
Walker
>?? The Devil's Alternative by Frederick 
Forsyth
>?? The Figure in the Shadows by John 
Bellairs
>?? The Grapes of Wrath by John 
Steinbeck
>?? The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine 
Paterson
>?? The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret 
Atwood
>?? The Headless Cupid by Zilpha 
Snyder
>?? The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>?? 
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>?? The Merchant of Venice 
by William Shakespeare
>?? The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy 
McCoy and Charles
> Wibbelsman
>?? The Pigman by Paul 
Zindel
>?? The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence 
Sanders
>?? The Shining by Stephen King
>?? The 
Witches by Roald Dahl
>?? The Witches of Worm by Zilpha 
Snyder
>?? Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy 
Blume
>?? To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper 
Lee
>?? Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>?? 
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
> 
Merriam-Webster
>?? Editorial Staff
>?? Witches, 
Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
> 
Halloween
>?? Symbols by Edna 
Barth


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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 16:05:31 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:05:31 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Michelle Malkin (shrill Republican lapdog pundit) has already refuted  
this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2075911/posts

...but it still fits the profile.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:29 PM, sade1 wrote:

>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
> since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
> ..or better yet,
> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>
>
>
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>
> [looking at the current state of things]
>
> 'Save me...
>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
> Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>
> Check this one out...
>
> ~LB
>
>
> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> > banned from the
> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
> > of the Library
> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
> > banned, she tried to
> > have the librarian fired.
> >
> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
> > burners.
> >
> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
> >   Carrie by Stephen King
> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
> >   Christine by Stephen King
> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
> >   Cujo by Stephen King
> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
> > Cleland
> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
> >   Forever by Judy Blume
> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> > Christopher Collier
> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
> > Solzhenitsyn
> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
> > Collective
> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> > Schwartz
> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
> > Wibbelsman
> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
> >   The Shining by Stephen King
> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
> > Merriam-Webster
> >   Editorial Staff
> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
> > Halloween
> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep  6 16:22:10 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:22:10 -0500
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this evil, 
hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I mean, 
LYSISTRATA? Banned?

Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a snopes.com 
check.

-Oliver

LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
> Check this one out...
>  
> ~LB
>  
>  
>


From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 16:41:37 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:41:37 +0000
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Well, I'll never be going to Wassila Public Library, so I couldnt give a fark about what books they ve got and what books they havent got .
 
 
 
 
 



From: LONESTYLE at aol.comDate: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:18:16 -0400To: gathering at misera.netSubject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned

Check this one out...
 
~LB
 
 
> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have> banned from the> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes> of the Library> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books> banned, she tried to> have the librarian fired.> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book> burners.> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden>   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner>   Blubber by Judy Blume>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley>   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson>   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer>   Carrie by Stephen King>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller>   Christine by Stephen King>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau>   Cujo by Stephen King>   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen>   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller>   Decameron by Boccaccio>   East of Eden by John Steinbeck>   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John> Cleland>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes>   Forever by Judy Blume>   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner>   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch>   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman>   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth>   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak>   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein>   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman>   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm>   Lord of the Flies by William Golding>   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes>   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz>   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and> Christopher Collier>   My House by Nikki Giovanni>   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara>   Night Chills by Dean Koontz>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck>   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer>   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander> Solzhenitsyn>   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey>   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez>   Ordinary People by Judith Guest>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health> Collective>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy>   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin> Schwartz>   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz>   Separate Peace by John Knowles>   Silas Marner by George Eliot>   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.>   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain>   The Bastard by John Jakes>   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger>   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier>   The Color Purple by Alice Walker>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth>   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs>   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks>   The Living Bible by William C. Bower>   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles> Wibbelsman>   The Pigman by Paul Zindel>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders>   The Shining by Stephen King>   The Witches by Roald Dahl>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare>   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the> Merriam-Webster>   Editorial Staff>   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the> Halloween>   Symbols by Edna Barth      


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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 16:53:56 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:53:56 +0000
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Hhhmmmm, This whole episode happened in 1996 . 
Sarah Palin was alleged to have tried to ban the books below 1n 1996.
She tried to ban the Harry Potter Books before they were even written ?
Sarah Palin was alledged to have tried to ban the books below in 1996 and the first Harry Potter novel was releasde in 1997 .
 
 


From: LONESTYLE at aol.comDate: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:18:16 -0400To: gathering at misera.netSubject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned

Check this one out...
 
~LB
 
 
> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have> banned from the> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes> of the Library> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books> banned, she tried to> have the librarian fired.> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book> burners.> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden>   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner>   Blubber by Judy Blume>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley>   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson>   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer>   Carrie by Stephen King>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller>   Christine by Stephen King>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau>   Cujo by Stephen King>   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen>   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller>   Decameron by Boccaccio>   East of Eden by John Steinbeck>   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John> Cleland>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes>   Forever by Judy Blume>   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner>   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch>   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman>   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth>   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak>   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein>   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman>   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm>   Lord of the Flies by William Golding>   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes>   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz>   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and> Christopher Collier>   My House by Nikki Giovanni>   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara>   Night Chills by Dean Koontz>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck>   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer>   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander> Solzhenitsyn>   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey>   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez>   Ordinary People by Judith Guest>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health> Collective>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy>   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin> Schwartz>   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz>   Separate Peace by John Knowles>   Silas Marner by George Eliot>   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.>   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain>   The Bastard by John Jakes>   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger>   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier>   The Color Purple by Alice Walker>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth>   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs>   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks>   The Living Bible by William C. Bower>   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles> Wibbelsman>   The Pigman by Paul Zindel>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders>   The Shining by Stephen King>   The Witches by Roald Dahl>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare>   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the> Merriam-Webster>   Editorial Staff>   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the> Halloween>   Symbols by Edna Barth      


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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 16:56:56 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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?? This website has several articles on Sarah Palin that can?make your food see 
the light of day again. And?Youtube.com has several videos of her involved with heavy
metal-tinged fringe churches all praying to God for an oil pipeline, and to further 
God's will in Iraq.
?
?
?? ..Since when does god need his own 'metal militia?'....
?
?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:

From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:31 PM




Alex,
?
This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her! 
?
By the way on?CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs out. Thanks Alex.
?
~LB
?
?
?
?
In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vassifer at earthlink.net writes:

Cripes -- where did she find the time??


Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.


If you care:


http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html


http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html


http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html


http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html


Alex in NYC






On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:



Check this one out...
?
~LB
?
?
> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> banned from the
> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
> of the Library
> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
> banned, she tried to
> have the librarian fired.
> 
> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
> burners.
> 
> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>?? A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>?? Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>?? As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>?? Blubber by Judy Blume
>?? Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>?? Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>?? Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>?? Carrie by Stephen King
>?? Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>?? Christine by Stephen King
>?? Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>?? Cujo by Stephen King
>?? Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>?? Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>?? Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>?? Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>?? Decameron by Boccaccio
>?? East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>?? Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>?? Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
> Cleland
>?? Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>?? Forever by Judy Blume
>?? Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>?? Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>?? Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>?? Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>?? Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>?? Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>?? Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>?? Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>?? How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>?? Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>?? I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>?? Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>?? In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>?? It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>?? James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>?? Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>?? Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>?? Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>?? Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>?? Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>?? Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>?? More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>?? My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> Christopher Collier
>?? My House by Nikki Giovanni
>?? My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>?? Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>?? Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>?? On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>?? One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
> Solzhenitsyn
>?? One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>?? One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>?? Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>?? Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
> Collective
>?? Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>?? Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>?? Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> Schwartz
>?? Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>?? Separate Peace by John Knowles
>?? Silas Marner by George Eliot
>?? Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>?? Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>?? The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>?? The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>?? The Bastard by John Jakes
>?? The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>?? The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>?? The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>?? The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>?? The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>?? The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>?? The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>?? The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>?? The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>?? The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>?? The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>?? The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>?? The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
> Wibbelsman
>?? The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>?? The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>?? The Shining by Stephen King
>?? The Witches by Roald Dahl
>?? The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>?? Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>?? To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>?? Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>?? Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
> Merriam-Webster
>?? Editorial Staff
>?? Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
> Halloween
>?? Symbols by Edna Barth


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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 16:57:34 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <48C2E672.1050509@sbcglobal.net>
References: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com> <48C2E672.1050509@sbcglobal.net>
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Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn  
surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get  
her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).

More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book  
is completely fucked up.

May she rot.

Alex in NYC



On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

> Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this  
> evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I  
> mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>
> Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a  
> snopes.com check.
>
> -Oliver
>
> LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>> Check this one out...
>> ~LB
>>
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 17:03:20 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:03:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <454B3A70-189F-4330-B11B-D498E16E2B21@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <587580.97023.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

?? The news has reported though that she did?as mayor?inquire into what 
a local hometown?library carries or how it decides what to carry or similar, 
and the?employees she asked that of felt as if she implicitly threatened their 
jobs if they didn't further cooperate.

?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 1:57 PM

Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn  
surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get 

her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).

More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book  
is completely fucked up.

May she rot.

Alex in NYC



On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

> Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this  
> evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I  
> mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>
> Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a  
> snopes.com check.
>
> -Oliver
>
> LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>> Check this one out...
>> ~LB
>>
>
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 17:12:27 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:12:27 +0000
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <454B3A70-189F-4330-B11B-D498E16E2B21@earthlink.net>
References: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com> <48C2E672.1050509@sbcglobal.net>
	<454B3A70-189F-4330-B11B-D498E16E2B21@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BLU108-W407A8B12694494FAC50FB5BE5B0@phx.gbl>


I dont see how you can judge a person  on the basis of when they first got their passport .
Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she just ............
"Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article."
   I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest , deceitful and they distort the democratic process .
 
 
 
 
 
 
> From: vassifer at earthlink.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned> > > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book > is completely fucked up.> > May she rot.> > Alex in NYC> > > > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?> >> > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a > > snopes.com check.> >> > -Oliver> >> > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:> >> Check this one out...> >> ~LB> >>> >> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 17:25:23 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W407A8B12694494FAC50FB5BE5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <928099.73998.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good point on the passport.
?
? About the leftie?smears, it could? also be both sides smudging the truth a bit. 
Both The Frontiersman and the local employees (Wassilla pop. 9,000) involved 
have lotsa reasons to present a more career-friendly or at least a less Governess-provoking
position when/if going "on the record," too.


... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:

From: fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 2:12 PM




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I dont see how you can judge a person? on the basis of when they first got their passport .
Also she didn't ban any books? whilst she was Mayor she just ............

"Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article."
?? I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest , deceitful and they distort the democratic process .

?
?
?
?
?
?
> From: vassifer at earthlink.net
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
> 
> 
> Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn 
> surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get 
> her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
> 
> More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book 
> is completely fucked up.
> 
> May she rot.
> 
> Alex in NYC
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
> 
> > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this 
> > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I 
> > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
> >
> > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a 
> > snopes.com check.
> >
> > -Oliver
> >
> > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
> >> Check this one out...
> >> ~LB
> >>
> >
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From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Sat Sep  6 17:38:02 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:38:02 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W407A8B12694494FAC50FB5BE5B0@phx.gbl>
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"fluke fluke" wrote:

I dont see how you can judge a person  on the basis of when they first got 
their passport .
Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she just ............
"Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and 
simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about 
understanding and following administration agendas," according to the 
Frontiersman article."
   I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest , deceitful 
and they distort the democratic process .

++++++++

Exactly.  Smear campaigns from both sides are reprehensible, it's just oddly 
compelling how far and how quickly the Left is going after all this mostly 
easily discreditable gossipy junk on Palin while not simply attacking her 
positions on things like the economy, the war, etc.

What I want to see/hear is a debate on actual issues between Angry Joe Biden 
and Hocky Mom Palin.  That's what matters as far as which person would make 
a better VP to me.

T.B. 


From mike at coopersurf.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 17:40:11 2008
From: mike at coopersurf.fsnet.co.uk (Mike Cooper)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:40:11 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
References: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00fa01c91069$2b875630$4d946e5b@mhhome>

I doubt there would be any books left.  Bet she has not read one of them!!

is Palin the one with the pregnant daughter?  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: LONESTYLE at aol.com 
  To: gathering at misera.net 
  Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:18 PM
  Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned


  Check this one out...

  ~LB


  > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
  > banned from the
  > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
  > of the Library
  > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
  > banned, she tried to
  > have the librarian fired.
  > 
  > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
  > burners.
  > 
  > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
  >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
  >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
  >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
  >   Blubber by Judy Blume
  >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
  >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
  >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
  >   Carrie by Stephen King
  >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
  >   Christine by Stephen King
  >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  >   Cujo by Stephen King
  >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
  >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
  >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
  >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
  >   Decameron by Boccaccio
  >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
  >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
  >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
  > Cleland
  >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
  >   Forever by Judy Blume
  >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
  >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
  >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
  >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
  >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
  >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
  >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
  >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
  >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
  >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
  >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
  >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
  >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
  >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
  >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
  >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
  >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
  >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
  >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
  >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
  >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
  >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
  >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
  > Christopher Collier
  >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
  >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
  >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
  >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
  >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
  >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
  > Solzhenitsyn
  >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
  >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
  >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
  >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
  > Collective
  >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
  >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
  >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
  > Schwartz
  >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
  >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
  >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
  >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
  >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
  >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
  >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
  >   The Bastard by John Jakes
  >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
  >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
  >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
  >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
  >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
  >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
  >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
  >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
  >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
  >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
  >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
  >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
  >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
  > Wibbelsman
  >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
  >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
  >   The Shining by Stephen King
  >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
  >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
  >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
  >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
  >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
  >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
  > Merriam-Webster
  >   Editorial Staff
  >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
  > Halloween
  >   Symbols by Edna Barth


        






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From dpeace at bigfoot.com  Sat Sep  6 18:00:05 2008
From: dpeace at bigfoot.com (Darren A. Peace)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:00:05 +0100
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
In-Reply-To: <888139.47428.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related>
&feature=related

  How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out 

the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you 

absolutely, positively nail and get it right? [
<http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/04/moos.nuke.that.word.cn
n> video/evidence

 

 

I'm hoping it's to clarify that nuclear is pronounced nee-yew-clear and not
noo-clear!

 

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From dpeace at bigfoot.com  Sat Sep  6 18:05:33 2008
From: dpeace at bigfoot.com (Darren A. Peace)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:05:33 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>
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Christ. Even as a Brit, that stinks like an open septic tank. No worse than
Tipper's PMRC, though. I liked it when the UK press quoted her as saying
that she'd worn her hair up and chosen unflattering spectacles so that the
entire world didn't fall panting at her feet because she's so HOT. She's got
bandy Marty Feldman eyes in that rifle photo too.

 

At least her daughters have uniformly hefty legs.

 

Darren

Hungerford, UK

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of LONESTYLE at aol.com
Sent: 06 September 2008 20:18
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned

 

Check this one out...

 

~LB

 

 

> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> banned from the
> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
> of the Library
> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
> banned, she tried to
> have the librarian fired.
> 
> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
> burners.
> 
> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>   Blubber by Judy Blume
>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>   Carrie by Stephen King
>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>   Christine by Stephen King
>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>   Cujo by Stephen King
>   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>   Decameron by Boccaccio
>   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
> Cleland
>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>   Forever by Judy Blume
>   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> Christopher Collier
>   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
> Solzhenitsyn
>   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
> Collective
>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> Schwartz
>   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>   The Bastard by John Jakes
>   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
> Wibbelsman
>   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>   The Shining by Stephen King
>   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
> Merriam-Webster
>   Editorial Staff
>   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
> Halloween
>   Symbols by Edna Barth


      





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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 18:16:41 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:16:41 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Alex, how can you say "it fits the bill" if it's a total fraud?

Look at creationism/Intelligent Design (Which I am against being 
taught in school).

Sarah believes in it but never tried to enforce it in schools and 
stated so as well (though people ignored
that and tried to say she supported it).

Everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs and as long as they 
don't try to force it in someone else it is
totally acceptable by me. What was that little thing about Kennedy.

"But because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected 
President, the real issues in this campaign have been 
obscured--perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible 
than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once 
again--not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be 
important only to me--but what kind of America I believe in.

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is 
absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should 
he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his 
parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is 
granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is 
denied public office merely because his religion differs from the 
President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him."

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jfkhoustonministers.html

Cheers,
Me

At 04:05 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:

>Michelle Malkin (shrill Republican lapdog pundit) has already refuted this:
>
><http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2075911/posts>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2075911/posts
>
>...but it still fits the profile.
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:29 PM, sade1 wrote:
>
>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>>since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>>..or better yet,
>>what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>
>>
>>
>>... ... ... ... ... ...
>>
>>[looking at the current state of things]
>>
>>'Save me...
>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>
>>
>>--- On Sat, 9/6/08, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com 
>><<mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>>From: <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com 
>><<mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>>Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
>>Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>
>>Check this one out...
>>
>>~LB
>>
>>
>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> > banned from the
>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>> > of the Library
>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>> > banned, she tried to
>> > have the librarian fired.
>> >
>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>> > burners.
>> >
>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>> > Cleland
>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> > Christopher Collier
>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>> > Solzhenitsyn
>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>> > Collective
>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> > Schwartz
>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>> > Wibbelsman
>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>> > Merriam-Webster
>> >   Editorial Staff
>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>> > Halloween
>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----------
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>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There's 
>>a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at 
>>StyleList.com.
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 18:19:15 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:19:15 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <d59.27cbe723.35f4349c@aol.com>
References: <d59.27cbe723.35f4349c@aol.com>
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Mushroom burgers, likes to hunt and doesn't like weed. These are some 
of the reasons you can't stand this woman?
This is associated with evil?

May *Insert deity here* have mercy on us all.



At 03:31 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>Alex,
>
>This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
>
>By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She 
>likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and 
>did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs 
>out. Thanks Alex.
>
>~LB
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>
>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture 
>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>
>If you care:
>
><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>
><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>
>>Check this one out...
>>
>>~LB
>>
>>
>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> > banned from the
>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>> > of the Library
>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>> > banned, she tried to
>> > have the librarian fired.
>> >
>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>> > burners.
>> >
>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>> > Cleland
>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> > Christopher Collier
>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>> > Solzhenitsyn
>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>> > Collective
>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> > Schwartz
>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>> > Wibbelsman
>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>> > Merriam-Webster
>> >   Editorial Staff
>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>> > Halloween
>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----------
>>Psssst...Have you heard the news? 
>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There's 
>>a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at 
>>StyleList.com.
>>_______________________________________________
>>Gathering mailing list
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player.  
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From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 18:23:22 2008
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:23:22 +1200
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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in her defense, she does have a certain 'fuckability'...

=)

On 9/7/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
> Mushroom burgers, likes to hunt and doesn't like weed. These are some
> of the reasons you can't stand this woman?
> This is associated with evil?
>
> May *Insert deity here* have mercy on us all.
>
>
>
> At 03:31 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>Alex,
>>
>>This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
>>
>>By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She
>>likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and
>>did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs
>>out. Thanks Alex.
>>
>>~LB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
>>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>>
>>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture
>>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>>
>>If you care:
>>
>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>>
>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>>
>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>>
>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>>
>>Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Check this one out...
>>>
>>>~LB
>>>
>>>
>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>> > banned from the
>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>> > of the Library
>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>> > banned, she tried to
>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>> >
>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>> > burners.
>>> >
>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>> > Cleland
>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>> > Christopher Collier
>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>> > Collective
>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>> > Schwartz
>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>> > Wibbelsman
>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>> > Halloween
>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
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> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 18:23:17 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:23:17 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <48C2DBD0.2060608@gmail.com>
References: <12762.49939.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<48C2DBD0.2060608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0K6S0085JOV0OD40@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent?

You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You 
can't FORCE someone
to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many parents 
have kids that don't listen to them?
Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left 
wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?

That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her 
daughter getting preggers and she still loves
her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?

Sincerely,
Me

At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:
>what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>
>consistency and contraception apparently
>
>sade1 wrote:
>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>>since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>>..or better yet,
>>what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>
>>
>>
>>... ... ... ... ... ...
>>
>>[looking at the current state of things]
>>
>>'Save me...
>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>
>>
>>--- On Sat, 9/6/08, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com 
>><mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com><LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>>From: <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com 
>><mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com><LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>>Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
>>Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>
>>Check this one out...
>>
>>~LB
>>
>>
>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> > banned from the
>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>> > of the Library
>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>> > banned, she tried to
>> > have the librarian fired.
>> >
>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>> > burners.
>> >
>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>> > Cleland
>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> > Christopher Collier
>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>> > Solzhenitsyn
>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>> > Collective
>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> > Schwartz
>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>> > Wibbelsman
>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>> > Merriam-Webster
>> >   Editorial Staff
>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>> > Halloween
>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player.  
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 18:29:50 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:29:50 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W407A8B12694494FAC50FB5BE5B0@phx.gbl>
References: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com> <48C2E672.1050509@sbcglobal.net>
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	<BLU108-W407A8B12694494FAC50FB5BE5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1CB3EDF3-068B-4FEE-8AA3-69A18A67F4B4@earthlink.net>


How do ya feel about the Right Wing smear campaigns? OR did you buy  
that Swift boat bullshit?

I don't think we really need to smear Sarah Palin. She seems to be  
doing a good enough job of scuttling her own ship.

I think the fact that she didn't get a passport until 2007 is fucking  
noteworthy and worthy of derision being that she seeks the second  
highest office in the nation.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:12 PM, fluke fluke wrote:

> I dont see how you can judge a person  on the basis of when they  
> first got their passport .
> Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she  
> just ............
> "Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries  
> rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department  
> head "about understanding and following administration agendas,"  
> according to the Frontiersman article."
>    I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest ,  
> deceitful and they distort the democratic process .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: vassifer at earthlink.net
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
> >
> >
> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't  
> get
> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
> >
> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY  
> book
> > is completely fucked up.
> >
> > May she rot.
> >
> > Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
> > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list  
> accurate. I
> > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
> > >
> > > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
> > > snopes.com check.
> > >
> > > -Oliver
> > >
> > > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
> > >> Check this one out...
> > >> ~LB
> > >>
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 18:37:32 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:37:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <0K6S0085JOV0OD40@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <831522.89664.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> she still loves?her kid and didn't throw her out of the house...
?
? That's a 3-pointer, right there. That (above) is the different between regular 
parenting and good parenting.


?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:

From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM


Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent? 

You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You can't FORCE someone
to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many parents have kids that don't listen to them?
Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?

That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her daughter getting preggers and she still loves
her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?

Sincerely,
Me

At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:

what does she restrict in her own family's home?

consistency and contraception apparently

sade1 wrote: 

?? I wonder what movies she thought of banning also, 
since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
..or better yet,
what does she restrict in her own family's home?
?
?
?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things]

'Save me...
? save me from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 


--- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:


From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>

Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned

To: gathering at misera.net

Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM


Check this one out...

?

~LB

?

?

> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have

> banned from the

> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes

> of the Library

> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books

> banned, she tried to

> have the librarian fired.

> 

> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book

> burners.

> 

> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess

>?? A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle

>?? Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden

>?? As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner

>?? Blubber by Judy Blume

>?? Brave New World by Aldous Huxley

>?? Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson

>?? Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer

>?? Carrie by Stephen King

>?? Catch-22 by Joseph Heller

>?? Christine by Stephen King

>?? Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau

>?? Cujo by Stephen King

>?? Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen

>?? Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite

>?? Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck

>?? Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller

>?? Decameron by Boccaccio

>?? East of Eden by John Steinbeck

>?? Fallen Angels by Walter Myers

>?? Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John

> Cleland

>?? Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes

>?? Forever by Judy Blume

>?? Grendel by John Champlin Gardner

>?? Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam

>?? Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling

>?? Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling

>?? Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling

>?? Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling

>?? Have to Go by Robert Munsch

>?? Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman

>?? How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell

>?? Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain

>?? I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou

>?? Impressions edited by Jack Booth

>?? In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak

>?? It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein

>?? James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl

>?? Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence

>?? Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman

>?? Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm

>?? Lord of the Flies by William Golding

>?? Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein

>?? Lysistrata by Aristophanes

>?? More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz

>?? My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and

> Christopher Collier

>?? My House by Nikki Giovanni

>?? My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara

>?? Night Chills by Dean Koontz

>?? Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck

>?? On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer

>?? One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander

> Solzhenitsyn

>?? One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey

>?? One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez

>?? Ordinary People by Judith Guest

>?? Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health

> Collective

>?? Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy

>?? Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl

>?? Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin

> Schwartz

>?? Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz

>?? Separate Peace by John Knowles

>?? Silas Marner by George Eliot

>?? Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

>?? Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs

>?? The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain

>?? The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain

>?? The Bastard by John Jakes

>?? The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger

>?? The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier

>?? The Color Purple by Alice Walker

>?? The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth

>?? The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs

>?? The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck

>?? The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson

>?? The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood

>?? The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder

>?? The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks

>?? The Living Bible by William C. Bower

>?? The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare

>?? The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles

> Wibbelsman

>?? The Pigman by Paul Zindel

>?? The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders

>?? The Shining by Stephen King

>?? The Witches by Roald Dahl

>?? The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder

>?? Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume

>?? To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee

>?? Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare

>?? Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the

> Merriam-Webster

>?? Editorial Staff

>?? Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the

> Halloween

>?? Symbols by Edna Barth



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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 18:42:47 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:42:47 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <831522.89664.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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"she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."

You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own  
decisions?

And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about the  
fact that she went back to work three days after her child with Down  
syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM, sade1 wrote:

> > she still loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house...
>
>   That's a 3-pointer, right there. That (above) is the different  
> between regular
> parenting and good parenting.
>
>
>
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>
> [looking at the current state of things]
>
> 'Save me...
>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>  
> wrote:
> From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net 
> >
> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM
>
> Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent?
>
> You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You  
> can't FORCE someone
> to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many parents  
> have kids that don't listen to them?
> Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left  
> wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?
>
> That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her  
> daughter getting preggers and she still loves
> her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?
>
> Sincerely,
> Me
>
> At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:
>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>
>> consistency and contraception apparently
>>
>> sade1 wrote:
>>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>>> since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>>> ..or better yet,
>>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>
>>> [looking at the current state of things]
>>>
>>> 'Save me...
>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>>> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>>> Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>> To: gathering at misera.net
>>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>>
>>> Check this one out...
>>>
>>> ~LB
>>>
>>>
>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>> > banned from the
>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>> > of the Library
>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>> > banned, she tried to
>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>> >
>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>> > burners.
>>> >
>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>> > Cleland
>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>> > Christopher Collier
>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>> > Collective
>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>> > Schwartz
>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>> > Wibbelsman
>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>> > Halloween
>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> contribute
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 18:44:38 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <ce16091e0809061523g540d71ebtcfbdf309a64b5ca1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <941790.54958.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> she does have a certain 'fuckability'...

..like the secretary girl in the video for Goody 2 Shoes [at 1:01]?
?
? If i mentally factor out that emasculating corporate/political-drag she has to 
dress in for career's sake, yeah, she's doable. Only?some girl?in the British 
Parliament is?(lots) hotter.?


... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM

in her defense, she does have a certain 'fuckability'...

=)

On 9/7/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
> Mushroom burgers, likes to hunt and doesn't like weed. These are some
> of the reasons you can't stand this woman?
> This is associated with evil?
>
> May *Insert deity here* have mercy on us all.
>
>
>
> At 03:31 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>Alex,
>>
>>This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
>>
>>By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She
>>likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and
>>did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs
>>out. Thanks Alex.
>>
>>~LB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
>>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>>
>>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's
Puncture
>>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>>
>>If you care:
>>
>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>>
>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>>
>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>>
>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>>
>>Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM,
<mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Check this one out...
>>>
>>>~LB
>>>
>>>
>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>> > banned from the
>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>> > of the Library
>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>> > banned, she tried to
>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>> >
>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>> > burners.
>>> >
>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>> > Cleland
>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>> > Christopher Collier
>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>> > Collective
>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>> > Schwartz
>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>> > Wibbelsman
>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>> > Halloween
>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
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> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore,
losers
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> player.
>


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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 18:52:32 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:52:32 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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References: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com> <48C2E672.1050509@sbcglobal.net>
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Yeah, just like saying that it wasn't her child 
but her daughters. Truth doesn't matter. All you
have to do is talk shit and make enough of a ruckus that people believe it.

Speaking on the banning of things and restriction 
of free speech let's look at Sir Obama's record.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12816.html
Sen. Barack Obama has launched an all-out effort 
to block a Republican billionaire?s efforts to tie him
to domestic and foreign terrorists in a wave of negative television ads.

Obama?s campaign has written the Department of 
Justice demanding a criminal investigation of the ?American Issues Project,?
the vehicle through which Dallas investor Harold 
Simmons is financing the advertisements. The Obama campaign ? and tens
of thousands of supporters ? also is pressuring 
television networks and affiliates to reject the ads.

OR... 
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html
(the above link is just a small snippet... there 
are much more detailed ones out there)

The fact that Obama tried to have Stanley Kurtz 
thrown off the air for talking about the "Chicago Annenberg Challenge".

"The magazine had been blocked in its initial 
attempts to obtain records from the University of 
Illinois at Chicago regarding
a school reform initiative called the Chicago 
Annenberg Challenge, which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded.

Obama critics were quick to suggest that 
political clout could be involved in seeking to 
protect Obama from embarrassment.
The school later reserved its position and made the records available Tuesday."

So first they have the University block access to 
the files. Then they threaten, flood and go after 
the radio station that will give Stanley
a stage to talk at. BRAVO!!! Way to go!

At least the Radio station offered the Obama 
campaign to come on the show to discuss/refute what Stanley says (The Obama
campaign declined.

The ones throwing shit at Palin don't provide 
that opportunity. While Stanley Kurtz and the Ad 
campaign (correct or incorrect)
stated info based on Obama's past associations 
the shit thrown at Palin is pulled out of thin air.

Funny thing is, Palin isn't running to the DOJ or 
sending out mass Emails telling people to wreak havoc.

Sincerely,
Me


At 05:12 PM 9/6/2008, fluke fluke wrote:
>I dont see how you can judge a person  on the 
>basis of when they first got their passport .
>Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she just ............
>
>"Palin herself, questioned at the time, called 
>her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a 
>policy discussion with a department head "about 
>understanding and following administration 
>agendas," according to the Frontiersman article."
>
>    I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, 
> they are dishonest , deceitful and they distort the democratic process .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: vassifer at earthlink.net
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
> >
> >
> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get
> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
> >
> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book
> > is completely fucked up.
> >
> > May she rot.
> >
> > Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
> > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I
> > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
> > >
> > > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
> > > snopes.com check.
> > >
> > > -Oliver
> > >
> > > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
> > >> Check this one out...
> > >> ~LB
> > >>
> > >
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 18:55:51 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:55:51 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Obama's taking action against a smear campaign and you're calling that  
banning? Hey there, Mr. Double-Standard.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:52 PM, The Exorcist wrote:

> Yeah, just like saying that it wasn't her child but her daughters.  
> Truth doesn't matter. All you
> have to do is talk shit and make enough of a ruckus that people  
> believe it.
>
> Speaking on the banning of things and restriction of free speech  
> let's look at Sir Obama's record.
>
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12816.html
> Sen. Barack Obama has launched an all-out effort to block a  
> Republican billionaire?s efforts to tie him
> to domestic and foreign terrorists in a wave of negative television  
> ads.
>
> Obama?s campaign has written the Department of Justice demanding a  
> criminal investigation of the ?American Issues Project,?
> the vehicle through which Dallas investor Harold Simmons is  
> financing the advertisements. The Obama campaign ? and tens
> of thousands of supporters ? also is pressuring television networks  
> and affiliates to reject the ads.
>
> OR...  http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html
> (the above link is just a small snippet... there are much more  
> detailed ones out there)
>
> The fact that Obama tried to have Stanley Kurtz thrown off the air  
> for talking about the "Chicago Annenberg Challenge".
>
> "The magazine had been blocked in its initial attempts to obtain  
> records from the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding
> a school reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge,  
> which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded.
>
> Obama critics were quick to suggest that political clout could be  
> involved in seeking to protect Obama from embarrassment.
> The school later reserved its position and made the records  
> available Tuesday."
>
> So first they have the University block access to the files. Then  
> they threaten, flood and go after the radio station that will give  
> Stanley
> a stage to talk at. BRAVO!!! Way to go!
>
> At least the Radio station offered the Obama campaign to come on the  
> show to discuss/refute what Stanley says (The Obama
> campaign declined.
>
> The ones throwing shit at Palin don't provide that opportunity.  
> While Stanley Kurtz and the Ad campaign (correct or incorrect)
> stated info based on Obama's past associations the shit thrown at  
> Palin is pulled out of thin air.
>
> Funny thing is, Palin isn't running to the DOJ or sending out mass  
> Emails telling people to wreak havoc.
>
> Sincerely,
> Me
>
>
> At 05:12 PM 9/6/2008, fluke fluke wrote:
>> I dont see how you can judge a person  on the basis of when they  
>> first got their passport .
>> Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she  
>> just ............
>>
>> "Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries  
>> rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department  
>> head "about understanding and following administration agendas,"  
>> according to the Frontiersman article."
>>
>>    I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest ,  
>> deceitful and they distort the democratic process .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: vassifer at earthlink.net
>> > To: gathering at misera.net
>> > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>> >
>> >
>> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
>> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman  
>> didn't get
>> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
>> >
>> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY  
>> book
>> > is completely fucked up.
>> >
>> > May she rot.
>> >
>> > Alex in NYC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>> >
>> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
>> > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list  
>> accurate. I
>> > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>> > >
>> > > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
>> > > snopes.com check.
>> > >
>> > > -Oliver
>> > >
>> > > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>> > >> Check this one out...
>> > >> ~LB
>> > >>
>> > >
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> Darwinism.
> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is  
> someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers  
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is  
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the  
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical  
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From jeffmccollough at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 18:56:15 2008
From: jeffmccollough at earthlink.net (jeffmccollough at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:56:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
Message-ID: <14117493.1220741775997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Passing it on to all I have no doubt this women is hitler in a dress

-----Original Message-----
>From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Sep 6, 2008 12:24 PM
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>
>
>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>
>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture  
>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>
>If you care:
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Check this one out...
>>
>> ~LB
>>
>>
>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> > banned from the
>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>> > of the Library
>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>> > banned, she tried to
>> > have the librarian fired.
>> >
>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>> > burners.
>> >
>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>> > Cleland
>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> > Christopher Collier
>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>> > Solzhenitsyn
>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>> > Collective
>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> > Schwartz
>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>> > Wibbelsman
>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>> > Merriam-Webster
>> >   Editorial Staff
>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>> > Halloween
>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 19:02:16 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:02:16 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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It always amazes me how Yos the Exorcist can be such a die-hard  
Republican and a die-hard Killing Joke fan at the same time. To my  
mind, they cancel each other out -- but then, I'm a proudly liberal  
lefty and still a Kiss fan, so I guess it's the same contradiction.

Alex in NYC



On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:52 PM, The Exorcist wrote:

> Yeah, just like saying that it wasn't her child but her daughters.  
> Truth doesn't matter. All you
> have to do is talk shit and make enough of a ruckus that people  
> believe it.
>
> Speaking on the banning of things and restriction of free speech  
> let's look at Sir Obama's record.
>
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12816.html
> Sen. Barack Obama has launched an all-out effort to block a  
> Republican billionaire?s efforts to tie him
> to domestic and foreign terrorists in a wave of negative television  
> ads.
>
> Obama?s campaign has written the Department of Justice demanding a  
> criminal investigation of the ?American Issues Project,?
> the vehicle through which Dallas investor Harold Simmons is  
> financing the advertisements. The Obama campaign ? and tens
> of thousands of supporters ? also is pressuring television networks  
> and affiliates to reject the ads.
>
> OR...  http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html
> (the above link is just a small snippet... there are much more  
> detailed ones out there)
>
> The fact that Obama tried to have Stanley Kurtz thrown off the air  
> for talking about the "Chicago Annenberg Challenge".
>
> "The magazine had been blocked in its initial attempts to obtain  
> records from the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding
> a school reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge,  
> which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded.
>
> Obama critics were quick to suggest that political clout could be  
> involved in seeking to protect Obama from embarrassment.
> The school later reserved its position and made the records  
> available Tuesday."
>
> So first they have the University block access to the files. Then  
> they threaten, flood and go after the radio station that will give  
> Stanley
> a stage to talk at. BRAVO!!! Way to go!
>
> At least the Radio station offered the Obama campaign to come on the  
> show to discuss/refute what Stanley says (The Obama
> campaign declined.
>
> The ones throwing shit at Palin don't provide that opportunity.  
> While Stanley Kurtz and the Ad campaign (correct or incorrect)
> stated info based on Obama's past associations the shit thrown at  
> Palin is pulled out of thin air.
>
> Funny thing is, Palin isn't running to the DOJ or sending out mass  
> Emails telling people to wreak havoc.
>
> Sincerely,
> Me
>
>
> At 05:12 PM 9/6/2008, fluke fluke wrote:
>> I dont see how you can judge a person  on the basis of when they  
>> first got their passport .
>> Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she  
>> just ............
>>
>> "Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries  
>> rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department  
>> head "about understanding and following administration agendas,"  
>> according to the Frontiersman article."
>>
>>    I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest ,  
>> deceitful and they distort the democratic process .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: vassifer at earthlink.net
>> > To: gathering at misera.net
>> > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>> >
>> >
>> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
>> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman  
>> didn't get
>> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
>> >
>> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY  
>> book
>> > is completely fucked up.
>> >
>> > May she rot.
>> >
>> > Alex in NYC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>> >
>> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
>> > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list  
>> accurate. I
>> > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>> > >
>> > > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
>> > > snopes.com check.
>> > >
>> > > -Oliver
>> > >
>> > > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>> > >> Check this one out...
>> > >> ~LB
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Gathering mailing list
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> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social  
> Darwinism.
> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is  
> someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers  
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is  
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the  
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical  
> team player.
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 19:04:27 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:04:27 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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And don't forget the Fairness Doctrine...

Obama  "I hope Congress gets to work right away on reestablishing the 
Fairness Doctrine with the FCC. There needs
to be balance on the airwaves again on radio as well as TV and cable."

It seems Obama only believes in "Free speech" if he agrees with it. 
The hypocrisy lives on.

Compare this and my previous post Vs. a fictional list of banned books.
You tell me which is worse.

Sincerely,
Me

At 05:12 PM 9/6/2008, fluke fluke wrote:
>I dont see how you can judge a person  on the basis of when they 
>first got their passport .
>Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she just ............
>
>"Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries 
>rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department 
>head "about understanding and following administration agendas," 
>according to the Frontiersman article."
>
>    I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest , 
> deceitful and they distort the democratic process .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: vassifer at earthlink.net
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
> >
> >
> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get
> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
> >
> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book
> > is completely fucked up.
> >
> > May she rot.
> >
> > Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
> > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I
> > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
> > >
> > > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
> > > snopes.com check.
> > >
> > > -Oliver
> > >
> > > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
> > >> Check this one out...
> > >> ~LB
> > >>
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Gathering mailing list
> > > Gathering at misera.net
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We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 19:06:20 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:06:20 +0000
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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"How do ya feel about the Right Wing smear campaigns?"
 
 
   I fully support those ones .



From: vassifer at earthlink.netTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:29:50 -0400Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned

How do ya feel about the Right Wing smear campaigns? OR did you buy that Swift boat bullshit? 

I don't think we really need to smear Sarah Palin. She seems to be doing a good enough job of scuttling her own ship. 

I think the fact that she didn't get a passport until 2007 is fucking noteworthy and worthy of derision being that she seeks the second highest office in the nation. 

Alex in NYC


On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:12 PM, fluke fluke wrote:

I dont see how you can judge a person  on the basis of when they first got their passport .Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she just ............
"Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article."
   I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest , deceitful and they distort the democratic process .      > From: vassifer at earthlink.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned> > > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book > is completely fucked up.> > May she rot.> > Alex in NYC> > > > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?> >> > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a > > snopes.com check.> >> > -Oliver> >> > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:> >> Check this one out...> >> ~LB> >>> >> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 19:10:10 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:10:10 +0000
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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"and she smoked weed once and did not like it."
 
  Now  ,that IS a bit weird.....but give her her due, at least she tried it . 
Gotta respect her for that 
 
 
 



From: LONESTYLE at aol.comDate: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:31:40 -0400To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned


Alex,
 
This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her! 
 
By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs out. Thanks Alex.
 
~LB
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vassifer at earthlink.net writes:

Cripes -- where did she find the time? 

Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.

If you care:

http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html

http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html

http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html

http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html

Alex in NYC



On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:


Check this one out...
 
~LB
 
 
> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have> banned from the> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes> of the Library> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books> banned, she tried to> have the librarian fired.> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book> burners.> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden>   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner>   Blubber by Judy Blume>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley>   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson>   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer>   Carrie by Stephen King>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller>   Christine by Stephen King>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau>   Cujo by Stephen King>   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen>   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller>   Decameron by Boccaccio>   East of Eden by John Steinbeck>   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John> Cleland>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes>   Forever by Judy Blume>   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner>   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch>   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman>   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth>   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak>   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein>   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman>   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm>   Lord of the Flies by William Golding>   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes>   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz>   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and> Christopher Collier>   My House by Nikki Giovanni>   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara>   Night Chills by Dean Koontz>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck>   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer>   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander> Solzhenitsyn>   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey>   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez>   Ordinary People by Judith Guest>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health> Collective>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy>   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin> Schwartz>   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz>   Separate Peace by John Knowles>   Silas Marner by George Eliot>   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.>   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain>   The Bastard by John Jakes>   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger>   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier>   The Color Purple by Alice Walker>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth>   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs>   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks>   The Living Bible by William C. Bower>   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles> Wibbelsman>   The Pigman by Paul Zindel>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders>   The Shining by Stephen King>   The Witches by Roald Dahl>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare>   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the> Merriam-Webster>   Editorial Staff>   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the> Halloween>   Symbols by Edna Barth      


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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 19:10:53 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:10:53 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Huh? So if Bristol is 17 and can make her own decisions why are people
tacking her onto her Mother? You tell me... *shrug*

There are plenty of people out there with different lives and circumstances.

Some have 10 kids and they're all well behaved, some have 2 and all 
hell breaks loose.

Have you seen any signs of neglect on her children? How many WOMEN 
have gone to work shortly
after having a child? Many! Especially if they have a husband and 
family at home that can help
with the kids.

I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child rearing.

Sincerely,
Me

At 06:42 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:

>"she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."
>
>You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own decisions?
>
>And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about the 
>fact that she went back to work three days after her child with Down 
>syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM, sade1 wrote:
>
>> > she still loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house...
>>
>>   That's a 3-pointer, right there. That (above) is the different 
>> between regular
>>parenting and good parenting.
>>
>>
>>
>>... ... ... ... ... ...
>>
>>[looking at the current state of things]
>>
>>'Save me...
>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>
>>
>>--- On Sat, 9/6/08, The Exorcist 
>><<mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> 
>>wrote:
>>From: The Exorcist 
>><<mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>><<mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net>
>>Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM
>>
>>Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent?
>>
>>You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You 
>>can't FORCE someone
>>to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many parents 
>>have kids that don't listen to them?
>>Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left 
>>wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?
>>
>>That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her 
>>daughter getting preggers and she still loves
>>her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Me
>>
>>At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:
>>>what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>
>>>consistency and contraception apparently
>>>
>>>sade1 wrote:
>>>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>>>>since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>>>>..or better yet,
>>>>what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>>
>>>>[looking at the current state of things]
>>>>
>>>>'Save me...
>>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- On Sat, 9/6/08, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com 
>>>><mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com><LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>From: <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com 
>>>><mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com><LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>>>>Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
>>>>Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>>>
>>>>Check this one out...
>>>>
>>>>~LB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>>> > banned from the
>>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>>> > of the Library
>>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>>> > banned, she tried to
>>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>>> >
>>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>>> > burners.
>>>> >
>>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>>> > Cleland
>>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>>> > Christopher Collier
>>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>>> > Collective
>>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>>> > Schwartz
>>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>>> > Wibbelsman
>>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>>> > Halloween
>>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------
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>>>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There's 
>>>>  a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles 
>>>>at StyleList.com.
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>>>>
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>>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
>>We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
>>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, 
>>losers contribute
>>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
>>unethical, while
>>a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
>>spirit of diversity,
>>inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>>Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical 
>>team player.
>>
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
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From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Sat Sep  6 19:15:45 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:15:45 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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"Alexander Smith" wrote:

> "she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."
>
> You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own
> decisions?

WTF?!?

> And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about the
> fact that she went back to work three days after her child with Down
> syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.

What, her husband isn't allowed to care for their child?

Let's get one thing straight, I'm not a Sarah Palin fan.  I thought she was 
a gimmicky, short sighted choice on McCain's part which has led me to 
seriously consider voting for Obama this year despite my loathing of his 
vague, socialist agenda.  But that's irrelevant to my comments that follow.

So far, virtually every single negative you've brought against Palin is 
hysterical, rumor based nonsense.  Over time, you've really given me the 
impression you were a much more level headed person and to read post after 
post of this sorta ranting is a bit sad.  I'm not saying "change your mind" 
or anything like that, but I wish you'd  offer up a better reason to reject 
her than wide-eyed hysteria like the above.

T.B. 


From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 19:15:54 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:15:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
Message-ID: <165107.20087.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> this women is hitler in a dress

Is there also a little toothbrush'ish tuft of hair involved somewhere, also? 
?
8)



... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 








--- On Sat, 9/6/08, jeffmccollough at earthlink.net <jeffmccollough at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: jeffmccollough at earthlink.net <jeffmccollough at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:56 PM

Passing it on to all I have no doubt this women is hitler in a dress

-----Original Message-----
>From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Sep 6, 2008 12:24 PM
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>
>
>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>
>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's
Puncture  
>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>
>If you care:
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>
>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Check this one out...
>>
>> ~LB
>>
>>
>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> > banned from the
>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>> > of the Library
>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>> > banned, she tried to
>> > have the librarian fired.
>> >
>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>> > burners.
>> >
>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>> > Cleland
>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> > Christopher Collier
>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>> > Solzhenitsyn
>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>> > Collective
>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> > Schwartz
>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>> > Wibbelsman
>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>> > Merriam-Webster
>> >   Editorial Staff
>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>> > Halloween
>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 19:16:23 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:16:23 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Noooooo. Biiiiiiiiiig Difference...

He's not taking action, he's not REFUTING any of 
it. He's just trying to Shut Them Down...

That's not action my friend, that's trying to take away someone's free speech.
There ain't no double standard here.

If it's a smear campaign that's based on 
bullshit, go and refute it, hell even the radio 
station ASKED the Obama campaign
to go on. They declined...

The radio show was about stanley's discovery of 
the "annenberg challange" papers and what he has seen in them in the
past day. Smear Campaign? I think not...



At 06:55 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:

>Obama's taking action against a smear campaign 
>and you're calling that banning? Hey there, Mr. Double-Standard.
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:52 PM, The Exorcist wrote:
>
>>Yeah, just like saying that it wasn't her child 
>>but her daughters. Truth doesn't matter. All you
>>have to do is talk shit and make enough of a ruckus that people believe it.
>>
>>Speaking on the banning of things and 
>>restriction of free speech let's look at Sir Obama's record.
>>
>>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12816.html
>>Sen. Barack Obama has launched an all-out 
>>effort to block a Republican billionaire?s efforts to tie him
>>to domestic and foreign terrorists in a wave of negative television ads.
>>
>>Obama?s campaign has written the Department of 
>>Justice demanding a criminal investigation of the ?American Issues Project,?
>>the vehicle through which Dallas investor 
>>Harold Simmons is financing the advertisements. The Obama campaign ? and tens
>>of thousands of supporters ? also is pressuring 
>>television networks and affiliates to reject the ads.
>>
>>OR... 
>>http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html 
>>
>>(the above link is just a small snippet... 
>>there are much more detailed ones out there)
>>
>>The fact that Obama tried to have Stanley Kurtz 
>>thrown off the air for talking about the "Chicago Annenberg Challenge".
>>
>>"The magazine had been blocked in its initial 
>>attempts to obtain records from the University 
>>of Illinois at Chicago regarding
>>a school reform initiative called the Chicago 
>>Annenberg Challenge, which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded.
>>
>>Obama critics were quick to suggest that 
>>political clout could be involved in seeking to 
>>protect Obama from embarrassment.
>>The school later reserved its position and made 
>>the records available Tuesday."
>>
>>So first they have the University block access 
>>to the files. Then they threaten, flood and go 
>>after the radio station that will give Stanley
>>a stage to talk at. BRAVO!!! Way to go!
>>
>>At least the Radio station offered the Obama 
>>campaign to come on the show to discuss/refute what Stanley says (The Obama
>>campaign declined.
>>
>>The ones throwing shit at Palin don't provide 
>>that opportunity. While Stanley Kurtz and the 
>>Ad campaign (correct or incorrect)
>>stated info based on Obama's past associations 
>>the shit thrown at Palin is pulled out of thin air.
>>
>>Funny thing is, Palin isn't running to the DOJ 
>>or sending out mass Emails telling people to wreak havoc.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Me
>>
>>
>>At 05:12 PM 9/6/2008, fluke fluke wrote:
>>>I dont see how you can judge a person  on the 
>>>basis of when they first got their passport .
>>>Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she just ............
>>>
>>>"Palin herself, questioned at the time, called 
>>>her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a 
>>>policy discussion with a department head 
>>>"about understanding and following 
>>>administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article."
>>>
>>>    I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, 
>>> they are dishonest , deceitful and they distort the democratic process .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>vassifer at earthlink.net
>>> > To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
>>> > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
>>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
>>> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get
>>> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
>>> >
>>> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book
>>> > is completely fucked up.
>>> >
>>> > May she rot.
>>> >
>>> > Alex in NYC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
>>> > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I
>>> > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>>> > >
>>> > > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
>>> > > snopes.com check.
>>> > >
>>> > > -Oliver
>>> > >
>>> > > <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>> > >> Check this one out...
>>> > >> ~LB
>>> > >>
>>> > >
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From fluke1 at live.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 19:18:54 2008
From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:18:54 +0000
Subject: [kj] OT -  banned !!!!!!
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She didn't even want any books to be banned . She just enquired about  restricting some books in the Public Library .
Using the word "Banned" gives the impressions that she wanted a U.S wide ban on the books .
 A wholseale  Banning of books in the U.S and restricting the content of books in a small Public Library are two very different things.
 
 
 
 



Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:10:53 -0400From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted bannedHuh? So if Bristol is 17 and can make her own decisions why are peopletacking her onto her Mother? You tell me... *shrug*There are plenty of people out there with different lives and circumstances.Some have 10 kids and they're all well behaved, some have 2 and all hell breaks loose.Have you seen any signs of neglect on her children? How many WOMEN have gone to work shortlyafter having a child? Many! Especially if they have a husband and family at home that can helpwith the kids.I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child rearing. Sincerely,MeAt 06:42 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:
"she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own decisions?And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about the fact that she went back to work three days after her child with Down syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.Alex in NYCOn Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM, sade1 wrote:
> she still loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house...   That's a 3-pointer, right there. That (above) is the different between regular parenting and good parenting. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things]'Save me...  save me from Tomorrow..   I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   --- On Sat, 9/6/08, The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:

From: The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM
Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent? 
You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You can't FORCE someone
to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many parents have kids that don't listen to them?
Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?
That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her daughter getting preggers and she still loves
her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?
Sincerely,
Me
At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:

what does she restrict in her own family's home?
consistency and contraception apparently
sade1 wrote: 

   I wonder what movies she thought of banning also, 
since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
..or better yet,
what does she restrict in her own family's home?
 
 
 
... ... ... ... ... ... 
[looking at the current state of things]
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
   I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   
--- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote: 

From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> 
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
Check this one out... 
  
~LB 
  
  
> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have 
> banned from the 
> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes 
> of the Library 
> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books 
> banned, she tried to 
> have the librarian fired. 
> 
> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book 
> burners. 
> 
> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess 
>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle 
>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden 
>   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner 
>   Blubber by Judy Blume 
>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley 
>   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson 
>   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer 
>   Carrie by Stephen King 
>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller 
>   Christine by Stephen King 
>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau 
>   Cujo by Stephen King 
>   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen 
>   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite 
>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck 
>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller 
>   Decameron by Boccaccio 
>   East of Eden by John Steinbeck 
>   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers 
>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John 
> Cleland 
>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes 
>   Forever by Judy Blume 
>   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner 
>   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam 
>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling 
>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling 
>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling 
>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling 
>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch 
>   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman 
>   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell 
>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain 
>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou 
>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth 
>   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak 
>   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein 
>   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl 
>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence 
>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman 
>   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm 
>   Lord of the Flies by William Golding 
>   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein 
>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes 
>   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz 
>   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and 
> Christopher Collier 
>   My House by Nikki Giovanni 
>   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara 
>   Night Chills by Dean Koontz 
>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck 
>   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer 
>   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander 
> Solzhenitsyn 
>   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey 
>   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez 
>   Ordinary People by Judith Guest 
>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health 
> Collective 
>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy 
>   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl 
>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin 
> Schwartz 
>   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz 
>   Separate Peace by John Knowles 
>   Silas Marner by George Eliot 
>   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. 
>   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs 
>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain 
>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain 
>   The Bastard by John Jakes 
>   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger 
>   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier 
>   The Color Purple by Alice Walker 
>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth 
>   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs 
>   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck 
>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson 
>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood 
>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder 
>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks 
>   The Living Bible by William C. Bower 
>   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare 
>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles 
> Wibbelsman 
>   The Pigman by Paul Zindel 
>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders 
>   The Shining by Stephen King 
>   The Witches by Roald Dahl 
>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder 
>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume 
>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee 
>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare 
>   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the 
> Merriam-Webster 
>   Editorial Staff 
>   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the 
> Halloween 
>   Symbols by Edna Barth
      


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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 19:26:03 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:26:03 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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I guess some things can't be explained ehhh? LOL 
(Also a big SWANS fan amongst many many other bands.
Music and books are my life. I guess I just enjoy 
and can understand and relate to free expression in its many
various forms.)

Though in all honesty... I think it goes beyond republican/democrat left/right.

I was always pro free speech & transparency. I 
find it sad that the people who claim to be "liberal" would
go and shut down and shout down anyone who doesn't agree with them.

(How many times have you seen a right wing or 
conservative speaker being shouted down by lefties when invited
to speak at a University?) When people feel the 
need to disrupt someone's speech (Code Pink at the RNC?).

I understand that people are different and I 
respect it. I don't force my views on anyone and am more than willing
to agree to disagree. More importantly, I will 
always fight and support free Speech no matter to whom it applies!

Cheers,
Me

Have a great weekend and hope the rain is gone by tomorrow.


At 07:02 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:
>It always amazes me how Yos the Exorcist can be 
>such a die-hard Republican and a die-hard 
>Killing Joke fan at the same time. To my mind, 
>they cancel each other out -- but then, I'm a 
>proudly liberal lefty and still a Kiss fan, so I 
>guess it's the same contradiction.
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:52 PM, The Exorcist wrote:
>
>>Yeah, just like saying that it wasn't her child 
>>but her daughters. Truth doesn't matter. All you
>>have to do is talk shit and make enough of a ruckus that people believe it.
>>
>>Speaking on the banning of things and 
>>restriction of free speech let's look at Sir Obama's record.
>>
>>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12816.html
>>Sen. Barack Obama has launched an all-out 
>>effort to block a Republican billionaire?s efforts to tie him
>>to domestic and foreign terrorists in a wave of negative television ads.
>>
>>Obama?s campaign has written the Department of 
>>Justice demanding a criminal investigation of the ?American Issues Project,?
>>the vehicle through which Dallas investor 
>>Harold Simmons is financing the advertisements. The Obama campaign ? and tens
>>of thousands of supporters ? also is pressuring 
>>television networks and affiliates to reject the ads.
>>
>>OR... 
>>http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html 
>>
>>(the above link is just a small snippet... 
>>there are much more detailed ones out there)
>>
>>The fact that Obama tried to have Stanley Kurtz 
>>thrown off the air for talking about the "Chicago Annenberg Challenge".
>>
>>"The magazine had been blocked in its initial 
>>attempts to obtain records from the University 
>>of Illinois at Chicago regarding
>>a school reform initiative called the Chicago 
>>Annenberg Challenge, which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded.
>>
>>Obama critics were quick to suggest that 
>>political clout could be involved in seeking to 
>>protect Obama from embarrassment.
>>The school later reserved its position and made 
>>the records available Tuesday."
>>
>>So first they have the University block access 
>>to the files. Then they threaten, flood and go 
>>after the radio station that will give Stanley
>>a stage to talk at. BRAVO!!! Way to go!
>>
>>At least the Radio station offered the Obama 
>>campaign to come on the show to discuss/refute what Stanley says (The Obama
>>campaign declined.
>>
>>The ones throwing shit at Palin don't provide 
>>that opportunity. While Stanley Kurtz and the 
>>Ad campaign (correct or incorrect)
>>stated info based on Obama's past associations 
>>the shit thrown at Palin is pulled out of thin air.
>>
>>Funny thing is, Palin isn't running to the DOJ 
>>or sending out mass Emails telling people to wreak havoc.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Me
>>
>>
>>At 05:12 PM 9/6/2008, fluke fluke wrote:
>>>I dont see how you can judge a person  on the 
>>>basis of when they first got their passport .
>>>Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she just ............
>>>
>>>"Palin herself, questioned at the time, called 
>>>her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a 
>>>policy discussion with a department head 
>>>"about understanding and following 
>>>administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article."
>>>
>>>    I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, 
>>> they are dishonest , deceitful and they distort the democratic process .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>vassifer at earthlink.net
>>> > To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
>>> > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
>>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
>>> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get
>>> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
>>> >
>>> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book
>>> > is completely fucked up.
>>> >
>>> > May she rot.
>>> >
>>> > Alex in NYC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
>>> > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I
>>> > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>>> > >
>>> > > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
>>> > > snopes.com check.
>>> > >
>>> > > -Oliver
>>> > >
>>> > > <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>> > >> Check this one out...
>>> > >> ~LB
>>> > >>
>>> > >
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>>We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
>>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's 
>>loss. Therefore, losers contribute
>>to the society and winners take away from it. 
>>Being a winner is unethical, while
>>a society of losers is happy and striving as a 
>>collective. In the spirit of diversity,
>>inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>>Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book 
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 19:26:42 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <CD757DDB867E4CFB913377F7C42D91D6@Bell2007PC>
Message-ID: <360419.75208.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The irrationality is bigger than any one person. It's the entire Planet of O wobbling in orbit.
?
?? The entire Obama Nation is scurrying in a crazy panic right now as a result Palin. 
I'm just waiting for the irrational left to start saying "..and she's from Al-Asqa.*wink-wink*"
?
?? Witness the post-RNC?news reports?from?Obama offices?especially the HQ?Grand?Opening here?in L.A. 
?? Notice their (Obamanites')?lack of words?to make any real, signifcant reply 
against her. Notice?ALL the smears?and?The Enquirer-level shit dredged?up by 
left-wing bloggers. 
?? Notice the Fort Knox-size amounts of cold hard money being handed over by 
O's supporters.?They have?even practically banned (or self-censored)?the name 
of... Sarah Palin... [run!]?from any and all public usage of O's people - except when 
they are raising even more funds from?Obamanites. 
Or so the people inside the TV set keep?saying...


... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, TB <partyslammer at socal.rr.com> wrote:

From: TB <partyslammer at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 4:15 PM

"Alexander Smith" wrote:

> "she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."
>
> You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own
> decisions?

WTF?!?

> And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how
about the
> fact that she went back to work three days after her child with Down
> syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.

What, her husband isn't allowed to care for their child?

Let's get one thing straight, I'm not a Sarah Palin fan.  I thought she
was 
a gimmicky, short sighted choice on McCain's part which has led me to 
seriously consider voting for Obama this year despite my loathing of his 
vague, socialist agenda.  But that's irrelevant to my comments that follow.

So far, virtually every single negative you've brought against Palin is 
hysterical, rumor based nonsense.  Over time, you've really given me the 
impression you were a much more level headed person and to read post after 
post of this sorta ranting is a bit sad.  I'm not saying "change your
mind" 
or anything like that, but I wish you'd  offer up a better reason to reject

her than wide-eyed hysteria like the above.

T.B. 

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From cliffmonka at alaska.net  Sat Sep  6 20:15:24 2008
From: cliffmonka at alaska.net (cliffmonka at alaska.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:15:24 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>
References: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>
Message-ID: <33392.72.42.164.101.1220746524.squirrel@mymail.acsalaska.net>

Yeah sorry guys,Being an Alaskan resident,i can assure you we're all not like right
wing cnuts,this is embarassing to many people whome don't agree with this kind of
red neck church bible behavior.Have to say,from the beginning when i heard a few
years ago that Sarah ImPalin was anti abortion"anti Choice", and anti Gay
Marriage,i hated everything else she had to say.Guess someone wants her in power,i
don't get it,either there's alot of stupid fuckers out there or they had plans for
her to win for a while now,and put the fix in,either way,she's a right wing smiling
facist.
I'm voting Obama,baby.Cliff
P.s. Hey just watched a great documentary film called UNCOUNTED,you have to watch
it,bout how the electronic voting is fixed here in many parts of the US.
UNCOUNTEDTHEMOVIE.COM



> Check this one out...
>
> ~LB
>
>
>> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> banned  from the
>> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official  minutes
>> of the Library
>> Board. When she was unsuccessful at  having these books
>> banned, she tried to
>> have the librarian  fired.
>>
>> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for  book
>> burners.
>>
>> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony  Burgess
>>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine  L'Engle
>>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>    As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>   Blubber by Judy  Blume
>>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>    Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>   Canterbury Tales  by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>   Carrie by Stephen  King
>>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>   Christine  by Stephen King
>>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques  Rousseau
>>   Cujo by Stephen King
>>   Curses,  Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>   Daddy's Roommate by  Michael Willhoite
>>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert  Peck
>>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur  Miller
>>   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>   East of  Eden by John Steinbeck
>>   Fallen Angels by Walter  Myers
>>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by  John
>> Cleland
>>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel  Keyes
>>   Forever by Judy Blume
>>   Grendel by  John Champlin Gardner
>>   Halloween ABC by Eve  Merriam
>>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K.  Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K.  Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K.  Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K.  Rowling
>>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>    Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>   How to Eat Fried  Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark  Twain
>>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya  Angelou
>>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>    In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>   It's Okay if You  Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>   James and the Giant Peach by  Roald Dahl
>>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H.  Lawrence
>>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>    Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>   Lord of  the Flies by William Golding
>>   Love is One of the Choices by  Norma Klein
>>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>    More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>   My Brother  Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> Christopher  Collier
>>   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>   My  Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>   Night Chills by Dean  Koontz
>>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>    On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>   One Day in The Life of Ivan  Denisovich by Alexander
>> Solzhenitsyn
>>   One Flew Over  The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>   One Hundred Years of Solitude  by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>   Ordinary People by Judith  Guest
>>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>  Collective
>>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>    Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales  to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> Schwartz
>>   Scary Stories  in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>   Separate Peace by John  Knowles
>>   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>    Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>   Tarzan of the Apes  by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn  by Mark Twain
>>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark  Twain
>>   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>   The  Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>   The Chocolate War by  Robert Cormier
>>   The Color Purple by Alice  Walker
>>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick  Forsyth
>>   The Figure in the Shadows by John  Bellairs
>>   The Grapes of Wrath by John  Steinbeck
>>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine  Paterson
>>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret  Atwood
>>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha  Snyder
>>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>    The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>   The Merchant of Venice  by William Shakespeare
>>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy  McCoy and Charles
>> Wibbelsman
>>   The Pigman by Paul  Zindel
>>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence  Sanders
>>   The Shining by Stephen King
>>   The  Witches by Roald Dahl
>>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha  Snyder
>>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy  Blume
>>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper  Lee
>>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>    Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>  Merriam-Webster
>>   Editorial Staff
>>   Witches,  Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>  Halloween
>>   Symbols by Edna  Barth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From cliffmonka at alaska.net  Sat Sep  6 20:15:31 2008
From: cliffmonka at alaska.net (cliffmonka at alaska.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:15:31 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>
References: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>
Message-ID: <34424.72.42.164.101.1220746531.squirrel@mymail.acsalaska.net>

Yeah sorry guys,Being an Alaskan resident,i can assure you we're all not like right
wing cnuts,this is embarassing to many people whome don't agree with this kind of
red neck church bible behavior.Have to say,from the beginning when i heard a few
years ago that Sarah ImPalin was anti abortion"anti Choice", and anti Gay
Marriage,i hated everything else she had to say.Guess someone wants her in power,i
don't get it,either there's alot of stupid fuckers out there or they had plans for
her to win for a while now,and put the fix in,either way,she's a right wing smiling
facist.
I'm voting Obama,baby.Cliff
P.s. Hey just watched a great documentary film called UNCOUNTED,you have to watch
it,bout how the electronic voting is fixed here in many parts of the US.
UNCOUNTEDTHEMOVIE.COM



> Check this one out...
>
> ~LB
>
>
>> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> banned  from the
>> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official  minutes
>> of the Library
>> Board. When she was unsuccessful at  having these books
>> banned, she tried to
>> have the librarian  fired.
>>
>> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for  book
>> burners.
>>
>> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony  Burgess
>>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine  L'Engle
>>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>    As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>   Blubber by Judy  Blume
>>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>    Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>   Canterbury Tales  by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>   Carrie by Stephen  King
>>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>   Christine  by Stephen King
>>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques  Rousseau
>>   Cujo by Stephen King
>>   Curses,  Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>   Daddy's Roommate by  Michael Willhoite
>>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert  Peck
>>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur  Miller
>>   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>   East of  Eden by John Steinbeck
>>   Fallen Angels by Walter  Myers
>>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by  John
>> Cleland
>>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel  Keyes
>>   Forever by Judy Blume
>>   Grendel by  John Champlin Gardner
>>   Halloween ABC by Eve  Merriam
>>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K.  Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K.  Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K.  Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K.  Rowling
>>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>    Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>   How to Eat Fried  Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark  Twain
>>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya  Angelou
>>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>    In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>   It's Okay if You  Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>   James and the Giant Peach by  Roald Dahl
>>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H.  Lawrence
>>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>    Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>   Lord of  the Flies by William Golding
>>   Love is One of the Choices by  Norma Klein
>>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>    More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>   My Brother  Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> Christopher  Collier
>>   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>   My  Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>   Night Chills by Dean  Koontz
>>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>    On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>   One Day in The Life of Ivan  Denisovich by Alexander
>> Solzhenitsyn
>>   One Flew Over  The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>   One Hundred Years of Solitude  by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>   Ordinary People by Judith  Guest
>>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>  Collective
>>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>    Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales  to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> Schwartz
>>   Scary Stories  in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>   Separate Peace by John  Knowles
>>   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>    Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>   Tarzan of the Apes  by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn  by Mark Twain
>>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark  Twain
>>   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>   The  Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>   The Chocolate War by  Robert Cormier
>>   The Color Purple by Alice  Walker
>>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick  Forsyth
>>   The Figure in the Shadows by John  Bellairs
>>   The Grapes of Wrath by John  Steinbeck
>>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine  Paterson
>>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret  Atwood
>>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha  Snyder
>>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>    The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>   The Merchant of Venice  by William Shakespeare
>>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy  McCoy and Charles
>> Wibbelsman
>>   The Pigman by Paul  Zindel
>>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence  Sanders
>>   The Shining by Stephen King
>>   The  Witches by Roald Dahl
>>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha  Snyder
>>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy  Blume
>>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper  Lee
>>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>    Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>  Merriam-Webster
>>   Editorial Staff
>>   Witches,  Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>  Halloween
>>   Symbols by Edna  Barth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  6 20:19:30 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:19:30 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT - Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <d59.27cbe723.35f4349c@aol.com>
References: <d59.27cbe723.35f4349c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY107-W80433150D1B190E91FCCDED5A0@phx.gbl>


and then there were none..
 
Alaska = oil.
 
 
 
 



From: LONESTYLE at aol.comDate: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:31:40 -0400To: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned


Alex,
 
This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her! 
 
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From folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  6 20:21:25 2008
From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com (folk devil)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:21:25 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT - Alaskan
In-Reply-To: <34424.72.42.164.101.1220746531.squirrel@mymail.acsalaska.net>
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Cliff, how much of a minority are you, in that 700,000 population?> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:15:31 -0800> From: cliffmonka at alaska.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned> > Yeah sorry guys,Being an Alaskan resident,i can assure you we're all not like right> wing cnuts,this is embarassing to many people whome don't agree with this kind of> red neck church bible behavior.Have to say,from the beginning when i heard a few> years ago that Sarah ImPalin was anti abortion"anti Choice", and anti Gay> Marriage,i hated everything else she had to say.Guess someone wants her in power,i> don't get it,either there's alot of stupid fuckers out there or they had plans for> her to win for a while now,and put the fix in,either way,she's a right wing smiling> facist.> I'm voting Obama,baby.Cliff> 
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 20:28:00 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:28:00 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>
References: <d62.189bdb2b.35f43178@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0K6S008JLUMWK670@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

One last note LB...

Going through the list I did notice one book that's been banned repeatedly.

Huck Finn...

Unfortunately it was the left wing PC liberals who decided to ban it. :(
(Especially from HS curriculum)

Kinda scary huh?

Cheers,
Me


At 03:18 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>Check this one out...
>
>~LB
>
>
> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> > banned from the
> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
> > of the Library
> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
> > banned, she tried to
> > have the librarian fired.
> >
> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
> > burners.
> >
> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
> >   Carrie by Stephen King
> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
> >   Christine by Stephen King
> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
> >   Cujo by Stephen King
> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
> > Cleland
> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
> >   Forever by Judy Blume
> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> > Christopher Collier
> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
> > Solzhenitsyn
> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
> > Collective
> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> > Schwartz
> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
> > Wibbelsman
> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
> >   The Shining by Stephen King
> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
> > Merriam-Webster
> >   Editorial Staff
> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
> > Halloween
> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
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From fluwdot at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 20:33:41 2008
From: fluwdot at earthlink.net (fluw)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:33:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [kj] palin ban
Message-ID: <26786567.1220747622164.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

how many people on the gathering doubt if sarah palin were to become aware of killing joke cd's or, (haha finally) a jaz coleman book in a library, she would not have them banned?

as a killing joke fan, would you be apposed to this banning?

as your nations VP and following a very likely health failure from Mc Cain, she would then be your president and the most powerful nutcase in the world, are you comfortable with her decision making? 

or would you rather she just go back to running cliff's state like a despot on a runaway train and get with a proper sex reassignment surgery and promptly get on with giving her twin wynona judd a stiff ass to mouth?

i vote for giving it to wynona

From cliffmonka at alaska.net  Sat Sep  6 20:59:04 2008
From: cliffmonka at alaska.net (cliffmonka at alaska.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:59:04 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <8415F0E6-4B74-496E-A5D5-08C195926C05@earthlink.net>
References: <12762.49939.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8415F0E6-4B74-496E-A5D5-08C195926C05@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <33701.72.42.164.101.1220749144.squirrel@mymail.acsalaska.net>

Haha Alex good homework buddy.I almost went for that full steam,it fits her profile
bigtime.I fear this is what we'll face if she get's to be VP,and yes if McCnut
get's assinated or has a fart attack,she'll be in charge? Holy Cow Batman,that's
bout as fuked a scenario i could imagine.We don't need more half brained
brainwashed right wing leaders telling us what to say no to,and then taking bribes
and starting wars on behalf of corporate America.
Had enuf of this already,makes me wanna go postal.
They do not represent me or my family or my vision of America.
Further more,ImPalin recently had a baby boy with DOWNS Syndrome and mentioned last
thursday in her speech that she'll be a ADVOCATE for people with SPECIAL
NEEDS,which makes my heart excited,yet i know she's a fucking LIAR and has done
nothing to help this situation here in Alaska.I work with people with special
needs,and we hear this kinda bullshit all the time from people.Tehy smile at
you,and then do nothing.Look there's no money in helping the disabled,or homeless
people,this bitch won't do a damn thing.
Impalin did say she had soemthing to do with fighting to get these local Ak
politicians Don Young Ted Stevens and few others who are corrupt in
trouble,"cleaning up Ak politics".A damn lie,actually was the FEDS who did it,and
others have been trying to clena up AK politics for years. HSe's trying to take
credit for something she had nothing to do with.
Also the gas pipeline thing has been going on for years in the planning,and ImPalin
said it'll be done soon,and that's not true,another LIE.
Fuk that,my bullshit dectector is flashing RED.
Cliff


>
> Michelle Malkin (shrill Republican lapdog pundit) has already refuted
> this:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2075911/posts
>
> ...but it still fits the profile.
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:29 PM, sade1 wrote:
>
>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>> since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>> ..or better yet,
>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>
>>
>>
>> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>
>> [looking at the current state of things]
>>
>> 'Save me...
>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>> Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>> To: gathering at misera.net
>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>
>> Check this one out...
>>
>> ~LB
>>
>>
>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> > banned from the
>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>> > of the Library
>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>> > banned, she tried to
>> > have the librarian fired.
>> >
>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>> > burners.
>> >
>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>> > Cleland
>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> > Christopher Collier
>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>> > Solzhenitsyn
>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>> > Collective
>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> > Schwartz
>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>> > Wibbelsman
>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>> > Merriam-Webster
>> >   Editorial Staff
>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>> > Halloween
>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus
>> the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
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From jeffmccollough at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 21:08:31 2008
From: jeffmccollough at earthlink.net (jeffmccollough at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:08:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
Message-ID: <22000184.1220749711612.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

No one seems to understand that fact especially considering this list might be considered anti american by her and her cronies. Poor Michael Palin must be ready throw things at his tele when they mention her name with his in the same sound bite.  Alex is right on the money.

-----Original Message-----
>From: cliffmonka at alaska.net
>Sent: Sep 6, 2008 5:59 PM
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>
>Haha Alex good homework buddy.I almost went for that full steam,it fits her profile
>bigtime.I fear this is what we'll face if she get's to be VP,and yes if McCnut
>get's assinated or has a fart attack,she'll be in charge? Holy Cow Batman,that's
>bout as fuked a scenario i could imagine.We don't need more half brained
>brainwashed right wing leaders telling us what to say no to,and then taking bribes
>and starting wars on behalf of corporate America.
>Had enuf of this already,makes me wanna go postal.
>They do not represent me or my family or my vision of America.
>Further more,ImPalin recently had a baby boy with DOWNS Syndrome and mentioned last
>thursday in her speech that she'll be a ADVOCATE for people with SPECIAL
>NEEDS,which makes my heart excited,yet i know she's a fucking LIAR and has done
>nothing to help this situation here in Alaska.I work with people with special
>needs,and we hear this kinda bullshit all the time from people.Tehy smile at
>you,and then do nothing.Look there's no money in helping the disabled,or homeless
>people,this bitch won't do a damn thing.
>Impalin did say she had soemthing to do with fighting to get these local Ak
>politicians Don Young Ted Stevens and few others who are corrupt in
>trouble,"cleaning up Ak politics".A damn lie,actually was the FEDS who did it,and
>others have been trying to clena up AK politics for years. HSe's trying to take
>credit for something she had nothing to do with.
>Also the gas pipeline thing has been going on for years in the planning,and ImPalin
>said it'll be done soon,and that's not true,another LIE.
>Fuk that,my bullshit dectector is flashing RED.
>Cliff
>
>
>>
>> Michelle Malkin (shrill Republican lapdog pundit) has already refuted
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2075911/posts
>>
>> ...but it still fits the profile.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:29 PM, sade1 wrote:
>>
>>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>>> since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>>> ..or better yet,
>>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>
>>> [looking at the current state of things]
>>>
>>> 'Save me...
>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>>> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>>> Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>> To: gathering at misera.net
>>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>>
>>> Check this one out...
>>>
>>> ~LB
>>>
>>>
>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>> > banned from the
>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>> > of the Library
>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>> > banned, she tried to
>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>> >
>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>> > burners.
>>> >
>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>> > Cleland
>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>> > Christopher Collier
>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>> > Collective
>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>> > Schwartz
>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>> > Wibbelsman
>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>> > Halloween
>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus
>>> the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
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From bettedillinger at live.com  Sat Sep  6 21:15:51 2008
From: bettedillinger at live.com (Bette Dillinger)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:15:51 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Actually (I can't even write that word without thinking of Coleman's love of it.....lol) PC bullshit by "lefties" had nothing to do with the push to ban Huckleberry Finn.  There is a great book called "One Hundred Banned Books", which talks about the fights the book has had since its publication.  Check that book out for the really detailed description of the fights school districts had had with the book.  Quite remarkable.
 
Found a light summary that explains it, but I recommend the above book for real references and details:
 
"In 1885, Concord Public Library banned the book. Mark Twain wrote to Charles Webster on March 18, 1885: "The Committee of the Public Library of Concord, Mass., have given us a rattling tip-top puff which will go into every paper in the country. They have expelled Huck from their library as 'trash and suitable only for the slums.' That will sell 25,000 copies for us sure." In 1902, the Brooklyn Public Library banned The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn with the statement that "Huck not only itched but he scratched," and that he said "sweat" when he should have said "perspiration.""
 
Suitable for the slums and using "sweat" instead of "perspiration"........sounds like today's 
concretized thinking from a certain faction.
 
Bette Dillinger



Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:28:00 -0400From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted bannedOne last note LB...Going through the list I did notice one book that's been banned repeatedly.Huck Finn...Unfortunately it was the left wing PC liberals who decided to ban it. :((Especially from HS curriculum)Kinda scary huh?Cheers,MeAt 03:18 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
Check this one out... ~LB  > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have> banned from the> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes> of the Library> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books> banned, she tried to> have the librarian fired.> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book> burners.> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden>   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner>   Blubber by Judy Blume>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley>   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson>   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer>   Carrie by Stephen King>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller>   Christine by Stephen King>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau>   Cujo by Stephen King>   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen>   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller>   Decameron by Boccaccio>   East of Eden by John Steinbeck>   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John> Cleland>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes>   Forever by Judy Blume>   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner>   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch>   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman>   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth>   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak>   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein>   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman>   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm>   Lord of the Flies by William Golding>   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes>   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz>   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and> Christopher Collier>   My House by Nikki Giovanni>   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara>   Night Chills by Dean Koontz>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck>   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer>   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander> Solzhenitsyn>   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey>   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez>   Ordinary People by Judith Guest>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health> Collective>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy>   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin> Schwartz>   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz>   Separate Peace by John Knowles>   Silas Marner by George Eliot>   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.>   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain>   The Bastard by John Jakes>   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger>   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier>   The Color Purple by Alice Walker>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth>   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs>   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks>   The Living Bible by William C. Bower>   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles> Wibbelsman>   The Pigman by Paul Zindel>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders>   The Shining by Stephen King>   The Witches by Roald Dahl>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare>   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the> Merriam-Webster>   Editorial Staff>   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the> Halloween>   Symbols by Edna Barth      

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From bettedillinger at live.com  Sat Sep  6 21:17:43 2008
From: bettedillinger at live.com (Bette Dillinger)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:17:43 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - Alaskan
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Don't give her the cool name of Impalin!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:21:25 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] OT - Alaskan


Cliff, how much of a minority are you, in that 700,000 population?> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:15:31 -0800> From: cliffmonka at alaska.net> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned> > Yeah sorry guys,Being an Alaskan resident,i can assure you we're all not like right> wing cnuts,this is embarassing to many people whome don't agree with this kind of> red neck church bible behavior.Have to say,from the beginning when i heard a few> years ago that Sarah ImPalin was anti abortion"anti Choice", and anti Gay> Marriage,i hated everything else she had to say.Guess someone wants her in power,i> don't get it,either there's alot of stupid fuckers out there or they had plans for> her to win for a while now,and put the fix in,either way,she's a right wing smiling> facist.> I'm voting Obama,baby.Cliff> 

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From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Sat Sep  6 21:18:40 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:18:40 -0700
Subject: [kj] palin ban
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"fluw" wrote:


> how many people on the gathering doubt if sarah palin were to become aware 
> of killing joke cd's or, (haha finally) a jaz coleman book in a library, 
> she would not have them banned?
>
> as a killing joke fan, would you be apposed to this banning?
>
> as your nations VP and following a very likely health failure from Mc 
> Cain,

(snip)

Mr Dick "Sheer Heart Attack" Cheney has been defying death for the last two 
decades.  I wouldn't get too worked up over McCain kicking the bucket yet.

T.B. 


From cliffmonka at alaska.net  Sat Sep  6 21:18:14 2008
From: cliffmonka at alaska.net (cliffmonka at alaska.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:18:14 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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yeah bongo,
triple anal gangbang,george bush sr & jr & dick cheney on reagan's tomb


> in her defense, she does have a certain 'fuckability'...
>
> =)


>
> On 9/7/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
>> Mushroom burgers, likes to hunt and doesn't like weed. These are some
>> of the reasons you can't stand this woman?
>> This is associated with evil?
>>
>> May *Insert deity here* have mercy on us all.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:31 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>>Alex,
>>>
>>>This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
>>>
>>>By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She
>>>likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and
>>>did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs
>>>out. Thanks Alex.
>>>
>>>~LB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
>>>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>>>
>>>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture
>>>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>>>
>>>If you care:
>>>
>>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>>>
>>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>>>
>>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>>>
>>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>>>
>>>Alex in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Check this one out...
>>>>
>>>>~LB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>>> > banned from the
>>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>>> > of the Library
>>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>>> > banned, she tried to
>>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>>> >
>>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>>> > burners.
>>>> >
>>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>>> > Cleland
>>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>>> > Christopher Collier
>>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>>> > Collective
>>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>>> > Schwartz
>>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>>> > Wibbelsman
>>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>>> > Halloween
>>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
>> Darwinism.
>> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
>> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
>> contribute
>> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
>> unethical, while
>> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
>> spirit of diversity,
>> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
>> player.
>>
>
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From fluwdot at earthlink.net  Sat Sep  6 21:25:19 2008
From: fluwdot at earthlink.net (fluw)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:25:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [kj] palin ban clarification from time magazine
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this quote from Time Magazine makes it more clear:

----------

"Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

----------

this is not a good sign of a level headed politician!

From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Sat Sep  6 21:28:26 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:28:26 -0700
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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jeffmccollough at earthlink.net wrote:


> No one seems to understand that fact especially considering this list 
> might be considered anti american by her and her cronies.

Oh, for fucks sake - with some of you people it's all "the sky is falling, 
the sky is falling."  Rock n' roll music (and free speech) survived the 
whole Tipper Gore bullshit in the late 80's, I strongly doubt anyone is 
going to somehow put the kibosh on Killing Joke or their mailing list.

T.B. 


From partyslammer at socal.rr.com  Sat Sep  6 21:32:22 2008
From: partyslammer at socal.rr.com (TB)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:32:22 -0700
Subject: [kj] palin ban clarification from time magazine
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"fluw" wrote:


> this quote from Time Magazine makes it more clear:
>
> ----------
>
> "Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs 
> into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about 
> banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had 
> inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, 
> Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from 
> the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full 
> support" to the mayor."
>
> http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

I'm shocked.  Time Magazine running a story without verification from the 
source regarding an issue.

T.B. 


From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  6 22:14:06 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:14:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] palin ban
Message-ID: <907089.42442.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

good pun there: Palin-ban...
?
?? I?really wish she would ban any and all Killing Joke?material from 
every public library and public radio station and public television?programming?
because it would drive Killing Joke sales thru the roof? and finally 
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? make them superstars.
?
*pictures Jaz, Paul, Geordie and Benny/Reza dressed & running like in A Hard Day's Night*

?

?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

?

?






--- On Sat, 9/6/08, fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
Subject: [kj] palin ban
To: "gathering at misera.net" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 5:33 PM

how many people on the gathering doubt if sarah palin were to become aware of
killing joke cd's or, (haha finally) a jaz coleman book in a library, she
would not have them banned?

as a killing joke fan, would you be apposed to this banning?

as your nations VP and following a very likely health failure from Mc Cain, she
would then be your president and the most powerful nutcase in the world, are you
comfortable with her decision making? 

or would you rather she just go back to running cliff's state like a despot
on a runaway train and get with a proper sex reassignment surgery and promptly
get on with giving her twin wynona judd a stiff ass to mouth?

i vote for giving it to wynona
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 23:41:06 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:41:06 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Bette, I'm referring to RECENT bans on the buck. I know about the 
1885 stuff as well.

It's been fought about for ages. The most recent ones were by the PC crew...



At 09:15 PM 9/6/2008, Bette Dillinger wrote:
>Actually (I can't even write that word without thinking of Coleman's 
>love of it.....lol) PC bullshit by "lefties" had nothing to do with 
>the push to ban Huckleberry Finn.  There is a great book called "One 
>Hundred Banned Books", which talks about the fights the book has had 
>since its publication.  Check that book out for the really detailed 
>description of the fights school districts had had with the 
>book.  Quite remarkable.
>
>Found a light summary that explains it, but I recommend the above 
>book for real references and details:
>
>"In 1885, Concord Public Library banned the book. Mark Twain wrote 
>to Charles Webster on March 18, 1885: "The Committee of the Public 
>Library of Concord, Mass., have given us a rattling tip-top puff 
>which will go into every paper in the country. They have expelled 
>Huck from their library as 'trash and suitable only for the slums.' 
>That will sell 25,000 copies for us sure." In 1902, the Brooklyn 
>Public Library banned The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn with the 
>statement that "Huck not only itched but he scratched," and that he 
>said "sweat" when he should have said "perspiration.""
>
>Suitable for the slums and using "sweat" instead of 
>"perspiration"........sounds like today's
>concretized thinking from a certain faction.
>
>Bette Dillinger
>
>
>
>
>----------
>
>Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:28:00 -0400
>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>
>One last note LB...
>
>Going through the list I did notice one book that's been banned repeatedly.
>
>Huck Finn...
>
>Unfortunately it was the left wing PC liberals who decided to ban it. :(
>(Especially from HS curriculum)
>
>Kinda scary huh?
>
>Cheers,
>Me
>
>
>At 03:18 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>
>Check this one out...
>
>~LB
>
>
> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> > banned from the
> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
> > of the Library
> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
> > banned, she tried to
> > have the librarian fired.
> >
> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
> > burners.
> >
> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
> >   Carrie by Stephen King
> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
> >   Christine by Stephen King
> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
> >   Cujo by Stephen King
> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
> > Cleland
> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
> >   Forever by Judy Blume
> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> > Christopher Collier
> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
> > Solzhenitsyn
> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
> > Collective
> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> > Schwartz
> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
> > Wibbelsman
> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
> >   The Shining by Stephen King
> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
> > Merriam-Webster
> >   Editorial Staff
> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
> > Halloween
> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sat Sep  6 23:48:16 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:48:16 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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http://www.fightthepalinsmears.com/smears/cut-special-needs-budget/

Have a gander.



At 08:59 PM 9/6/2008, cliffmonka at alaska.net wrote:
>Further more,ImPalin recently had a baby boy with DOWNS Syndrome and 
>mentioned last
>thursday in her speech that she'll be a ADVOCATE for people with SPECIAL
>NEEDS,which makes my heart excited,yet i know she's a fucking LIAR 
>and has done
>nothing to help this situation here in Alaska.I work with people with special
>needs,and we hear this kinda bullshit all the time from people.Tehy smile at
>you,and then do nothing.Look there's no money in helping the 
>disabled,or homeless
>people,this bitch won't do a damn thing.

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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sun Sep  7 00:01:09 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:01:09 -0400
Subject: [kj] palin ban
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Just like she did NOT ban any books nor did she try to IMPOSE 
creationism in classes
I think it's quite fair to state that she would NOT ban KJ related 
stuff. If this is the most
extreme stuff that you think exists you need to do a tad more reading.

It's nice to make presumptions based on no facts but reaching for 
straws gets tiresome
after a while does it not?


At 08:33 PM 9/6/2008, fluw wrote:
>how many people on the gathering doubt if sarah palin were to become 
>aware of killing joke cd's or, (haha finally) a jaz coleman book in 
>a library, she would not have them banned?
>
>as a killing joke fan, would you be apposed to this banning?
>
>as your nations VP and following a very likely health failure from 
>Mc Cain, she would then be your president and the most powerful 
>nutcase in the world, are you comfortable with her decision making?
>
>or would you rather she just go back to running cliff's state like a 
>despot on a runaway train and get with a proper sex reassignment 
>surgery and promptly get on with giving her twin wynona judd a stiff 
>ass to mouth?
>
>i vote for giving it to wynona
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  7 00:40:51 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:40:51 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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"I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child  
rearing. "

She's the one who invokes her motherhood at every opportunity. That  
makes it fair game.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:10 PM, The Exorcist wrote:

> Huh? So if Bristol is 17 and can make her own decisions why are people
> tacking her onto her Mother? You tell me... *shrug*
>
> There are plenty of people out there with different lives and  
> circumstances.
>
> Some have 10 kids and they're all well behaved, some have 2 and all  
> hell breaks loose.
>
> Have you seen any signs of neglect on her children? How many WOMEN  
> have gone to work shortly
> after having a child? Many! Especially if they have a husband and  
> family at home that can help
> with the kids.
>
> I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child  
> rearing.
>
> Sincerely,
> Me
>
> At 06:42 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:
>
>> "she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."
>>
>> You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own  
>> decisions?
>>
>> And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about the  
>> fact that she went back to work three days after her child with  
>> Down syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM, sade1 wrote:
>>
>>> > she still loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house...
>>>
>>>   That's a 3-pointer, right there. That (above) is the different  
>>> between regular
>>> parenting and good parenting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>
>>> [looking at the current state of things]
>>>
>>> 'Save me...
>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, The Exorcist <  
>>> killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
>>> From: The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net 
>>> >
>>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM
>>>
>>> Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent?
>>>
>>> You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You  
>>> can't FORCE someone
>>> to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many  
>>> parents have kids that don't listen to them?
>>> Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left  
>>> wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?
>>>
>>> That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her  
>>> daughter getting preggers and she still loves
>>> her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Me
>>>
>>> At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:
>>>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>>
>>>> consistency and contraception apparently
>>>>
>>>> sade1 wrote:
>>>>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>>>>> since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>>>>> ..or better yet,
>>>>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>>>
>>>>> [looking at the current state of things]
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Save me...
>>>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>>>>> Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net
>>>>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Check this one out...
>>>>>
>>>>> ~LB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>>>> > banned from the
>>>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>>>> > of the Library
>>>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>>>> > banned, she tried to
>>>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>>>> > burners.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>>>> > Cleland
>>>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>>>> > Christopher Collier
>>>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>>>> > Collective
>>>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>>>> > Schwartz
>>>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>>>> > Wibbelsman
>>>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>>>> > Halloween
>>>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From cliffmonka at alaska.net  Sun Sep  7 00:47:58 2008
From: cliffmonka at alaska.net (cliffmonka at alaska.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:47:58 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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hey thanks for the argument,not sure about those facts,but it's true,financial
support for Alaska has been cut every year for a while now.we march on the state
capital and in the major cities when the legeslators are in session in febuary,to
help raise awareness.So as a come back i will say,if it was low it's because it's
been cut so drastic for many years,maybe now it is closer to where is should have
been.I still say ImPalin is a smiling facist,and nothing more.Christian do gooder
who is more dangerous because she thinks she's doing the correct thing,gods
will,haha.the sickness continues folks,Cheers for the debate,Cliff

> http://www.fightthepalinsmears.com/smears/cut-special-needs-budget/
>
> Have a gander.
>
>
>
> At 08:59 PM 9/6/2008, cliffmonka at alaska.net wrote:
>>Further more,ImPalin recently had a baby boy with DOWNS Syndrome and
>>mentioned last
>>thursday in her speech that she'll be a ADVOCATE for people with SPECIAL
>>NEEDS,which makes my heart excited,yet i know she's a fucking LIAR
>>and has done
>>nothing to help this situation here in Alaska.I work with people with special
>>needs,and we hear this kinda bullshit all the time from people.Tehy smile at
>>you,and then do nothing.Look there's no money in helping the
>>disabled,or homeless
>>people,this bitch won't do a damn thing.
>
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  7 00:50:02 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:50:02 -0400
Subject: [kj] palin ban
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As far as I'm concerned, there is no difference between wanting to  
impose creationism in schools and merely wanting to have it "taught  
alongside" conventional scientific study for the sake of "healthy  
debate." Creationism has no place in schools in any capacity. Full stop.

I'm not worried about Sarah Palin banning KJ discs (Killing Joke  
should be so lucky to garner such publicity). I'm just fucking sick of  
right wing, Pro-life, Bible-bangin', gun-carrying wing nuts and their  
bullshit agenda. It begins and ends there.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 7, 2008, at 12:01 AM, The Exorcist wrote:

> Just like she did NOT ban any books nor did she try to IMPOSE  
> creationism in classes
> I think it's quite fair to state that she would NOT ban KJ related  
> stuff. If this is the most
> extreme stuff that you think exists you need to do a tad more reading.
>
> It's nice to make presumptions based on no facts but reaching for  
> straws gets tiresome
> after a while does it not?
>
>
> At 08:33 PM 9/6/2008, fluw wrote:
>> how many people on the gathering doubt if sarah palin were to  
>> become aware of killing joke cd's or, (haha finally) a jaz coleman  
>> book in a library, she would not have them banned?
>>
>> as a killing joke fan, would you be apposed to this banning?
>>
>> as your nations VP and following a very likely health failure from  
>> Mc Cain, she would then be your president and the most powerful  
>> nutcase in the world, are you comfortable with her decision making?
>>
>> or would you rather she just go back to running cliff's state like  
>> a despot on a runaway train and get with a proper sex reassignment  
>> surgery and promptly get on with giving her twin wynona judd a  
>> stiff ass to mouth?
>>
>> i vote for giving it to wynona
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  7 00:51:18 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:51:18 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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I find Sarah Palin singularly embodies everything that is wrong with  
America. That's pretty much it. You may beg to differ. It's your choice.

Alex in NYC



On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:15 PM, TB wrote:

> "Alexander Smith" wrote:
>
>> "she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."
>>
>> You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own
>> decisions?
>
> WTF?!?
>
>> And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about the
>> fact that she went back to work three days after her child with Down
>> syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.
>
> What, her husband isn't allowed to care for their child?
>
> Let's get one thing straight, I'm not a Sarah Palin fan.  I thought  
> she was a gimmicky, short sighted choice on McCain's part which has  
> led me to seriously consider voting for Obama this year despite my  
> loathing of his vague, socialist agenda.  But that's irrelevant to  
> my comments that follow.
>
> So far, virtually every single negative you've brought against Palin  
> is hysterical, rumor based nonsense.  Over time, you've really given  
> me the impression you were a much more level headed person and to  
> read post after post of this sorta ranting is a bit sad.  I'm not  
> saying "change your mind" or anything like that, but I wish you'd   
> offer up a better reason to reject her than wide-eyed hysteria like  
> the above.
>
> T.B.
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 01:05:56 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:05:56 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon
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Yeah death by a thousand cuts is what some have said...long drawn out
deflation / de-levereging of various bubbles. Huge amounts of wealth in
the real estate and commodities markets in particular have been lost and
it's not getting any better. Many equities markets are down 20% since
their peaks last year. That's not hugely unusual over time, but it's still
going, other markets are performing very poorly, and inflation and
unemployment are rising pretty quickly, and it seems to have a long way to
go yet. Depends on who you listen to.

>
> We are at the beginnings of a big  recession, seems like that its
> worldwide as well .
> The American mortgage markets collapse seems to be the cause of the World
> recession .
> Prices of necessary commodities are rising in the U.K and bills are going
> up and wages are not rising to match these price increases.
>    People therefore have higher living expenses and therefore they have
> less money to spend , so they cut back on unnecessary expenses, like
> coffees from coffee shops and such things , so the services industry
> sees a fall in income and cuts back on its staff .
>    The building industry has collapsed in the U.K. and that is always the
> first industry to go, the other industries follow .
>    Tighten your belts everyone.....this is going to be a long one
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:05:32 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To:
>> gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] OT: Financial armageddon> >
>> Surprisingly apocalyptic attitude from a mainstream site. Bit technical>
>> but that's the field I suppose. Was forwarded this by my old boss at
>> the> bank in NZ. He seems very canny in terms of knowing what's going
>> on. Sold> his house just before the $hit hit the fan over here, exactly
>> on the peak> actually. Warned me than of what was coming, told me to put
>> everything I> have in cash. According to some the worst has passed.> >
>> According to others it hasn't really started...> >
>> http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6048.html> > > > > > > >
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 01:08:21 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:08:21 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
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Was wondering when the rest of you were gonna cotton on!

> Yep, the fucktard is back..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
> Behalf Of sade1
> Sent: 06 September 2008 00:59
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
>
>
>
>> I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear,
>
> It's him, It's him, i knew it!
>
>
>
>
> Get him!  8P
>
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>
> [looking at the current state of things]
>
> 'Save me...
>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
>
> --- On Fri, 9/5/08, woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 1:18 PM
>
>
> I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, and it's in your colour too
>
> fluke fluke wrote:
>
> "Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air,
> dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having
> the occasional blast et al - within reason."
>
>
>
> Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
> Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means make as much noise
> as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100
> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
>
>
> Bollocks!
> Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
> He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his
> methods of social control include using explosives because the authorities
> have told him that there isn't an issue in the sane world.  I'm
> considering (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he
> continues to use such threatening behaviour.
> There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of
> noisephobics.  The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
> Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air,
> dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having
> the occasional blast et al - within reason.  Those who can't cope with
> that joie de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over others.
> It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
> If their personal problems are really that big then they should live in
> their own village.
> Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' sons
> drumming et al, either that or work on my tolerance levels.  Let people
> living their lives and having fun be.
> Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol
>
>
>
> You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?
> You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if that
> were the case, then the other guy wouldn't be acting the way that he is .
>    The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just for ten
> minutes a  day .
> Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse other
> people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal neurosis " and
> you say that this is the reason as to why they complain .
>     They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis , they
> are complaining because the music is annoying . It is irresponsible
> and anti social to subject your neighbours to such an extent that they
> have to take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .
>     It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
> From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
>
>
>
> What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself
> a deprivision tank?'
> Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own
> way.
> Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.  Fuck
> that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the
> chance and they're given way too much power these days.
> We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is
> for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're getting tacked up
> for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us.
> The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so
> because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs
> bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the
> neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and
> yells at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into
> his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs
> to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors
> about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every
> opportunity.
> Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social
> intolerances.
>
>
>
>
>
> If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through
> headphones ?
> Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music ..
>   Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and
> if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the
> problem .
>
>
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 01:11:23 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:11:23 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT: which free webmail?
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Yeah they can fuck right off with that one, christ the gall of some
companies. "Anything you put into your browser we own." That was idiotic 
and their excuse was lame.

EPIC FAIL.

> After the EULA fiasco for chrome I'm not so sure they can be called
> the lesser....
>
> At 02:32 AM 9/6/2008, Brendan wrote:
>>Thier whole business model is more fragile than many realise. Anyone
>> could
>>come up with the better search engine any day and out-Google
>>Google...except insofar as a % of people have become so used to Googling
>>that it's now synonymous with web searching.
>>
>>Over time they are diversifying into other markets, I'm keen to give
>> their
>>new browser, Chrome, a try. I think they are the lesser of 2 evils.
>>
>>Then again, Microsoft is giving away an awful lot of $ through their
>> charity.
>>
>> > But who keeps Google in check?
>> >
>> > At 05:35 AM 9/5/2008, Brendan wrote:
>> >>If you want to use it at work make sure it's one you can access
>> through
>> >>the company system, test it out first. Other than that the limits
>> these
>> >>days are crazy, Gmail is at least 2GB, hotmail is 5 last time I
>> checked
>> >>but I don't like Micro$oft.
>> >>
>> >>I'd recommend Google (gmail), only real company that can keep
>> Microsoft
>> >> in
>> >>check...their anti-spam is good too. They also offer loads of other
>> >>services on top of gmail...
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Peeps,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm thinking of separating my personal stuff from this work
>> address.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Which free web based email would you recommend?  Yahoo Mail,
>> Hotmail,
>> >> > Gmail?  Something else?  The bigger the inbox the better - don't
>> want
>> >> to
>> >> > start bouncing when the Gathering is at its busiest!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >
>> >> > Janean
>> >> >
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>> > We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is
>> someone
>> > else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
>> > contribute
>> > to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
>> > unethical, while
>> > a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
>> > spirit of diversity,
>> > inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>> > Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
>> > player.
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> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 01:25:26 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:25:26 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Aah my guilty pleasure for Danzig just got a touch less guilty. Check this
out for a laugh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f5Hqy9lMiU

There's any amount of intentionally or unintentionally funny stuff about
Evil Elvis online. Aqua Teen Hunger Force featured him quite a bit in an
episode...

>
> Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>
> Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture
> Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>
> If you care:
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Check this one out...
>>
>> ~LB
>>
>>
>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> > banned from the
>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>> > of the Library
>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>> > banned, she tried to
>> > have the librarian fired.
>> >
>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>> > burners.
>> >
>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>> > Cleland
>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> > Christopher Collier
>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>> > Solzhenitsyn
>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>> > Collective
>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> > Schwartz
>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>> > Wibbelsman
>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>> > Merriam-Webster
>> >   Editorial Staff
>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>> > Halloween
>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 01:30:46 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:30:46 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <505937.5784.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <d59.27cbe723.35f4349c@aol.com>
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Since when does god need his own 'metal militia?'

Mine does :D


>    This website has several articles on Sarah Palin that can make your
> food see
> the light of day again. And Youtube.com has several videos of her involved
> with heavy
> metal-tinged fringe churches all praying to God for an oil pipeline, and
> to further
> God's will in Iraq.
>
>
>    ..Since when does god need his own 'metal militia?'....
>
>
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>
> [looking at the current state of things]
>
> 'Save me...
>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:31 PM
>
>
>
>
> Alex,
>
> This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
>
> By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She likes
> mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and did not like
> it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs out. Thanks Alex.
>
> ~LB
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>
>
> Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture Palin"
> post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>
>
> If you care:
>
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Check this one out...
>
> ~LB
>
>
>> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> banned from the
>> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>> of the Library
>> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>> banned, she tried to
>> have the librarian fired.
>>
>> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>> burners.
>>
>> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>   Carrie by Stephen King
>>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>   Christine by Stephen King
>>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>   Cujo by Stephen King
>>   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>> Cleland
>>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>   Forever by Judy Blume
>>   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> Christopher Collier
>>   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>> Solzhenitsyn
>>   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>> Collective
>>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> Schwartz
>>   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>> Wibbelsman
>>   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>   The Shining by Stephen King
>>   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>> Merriam-Webster
>>   Editorial Staff
>>   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>> Halloween
>>   Symbols by Edna Barth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the
> latest fall trends and hair styles at
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sun Sep  7 01:31:45 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:31:45 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <3D2CCAAF-E3DF-4A04-B478-3C38EF56A38F@earthlink.net>
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Nope... The Media went into it when someone started the rumor about 
her not being the mother of her child Trig.

At 12:40 AM 9/7/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:

>"I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child rearing. "
>
>She's the one who invokes her motherhood at every opportunity. That 
>makes it fair game.
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:10 PM, The Exorcist wrote:
>
>>Huh? So if Bristol is 17 and can make her own decisions why are people
>>tacking her onto her Mother? You tell me... *shrug*
>>
>>There are plenty of people out there with different lives and circumstances.
>>
>>Some have 10 kids and they're all well behaved, some have 2 and all 
>>hell breaks loose.
>>
>>Have you seen any signs of neglect on her children? How many WOMEN 
>>have gone to work shortly
>>after having a child? Many! Especially if they have a husband and 
>>family at home that can help
>>with the kids.
>>
>>I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child rearing.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Me
>>
>>At 06:42 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:
>>
>>>"she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."
>>>
>>>You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own decisions?
>>>
>>>And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about 
>>>the fact that she went back to work three days after her child 
>>>with Down syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.
>>>
>>>Alex in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM, sade1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> > she still loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house...
>>>>
>>>>   That's a 3-pointer, right there. That (above) is the different 
>>>> between regular
>>>>parenting and good parenting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>>
>>>>[looking at the current state of things]
>>>>
>>>>'Save me...
>>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- On Sat, 9/6/08, The Exorcist 
>>>><<mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> 
>>>>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
>>>>From: The Exorcist <<mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> 
>>>>killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>>>><<mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net>
>>>>Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM
>>>>Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent?
>>>>You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You 
>>>>can't FORCE someone
>>>>to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many 
>>>>parents have kids that don't listen to them?
>>>>Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left 
>>>>wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?
>>>>That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her 
>>>>daughter getting preggers and she still loves
>>>>her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>Me
>>>>At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:
>>>>>what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>>>consistency and contraception apparently
>>>>>sade1 wrote:
>>>>>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>>>>>>since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>>>>>>..or better yet,
>>>>>>what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[looking at the current state of things]
>>>>>>'Save me...
>>>>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>>>>--- On Sat, 9/6/08, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com 
>>>>>><mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com><LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>From: <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com 
>>>>>><mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com><LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>>>>>>Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>>>>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net
>>>>>>Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>>>>>Check this one out...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>~LB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>>>>> > banned from the
>>>>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>>>>> > of the Library
>>>>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>>>>> > banned, she tried to
>>>>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>>>>> > burners.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>>>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>>>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>>>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>>>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>>>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>>>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>>>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>>>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>>>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>>>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>>>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>>>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>>>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>>>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>>>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>>>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>>>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>>>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>>>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>>>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>>>>> > Cleland
>>>>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>>>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>>>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>>>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>>>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>>>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>>>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>>>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>>>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>>>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>>>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>>>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>>>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>>>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>>>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>>>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>>>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>>>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>>>>> > Christopher Collier
>>>>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>>>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>>>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>>>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>>>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>>>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>>>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>>>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>>>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>>>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>>>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>>>>> > Collective
>>>>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>>>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>>>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>>>>> > Schwartz
>>>>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>>>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>>>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>>>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>>>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>>>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>>>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>>>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>>>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>>>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>>>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>>>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>>>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>>>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>>>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>>>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>>>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>>>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>>>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>>>>> > Wibbelsman
>>>>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>>>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>>>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>>>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>>>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>>>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>>>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>>>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>>>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>>>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>>>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>>>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>>>>> > Halloween
>>>>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----------
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>>>>>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There 
>>>>>>'s a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair 
>>>>>>styles at StyleList.com.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of 
>>>>social Darwinism.
>>>>We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
>>>>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, 
>>>>losers contribute
>>>>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
>>>>unethical, while
>>>>a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
>>>>spirit of diversity,
>>>>inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>>>>Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical 
>>>>team player.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>spirit of diversity,
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>>Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical 
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 01:32:07 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:32:07 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book is completely fucked up.

Except "A thousand little pieces" by James Frey ;)

>
> Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
> surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get
> her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
>
> More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book
> is completely fucked up.
>
> May she rot.
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>
>> Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
>> evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I
>> mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>>
>> Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
>> snopes.com check.
>>
>> -Oliver
>>
>> LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>> Check this one out...
>>> ~LB
>>>
>>
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sun Sep  7 01:36:06 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:36:06 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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No need to say "comebacks"  Cliff. I know you long enough to know 
that you're not
a "tit for tat" guy and  just speak your mind. :)

And in no way would I try to tell you that she is good or bad. I only 
responded to the special needs part of your Email
because from what I have come across it seemed to be incorrect.

Cheers Cliff,
Me



At 12:47 AM 9/7/2008, cliffmonka at alaska.net wrote:
>hey thanks for the argument,not sure about those facts,but it's true,financial
>support for Alaska has been cut every year for a while now.we march 
>on the state
>capital and in the major cities when the legeslators are in session 
>in febuary,to
>help raise awareness.So as a come back i will say,if it was low it's 
>because it's
>been cut so drastic for many years,maybe now it is closer to where 
>is should have
>been.I still say ImPalin is a smiling facist,and nothing 
>more.Christian do gooder
>who is more dangerous because she thinks she's doing the correct thing,gods
>will,haha.the sickness continues folks,Cheers for the debate,Cliff
>
> > http://www.fightthepalinsmears.com/smears/cut-special-needs-budget/
> >
> > Have a gander.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:59 PM 9/6/2008, cliffmonka at alaska.net wrote:
> >>Further more,ImPalin recently had a baby boy with DOWNS Syndrome and
> >>mentioned last
> >>thursday in her speech that she'll be a ADVOCATE for people with SPECIAL
> >>NEEDS,which makes my heart excited,yet i know she's a fucking LIAR
> >>and has done
> >>nothing to help this situation here in Alaska.I work with people 
> with special
> >>needs,and we hear this kinda bullshit all the time from 
> people.Tehy smile at
> >>you,and then do nothing.Look there's no money in helping the
> >>disabled,or homeless
> >>people,this bitch won't do a damn thing.
> >
> > Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of 
> social Darwinism.
> > We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> > else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, 
> losers contribute
> > to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> > unethical, while
> > a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> > spirit of diversity,
> > inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> > Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical 
> team player.
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We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sun Sep  7 01:39:12 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:39:12 -0400
Subject: [kj] palin ban
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She did not say it should be "taught alongside". She said if it comes 
up she doesn't think that it's
wrong to have it subject to debate. And once again, what she herself 
THINKS and what she DOES
are two very different things.

(Mind you, as I've stated before ,I believe that Creationism/ID has 
no place in school.)

Cheers,
Me

At 12:50 AM 9/7/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:

>As far as I'm concerned, there is no difference between wanting to 
>impose creationism in schools and merely wanting to have it "taught 
>alongside" conventional scientific study for the sake of "healthy 
>debate." Creationism has no place in schools in any capacity. Full stop.
>
>I'm not worried about Sarah Palin banning KJ discs (Killing Joke 
>should be so lucky to garner such publicity). I'm just fucking sick 
>of right wing, Pro-life, Bible-bangin', gun-carrying wing nuts and 
>their bullshit agenda. It begins and ends there.
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>On Sep 7, 2008, at 12:01 AM, The Exorcist wrote:
>
>>Just like she did NOT ban any books nor did she try to IMPOSE 
>>creationism in classes
>>I think it's quite fair to state that she would NOT ban KJ related 
>>stuff. If this is the most
>>extreme stuff that you think exists you need to do a tad more reading.
>>
>>It's nice to make presumptions based on no facts but reaching for 
>>straws gets tiresome
>>after a while does it not?
>>
>>
>>At 08:33 PM 9/6/2008, fluw wrote:
>>>how many people on the gathering doubt if sarah palin were to 
>>>become aware of killing joke cd's or, (haha finally) a jaz coleman 
>>>book in a library, she would not have them banned?
>>>
>>>as a killing joke fan, would you be apposed to this banning?
>>>
>>>as your nations VP and following a very likely health failure from 
>>>Mc Cain, she would then be your president and the most powerful 
>>>nutcase in the world, are you comfortable with her decision making?
>>>
>>>or would you rather she just go back to running cliff's state like 
>>>a despot on a runaway train and get with a proper sex reassignment 
>>>surgery and promptly get on with giving her twin wynona judd a 
>>>stiff ass to mouth?
>>>
>>>i vote for giving it to wynona
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>><mailto:Gathering at misera.net>Gathering at misera.net
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>>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
>>We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
>>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, 
>>losers contribute
>>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
>>unethical, while
>>a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
>>spirit of diversity,
>>inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>>Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical 
>>team player.
>>_______________________________________________
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sun Sep  7 01:42:32 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:42:32 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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ATHF, damn I wonder who else watches it on here.

At 01:25 AM 9/7/2008, Brendan wrote:
>Aah my guilty pleasure for Danzig just got a touch less guilty. Check this
>out for a laugh...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f5Hqy9lMiU
>
>There's any amount of intentionally or unintentionally funny stuff about
>Evil Elvis online. Aqua Teen Hunger Force featured him quite a bit in an
>episode...

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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 01:43:29 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:43:29 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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So does Ann Coulter, but I wouldn't fuck either one of them with a stolen
dick, to use a Carlin quote ;)

> in her defense, she does have a certain 'fuckability'...
>
> =)
>
> On 9/7/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
>> Mushroom burgers, likes to hunt and doesn't like weed. These are some
>> of the reasons you can't stand this woman?
>> This is associated with evil?
>>
>> May *Insert deity here* have mercy on us all.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:31 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>>Alex,
>>>
>>>This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
>>>
>>>By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She
>>>likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and
>>>did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs
>>>out. Thanks Alex.
>>>
>>>~LB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
>>>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>>>
>>>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture
>>>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>>>
>>>If you care:
>>>
>>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>>>
>>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>>>
>>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>>>
>>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>>>
>>>Alex in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Check this one out...
>>>>
>>>>~LB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>>> > banned from the
>>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>>> > of the Library
>>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>>> > banned, she tried to
>>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>>> >
>>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>>> > burners.
>>>> >
>>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>>> > Cleland
>>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>>> > Christopher Collier
>>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>>> > Collective
>>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>>> > Schwartz
>>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>>> > Wibbelsman
>>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>>> > Halloween
>>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------
>>>>Psssst...Have you heard the news?
>>>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There's
>>>>a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at
>>>>StyleList.com.
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Gathering mailing list
>>>><mailto:Gathering at misera.net>Gathering at misera.net
>>>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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>>>=
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----------
>>>Psssst...Have you heard the news?
>>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There's a
>>>new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at
>>> StyleList.com.
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Gathering mailing list
>>>Gathering at misera.net
>>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>>
>> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
>> Darwinism.
>> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is
>> someone
>> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
>> contribute
>> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
>> unethical, while
>> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
>> spirit of diversity,
>> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
>> player.
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> postponed indefinitely..."
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sun Sep  7 01:48:07 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:48:07 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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That's only because George respected property rights and wouldn't use 
anything that
was stolen. If it were borrowed Carlin would be totally fine with it. *grin*

Cheers,
Me

At 01:43 AM 9/7/2008, Brendan wrote:
>So does Ann Coulter, but I wouldn't fuck either one of them with a stolen
>dick, to use a Carlin quote ;)
>
> > in her defense, she does have a certain 'fuckability'...
> >
> > =)
> >
> > On 9/7/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
> >> Mushroom burgers, likes to hunt and doesn't like weed. These are some
> >> of the reasons you can't stand this woman?
> >> This is associated with evil?
> >>
> >> May *Insert deity here* have mercy on us all.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 03:31 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
> >>>Alex,
> >>>
> >>>This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
> >>>
> >>>By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She
> >>>likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and
> >>>did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs
> >>>out. Thanks Alex.
> >>>
> >>>~LB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >>>vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
> >>>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
> >>>
> >>>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture
> >>>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
> >>>
> >>>If you care:
> >>>
> >>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have- 
> her.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
> >>>
> >>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
> >>>
> >>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-do 
> nt-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
> >>>
> >>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuse 
> s-to-subside.html
> >>>
> >>>Alex in NYC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Check this one out...
> >>>>
> >>>>~LB
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
> >>>> > banned from the
> >>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
> >>>> > of the Library
> >>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
> >>>> > banned, she tried to
> >>>> > have the librarian fired.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
> >>>> > burners.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
> >>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
> >>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
> >>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
> >>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
> >>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
> >>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
> >>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
> >>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
> >>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
> >>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
> >>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
> >>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
> >>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
> >>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
> >>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
> >>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
> >>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
> >>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
> >>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
> >>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
> >>>> > Cleland
> >>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
> >>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
> >>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
> >>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
> >>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
> >>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
> >>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
> >>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
> >>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
> >>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
> >>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
> >>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
> >>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
> >>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
> >>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
> >>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
> >>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
> >>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
> >>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
> >>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
> >>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
> >>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
> >>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
> >>>> > Christopher Collier
> >>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
> >>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
> >>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
> >>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
> >>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
> >>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
> >>>> > Solzhenitsyn
> >>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
> >>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
> >>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
> >>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
> >>>> > Collective
> >>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
> >>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
> >>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
> >>>> > Schwartz
> >>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> >>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
> >>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
> >>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
> >>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
> >>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> >>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
> >>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
> >>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
> >>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
> >>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
> >>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
> >>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
> >>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
> >>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
> >>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
> >>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
> >>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
> >>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
> >>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
> >>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
> >>>> > Wibbelsman
> >>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
> >>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
> >>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
> >>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
> >>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
> >>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
> >>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
> >>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
> >>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
> >>>> > Merriam-Webster
> >>>> >   Editorial Staff
> >>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
> >>>> > Halloween
> >>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----------
> >>>>Psssst...Have you heard the news?
> >>>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There's
> >>>>a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at
> >>>>StyleList.com.
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>Gathering mailing list
> >>>><mailto:Gathering at misera.net>Gathering at misera.net
> >>>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> >>>
> >>>=
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Gathering mailing list
> >>>Gathering at misera.net
> >>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----------
> >>>Psssst...Have you heard the news?
> >>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There's a
> >>>new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at
> >>> StyleList.com.
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Gathering mailing list
> >>>Gathering at misera.net
> >>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> >>
> >> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
> >> Darwinism.
> >> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is
> >> someone
> >> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> >> contribute
> >> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> >> unethical, while
> >> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> >> spirit of diversity,
> >> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> >> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> >> player.
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> > postponed indefinitely..."
> > _______________________________________________
> > Gathering mailing list
> > Gathering at misera.net
> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player.  
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From humanhybrid666 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 01:49:17 2008
From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com (bongo)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:49:17 +1200
Subject: [kj] OT - banned !!!!!!
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yeah but once the rot sets in, where does it end?
belson was a gas.........


as Richard Dawkins says (in different words...) once the mindset of
stupid bullshit takes over (religion) sheeple/blind followers could be
turned into suicide bombers (for the cause!) within maybe only a few
generations/decades...




On 9/7/08, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> She didn't even want any books to be banned . She just enquired about
> restricting some books in the Public Library .
> Using the word "Banned" gives the impressions that she wanted a U.S wide ban
> on the books .
>  A wholseale  Banning of books in the U.S and restricting the content of
> books in a small Public Library are two very different things.

-- 


"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."

From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sun Sep  7 01:52:59 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:52:59 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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Btw, what's your opinion on publishing books that may be found 
offensive to certain groups people?

Should they be published or should the publisher not publish it 
because some people might get upset?

Cheers,
Me

At 01:32 AM 9/7/2008, Brendan wrote:
>Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book is completely fucked up.
>
>Except "A thousand little pieces" by James Frey ;)
>
> >
> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get
> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
> >
> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book
> > is completely fucked up.
> >
> > May she rot.
> >
> > Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
> >
> >> Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
> >> evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I
> >> mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
> >>
> >> Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
> >> snopes.com check.
> >>
> >> -Oliver
> >>
> >> LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
> >>> Check this one out...
> >>> ~LB
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Gathering mailing list
> >> Gathering at misera.net
> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Gathering mailing list
> > Gathering at misera.net
> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
> >
>
>
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>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sun Sep  7 01:56:23 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:56:23 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - banned !!!!!!
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I hate to break it to you but it's not only religion that it applies to.
It applies to any mass belief or ideology.

Sorta reminds me of the Penn & Teller Bullshit! where they went to 
one of the big protests and got
people to sign a sheet saying they want to outlaw water.

Cheers,
Me

At 01:49 AM 9/7/2008, bongo wrote:
>yeah but once the rot sets in, where does it end?
>belson was a gas.........
>
>
>as Richard Dawkins says (in different words...) once the mindset of
>stupid bullshit takes over (religion) sheeple/blind followers could be
>turned into suicide bombers (for the cause!) within maybe only a few
>generations/decades...
>
>
>
>
>On 9/7/08, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > She didn't even want any books to be banned . She just enquired about
> > restricting some books in the Public Library .
> > Using the word "Banned" gives the impressions that she wanted a 
> U.S wide ban
> > on the books .
> >  A wholseale  Banning of books in the U.S and restricting the content of
> > books in a small Public Library are two very different things.
>
>--
>
>
>"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
>postponed indefinitely..."
>_______________________________________________
>Gathering mailing list
>Gathering at misera.net
>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 
unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 
spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player.  
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 01:59:30 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:59:30 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <2E3F0D178B20497F941B90B3D544F90F@Bell2007PC>
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Anyone remember the intro to Harder Faster on WASP's Live in the Raw album
back in the 80s...might have been a me thing. Little funny rant about the
PMRC, unfortunately I can't find a link to it...


> jeffmccollough at earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
>> No one seems to understand that fact especially considering this list
>> might be considered anti american by her and her cronies.
>
> Oh, for fucks sake - with some of you people it's all "the sky is falling,
> the sky is falling."  Rock n' roll music (and free speech) survived the
> whole Tipper Gore bullshit in the late 80's, I strongly doubt anyone is
> going to somehow put the kibosh on Killing Joke or their mailing list.
>
> T.B.
>
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From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 02:15:40 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:15:40 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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IMO it's not an easy question to answer and I haven't given it enough
thought to be perfectly honest.

I am anti-censorship but I'm also anti race-hatred, anti-gender hatred,
anti-fascist etc.

Short answer...not entirely sure. But by and large I'm anti-censorship.

James Frey is totally full of shit in my opinion, but as long as people
are aware of the true story (i.e. his lies) behind his books then read
away I say.

> Btw, what's your opinion on publishing books that may be found
> offensive to certain groups people?
>
> Should they be published or should the publisher not publish it
> because some people might get upset?
>
> Cheers,
> Me
>
> At 01:32 AM 9/7/2008, Brendan wrote:
>>Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book is completely fucked up.
>>
>>Except "A thousand little pieces" by James Frey ;)
>>
>> >
>> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
>> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get
>> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
>> >
>> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book
>> > is completely fucked up.
>> >
>> > May she rot.
>> >
>> > Alex in NYC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
>> >> evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I
>> >> mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>> >>
>> >> Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
>> >> snopes.com check.
>> >>
>> >> -Oliver
>> >>
>> >> LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>> >>> Check this one out...
>> >>> ~LB
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Gathering mailing list
>> >> Gathering at misera.net
>> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Gathering mailing list
>> > Gathering at misera.net
>> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>> >
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Gathering mailing list
>>Gathering at misera.net
>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>
> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
> Darwinism.
> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> player.
> _______________________________________________
> Gathering mailing list
> Gathering at misera.net
> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>



From bq at soundgardener.co.nz  Sun Sep  7 02:20:12 2008
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:20:12 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [kj] OT - banned !!!!!!
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PS: The movie The Exorcist was widely banned, perhaps lines like "Suck
your cock and stick it up your mother's ass" had something to do with it.

Personally I disagree with the ban, that line proved a staple for quite a
while as an adolescent.

Me and a mate used to have competitions in class to see how loudly and
quickly we could say it out of the blue and not get caught.

Guess who pushed it too far and got caught.

> I hate to break it to you but it's not only religion that it applies to.
> It applies to any mass belief or ideology.
>
> Sorta reminds me of the Penn & Teller Bullshit! where they went to
> one of the big protests and got
> people to sign a sheet saying they want to outlaw water.
>
> Cheers,
> Me
>
> At 01:49 AM 9/7/2008, bongo wrote:
>>yeah but once the rot sets in, where does it end?
>>belson was a gas.........
>>
>>
>>as Richard Dawkins says (in different words...) once the mindset of
>>stupid bullshit takes over (religion) sheeple/blind followers could be
>>turned into suicide bombers (for the cause!) within maybe only a few
>>generations/decades...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 9/7/08, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > She didn't even want any books to be banned . She just enquired about
>> > restricting some books in the Public Library .
>> > Using the word "Banned" gives the impressions that she wanted a
>> U.S wide ban
>> > on the books .
>> >  A wholseale  Banning of books in the U.S and restricting the content
>> of
>> > books in a small Public Library are two very different things.
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
>>postponed indefinitely..."
>>_______________________________________________
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>
> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
> Darwinism.
> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> player.
> _______________________________________________
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 03:03:42 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:03:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <1931.59.167.234.145.1220765446.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <401354.23736.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

>> god need his own 'metal militia?'

> Mine does :D
?
?? Why does your island - 'The Island' - make me feel more and more 
like I'd end up suffering my own sequel to "Papillon?"


?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 10:30 PM

Since when does god need his own 'metal militia?'

Mine does :D


>    This website has several articles on Sarah Palin that can make your
> food see
> the light of day again. And Youtube.com has several videos of her involved
> with heavy
> metal-tinged fringe churches all praying to God for an oil pipeline, and
> to further
> God's will in Iraq.
>
>
>    ..Since when does god need his own 'metal militia?'....
>
>
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>
> [looking at the current state of things]
>
> 'Save me...
>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:31 PM
>
>
>
>
> Alex,
>
> This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
>
> By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She likes
> mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and did not like
> it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs out. Thanks Alex.
>
> ~LB
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>
>
> Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's
Puncture Palin"
> post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>
>
> If you care:
>
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>
>
> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>
>
>
http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>
>
>
http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Check this one out...
>
> ~LB
>
>
>> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>> banned from the
>> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>> of the Library
>> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>> banned, she tried to
>> have the librarian fired.
>>
>> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>> burners.
>>
>> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>   Carrie by Stephen King
>>   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>   Christine by Stephen King
>>   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>   Cujo by Stephen King
>>   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>> Cleland
>>   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>   Forever by Judy Blume
>>   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>> Christopher Collier
>>   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>> Solzhenitsyn
>>   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>> Collective
>>   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>> Schwartz
>>   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>> Wibbelsman
>>   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>   The Shining by Stephen King
>>   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>> Merriam-Webster
>>   Editorial Staff
>>   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>> Halloween
>>   Symbols by Edna Barth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the
> latest fall trends and hair styles at
> StyleList.com._______________________________________________
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>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the
> latest fall trends and hair styles at
> StyleList.com._______________________________________________
> Gathering mailing list
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> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
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>
>
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 03:10:53 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:10:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <2063.59.167.234.145.1220766209.squirrel@www.webmail.orcon.net.nz>
Message-ID: <166346.84862.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> So does Ann Coulter
?
?? No nooo, no she doesn't; this girl does: Monica Crowley.?Factor out that 
defeminizing pol/corporate drag wardrobe they all have to wear to get ahead, 
and she's stunning, i'll bet.
?


?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 10:43 PM

So does Ann Coulter, but I wouldn't fuck either one of them with a stolen
dick, to use a Carlin quote ;)

> in her defense, she does have a certain 'fuckability'...
>
> =)
>
> On 9/7/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
>> Mushroom burgers, likes to hunt and doesn't like weed. These are
some
>> of the reasons you can't stand this woman?
>> This is associated with evil?
>>
>> May *Insert deity here* have mercy on us all.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:31 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>>Alex,
>>>
>>>This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
>>>
>>>By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She
>>>likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and
>>>did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those
blogs
>>>out. Thanks Alex.
>>>
>>>~LB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
>>>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>>>
>>>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my
"Let's Puncture
>>>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>>>
>>>If you care:
>>>
>>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>>>
>>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>>>
>>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>>>
>>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>>>
>>>Alex in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM,
<mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Check this one out...
>>>>
>>>>~LB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>>> > banned from the
>>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>>> > of the Library
>>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>>> > banned, she tried to
>>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>>> >
>>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>>> > burners.
>>>> >
>>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>>> > Cleland
>>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K.
Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K.
Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>>> > Christopher Collier
>>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>>> > Collective
>>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by
Alvin
>>>> > Schwartz
>>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>>> > Wibbelsman
>>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of
the
>>>> > Halloween
>>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------
>>>>Psssst...Have you heard the news?
>>>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There's
>>>>a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles
at
>>>>StyleList.com.
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Gathering mailing list
>>>><mailto:Gathering at misera.net>Gathering at misera.net
>>>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>>>
>>>=
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Gathering mailing list
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>>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----------
>>>Psssst...Have you heard the news?
>>><http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>There's
a
>>>new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at
>>> StyleList.com.
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Gathering mailing list
>>>Gathering at misera.net
>>>http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering
>>
>> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
>> Darwinism.
>> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is
>> someone
>> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore,
losers
>> contribute
>> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
>> unethical, while
>> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
>> spirit of diversity,
>> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
>> player.
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> postponed indefinitely..."
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From saulomar1 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  7 03:19:07 2008
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:19:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
Message-ID: <86066.90997.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That's twice (and) you're wrong about me; what gives?

?

?






--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:42 PM





"she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."


You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own decisions?


And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about the fact that she went back to work three days after her child with Down syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.


Alex in NYC




On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM, sade1 wrote:






> she still loves?her kid and didn't throw her out of the house...
?
? That's a 3-pointer, right there. That (above) is the different between regular 
parenting and good parenting.


?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current?state of things]

'Save me...
? save me?from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:

From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM


Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent? 

You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You can't FORCE someone
to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many parents have kids that don't listen to them?
Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?

That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her daughter getting preggers and she still loves
her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?

Sincerely,
Me

At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:

what does she restrict in her own family's home?

consistency and contraception apparently

sade1 wrote: 

?? I wonder what movies she thought of banning also, 
since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
..or better yet,
what does she restrict in her own family's home?
?
?
?
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things]

'Save me...
? save me from Tomorrow..
?? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'?? 


--- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:


From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>

Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned

To: gathering at misera.net

Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM


Check this one out...

?

~LB

?

?

> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have

> banned from the

> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes

> of the Library

> Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books

> banned, she tried to

> have the librarian fired.

> 

> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book

> burners.

> 

> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess

>?? A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle

>?? Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden

>?? As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner

>?? Blubber by Judy Blume

>?? Brave New World by Aldous Huxley

>?? Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson

>?? Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer

>?? Carrie by Stephen King

>?? Catch-22 by Joseph Heller

>?? Christine by Stephen King

>?? Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau

>?? Cujo by Stephen King

>?? Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen

>?? Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite

>?? Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck

>?? Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller

>?? Decameron by Boccaccio

>?? East of Eden by John Steinbeck

>?? Fallen Angels by Walter Myers

>?? Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John

> Cleland

>?? Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes

>?? Forever by Judy Blume

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>?? In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak

>?? It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein

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>?? Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence

>?? Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman

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>?? Lord of the Flies by William Golding

>?? Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein

>?? Lysistrata by Aristophanes

>?? More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz

>?? My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and

> Christopher Collier

>?? My House by Nikki Giovanni

>?? My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara

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>?? On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer

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>?? Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl

>?? Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin

> Schwartz

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>?? Separate Peace by John Knowles

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>?? The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder

>?? The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks

>?? The Living Bible by William C. Bower

>?? The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare

>?? The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles

> Wibbelsman

>?? The Pigman by Paul Zindel

>?? The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders

>?? The Shining by Stephen King

>?? The Witches by Roald Dahl

>?? The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder

>?? Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume

>?? To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee

>?? Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare

>?? Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the

> Merriam-Webster

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From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:27:08 +0000
Subject: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
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Pity I was away last week. I must have missed the march through London against the Russian invasion of Georgia. What a magnificent sight it must have been - half a million protesters standing firm against tyranny and supporting freedom and democracy.
I'd have loved to have heard Red Ken denouncing the bloodthirsty gangster regime in Moscow, George Galloway comparing Vladimir Putin to Hitler and Tony Benn declaring it was all about oil.
What's that you say? There was no such rally? I suppose they must all have been too busy demonstrating against Chinese oppression in Tibet and demanding a boycott of the Beijing Olympics.
Or perhaps not. Funny how the Not In My Name crowd always overlooks aggression by Communist or 'former' Communist regimes.
There's no such reticence when it comes to portraying George W. Bush as the new Hitler or daubing swastikas on the Israeli flag. Look at the protests against the wars in Iraq and Lebanon.
The same people who can't wait to burn the American flag in Trafalgar Square are only too happy to ignore Russian, Chinese and Iraqi genocide.
Where were all the marchers when the Russians were crushing Chechnya? Why so silent on Tibet? They must have been looking the other way when Saddam slaughtered the Kurds.
It hasn't been difficult to find apologists for the invasion of Georgia. We're told that the 'American-educated' Mikhail Saakashvili provoked the Russians beyond all reason. What did we expect encouraging the spread of democracy in former Soviet satellite states?
No wonder Moscow feels threatened when independent countries it once ruled by military might become members of the European Union and apply to join Nato.
Putting a Western missile defence system in Poland is like waving a red rag at a bull, the sophisticates say. Putin has no option but to retaliate.
I don't remember them demanding the withdrawal of Soviet nukes pointing at Western capitals from East Germany. Back then, the Guardianistas were all for one-sided disarmament on our  part.
The Left has always been picky about their protests. While they rightly denounce white racism in South Africa, they stay silent on black racism in Zimbabwe.
They bang on about American cultural imperialism, but have nothing to say about Russian or Chinese military imperialism.
America is constantly denounced for its 'yuman rites' abuses, but you never hear a dicky bird about the denial of basic freedoms in China or throughout the Muslim world.
Europe's Leftists define themselves by their hatred of the U.S., yet cheerfully tolerate all kinds of tyranny elsewhereThey're against 'torture' at Guantanamo Bay, but take a relaxed view of Chinese and Russian death squads.
There are still plenty of 'comrades' in the Labour Party and the trades union movement who regret the day the Berlin Wall came tumbling down. They're only too willing to give succour to the enemies of freedom and democracy around the world.
So the official line is that the war in Iraq was nothing to do with Saddam boasting that he had weapons of mass destruction and defying a whole slew of United Nations resolutions to which he agreed after the liberation of Kuwait. It was all about oil.
Yet the invasion of Georgia was justified because Russia was 'provoked'. So we can assume that Putin never gave a moment's thought to Georgia's pipeline to the West? 
What about the announcement last week by a Russian general that Poland was now a prime target for a nuclear strike because it had the audacity to agree to site a Nato defence shield within its borders?
I must have missed the CND press release on that one.
A new survey says that British attitudes towards the United States are governed by ignorance of the facts.
For instance, most people here and in Europe believe America sold Saddam most of his arsenal. The truth is that just 0.46per cent of Iraq's weapons came from the U.S. Russia supplied 57 per cent, China 12 per cent and the cheese-eating surrender monkeys across the Channel were responsible for 13 per cent.
The U.S. is routinely portrayed as anti-Islamic. But in 11 out of 12 of the most recent conflicts between Muslims and non-Muslims, America has sided with the Muslims.
Other widespread myths such as Americans being denied medical care if they don't have health insurance are simply not true. Filthy, unregulated Russian and Chinese factories and power stations spew out poisonous gases, but America is branded the world's biggest polluter, even though it has done more to cut carbon emissions since the year 2000 than any other country.
The 'liberal' media has a vested interest in perpetuating such lies. The Left seems to be gripped with some kind of political penis envy of America, which can be assuaged only by sucking up to tyrants and dictators.
If we are entering a new Cold War, you can guarantee that the Left will once again be on the wrong side.
There's nothing new in this. Forty years ago this summer, the big demonstrations in London were against America's war against communist North Vietnam, not the Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia.
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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep  7 04:57:23 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:57:23 -0500
Subject: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
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fluke fluke wrote:

"Or perhaps not. Funny how the Not In My Name crowd always overlooks 
aggression by Communist or 'former' Communist regimes. There's no such 
reticence when it comes to portraying George W. Bush as the new Hitler 
or daubing swastikas on the Israeli flag. Look at the protests against 
the wars in Iraq and Lebanon."

=========

Pat Buchanan is hardly the kind of cartoon lefty you bloviate against 
above (he is Reagan's former speech writer, a self-described 
"paleo-conservative," etc.) and this is his take on the war -- that 
Georgia started:

------
http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan93.html

Is Not Western Hypocrisy Astonishing?

by Patrick J. Buchanan

Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games 
to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia 
must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the 
Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.

Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's 
blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing 
scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands 
fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 
48 hours.

Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the Georgian army out of 
Abkhazia, as well, to bomb Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.

Reveling in his status as an intimate of George Bush, Dick Cheney and 
John McCain, and America's lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, 
Saakashvili thought he could get away with a lightning coup and present 
the world with a fait accompli.

Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this 
fight ? Russia finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide 
how and when they end.

Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in 
response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed 
and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the 
United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to 
surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic 
claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which 
prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When 
Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from 
Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, 
whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for 
their independence, should succeed in breaking away?

Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they 
advance the agenda of the neocons, many of whom viscerally detest Russia?

That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's provocative and stupid 
stunt to administer an extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is 
not Russian anger understandable? For years the West has rubbed Russia's 
nose in her Cold War defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.

When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, closed its bases in Cuba, 
dissolved the evil empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 states, 
and sought friendship and alliance with the United States, what did we do?

American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite Scalawags to loot the 
Russian nation. Breaking a pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our 
military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto Russia's doorstep. Six 
Warsaw Pact nations and three former republics of the Soviet Union are 
now NATO members.

Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring Ukraine and Georgia into 
NATO. This would require the United States to go to war with Russia over 
Stalin's birthplace and who has sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula 
and Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.

When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?

The United States unilaterally abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile 
treaty because our technology was superior, then planned to site 
anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic to defend against 
Iranian missiles, though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A 
Russian counter-offer to have us together put an anti-missile system in 
Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.

We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from Azerbaijan through Georgia 
to Turkey to cut Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes friendly 
to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia, and 
tried to repeat it in Belarus.

Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as 
others see us is not high among them.

Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, where Europe had opted 
out of the Cold War after Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of 
the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us to go home and become 
subservient to Moscow.

How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought Western Europe into the 
Warsaw Pact, established bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense 
radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with China to build pipelines to 
transfer Mexican and Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to 
Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and Chinese advisers 
training Latin American armies, the way we are in the former Soviet 
republics, how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such 
Russian behavior?

For a decade, some of us have warned about the folly of getting into 
Russia's space and getting into Russia's face. The chickens of 
democratic imperialism have now come home to roost ? in Tbilisi.

August 16, 2008

Patrick J. Buchanan [send him mail] is co-founder and editor of The 
American Conservative. He is also the author of seven books, including 
Where the Right Went Wrong, and A Republic Not An Empire. His latest 
book is Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War.



From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 08:28:12 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:28:12 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721AB@mr-pants.mshome.net>

>Though in all honesty... I think it goes beyond republican/democrat left/right. I was always pro free speech & transparency. I find it sad that the people who claim to be "liberal" would go and shut down and shout down anyone who doesn't agree with them.
 
Spot-on. This is the truth of free speech - the chosen 'enemy' should have as much right to spout their utterances as the chosen 'heroes'.
 
Sadly, this is how Hitler got in.
 
Back when the Greeks began voting, at the dawn of democracy (lol), did they not vote for war time & time again?
 
 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: 07 September 2008 00:26
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned


I guess some things can't be explained ehhh? LOL (Also a big SWANS fan amongst many many other bands.
Music and books are my life. I guess I just enjoy and can understand and relate to free expression in its many
various forms.)

Though in all honesty... I think it goes beyond republican/democrat left/right.

I was always pro free speech & transparency. I find it sad that the people who claim to be "liberal" would
go and shut down and shout down anyone who doesn't agree with them. 

(How many times have you seen a right wing or conservative speaker being shouted down by lefties when invited
to speak at a University?) When people feel the need to disrupt someone's speech (Code Pink at the RNC?).

I understand that people are different and I respect it. I don't force my views on anyone and am more than willing
to agree to disagree. More importantly, I will always fight and support free Speech no matter to whom it applies!

Cheers,
Me

Have a great weekend and hope the rain is gone by tomorrow.


At 07:02 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:


It always amazes me how Yos the Exorcist can be such a die-hard Republican and a die-hard Killing Joke fan at the same time. To my mind, they cancel each other out -- but then, I'm a proudly liberal lefty and still a Kiss fan, so I guess it's the same contradiction.

Alex in NYC



On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:52 PM, The Exorcist wrote:



Yeah, just like saying that it wasn't her child but her daughters. Truth doesn't matter. All you
have to do is talk shit and make enough of a ruckus that people believe it. 

Speaking on the banning of things and restriction of free speech let's look at Sir Obama's record.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12816.html
Sen. Barack Obama has launched an all-out effort to block a Republican billionaire's efforts to tie him 
to domestic and foreign terrorists in a wave of negative television ads. 

Obama's campaign has written the Department of Justice demanding a criminal investigation of the "American Issues Project,"
the vehicle through which Dallas investor Harold Simmons is financing the advertisements. The Obama campaign - and tens 
of thousands of supporters - also is pressuring television networks and affiliates to reject the ads. 

OR...  http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html 
(the above link is just a small snippet... there are much more detailed ones out there)

The fact that Obama tried to have Stanley Kurtz thrown off the air for talking about the "Chicago Annenberg Challenge".

"The magazine had been blocked in its initial attempts to obtain records from the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding 
a school reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded. 

Obama critics were quick to suggest that political clout could be involved in seeking to protect Obama from embarrassment.
The school later reserved its position and made the records available Tuesday."

So first they have the University block access to the files. Then they threaten, flood and go after the radio station that will give Stanley
a stage to talk at. BRAVO!!! Way to go!

At least the Radio station offered the Obama campaign to come on the show to discuss/refute what Stanley says (The Obama 
campaign declined. 

The ones throwing shit at Palin don't provide that opportunity. While Stanley Kurtz and the Ad campaign (correct or incorrect)
stated info based on Obama's past associations the shit thrown at Palin is pulled out of thin air. 

Funny thing is, Palin isn't running to the DOJ or sending out mass Emails telling people to wreak havoc.

Sincerely,
Me


At 05:12 PM 9/6/2008, fluke fluke wrote:


I dont see how you can judge a person  on the basis of when they first got their passport .
Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she just ............

"Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article."

   I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest , deceitful and they distort the democratic process .


 
 
 
 
 
 
> From: vassifer at earthlink.net
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
> 
> 
> Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn 
> surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman didn't get 
> her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
> 
> More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book 
> is completely fucked up.
> 
> May she rot.
> 
> Alex in NYC
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
> 
> > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this 
> > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list accurate. I 
> > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
> >
> > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a 
> > snopes.com check.
> >
> > -Oliver
> >
> > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
> >> Check this one out...
> >> ~LB
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else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is unethical, while
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Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.
We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute
to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is unethical, while
a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the spirit of diversity,
inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player. 

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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 08:33:58 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:33:58 +0100
Subject: [kj] palin ban clarification from time magazine - Iraq is g0ds
	work..
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721AC@mr-pants.mshome.net>

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs was my first eye-opener.

Though I expected something like this, I didn't expect such insanity.
This woman comes across as any other nut on the g0d channel. Clearly she
shouldn't have ANY power. At all.

Nevertheless, she's a milf :) But Obummer looks more attractive by the day...


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Sent: 07 September 2008 02:25
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] palin ban clarification from time magazine


this quote from Time Magazine makes it more clear:

----------

"Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

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this is not a good sign of a level headed politician!
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 08:35:06 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:35:06 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721AD@mr-pants.mshome.net>

Yeah Cliff, have a go at Bongo for having a sense of humour. Censorship's your forte.

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of cliffmonka at alaska.net
Sent: 07 September 2008 02:18
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned


yeah bongo,
triple anal gangbang,george bush sr & jr & dick cheney on reagan's tomb


> in her defense, she does have a certain 'fuckability'...
>
> =)


>
> On 9/7/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
>> Mushroom burgers, likes to hunt and doesn't like weed. These are some
>> of the reasons you can't stand this woman?
>> This is associated with evil?
>>
>> May *Insert deity here* have mercy on us all.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:31 PM 9/6/2008, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>>Alex,
>>>
>>>This woman is so evil! I cannot believe that McCan't pick her!
>>>
>>>By the way on CNN news last Thursday we saw some of her bio. She
>>>likes mushroom burgers, likes to hunt, and she smoked weed once and
>>>did not like it. I cannot stand this woman. I will check those blogs
>>>out. Thanks Alex.
>>>
>>>~LB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 9/6/2008 12:25:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
>>>Cripes -- where did she find the time?
>>>
>>>Cheers for passing this on, LB. I'll add it to my "Let's Puncture
>>>Palin" post party I'm waging on my crappy weblog.
>>>
>>>If you care:
>>>
>>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/let-the-wolves-have-her.html
>>>
>>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/of-media-mooseburgers.html
>>>
>>><http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/if-the-real-thing-dont-do-the-trick-you-better-make-up-something-quick.html
>>>
>>>http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2008/09/a-madness-that-refuses-to-subside.html
>>>
>>>Alex in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:18 PM, <mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Check this one out...
>>>>
>>>>~LB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>>> > banned from the
>>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>>> > of the Library
>>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>>> > banned, she tried to
>>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>>> >
>>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>>> > burners.
>>>> >
>>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>>> > Cleland
>>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>>> > Christopher Collier
>>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>>> > Collective
>>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>>> > Schwartz
>>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>>> > Wibbelsman
>>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>>> > Halloween
>>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------
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>> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
>> Darwinism.
>> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
>> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
>> contribute
>> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
>> unethical, while
>> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
>> spirit of diversity,
>> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
>> player.
>>
>
>
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>
>
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 08:36:17 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:36:17 +0100
Subject: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721AE@mr-pants.mshome.net>

Some of us know his style instantly.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan
Sent: 07 September 2008 06:08
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........


Was wondering when the rest of you were gonna cotton on!

> Yep, the fucktard is back..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
> Behalf Of sade1
> Sent: 06 September 2008 00:59
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
>
>
>
>> I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear,
>
> It's him, It's him, i knew it!
>
>
>
>
> Get him!  8P
>
> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>
> [looking at the current state of things]
>
> 'Save me...
>   save me from Tomorrow..
>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>
>
> --- On Fri, 9/5/08, woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: woody2shooz <woody2shooz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 1:18 PM
>
>
> I'm bagging poo just for you peter dear, and it's in your colour too
>
> fluke fluke wrote:
>
> "Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air,
> dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having
> the occasional blast et al - within reason."
>
>
>
> Yes, you do, but you must realise that not everyone else does .
> Some of us like peace and quiet . You  , by all means make as much noise
> as you like, but you shouldnt disturb everyone else in the process .
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:13:27 +0100
> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
>
>
> Bollocks!
> Don't make me laugh, I've got a cracked lip.
> He's a nutter - has problems and is a bully - to the extent that his
> methods of social control include using explosives because the authorities
> have told him that there isn't an issue in the sane world.  I'm
> considering (with other neighbours) getting an ASBO out on him if he
> continues to use such threatening behaviour.
> There are legimitate noise complaints and then there are the forces of
> noisephobics.  The latter being mostly self obsessed twats.
> Me?  I like to hear life around me, like kids playing, music in the air,
> dogs having the odd yap, lawn mowers mowing, car and house alarms having
> the occasional blast et al - within reason.  Those who can't cope with
> that joie de vive shouldn't be allowed to take precedence over others.
> It's bonkers to inflict a 'silence when I say so' regime.
> If their personal problems are really that big then they should live in
> their own village.
> Personally I'd wear earplugs if I couldn't deal with my neighbours' sons
> drumming et al, either that or work on my tolerance levels.  Let people
> living their lives and having fun be.
> Killing Joke on a headphones only policy?  lol
>
>
>
> You have caused this guy to act this way because of your barking dogs ?
> You say that your dogs only bark for ten minutes per day , but if that
> were the case, then the other guy wouldn't be acting the way that he is .
>    The guy wouldn't fire fireworks at your house if it was just for ten
> minutes a  day .
> Why should other people have to wear ear muffs ? And you accuse other
> people who complain about loud music as having "insomniacal neurosis " and
> you say that this is the reason as to why they complain .
>     They aren't complaining because they have insomniacal neurosis , they
> are complaining because the music is annoying . It is irresponsible
> and anti social to subject your neighbours to such an extent that they
> have to take the drastic actions that your neighbor took .
>     It must be terrible living next to inconsiderate neighbours .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
> From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:35 +0100
> Subject: Re: [kj] Noisy Neighbours........
>
>
>
> What about, 'if you don't like loud music, wear ear-muffs or get yourself
> a deprivision tank?'
> Compromise agreed but the anti-noise brigade get it too much their own
> way.
> Most of 'em take their insomniacal neurosis out on other people.  Fuck
> that! - they'd complain about their neighbours farting given half the
> chance and they're given way too much power these days.
> We've got a bonkers guy who harasses us about the dogs barking. Which is
> for all of ten minutes a day, collectively when they're getting tacked up
> for their walks. Bear in mind that he lives over a dual carriageway to us.
> The authorities refuse to act on his behalf as he's out-of order so
> because he's nuts and is so angry, he's become a vigilante.  When the dogs
> bark, he shoots a firework rocket at the house.  He also cycles around the
> neighbourhood calling dogs to their gates so that he grabs a megaphone and
> yells at them.  He's even has a recording of barking which he pops into
> his car's boomer and drives round the block at dawn - causing all the dogs
> to yip so he can hammer on doors, scream and shout, pin notices on doors
> about noise pollution and generally whip out his loudspeaker at every
> opportunity.
> Within reason, it's down to individual to sort out their social
> intolerances.
>
>
>
>
>
> If people want to listen to loud music, then why don't try do it through
> headphones ?
> Its very unsocial and annoying to have to listen to other peoples music ..
>   Asking neighbors politely to turn it down is the correct procedure and
> if they dont comply, then violence is the way of dealing with the
> problem .
>
>
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 08:39:31 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:39:31 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT - banned !!!!!!
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721AF@mr-pants.mshome.net>

Your mother sucks cocks in hell. What a film!

Anyway, I think it was the Crucifuck scene that upset the whiners the most ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan
Sent: 07 September 2008 07:20
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT - banned !!!!!!


PS: The movie The Exorcist was widely banned, perhaps lines like "Suck
your cock and stick it up your mother's ass" had something to do with it.

Personally I disagree with the ban, that line proved a staple for quite a
while as an adolescent.

Me and a mate used to have competitions in class to see how loudly and
quickly we could say it out of the blue and not get caught.

Guess who pushed it too far and got caught.

> I hate to break it to you but it's not only religion that it applies to.
> It applies to any mass belief or ideology.
>
> Sorta reminds me of the Penn & Teller Bullshit! where they went to
> one of the big protests and got
> people to sign a sheet saying they want to outlaw water.
>
> Cheers,
> Me
>
> At 01:49 AM 9/7/2008, bongo wrote:
>>yeah but once the rot sets in, where does it end?
>>belson was a gas.........
>>
>>
>>as Richard Dawkins says (in different words...) once the mindset of
>>stupid bullshit takes over (religion) sheeple/blind followers could be
>>turned into suicide bombers (for the cause!) within maybe only a few
>>generations/decades...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 9/7/08, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > She didn't even want any books to be banned . She just enquired about
>> > restricting some books in the Public Library .
>> > Using the word "Banned" gives the impressions that she wanted a
>> U.S wide ban
>> > on the books .
>> >  A wholseale  Banning of books in the U.S and restricting the content
>> of
>> > books in a small Public Library are two very different things.
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
>>postponed indefinitely..."
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> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
> Darwinism.
> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone
> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
> contribute
> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
> unethical, while
> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
> spirit of diversity,
> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
> player.
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From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com  Sun Sep  7 09:11:41 2008
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:11:41 -0400
Subject: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
In-Reply-To: <48C39773.9080005@sbcglobal.net>
References: <BLU108-W79EAC9B355A274E8F3E46BE5A0@phx.gbl>
	<48C39773.9080005@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <0K6T0019NTZGI6I0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Naaaa, Pat has his own issues.
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/buchanan_own_words/print.asp

And
---
"In light of the smearing of Governor Palin by 
Obama surrogate Robert Wexler and Obama spokesman 
Mark Bubriski, both of whom alleged Palin was a 
supporter of Patrick Buchanan and therefore a 
"Nazi sympathizer," this statement from Buchanan today seems noteworthy:

Let me say about Israel here. My position on 
Israel is frankly awful. It is like Mika 
[Brzezinski]'s father's, it's a lot closer to 
Barack Obama's than it is John McCain. I think 
Barack is right, we ought to talk to the 
Iranians, he's right to oppose the war and, 
frankly, he's right to say the Palestinian people 
have got a terrible deal over there and their 
suffering ought to be recognized. That's Obama's 
position. It's my position. I don't think it is a Nazi position.

Governor Palin never supported Pat Buchanan, 
having supported Steve Forbes in both 1996 and 
2000. Still, it must give great comfort to Wexler 
and Bubriski that Pat Buchanan does support Obama's position on Israel."

Most Conservatives don't care much for him these 
days and he's supporting Obama. :)
He has own reasons for disillusionment and using 
his "conservative" label to legitimize what he says.

At 04:57 AM 9/7/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>fluke fluke wrote:
>
>"Or perhaps not. Funny how the Not In My Name 
>crowd always overlooks aggression by Communist 
>or 'former' Communist regimes. There's no such 
>reticence when it comes to portraying George W. 
>Bush as the new Hitler or daubing swastikas on 
>the Israeli flag. Look at the protests against the wars in Iraq and Lebanon."
>
>=========
>
>Pat Buchanan is hardly the kind of cartoon lefty 
>you bloviate against above (he is Reagan's 
>former speech writer, a self-described 
>"paleo-conservative," etc.) and this is his take 
>on the war -- that Georgia started:
>
>------
>http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan93.html
>
>Is Not Western Hypocrisy Astonishing?
>
>by Patrick J. Buchanan
>
>Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the 
>opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's 
>invasion of its breakaway province of South 
>Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal 
>Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.
>
>Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the 
>Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably 
>means permanent lose sainding tens of thousands 
>fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was 
>whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.
>
>Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the 
>Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb 
>Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.
>
>Reveling in his status as an intimate of George 
>Bush, Dick Cheney and John McCain, and America's 
>lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, 
>Saakashvili thought he could get away with a 
>lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.
>
>Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.
>
>American charges of Russian aggression ring 
>hollow. Georgia started this fight ? Russia 
>finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.
>
>Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.
>
>True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb 
>Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border 
>skirmish where several Israel soldiers were 
>killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?
>
>Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed 
>Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia 
>for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender 
>a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far 
>greater historic claim than Georgia had to 
>Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?
>
>Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?
>
>When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we 
>celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, 
>Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, 
>we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two 
>provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate 
>from Georgians and who fought for their 
>independence, should succeed in breaking away?
>
>Are secessions and the dissolution of nations 
>laudable only when they advance the agenda of 
>the neocons, many of whom viscerally detest Russia?
>
>That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's 
>provocative and stupid stunt to administer an 
>extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is 
>not Russian anger understandable? For years the 
>West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War 
>defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.
>
>When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, 
>closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil 
>empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 
>states, and sought friendship and alliance with 
>the United States, what did we do?
>
>American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite 
>Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a 
>pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our 
>military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto 
>Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and 
>three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.
>
>Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring 
>Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would 
>require the United States to go to war with 
>Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has 
>sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and 
>Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.
>
>When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?
>
>The United States unilaterally abrogated the 
>Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our 
>technology was superior, then planned to site 
>anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech 
>Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, 
>though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A 
>Russian counter-offer to have us together put an 
>anti-missile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.
>
>We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from 
>Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut 
>Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes 
>friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" 
>in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.
>
>Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity 
>to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.
>
>Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, 
>where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after 
>Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of 
>the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us 
>to go home and become subservient to Moscow.
>
>How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought 
>Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established 
>bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense 
>radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with 
>China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and 
>Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to 
>Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and 
>Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, 
>the way we are in the former Soviet republics, 
>how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?
>
>For a decade, some of us have warned about the 
>folly of getting into Russia's space and getting 
>into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic 
>imperialism have now come home to roost ? in Tbilisi.
>
>August 16, 2008
>
>Patrick J. Buchanan [send him mail] is 
>co-founder and editor of The American 
>Conservative. He is also the author of seven 
>books, including Where the Right Went Wrong, and 
>A Republic Not An Empire. His latest book is 
>Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War.
>
>
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 09:34:15 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:34:15 +0100
Subject: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721B0@mr-pants.mshome.net>

Here here!
 
The Palestinians have been fucked-over left, right & centre by Israel. I'm ashamed that our Brit government supported those cretins & 'gave' them Palestine. (Just add it to the list) All they did was show they'd learnt 'techniques' from the Nazis big-stye. Ha, wouldn't even let euro Jews in, as they were 'tainted'. Scum. So, yeah, same here.
 
So being disgusted with the way the Israeli's re-took so-called Israel, with Palestinians under their tank tracks, that's pro-Nazi? What a load of fucking rubbish.
 
As for smear campaigns, both sides know you have to play dirty to win. None of them are worthy.

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Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?


Naaaa, Pat has his own issues. 
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/buchanan_own_words/print.asp

And
---
"In light of the smearing of Governor Palin by Obama surrogate Robert Wexler and Obama spokesman Mark Bubriski, both of whom alleged Palin was a supporter of Patrick Buchanan and therefore a "Nazi sympathizer," this statement from Buchanan today seems noteworthy:

Let me say about Israel here. My position on Israel is frankly awful. It is like Mika [Brzezinski]'s father's, it's a lot closer to Barack Obama's than it is John McCain. I think Barack is right, we ought to talk to the Iranians, he's right to oppose the war and, frankly, he's right to say the Palestinian people have got a terrible deal over there and their suffering ought to be recognized. That's Obama's position. It's my position. I don't think it is a Nazi position.

Governor Palin never supported Pat Buchanan, having supported Steve Forbes in both 1996 and 2000. Still, it must give great comfort to Wexler and Bubriski that Pat Buchanan does support Obama's position on Israel."

Most Conservatives don't care much for him these days and he's supporting Obama. :)
He has own reasons for disillusionment and using his "conservative" label to legitimize what he says.

At 04:57 AM 9/7/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:


fluke fluke wrote:

"Or perhaps not. Funny how the Not In My Name crowd always overlooks aggression by Communist or 'former' Communist regimes. There's no such reticence when it comes to portraying George W. Bush as the new Hitler or daubing swastikas on the Israeli flag. Look at the protests against the wars in Iraq and Lebanon."

=========

Pat Buchanan is hardly the kind of cartoon lefty you bloviate against above (he is Reagan's former speech writer, a self-described "paleo-conservative," etc.) and this is his take on the war -- that Georgia started:

------
http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan93.html

Is Not Western Hypocrisy Astonishing?

by Patrick J. Buchanan

Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.

Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably means permanent lose sainding tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.

Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.

Reveling in his status as an intimate of George Bush, Dick Cheney and John McCain, and America's lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, Saakashvili thought he could get away with a lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.

Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight ? Russia finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.

Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for their independence, should succeed in breaking away?

Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they advance the agenda of the neocons, many of whom viscerally detest Russia?

That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's provocative and stupid stunt to administer an extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is not Russian anger understandable? For years the West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.

When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 states, and sought friendship and alliance with the United States, what did we do?

American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.

Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would require the United States to go to war with Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.

When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?

The United States unilaterally abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our technology was superior, then planned to site anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A Russian counter-offer to have us together put an anti-missile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.

We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.

Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.

Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us to go home and become subservient to Moscow.

How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, the way we are in the former Soviet republics, how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?

For a decade, some of us have warned about the folly of getting into Russia's space and getting into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic imperialism have now come home to roost ? in Tbilisi.

August 16, 2008

Patrick J. Buchanan [send him mail] is co-founder and editor of The American Conservative. He is also the author of seven books, including Where the Right Went Wrong, and A Republic Not An Empire. His latest book is Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War.


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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 09:42:35 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:42:35 +0100
Subject: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox
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> About as stupid and uneducated as a possible future president (Obama) calling for a UN Security Council action against Russia's invasion of Georgia
 
Shocking. Old prejudices at play on the world stage I see. It's pretty fucking clear that Mikheil Saakashvili asked for it on Georgia's behalf. Did he really think he could drag the West in with him? He's the guilty party / war criminal in this instance. Clearly his own peoples' lives count for shit. Fucking dick politician.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: 06 September 2008 00:41
To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Tre' OT -- Obama and Bill the Fox


About as primitive as Obama saying we have 57 states.

About as stupid and uneducated as a possible future president (Obama) calling for a UN Security Council action against Russia's invasion of Georgia. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and will veto anything against itself.

About as primitive as Obama referring to the Penn State Nittany Lions, as the "Nittaly Lions".

About as silly as saying a Tornado in Kansas killed 10,000 people. (Total was 12... Nothing like a bit of embellishment ehh?)

As silly as Obama saying his parents united as a direct result of the Selma march. "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born" 
(The march took place in 1965 he was born in 1961)

No where as messed as Nancy Pelosi saying "You can have a transition with natural gas. You can have a transition with natural gas. That is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels." ------- "I'm -- I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels." ------ I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels."

This is pathetic because Pelosi is one of the principal people responsible for setting the nation's energy policy. Yet she doesn't know that "Natural Gas" IS a fossil fuel.

Shall I go on???

Ps...

Have you ever seen Obama's TelePrompter and how every word is spelled, accented, split or punctuated?
Just Curious


At 04:32 PM 9/5/2008, sade1 wrote:



  About Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related> &feature=related
  How primitive do you have to be that they have to actually spell out 
the word nuclear as "new-clear" on your TelemPrompter so that you 
absolutely, positively nail and get it right? [  <http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/04/moos.nuke.that.word.cnn> video/evidence ]
 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things]

'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
   I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   

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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 09:46:52 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:46:52 +0100
Subject: [kj] OT: Music and personality
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It's yet more bollocks!

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
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Sent: 06 September 2008 07:25
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Music and personality


Instant problem I can think of is that those categories are relatively
arbitrary for starters, and some people have tastes that span many
categories...I'm dubious. Perhaps there are some valid results in there
tho.

> load of bollx
> who paid them to do that shite?
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:50 AM, nicholas fitzpatrick
> <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Going by this study published on the BBC, most of us here are probably
>> not hardworking (Indie fans) and have low self-esteem (metal fans). But
>> we have our qualities too!
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7598549.stm
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  7 10:05:52 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:05:52 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <0K6T0079I8P5XB80@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
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It wasn't the media who paraded them out on that stage.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 7, 2008, at 1:31 AM, The Exorcist wrote:

> Nope... The Media went into it when someone started the rumor about  
> her not being the mother of her child Trig.
>
> At 12:40 AM 9/7/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:
>
>> "I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child  
>> rearing. "
>>
>> She's the one who invokes her motherhood at every opportunity. That  
>> makes it fair game.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:10 PM, The Exorcist wrote:
>>
>>> Huh? So if Bristol is 17 and can make her own decisions why are  
>>> people
>>> tacking her onto her Mother? You tell me... *shrug*
>>>
>>> There are plenty of people out there with different lives and  
>>> circumstances.
>>>
>>> Some have 10 kids and they're all well behaved, some have 2 and  
>>> all hell breaks loose.
>>>
>>> Have you seen any signs of neglect on her children? How many WOMEN  
>>> have gone to work shortly
>>> after having a child? Many! Especially if they have a husband and  
>>> family at home that can help
>>> with the kids.
>>>
>>> I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child  
>>> rearing.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Me
>>>
>>> At 06:42 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> "she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."
>>>>
>>>> You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own  
>>>> decisions?
>>>>
>>>> And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about  
>>>> the fact that she went back to work three days after her child  
>>>> with Down syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.
>>>>
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM, sade1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > she still loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house...
>>>>>
>>>>>   That's a 3-pointer, right there. That (above) is the different  
>>>>> between regular
>>>>> parenting and good parenting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>>>
>>>>> [looking at the current state of things]
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Save me...
>>>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, The Exorcist <  
>>>>> killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
>>>>> From: The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net 
>>>>> >
>>>>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM
>>>>> Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent?
>>>>> You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You  
>>>>> can't FORCE someone
>>>>> to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many  
>>>>> parents have kids that don't listen to them?
>>>>> Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left  
>>>>> wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?
>>>>> That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her  
>>>>> daughter getting preggers and she still loves
>>>>> her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Me
>>>>> At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>>>> consistency and contraception apparently
>>>>>> sade1 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>>>>>>> since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>>>>>>> ..or better yet,
>>>>>>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [looking at the current state of things]
>>>>>>> 'Save me...
>>>>>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>>>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>>>>> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net
>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>>>>>> Check this one out...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~LB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>>>>>> > banned from the
>>>>>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>>>>>> > of the Library
>>>>>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>>>>>> > banned, she tried to
>>>>>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>>>>>> > burners.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>>>>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>>>>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>>>>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>>>>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>>>>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>>>>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>>>>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>>>>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>>>>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>>>>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>>>>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>>>>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>>>>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>>>>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>>>>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>>>>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>>>>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>>>>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>>>>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>>>>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>>>>>> > Cleland
>>>>>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>>>>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>>>>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>>>>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>>>>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>>>>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>>>>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>>>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>>>>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>>>>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>>>>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>>>>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>>>>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>>>>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>>>>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>>>>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>>>>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>>>>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>>>>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>>>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>>>>>> > Christopher Collier
>>>>>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>>>>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>>>>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>>>>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>>>>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>>>>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>>>>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>>>>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>>>>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>>>>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>>>>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>>>>>> > Collective
>>>>>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>>>>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>>>>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>>>>>> > Schwartz
>>>>>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>>>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>>>>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>>>>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>>>>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>>>>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>>>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>>>>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>>>>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>>>>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>>>>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>>>>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>>>>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>>>>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>>>>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>>>>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>>>>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
>>>>>>> >   The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
>>>>>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
>>>>>>> >   The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
>>>>>>> >   The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles
>>>>>>> > Wibbelsman
>>>>>>> >   The Pigman by Paul Zindel
>>>>>>> >   The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
>>>>>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
>>>>>>> >   The Witches by Roald Dahl
>>>>>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>>>>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
>>>>>>> >   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
>>>>>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>>>>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
>>>>>>> > Merriam-Webster
>>>>>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>>>>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
>>>>>>> > Halloween
>>>>>>> >   Symbols by Edna Barth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,  
>>>>>>> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of  
>>>>> social Darwinism.
>>>>> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss  
>>>>> is someone
>>>>> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore,  
>>>>> losers contribute
>>>>> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is  
>>>>> unethical, while
>>>>> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In  
>>>>> the spirit of diversity,
>>>>> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no  
>>>>> winners.
>>>>> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical  
>>>>> team player.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 10:07:13 2008
From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk (Jim Harper)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:07:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
In-Reply-To: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721B0@mr-pants.mshome.net>
Message-ID: <953457.26069.qm@web25902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

About the Georgia situation visa vis the media/liberals/'lefties', two things spring to mind:
?
1)I have to say the situation in Georgia?isn't quite the same with the US and Iraq; people are always far more willing to turn out and protest against their own leaders- and by extension dealing with matters that directly affect the nation and its leaders- than they are to protest about another country's actions. Besides, with almost every nation on the planet protesting about Russia's actions, there isn't much?call for a wave of protests to force our leaders into action.?When the whole world was protesting about the planned US invasion of Iraq, mass protests in American cities had a purpose- it was necessary to change the minds of the US leadership. Similar protests wouldn't have much effect on the leadership in Moscow.
?
2) I've also heard a?few people claiming that 'the left' and 'the liberals' (those people are typically the kind who sees no difference between 'lefties' and 'liberals'- myself, I'm definitely liberal, but not very lefty)?aren't interested in the events in Georgia. I'm not sure where that's coming from. In my corner of the woods the media, whatever their political leanings, has been totally anti-Russian. Groups like Amnesty International (and many others) have been openly critical of the Russian actions. In fact, I've had to work really hard to convince family and friends (most of whom are American and?liberal or lefty) that the Georgian government/army played any part whatsoever in the events. Everyone I know is quite happy to crucify Russia out of hand, so I'm really not sure where this picture of 'lefties' and 'liberals' as Putin apologists came from, but it doesn't seem based on reality.
?
Jim.

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From vaio719 at livedoor.com  Sun Sep  7 10:15:31 2008
From: vaio719 at livedoor.com (vaio719)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:15:31 +0900
Subject: [kj] John Bechdel + Vinnie Signorelli + Algis Kizys vs. KJ
Message-ID: <91476d3f0809070715i1d86a90by1e2c77d006a12b4b@mail.gmail.com>

from Ascension of The Watchers myspace:

> AotW will be venturing across the world in support of Killing Joke in the
US and on a headlining tour through Europe. Burton, John and Edu will be
joined by Vinnie Signorelli on drums and Algis Kizys on bass (both of Swans,
Foetus, NeVAh). See you at the shows!


Burton C. Bell's Ascension of The Watchers:
http://www.myspace.com/aotw

Order "Numinosum"
http://www.thirteenthplanetstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=10&products_id=755


2008/9/1, vaio719 <vaio719 at livedoor.com>:
>
> FEAR FACTORY Singer's ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS Schedules U.S., European
> Dates - Aug. 31, 2008
>
> http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=103821
>
>
> >ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS, the band featuring FEAR FACTORY frontman Burton
> C. Bell and John Bechdel (MINISTRY, KILLING JOKE, FALSE ICONS), has
> scheduled the following dates:
>
> U.S.:
> Oct. 11 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING JOKE)
> Oct. 12 - The Fillmore At Irving Plaza - New York, NY (w/ KILLING JOKE)
> Oct. 14 - House Of Blues - Chicago, IL (w/ KILLING JOKE)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ascension of The Watchers feat. John Bechdel
> http://www.myspace.com/aotw
>
>
> Good Luck Mr. John Bechdel.
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From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 10:23:12 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:23:12 +0100
Subject: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721B3@mr-pants.mshome.net>

Here here for point 2.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Jim Harper
Sent: 07 September 2008 15:07
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?



About the Georgia situation visa vis the media/liberals/'lefties', two things spring to mind:
 
1)I have to say the situation in Georgia isn't quite the same with the US and Iraq; people are always far more willing to turn out and protest against their own leaders- and by extension dealing with matters that directly affect the nation and its leaders- than they are to protest about another country's actions. Besides, with almost every nation on the planet protesting about Russia's actions, there isn't much call for a wave of protests to force our leaders into action. When the whole world was protesting about the planned US invasion of Iraq, mass protests in American cities had a purpose- it was necessary to change the minds of the US leadership. Similar protests wouldn't have much effect on the leadership in Moscow.
 
2) I've also heard a few people claiming that 'the left' and 'the liberals' (those people are typically the kind who sees no difference between 'lefties' and 'liberals'- myself, I'm definitely liberal, but not very lefty) aren't interested in the events in Georgia. I'm not sure where that's coming from. In my corner of the woods the media, whatever their political leanings, has been totally anti-Russian. Groups like Amnesty International (and many others) have been openly critical of the Russian actions. In fact, I've had to work really hard to convince family and friends (most of whom are American and liberal or lefty) that the Georgian government/army played any part whatsoever in the events. Everyone I know is quite happy to crucify Russia out of hand, so I'm really not sure where this picture of 'lefties' and 'liberals' as Putin apologists came from, but it doesn't seem based on reality.
 
Jim.

NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).

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From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep  7 10:52:25 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:52:25 -0500
Subject: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
In-Reply-To: <0K6T0019NTZGI6I0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <BLU108-W79EAC9B355A274E8F3E46BE5A0@phx.gbl>	<48C39773.9080005@sbcglobal.net>
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Of course Pat Buchanan has his own issues. He is the one who wrote 
Reagan's famous speech at Bitburg, Germany, where Reagan said that 
German SS soldiers were surely as much victims of WWII as Jews! This 
speech inspired the Ramones song "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg."

My point was to refute flukefluke's contention that these cartoonish, 
carcicature-ish leftists are the only ones who either overlook Russia 
aggression, or who provide apologia for it. That isn't the case. 
Paleo-cons and others have pointed out repeatedly that Georgia started 
the war. Another noteworthy artcile in this vein, from someon who also 
isn't a leftist, is this one:

"Georgia Tries out Bush War Doctrine, But Loses Badly":  
http://www.alternet.org/audits/94706/georgia_tries_out_the_bush_war_doctrine,_loses_badly/

That's by Gary Brecher, the "war nerd," who writes about war the way 
some people write about basketball or football. he also points out that 
georgia instigated the conflict. Despite the fact his column was posted 
at Alternet, above, that is not the origin of the article, which was in 
a print magazine that is not leftist.

Why can't anyone say the presidnt of Georgia fucked up big time, and bit 
off more than he could chew when he invaded South Ossetia (adjoined to 
North Ossetia, which is inside Russia) and killed hundreds if not 
thousands of ethnic Russians in his own country, promptig the Russian 
response? is reflexive anti-Russian sentiment that bad, that when they 
try to protect their own citizens, it means, oh shit, they are bullies? 
Thats ridiculous. Jhn McCain even said: 'We are all Georgians." It's a 
total farce, to borrow a phrase from new Model Army.

-Oliver

The Exorcist wrote:
> Naaaa, Pat has his own issues.
> http://www.adl.org/special_reports/buchanan_own_words/print.asp
>
>


From bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep  7 11:01:35 2008
From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net (B. Oliver Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:01:35 -0500
Subject: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
In-Reply-To: <48C3EAA9.9060509@sbcglobal.net>
References: <BLU108-W79EAC9B355A274E8F3E46BE5A0@phx.gbl>	<48C39773.9080005@sbcglobal.net>	<0K6T0019NTZGI6I0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<48C3EAA9.9060509@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48C3ECCF.4070500@sbcglobal.net>

And here is yet another one, a piece in the Washington Post written in 
response to John McCain's preposterous statement that "We are all 
Georgians."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/14/AR2008081401360.html

Some people consider the Washington Post to have a liberal bias.

SO: That is one 1) article from an avowed conservative that says, wait a 
minute, the Georgians are the ones that fucked up; one 2) from Gary 
Brecher, author of _The War Nerd_, who claims he is a classical American 
conservative (not a Bush-style neo-con); and 3) a liberal paper. Three 
different ideological backgrounds, all claiming rightly that Georgia 
instigated this conflict, and really fucked up in invading Ossetia, half 
of which is attached like a set of testicles beneath Russian and into 
Georgia's borders, and the upper half of which is in Russia, but all of 
whom consider themselves to be ethnic Russians, not Georgians.

States generally have a mandate to protect their citizens and peoples 
when they are attacked. Indeed, that is a large part of the 
justification for the existence of nation-states to begin with. The 
hysterical Western/American reaction is absurd -- as if the old Cold War 
USSR has landed the Red Army in Pennsylvania circa 1965 or something. 
What the hel. In the meantime, Condi Rice signed a deal to put US 
missiles in Poland, Russia's border. Imagine if Russia did that with 
Canada. But they didn't; they went into a part o Ossetia and staunched a 
Georgian assault on ethnic Russians.

-Oliver


From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 11:15:48 2008
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:15:48 +0100
Subject: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0721B6@mr-pants.mshome.net>

Dude, I shouldn't bother trying to refute anything that flukefluke says - he's just trying to wind you up. It's Peter West.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
Sent: 07 September 2008 15:52
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?


Of course Pat Buchanan has his own issues. He is the one who wrote 
Reagan's famous speech at Bitburg, Germany, where Reagan said that 
German SS soldiers were surely as much victims of WWII as Jews! This 
speech inspired the Ramones song "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg."

My point was to refute flukefluke's contention that these cartoonish, 
carcicature-ish leftists are the only ones who either overlook Russia 
aggression, or who provide apologia for it. That isn't the case. 
Paleo-cons and others have pointed out repeatedly that Georgia started 
the war. Another noteworthy artcile in this vein, from someon who also 
isn't a leftist, is this one:

"Georgia Tries out Bush War Doctrine, But Loses Badly":  
http://www.alternet.org/audits/94706/georgia_tries_out_the_bush_war_doctrine,_loses_badly/

That's by Gary Brecher, the "war nerd," who writes about war the way 
some people write about basketball or football. he also points out that 
georgia instigated the conflict. Despite the fact his column was posted 
at Alternet, above, that is not the origin of the article, which was in 
a print magazine that is not leftist.

Why can't anyone say the presidnt of Georgia fucked up big time, and bit 
off more than he could chew when he invaded South Ossetia (adjoined to 
North Ossetia, which is inside Russia) and killed hundreds if not 
thousands of ethnic Russians in his own country, promptig the Russian 
response? is reflexive anti-Russian sentiment that bad, that when they 
try to protect their own citizens, it means, oh shit, they are bullies? 
Thats ridiculous. Jhn McCain even said: 'We are all Georgians." It's a 
total farce, to borrow a phrase from new Model Army.

-Oliver

The Exorcist wrote:
> Naaaa, Pat has his own issues.
> http://www.adl.org/special_reports/buchanan_own_words/print.asp
>
>

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From thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 11:47:55 2008
From: thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk (Steve Hackett)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:47:55 +0100
Subject: [kj] Forum Friday night
Message-ID: <000801c91101$186065e0$025ea8c0@HOMEHACKETT>

Two upstairs tickets available - ?50 to cover booking fees and recorded postage.

Dog operation forces sale...............
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  7 12:07:47 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:07:47 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
In-Reply-To: <0K6T0079I8P5XB80@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <831522.89664.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<54C8D807-F2B1-45C6-A10E-3E10C7EA344B@earthlink.net>
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	<3D2CCAAF-E3DF-4A04-B478-3C38EF56A38F@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <10C249A9-132D-486D-B984-1F9866938DCF@earthlink.net>

"her not being the mother of her child Trig"

Hadn't heard that one. YOU'RE SPREADING SCANDAL!!!!

Alex in NYC


On Sep 7, 2008, at 1:31 AM, The Exorcist wrote:

> Nope... The Media went into it when someone started the rumor about  
> her not being the mother of her child Trig.
>
> At 12:40 AM 9/7/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:
>
>> "I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child  
>> rearing. "
>>
>> She's the one who invokes her motherhood at every opportunity. That  
>> makes it fair game.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:10 PM, The Exorcist wrote:
>>
>>> Huh? So if Bristol is 17 and can make her own decisions why are  
>>> people
>>> tacking her onto her Mother? You tell me... *shrug*
>>>
>>> There are plenty of people out there with different lives and  
>>> circumstances.
>>>
>>> Some have 10 kids and they're all well behaved, some have 2 and  
>>> all hell breaks loose.
>>>
>>> Have you seen any signs of neglect on her children? How many WOMEN  
>>> have gone to work shortly
>>> after having a child? Many! Especially if they have a husband and  
>>> family at home that can help
>>> with the kids.
>>>
>>> I'm glad to see we've now delved into the analysis of her child  
>>> rearing.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Me
>>>
>>> At 06:42 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> "she loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house..."
>>>>
>>>> You can prove this? Also, Bristol's 17 -- can't she make her own  
>>>> decisions?
>>>>
>>>> And if we're getting into the "good parenting" realm, how about  
>>>> the fact that she went back to work three days after her child  
>>>> with Down syndrome was born? Yeah, that's great parenting.
>>>>
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM, sade1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > she still loves her kid and didn't throw her out of the house...
>>>>>
>>>>>   That's a 3-pointer, right there. That (above) is the different  
>>>>> between regular
>>>>> parenting and good parenting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>>>
>>>>> [looking at the current state of things]
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Save me...
>>>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, The Exorcist <  
>>>>> killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:
>>>>> From: The Exorcist < killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net 
>>>>> >
>>>>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 3:23 PM
>>>>> Because her daughter got preggers means she's not consistent?
>>>>> You can believe in and something and preach it and teach it. You  
>>>>> can't FORCE someone
>>>>> to follow it. One has NOTHING to do with he other. How many  
>>>>> parents have kids that don't listen to them?
>>>>> Raise them religious and kids are not religious, raise them left  
>>>>> wing/right wing and kids go against the grain?
>>>>> That's just anther cheap shot which is pathetic. How about her  
>>>>> daughter getting preggers and she still loves
>>>>> her kid and didn't throw her out of the house, ehhh?
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Me
>>>>> At 03:36 PM 9/6/2008, woody2shooz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>>>> consistency and contraception apparently
>>>>>> sade1 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I wonder what movies she thought of banning also,
>>>>>>> since libraries do carry movies and cds and dvds...
>>>>>>> ..or better yet,
>>>>>>> what does she restrict in her own family's home?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [looking at the current state of things]
>>>>>>> 'Save me...
>>>>>>>   save me from Tomorrow..
>>>>>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'
>>>>>>> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com <LONESTYLE at aol.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net
>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
>>>>>>> Check this one out...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~LB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have
>>>>>>> > banned from the
>>>>>>> > Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes
>>>>>>> > of the Library
>>>>>>> > Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books
>>>>>>> > banned, she tried to
>>>>>>> > have the librarian fired.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book
>>>>>>> > burners.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
>>>>>>> >   A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
>>>>>>> >   Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
>>>>>>> >   As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
>>>>>>> >   Blubber by Judy Blume
>>>>>>> >   Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
>>>>>>> >   Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
>>>>>>> >   Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
>>>>>>> >   Carrie by Stephen King
>>>>>>> >   Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
>>>>>>> >   Christine by Stephen King
>>>>>>> >   Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
>>>>>>> >   Cujo by Stephen King
>>>>>>> >   Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
>>>>>>> >   Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
>>>>>>> >   Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
>>>>>>> >   Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
>>>>>>> >   Decameron by Boccaccio
>>>>>>> >   East of Eden by John Steinbeck
>>>>>>> >   Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
>>>>>>> >   Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John
>>>>>>> > Cleland
>>>>>>> >   Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
>>>>>>> >   Forever by Judy Blume
>>>>>>> >   Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
>>>>>>> >   Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
>>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>>> >   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
>>>>>>> >   Have to Go by Robert Munsch
>>>>>>> >   Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
>>>>>>> >   How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
>>>>>>> >   Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>>>>> >   I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
>>>>>>> >   Impressions edited by Jack Booth
>>>>>>> >   In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
>>>>>>> >   It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
>>>>>>> >   James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
>>>>>>> >   Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
>>>>>>> >   Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
>>>>>>> >   Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
>>>>>>> >   Lord of the Flies by William Golding
>>>>>>> >   Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
>>>>>>> >   Lysistrata by Aristophanes
>>>>>>> >   More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>>>>> >   My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and
>>>>>>> > Christopher Collier
>>>>>>> >   My House by Nikki Giovanni
>>>>>>> >   My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
>>>>>>> >   Night Chills by Dean Koontz
>>>>>>> >   Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
>>>>>>> >   On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
>>>>>>> >   One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander
>>>>>>> > Solzhenitsyn
>>>>>>> >   One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
>>>>>>> >   One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>>>>>>> >   Ordinary People by Judith Guest
>>>>>>> >   Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health
>>>>>>> > Collective
>>>>>>> >   Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
>>>>>>> >   Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
>>>>>>> >   Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin
>>>>>>> > Schwartz
>>>>>>> >   Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
>>>>>>> >   Separate Peace by John Knowles
>>>>>>> >   Silas Marner by George Eliot
>>>>>>> >   Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
>>>>>>> >   Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
>>>>>>> >   The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>>>>>>> >   The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
>>>>>>> >   The Bastard by John Jakes
>>>>>>> >   The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
>>>>>>> >   The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
>>>>>>> >   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
>>>>>>> >   The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
>>>>>>> >   The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
>>>>>>> >   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
>>>>>>> >   The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
>>>>>>> >   The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
>>>>>>> >   The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
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>>>>>>> >   The Living Bible by William C. Bower
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>>>>>>> >   The Shining by Stephen King
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>>>>>>> >   The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
>>>>>>> >   Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
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>>>>>>> >   Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
>>>>>>> >   Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the
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>>>>>>> >   Editorial Staff
>>>>>>> >   Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  7 12:10:34 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:10:34 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - James Frey
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Who cares about James Frey? So he writes a little book, tells people  
it's a true story, Oprah buys it and tells everyone else to, then it's  
disclosed that it's actual not true. Big fuckin' deal. Think he's the  
first guy to do that?

Bottom line: fact or fiction, he's simply not a very good writer.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 7, 2008, at 2:15 AM, Brendan wrote:

> IMO it's not an easy question to answer and I haven't given it enough
> thought to be perfectly honest.
>
> I am anti-censorship but I'm also anti race-hatred, anti-gender  
> hatred,
> anti-fascist etc.
>
> Short answer...not entirely sure. But by and large I'm anti- 
> censorship.
>
> James Frey is totally full of shit in my opinion, but as long as  
> people
> are aware of the true story (i.e. his lies) behind his books then read
> away I say.
>
>> Btw, what's your opinion on publishing books that may be found
>> offensive to certain groups people?
>>
>> Should they be published or should the publisher not publish it
>> because some people might get upset?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Me
>>
>> At 01:32 AM 9/7/2008, Brendan wrote:
>>> Regardless of title, the banning of ANY book is completely fucked  
>>> up.
>>>
>>> Except "A thousand little pieces" by James Frey ;)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
>>>> surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman  
>>>> didn't get
>>>> her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
>>>>
>>>> More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of ANY  
>>>> book
>>>> is completely fucked up.
>>>>
>>>> May she rot.
>>>>
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
>>>>> evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list  
>>>>> accurate. I
>>>>> mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
>>>>> snopes.com check.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Oliver
>>>>>
>>>>> LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> Check this one out...
>>>>>> ~LB
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
>> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
>> Darwinism.
>> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is  
>> someone
>> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
>> contribute
>> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
>> unethical, while
>> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
>> spirit of diversity,
>> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
>> player.
>> _______________________________________________
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  7 12:11:04 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:11:04 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - banned !!!!!!
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I believe it was "Your Mother Sucks Cocks In Hell," no?

Alex in NYC


On Sep 7, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Brendan wrote:

> PS: The movie The Exorcist was widely banned, perhaps lines like "Suck
> your cock and stick it up your mother's ass" had something to do  
> with it.
>
> Personally I disagree with the ban, that line proved a staple for  
> quite a
> while as an adolescent.
>
> Me and a mate used to have competitions in class to see how loudly and
> quickly we could say it out of the blue and not get caught.
>
> Guess who pushed it too far and got caught.
>
>> I hate to break it to you but it's not only religion that it  
>> applies to.
>> It applies to any mass belief or ideology.
>>
>> Sorta reminds me of the Penn & Teller Bullshit! where they went to
>> one of the big protests and got
>> people to sign a sheet saying they want to outlaw water.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Me
>>
>> At 01:49 AM 9/7/2008, bongo wrote:
>>> yeah but once the rot sets in, where does it end?
>>> belson was a gas.........
>>>
>>>
>>> as Richard Dawkins says (in different words...) once the mindset of
>>> stupid bullshit takes over (religion) sheeple/blind followers  
>>> could be
>>> turned into suicide bombers (for the cause!) within maybe only a few
>>> generations/decades...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/7/08, fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She didn't even want any books to be banned . She just enquired  
>>>> about
>>>> restricting some books in the Public Library .
>>>> Using the word "Banned" gives the impressions that she wanted a
>>> U.S wide ban
>>>> on the books .
>>>> A wholseale  Banning of books in the U.S and restricting the  
>>>> content
>>> of
>>>> books in a small Public Library are two very different things.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
>>> postponed indefinitely..."
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social
>> Darwinism.
>> We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is  
>> someone
>> else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers
>> contribute
>> to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is
>> unethical, while
>> a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the
>> spirit of diversity,
>> inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.
>> Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team
>> player.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Gathering mailing list
>> Gathering at misera.net
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>>
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>
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From vassifer at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  7 12:14:41 2008
From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:14:41 -0400
Subject: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
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" I find it sad that the people who claim to be "liberal" would go and  
shut down and shout down anyone who doesn't agree with them."

What exactly do you think the Right/Conservative/Republicans are  
doing? Sitting quietly with the fingers entwined?

Alex in NYC


On Sep 7, 2008, at 8:28 AM, ade wrote:

> >Though in all honesty... I think it goes beyond republican/democrat  
> left/right. I was always pro free speech & transparency. I find it  
> sad that the people who claim to be "liberal" would go and shut down  
> and shout down anyone who doesn't agree with them.
>
> Spot-on. This is the truth of free speech - the chosen 'enemy'  
> should have as much right to spout their utterances as the chosen  
> 'heroes'.
>
> Sadly, this is how Hitler got in.
>
> Back when the Greeks began voting, at the dawn of democracy (lol),  
> did they not vote for war time & time again?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 
> ]On Behalf Of The Exorcist
> Sent: 07 September 2008 00:26
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>
> I guess some things can't be explained ehhh? LOL (Also a big SWANS  
> fan amongst many many other bands.
> Music and books are my life. I guess I just enjoy and can understand  
> and relate to free expression in its many
> various forms.)
>
> Though in all honesty... I think it goes beyond republican/democrat  
> left/right.
>
> I was always pro free speech & transparency. I find it sad that the  
> people who claim to be "liberal" would
> go and shut down and shout down anyone who doesn't agree with them.
>
> (How many times have you seen a right wing or conservative speaker  
> being shouted down by lefties when invited
> to speak at a University?) When people feel the need to disrupt  
> someone's speech (Code Pink at the RNC?).
>
> I understand that people are different and I respect it. I don't  
> force my views on anyone and am more than willing
> to agree to disagree. More importantly, I will always fight and  
> support free Speech no matter to whom it applies!
>
> Cheers,
> Me
>
> Have a great weekend and hope the rain is gone by tomorrow.
>
>
> At 07:02 PM 9/6/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:
>> It always amazes me how Yos the Exorcist can be such a die-hard  
>> Republican and a die-hard Killing Joke fan at the same time. To my  
>> mind, they cancel each other out -- but then, I'm a proudly liberal  
>> lefty and still a Kiss fan, so I guess it's the same contradiction.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:52 PM, The Exorcist wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, just like saying that it wasn't her child but her daughters.  
>>> Truth doesn't matter. All you
>>> have to do is talk shit and make enough of a ruckus that people  
>>> believe it.
>>>
>>> Speaking on the banning of things and restriction of free speech  
>>> let's look at Sir Obama's record.
>>>
>>> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12816.html
>>> Sen. Barack Obama has launched an all-out effort to block a  
>>> Republican billionaire?s efforts to tie him
>>> to domestic and foreign terrorists in a wave of negative  
>>> television ads.
>>>
>>> Obama?s campaign has written the Department of Justice demanding a  
>>> criminal investigation of the ?American Issues Project,?
>>> the vehicle through which Dallas investor Harold Simmons is  
>>> financing the advertisements. The Obama campaign ? and tens
>>> of thousands of supporters ? also is pressuring television  
>>> networks and affiliates to reject the ads.
>>>
>>> OR...  http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html
>>> (the above link is just a small snippet... there are much more  
>>> detailed ones out there)
>>>
>>> The fact that Obama tried to have Stanley Kurtz thrown off the air  
>>> for talking about the "Chicago Annenberg Challenge".
>>>
>>> "The magazine had been blocked in its initial attempts to obtain  
>>> records from the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding
>>> a school reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge,  
>>> which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded.
>>>
>>> Obama critics were quick to suggest that political clout could be  
>>> involved in seeking to protect Obama from embarrassment.
>>> The school later reserved its position and made the records  
>>> available Tuesday."
>>>
>>> So first they have the University block access to the files. Then  
>>> they threaten, flood and go after the radio station that will give  
>>> Stanley
>>> a stage to talk at. BRAVO!!! Way to go!
>>>
>>> At least the Radio station offered the Obama campaign to come on  
>>> the show to discuss/refute what Stanley says (The Obama
>>> campaign declined.
>>>
>>> The ones throwing shit at Palin don't provide that opportunity.  
>>> While Stanley Kurtz and the Ad campaign (correct       or incorrect)
>>> stated info based on Obama's past associations the shit thrown at  
>>> Palin is pulled out of thin air.
>>>
>>> Funny thing is, Palin isn't running to the DOJ or sending out mass  
>>> Emails telling people to wreak havoc.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Me
>>>
>>>
>>> At 05:12 PM 9/6/2008, fluke fluke wrote:
>>>> I dont see how you can judge a person  on the basis of when they  
>>>> first got their passport .
>>>> Also she didn't ban any books  whilst she was Mayor she  
>>>> just ............
>>>>
>>>> "Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries  
>>>> rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a  
>>>> department head "about understanding and following administration  
>>>> agendas," according to the Frontiersman article."
>>>>
>>>>    I abhor these Left Wing smear campaigns, they are dishonest ,  
>>>> deceitful and they distort the democratic process .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > From: vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>> > To: gathering at misera.net
>>>> > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:57:34 -0400
>>>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT - List of books Sarah Palin wanted banned
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Like I said, it certainly fits her profile, though I'd be damn
>>>> > surprised if she's even HEART of HALF of these books (woman  
>>>> didn't get
>>>> > her first passport until 2007, for cryin' out loud).
>>>> >
>>>> > More to the point though: Regardless of title, the banning of  
>>>> ANY book
>>>> > is completely fucked up.
>>>> >
>>>> > May she rot.
>>>> >
>>>> > Alex in NYC
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Wow, I know she had some deal with the library, and I hate this
>>>> > > evil, hypocritical version of Tina Fey, but is that list  
>>>> accurate. I
>>>> > > mean, LYSISTRATA? Banned?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Part of me wouldn't doubt it -- but part of me insists on a
>>>> > > snopes.com check.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > -Oliver
>>>> > >
>>>> > > LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:
>>>> > >> Check this one out...
>>>> > >> ~LB
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >
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