[kj] [OT] More Palin

[Karen Weil]

Alex, you nailed it.

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alexander Smith 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin


  "I'm just amazed at all the attacks going out on Palin and it irritated me to
  the point of feeling the need to respond. "


  That you're amazed that so many people find her beyond reproach is something I find exasperating. LIFT YOUR HEAD FROM THE SAND, man. She's a giant step backwards waiting to happen.


  Alex in NYC







  On Sep 12, 2008, at 6:23 PM, The Exorcist wrote:


    I'm frankly not crazy about what's out there from either aisle.

    Nor did I vote for McCain in the primaries either.
    (Though I tend to lean right in my votes)

    I'm just amazed at all the attacks going out on Palin and it irritated me to
    the point of feeling the need to respond. 

    While we most definitely don't agree with views (which is how the world works in general 
    and I love it!), attacks ought to be applied to both sides.

    (It was also nice to see that Palin did not say that our mission in Iraq is god's plan, but that we 
    should pray that it's in his plan and that we are doing the right thing. I was very disturbed by the 
    youtube clip and it now puts it more into perspective. 

    Kennedy and other presidents have said lines similar to the ones Palin had said.

    JFK----

    "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--
    the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God."

    "With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the 
    land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.")

    High taxes or low taxes? War or no War? More gov't programs or less? Healthcare: private, national, bit of
    both? 

    When the media went after Palin for not knowing about "Foreign Policy" and not being ready 
    I don't recall anyone doing that to Obama when the Russian-Georgian spat broke out. And 
    that was something like a mini surprise test where we got to see both presidential candidates react.

    I do believe Obama has been handled with kid gloves and I base it on observations like what I
    had listed in the previous post. No one on "The Gathering" said "OMG Obama doesn't understand
    how the UN works or how our military chain of command works". But Palin doesn't know "The Bush
    Doctrine" (which there are quite a few interpretations) and all of a sudden the battle cry "She's not ready".

    The whole experience thing is out the window as both Obama and Palin have little national experience
     and I don't think it can be used anymore.

    Any questions or criteria that are thrown to/applied to one candidate should be thrown at/applied to the other as well.

    Just like in basketball, if both teams shoot and miss, it stays 0-0, not 1-0.

    This post has nothing to do with pro-Palin/anti-Obama (though I am clearly not an Obama fan)
    it's about equal objectivity as I see it.

    (You'll also notice I don't start any "Pro Palin" or "Anti Obama" threads. I just respond to it)

    Have a lovely weekend Karen,
    (It's rainy and crappy here)
    Yos

    At 05:26 PM 9/12/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

      Sorry, Exorcist, but respectfully, I don't share your views. 
      And I doubt she knows how the government works any better.
      Tell you what: Please tell me why you like (or don't) Palin. I really would like to know. 
      You're an intelligent person, so I'd welcome your thoughts.
       
      Best,
       
      Karen 
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: The Exorcist 
        To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
        Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:12 PM 
        Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin 
        Doesn't know the bush doctrine? 
        How about Obama who is running for President not knowing about 
        UN policy? Recall the "lets go to the UN and go after Russia" while forgetting 
        that Russia has Veto Power? 
        Or when Barack Obama said, "I'm going to call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and give them a new mission, 
        and that is to bring the war in Iraq to a close." 
        The problem is that the Joint Chief of Staff does not have operational command of the U.S. Military. So he 
        has no clue how the gov't works as well.


        Hmmmm.... 
        I guess that sorta evens out the "best candidate" arguemtn ehhh? 
        At 03:53 PM 9/12/2008, Karen Weil wrote:
          Doesn't know the Bush Doctrine? Blamed Russia for the for the conflict over there? Still connecting Iraq to 9/11. 
          Somebody tell us again why McCain picked this woman -- it sure as hell wasn't because she was the best candidate. 
          Sad, sad, sad. 
           
          k.w. 
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: folk devil 
            To: gathering at misera.net 
            Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:49 AM 
            Subject: [kj] [OT] More Palin


            http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5782924 
             
            Republican VP Candidate Speaks with ABC News' Charlie Gibson in Exclusive Interview. 
             
            In god she trusts. Too much.



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