From louiecipher33 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 03:31:00 2009 From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com (Simon Abinett) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:31:00 +0000 Subject: [kj] Berlin spoken word In-Reply-To: <584790.75104.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <584790.75104.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:51:46 -0700 > From: letranger789 at yahoo.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: [kj] Berlin spoken word > > > Has anyone heard whether or not Jaz's spoken word performance in Berlin has been cancelled? Wait, did those tickets ever actually go on sale? Does anyone remember the link to the site where show was supposed to be? > > Muchas gracias, > > Adam JAZ COLEMAN of Killing Joke doing a spoken word show. London - 2009.05.30 (saturday) - CANCELED Venue: THE TABERNACLE (myvillage.com, Safe Concerts) Tickets: Ticketmaster UK, Seetickets.com, Stargreen Berlin - 2009.06.05 (friday) - CANCELED Venue: KATO Kulturbahnhof Kreuzberg Tickets: FKP Scorpio, KOKA36, Berlin.de, Trinity Concerts Online This show has been cancelled. Tickets can be given back, where they have been bought. [Trinity Concerts Online] > > melinda grant wrote: > > well i am bie-sexual and dont mind shouting it from the roof tops ;D ive also ordered my tix for heaven k.j gig happy dayz and each to there own i say,live and > > let live-right on ;) > > > > milindafgrant > > From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:29:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site - sexuality > > You can't just put a person's Sexuality into a box...or have we just returned to Victorian England? > > From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:30:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:57:23 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Any guy who doesn't get off on two chicks together is gay, therefore every > guy is into homosexuality in some form or another Stephen. > > > actually yes from both a moral and spiritual viewpoint > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:44:35 +0100 > > From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > Is it so bad to be accused of 'gayness' Stephen dear? > > Express your personality in color! 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Marc. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:20 PM, sade1 wrote: > concerning early (possibly gay'ish?) antics.... A big 'MyBad' on that, it should've read, ".. (possibly gay'ish?) Killing Joke antics...." ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:50:55 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale I am still waiting for Madame M's. reply concerning early (possibly gay'ish?) antics.... ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: Alexander Smith To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:12:28 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Wow, cheers for this, Milinda. This belongs in a frame!!! Alex in NYC On Mar 31, 2009, at 10:54 AM, melinda grant wrote: thought this may be of interest to you all ;) milindafgrant ps check below,hope it comes out Subject: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:40:14 -0700 To: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com From: noreply at kentishtownforum.com Killing Joke are delighted to be back for the summer with festival performances across Europe... Starting with an intimate summer warm up show at Heaven... 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Try it Now! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -- www.myspace.com/lycopodeiauk www.lycopodeia.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulwady at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 04:18:05 2009 From: paulwady at hotmail.com (Paul Wady) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:18:05 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site - sexuality In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local> <32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: Bisexual? Why would a lovely girl like you have to Buy it? Keep Smiling... http://www.myspace.com/themodelaircraftmuseum http://www.myspace.com/paulwadyexperience Autism also affects adults. Most are isolated and ignored Think. Act. Transform Lives. www.think-differently.org.uk From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:38:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site - sexuality well i am bie-sexual and dont mind shouting it from the roof tops ;D ive also ordered my tix for heaven k.j gig happy dayz and each to there own i say,live and let live-right on ;) milindafgrant From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:29:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site - sexuality You can't just put a person's Sexuality into a box...or have we just returned to Victorian England? From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:30:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:57:23 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Any guy who doesn't get off on two chicks together is gay, therefore every > guy is into homosexuality in some form or another Stephen. > >> actually yes from both a moral and spiritual viewpoint >> >> >> >> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:44:35 +0100 >> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk >> To: gathering at misera.net >> Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >> >> >> >> >> Is it so bad to be accused of 'gayness' Stephen dear? 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 06:54:04 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 07:52:43 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:52:43 +0100 Subject: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale In-Reply-To: References: <634754.26481.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4881fb6c0903311527p63365fbw3c2e930d6f96a659@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Do you really think that the tickets would be any cheaper on a proper tour? How much were the tickets for the Forum? I dont remember them being that much, in fact i gave one away, more fool me perhaps. As for getting home, Embankment and Charing X tube are just round the corner, not to mention Charing X mainline. I've always got home to Sarf Lundon from gigs deep in Bandit country (Norf Lundon) without too much expense, a plethora of night buses does the trick. Trafalgar Square, again, 2 mins walk from Heaven will get peeps back to the dark side! Jelsea it's because i'm a Lunduner! P.S. Is Mick (Dirty Leeds) Head coming? From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:59:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Do you really think that the tickets would be any cheaper on a proper tour? Proper tours also generally include wednesdays as well . Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:27:18 +0100 From: tabazan at gmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale ?22.50 a ticket? On a Wednesday night? Who are they kidding?? Looks like I won't be making this one (there is no way I could get home without forking out another fortune on a cab!) Bring on a proper tour . . . . Marc. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:20 PM, sade1 wrote: > concerning early (possibly gay'ish?) antics.... A big 'MyBad' on that, it should've read, ".. (possibly gay'ish?) Killing Joke antics...." ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:50:55 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale I am still waiting for Madame M's. reply concerning early (possibly gay'ish?) antics.... ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: Alexander Smith To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:12:28 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Wow, cheers for this, Milinda. This belongs in a frame!!! Alex in NYC On Mar 31, 2009, at 10:54 AM, melinda grant wrote: thought this may be of interest to you all ;) milindafgrant ps check below,hope it comes out Subject: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:40:14 -0700 To: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com From: noreply at kentishtownforum.com Killing Joke are delighted to be back for the summer with festival performances across Europe... Starting with an intimate summer warm up show at Heaven... Heaven Warm up May 6th All Tomorrows Parties Minehead May 9th Isle of Wight Festival June 14th Hellfest France June 19th Dourfest Belgium July 17th Ilosaarirock Festival Finland July 18th Sonisphere Knebworth August 1st Rebellion Blackpool August 9th If you wish to update your records to exclude you from receiving future emails regarding pre-sales, special offers and advance notice of forthcoming events,please unsubscribe here. Please do not reply to this email. , EC2A 2DU. 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URL: From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 08:07:06 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 08:10:30 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and this sums up what I think about it: The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone who has seen the truth: Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there with you. Greg (former Christian) > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > mankind from itself > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > Recognise the quote? > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > more institutionalised. > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I can roll with that SL. > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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Learn more! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 08:15:54 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:15:54 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: When you know God is dead, and we are...Gods! Jeleity > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From vassifer at earthlink.net Wed Apr 1 08:17:43 2009 From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: > none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be > destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled > around like a demented child king long enough'' > > You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a > demented child king thank you. > > "Too much need to believe-Madness" > > Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! > > Now prepare for the rain of fire! > > Jelly > > From: stephen.l at live.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have > not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible > wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation > whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book > proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with > nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's > ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in > this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's > kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long > enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact > don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of > it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his > patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but > know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish > HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and > ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of > gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of > Heaven and Hell. > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > Recognise the quote? > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The > Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden > Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault > from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an > organisation where it was more institutionalised. > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net > ] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for > you never know what tomorrow may bring > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my > seeds. > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this > unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm > which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like > last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > S'ok sweet pea. > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > I can roll with that SL. > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view > of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of > life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces > false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love > and destoys relationships > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From joker at Z6.com Wed Apr 1 08:47:16 2009 From: joker at Z6.com (Rob's Arse) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 Subject: [kj] Official Site Message-ID: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: From: "Brendan" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and this sums up what I think about it: The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone who has seen the truth: Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there with you. Greg (former Christian) > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > mankind from itself > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > Recognise the quote? > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > more institutionalised. > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I can roll with that SL. > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > 13:05:00 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____________________________________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of www.worldmap.com) From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 08:52:35 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:52:35 +0100 Subject: [kj] FW: Official Site In-Reply-To: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: joker at z6.com Subject: RE: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:51:01 +0100 Gotta say Rob, top post, says it all for me mate. Ta. Jel > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From gregslawson at msn.com Wed Apr 1 08:52:50 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:52:50 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick All religions make me want to throw up They claim that they have the answers When they don't even know the questions They're just a bunch of liars THey just want your money THey just want your consciousness" > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > > 13:05:00 > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 09:48:11 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <0KHF000PRD113F50@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Sounds just like Communism to me! The only thing that Communism (or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case we can also use the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is futile) has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. (Timewave speed baby!) At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Great anti-religion songs: >PiL: Religion >XTC: Dear God >Lennon: Imagine >Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick > >All religions make me want to throw up > >They claim that they have the answers > >When they don't even know the questions > They're just a bunch of liars > THey just want your money > >THey just want your consciousness" > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > > From: joker at Z6.com > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make > the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving > narrow minded individuals who are unable to > confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he > was a preacher, obviously a highly effective > one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > > > What concerns me is how his words have been > read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap > from the dealings I have had with you off list, > but I am alarmed that you might take a simple > issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His > teachings are about forgiveness, understanding > and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with > hookers! I doubt very much if he would have > been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his > word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a > collection of stories that were put together by > people after the fact putting their spin on it. > The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! > I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like > all the other religions I have come across is a > blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, > downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > > > I've an open mind about God. He might or > might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But > I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty > pissed off with all the people running round > the world doing things in his/her name! > > > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the > population of the Earth is not the act of an > omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told > that God gave us free will and that we should > use it and that would determine our fate. What > you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do > it your way but when it's not going how I like, > I'll take me ball home". These sorts of > contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > > > I will say that the CHristians have given us > some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > > > From: "Brendan" > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke > \(the band!\)" > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he > will establish HIS kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity > is all about at all, and ?Bible > > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > > against effective birth control for > starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before > the storm which may or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and > teaches a distorted view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 09:55:57 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:55:57 +0000 Subject: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale In-Reply-To: References: <634754.26481.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4881fb6c0903311527p63365fbw3c2e930d6f96a659@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: in defence of marc the forum tickets were 30 quid [ well the one's left aftrr i found out about the gig ...standing room only ] From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:52:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Do you really think that the tickets would be any cheaper on a proper tour? How much were the tickets for the Forum? I dont remember them being that much, in fact i gave one away, more fool me perhaps. As for getting home, Embankment and Charing X tube are just round the corner, not to mention Charing X mainline. I've always got home to Sarf Lundon from gigs deep in Bandit country (Norf Lundon) without too much expense, a plethora of night buses does the trick. Trafalgar Square, again, 2 mins walk from Heaven will get peeps back to the dark side! Jelsea it's because i'm a Lunduner! P.S. Is Mick (Dirty Leeds) Head coming? From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:59:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Do you really think that the tickets would be any cheaper on a proper tour? Proper tours also generally include wednesdays as well . Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:27:18 +0100 From: tabazan at gmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale ?22.50 a ticket? On a Wednesday night? Who are they kidding?? Looks like I won't be making this one (there is no way I could get home without forking out another fortune on a cab!) Bring on a proper tour . . . . Marc. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:20 PM, sade1 wrote: > concerning early (possibly gay'ish?) antics.... A big 'MyBad' on that, it should've read, ".. (possibly gay'ish?) Killing Joke antics...." ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: sade1 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:50:55 PM Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale I am still waiting for Madame M's. reply concerning early (possibly gay'ish?) antics.... ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: Alexander Smith To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:12:28 AM Subject: Re: [kj] FW: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Wow, cheers for this, Milinda. This belongs in a frame!!! Alex in NYC On Mar 31, 2009, at 10:54 AM, melinda grant wrote: thought this may be of interest to you all ;) milindafgrant ps check below,hope it comes out Subject: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:40:14 -0700 To: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com From: noreply at kentishtownforum.com Killing Joke are delighted to be back for the summer with festival performances across Europe... Starting with an intimate summer warm up show at Heaven... 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"Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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The only thing that Communism (or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case we can also use the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is futile) has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. (Timewave speed baby!) At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick All religions make me want to throw up They claim that they have the answers When they don't even know the questions They're just a bunch of liars THey just want your money THey just want your consciousness" > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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I made peace with MY God some time ago, i dont preach nor do i threaten the Apocalypse to those that don't think the same way i do. If you want to preach the word of Jesus, jefuckinhoover or whatever else, do it in the appropiate place mate. Jeresy From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:04:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 10:20:34 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 10:26:18 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 10:29:13 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <0KHF000PRD113F50@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0KHF00CHYEWU8070@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> The crusades don't come even close in numbers to the amount of deaths caused by Communism in such a short span of time. One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! BTW, what kind of preacher? You constantly say that "Your Party" is different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument is futile. How many sub-sects are there of Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? Your party, in every current and recent large nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, famine, discrimination and destruction. If you want to have an exception between "Good Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). [And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >How long were the Crusades? >BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from >anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c >you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of >religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >Sounds just like Communism to me! > >The only thing that Communism >(or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation >of communism" in which case we can also use >the statement of "wrong implementation of >religion" so to argue this is futile) >has done better (so far) than religion is to >have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. >(Timewave speed baby!) > > >At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Great anti-religion songs: >PiL: Religion >XTC: Dear God >Lennon: Imagine >Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick > >All religions make me want to throw up > >They claim that they have the answers > >When they don't even know the questions > They're just a bunch of liars > THey just want your money > >THey just want your consciousness" > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > > From: joker at Z6.com > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make > the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving > narrow minded individuals who are unable to > confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he > was a preacher, obviously a highly effective > one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > > > What concerns me is how his words have been > read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap > from the dealings I have had with you off list, > but I am alarmed that you might take a simple > issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His > teachings are about forgiveness, understanding > and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with > hookers! I doubt very much if he would have > been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his > word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a > collection of stories that were put together by > people after the fact putting their spin on it. > The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! > I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like > all the other religions I have come across is a > blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, > downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > > > I've an open mind about God. He might or > might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But > I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty > pissed off with all the people running round > the world doing things in his/her name! > > > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the > population of the Earth is not the act of an > omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told > that God gave us free will and that we should > use it and that would determine our fate. What > you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do > it your way but when it's not going how I like, > I'll take me ball home". These sorts of > contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > > > I will say that the CHristians have given us > some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > > > From: "Brendan" > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke > \(the band!\)" > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he > will establish HIS kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity > is all about at all, and ?Bible > > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > > against effective birth control for > starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before > the storm which may or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and > teaches a distorted view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From louiecipher33 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 10:30:47 2009 From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com (Simon Abinett) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: The bible teaches nothing except bullshit. The fact that it is contradicting is not over used, it is fact that it has been edited and re interpreted time after time to suit those in power. Nobody is free from sin, if we were we would not exist. The only god is your own soul and consience. If you really believe these religous ramblings then your either a loony or have a sad life and need some other form of system to cling to. The relevance to Killing Joke playing @ gay nightclub Heaven has now dissapeard i think. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From gregslawson at msn.com Wed Apr 1 10:44:07 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 10:45:18 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:45:18 +0000 Subject: [kj] FW: Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: all those things you say about jesus are true but remember he did warn that jehovah is not to be mocked and did say that lovers of money , men who lie with men ,adulterers will not be allowed to live in jehovah's new kindom on earth ,and also why he condemned the pharisees for ''tickleing the ears of the congregation'' in other words only telling them what they want to hear whilst also being hypocrites..in fact pretty much what happens nowadays ...that's why the bible says let all men be liars but jehovah's word is true as HE cannot lie and yes HE says HIMSELF ''I AM A JEALOUS GOD ''..wouldn't you be if you created something and it went off and did it's own thing destoying other creations alomg the way From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:52:35 +0100 Subject: [kj] FW: Official Site From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: joker at z6.com Subject: RE: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:51:01 +0100 Gotta say Rob, top post, says it all for me mate. Ta. Jel > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:45:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Official Site all those things you say about jesus are true but remember he did warn that jehovah is not to be mocked and did say that lovers of money , men who lie with men ,adulterers will not be allowed to live in jehovah's new kindom on earth ,and also why he condemned the pharisees for ''tickleing the ears of the congregation'' in other words only telling them what they want to hear whilst also being hypocrites..in fact pretty much what happens nowadays ...that's why the bible says let all men be liars but jehovah's word is true as HE cannot lie and yes HE says HIMSELF ''I AM A JEALOUS GOD ''..wouldn't you be if you created something and it went off and did it's own thing destoying other creations alomg the way From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:52:35 +0100 Subject: [kj] FW: Official Site From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: joker at z6.com Subject: RE: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:51:01 +0100 Gotta say Rob, top post, says it all for me mate. Ta. Jel > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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It's really a bad tactic to accuse someone of not being able to discern something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists think and argue like you, well..... Re: Your issue with confession, So when a druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes to rehab again, falls back down... ad infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. (Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've >heard some good things about the dude Jesus, >like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. >(I've also heard about a book that postulates >that he was a combination of several real people >rather than just 1, but that may not be the main >issue). One thing that always confused me about >Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite >different--yes, I can distinguish differences, >unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to >confess sins each week and then go out and >commit the same ones again--I think that is one >thing that has turned off many (former) >Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >i have come to the conclusion that it is >impossible to have an intelligent and informed >debate on here because users choose to just pick >parts of a conversation to use for misquoting >and misinformation to further thier own selfish >agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination > > >---------- >From: vassifer at earthlink.net >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > >I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other >people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent >Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of >Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) > >Alex in NYC > > > >On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: > >none of us will get back what is in this world >as it is going to be destroyed to make way for >jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around >like a demented child king long enough'' > >You can leave me out of this, i much prefer >stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. > >"Too much need to believe-Madness" > >Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! > >Now prepare for the rain of fire! > >Jelly > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that >it shows you have not studied the bible or you >would know what i mean about bible wisdom even >down to the wisdom about doing things in >moderation whethrer it be eating or >exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and >then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with >nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric >that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible >teaching as none of us will get back what is in >this world as it is going to be destroyed to >make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has >stumbled around like a demented child king long >enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i >believe i have a good command of the english >language i either have forgotten or in fact >don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom >is definitly NOT what christianity is all about >but in fact man's own perverted version of it >just as jesus said would happen when he left but >jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given >mankind time to turn back to him but know's >man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he >will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself > > >---------- >From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is >all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > >As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking >the centre of gravity out of the here and now >and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > >SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > >Recognise the quote? > > >PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than >homosexuality. The Pope is against effective >birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. >And the catholic church (amongst others) is >under assault from all the cases of priests? >kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an >organisation where it was more institutionalised. > > >---------- >From: >gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] >On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence >Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > >not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of >live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring > > >---------- >From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. >This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > >if you are genuinely talking about the weather >..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of >year is a lull before the storm which may or may >not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer >like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize > > >---------- >From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >S'ok sweet pea. >We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > >thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > >---------- >From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >I can roll with that SL. >Fools that fuck only for fun. > > >what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid >statements like that that enforces stereotyping >of women and men and teaches a distorted view of >sex which is not just for recreation but the >procreation of life ..it makes both men and >women feel inadequate and enforces false body >image in other words porn perverts the act of >making love and destoys relationships > > > >---------- >Windows Live Hotmail just got better. >Find out more! > >---------- > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! > >---------- > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: >270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 > > > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! > >---------- >Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? >Free. >Try >it Now! _______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! > >---------- >Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your >iPhone or BlackBerry >Check >it out. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 10:55:20 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:55:20 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <0KHF00CHYEWU8070@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <0KHF000PRD113F50@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00CHYEWU8070@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: exo let them be THEY don't want to have an informed and intelligent debate about christianity because they either are misinformed [ haven't studied the bible ] or have a personal axe to grind Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The crusades don't come even close in numbers to the amount of deaths caused by Communism in such a short span of time. One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! BTW, what kind of preacher? You constantly say that "Your Party" is different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument is futile. How many sub-sects are there of Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? Your party, in every current and recent large nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, famine, discrimination and destruction. If you want to have an exception between "Good Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). [And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: How long were the Crusades? BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Sounds just like Communism to me! The only thing that Communism (or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case we can also use the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is futile) has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. (Timewave speed baby!) At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick All religions make me want to throw up They claim that they have the answers When they don't even know the questions They're just a bunch of liars THey just want your money THey just want your consciousness" > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From gregslawson at msn.com Wed Apr 1 10:58:09 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:58:09 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: SOme of the problems I have w/religion: Although it may offer some good advice on how to live our lives, it 1. Doesn't update it's teachings (it's the holy book and nothing else) 2. tends to interpret the holy book in question in a mechanical way (fundamentalists) 3. is deterministic (god will decide everything, so don't try to change the way things are) From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance I'm known for it. there is no escape from jehovah's wrath Send him round. since jesus came to show us how to live Oh Pleeeeeze. Sandals dont fit well with me. plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah I defy your false deity, me and him, mano et mano. I made peace with MY God some time ago, i dont preach nor do i threaten the Apocalypse to those that don't think the same way i do. If you want to preach the word of Jesus, jefuckinhoover or whatever else, do it in the appropiate place mate. Jeresy From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:04:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 10:58:53 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:58:53 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: on what grounds do you make such statements ..have you really studied ..did you know mankinds ages is in there ..and what about the archeological evidence ? From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible teaches nothing except bullshit. The fact that it is contradicting is not over used, it is fact that it has been edited and re interpreted time after time to suit those in power. Nobody is free from sin, if we were we would not exist. The only god is your own soul and consience. If you really believe these religous ramblings then your either a loony or have a sad life and need some other form of system to cling to. The relevance to Killing Joke playing @ gay nightclub Heaven has now dissapeard i think. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > > 13:05:00 > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0KHF0014GGA3YC90@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Is it you or is it me.... lalalalalala At 10:56 AM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: > > I'm Pete West! > > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 11:00:15 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:00:15 +0100 Subject: [kj] FW: Official Site In-Reply-To: <0KHF00JOFG7WYZ90@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <0KHF00JOFG7WYZ90@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: This is NOT a RATM LIST! Nor Pitchshifter, who i also quoted, but it seems to have gone way off KJ bruv. Jelly sorry Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:57:28 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Official Site This is NOT a RATM LIST! How dare you!!!! At 10:50 AM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: Fuck you, i won't do what you tell me! Jelbellious by divine right! _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elana_mojica at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 11:01:37 2009 From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com (Elana Mojica) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <615737.5945.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> NO! I'm Pete West! ________________________________ From: jerry bodkin To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! ________________________________ Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke1 at live.co.uk Wed Apr 1 11:02:08 2009 From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:02:08 +0000 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Has any one seen Stephen Lawrence in person ? Until someone of reputable reputation can confirm that he is real, then I shall reserve judgment . From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:56:44 +0100 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From louiecipher33 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 11:03:33 2009 From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com (Simon Abinett) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:03:33 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: archeological evidence ? WTF! How can archeology prove the teachings of the bible? Archeology proves when and where man existed not wether some guy told everyone to not sin or they would be forever in damnation. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:58:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site on what grounds do you make such statements ..have you really studied ..did you know mankinds ages is in there ..and what about the archeological evidence ? From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible teaches nothing except bullshit. The fact that it is contradicting is not over used, it is fact that it has been edited and re interpreted time after time to suit those in power. Nobody is free from sin, if we were we would not exist. The only god is your own soul and consience. If you really believe these religous ramblings then your either a loony or have a sad life and need some other form of system to cling to. The relevance to Killing Joke playing @ gay nightclub Heaven has now dissapeard i think. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 11:06:46 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:06:46 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <0KHF000PRD113F50@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00CHYEWU8070@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0KHF0021QGNE3S90@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> While I can't comment much on the intricacies of Christianity and am no fan of any religion/belief being proselyted. There is no way I can let it be criticized by someone who goes around proselyting an ideal which has done so much harm. If ppl. don't agree that is their decision, but please, don't bitch at someone else as if you're the one with all the right answers. (Yes Greg, I mean you.) Reminds me of "Pot, Meet Kettle" At 10:55 AM 4/1/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote: >exo let them be THEY don't want to have an >informed and intelligent debate about >christianity because they either are misinformed >[ haven't studied the bible ] or have a personal axe to grind > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >The crusades don't come even close in numbers to >the amount of deaths caused by Communism >in such a short span of time. > >One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! >BTW, what kind of preacher? > >You constantly say that "Your Party" is >different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument >is futile. How many sub-sects are there of >Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? > >Your party, in every current and recent large >nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, >famine, discrimination and destruction. > >If you want to have an exception between "Good >Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism >run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply >exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). >[And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] > >At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >How long were the Crusades? >BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from >anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c >you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of >religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >Sounds just like Communism to me! > >The only thing that Communism >(or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation >of communism" in which case we can also use >the statement of "wrong implementation of >religion" so to argue this is futile) >has done better (so far) than religion is to >have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. >(Timewave speed baby!) > > >At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Great anti-religion songs: >PiL: Religion >XTC: Dear God >Lennon: Imagine >Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick > >All religions make me want to throw up > >They claim that they have the answers > >When they don't even know the questions > They're just a bunch of liars > THey just want your money > >THey just want your consciousness" > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > > From: joker at Z6.com > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make > the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving > narrow minded individuals who are unable to > confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he > was a preacher, obviously a highly effective > one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > > > What concerns me is how his words have been > read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap > from the dealings I have had with you off list, > but I am alarmed that you might take a simple > issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His > teachings are about forgiveness, understanding > and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with > hookers! I doubt very much if he would have > been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his > word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a > collection of stories that were put together by > people after the fact putting their spin on it. > The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! > I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like > all the other religions I have come across is a > blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, > downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > > > I've an open mind about God. He might or > might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But > I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty > pissed off with all the people running round > the world doing things in his/her name! > > > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the > population of the Earth is not the act of an > omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told > that God gave us free will and that we should > use it and that would determine our fate. What > you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do > it your way but when it's not going how I like, > I'll take me ball home". These sorts of > contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > > > I will say that the CHristians have given us > some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > > > From: "Brendan" > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke > \(the band!\)" > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in > moderation whethrer it be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book > proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going > to be destroyed to make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote > ?...although i believe i have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he > will establish HIS kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity > is all about at all, and ?Bible > > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about > taking the centre of gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > > against effective birth control for > starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ > mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the > weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before > the storm which may or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer > like last year with a pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and > teaches a distorted view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and > enforces false body image in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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Archeology proves when and where man existed not wether some guy told everyone to not sin or they would be forever in damnation. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:58:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site on what grounds do you make such statements ..have you really studied ..did you know mankinds ages is in there ..and what about the archeological evidence ? From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible teaches nothing except bullshit. The fact that it is contradicting is not over used, it is fact that it has been edited and re interpreted time after time to suit those in power. Nobody is free from sin, if we were we would not exist. The only god is your own soul and consience. If you really believe these religous ramblings then your either a loony or have a sad life and need some other form of system to cling to. The relevance to Killing Joke playing @ gay nightclub Heaven has now dissapeard i think. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 11:08:31 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:08:31 -0400 Subject: [kj] FW: Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <0KHF00JOFG7WYZ90@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0KHF00I5VGQB4LA0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> I'm not familiar with Pitchshifter. There is so much that I need to catch up on! NO friggin TIME!!!!! :( At 11:00 AM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: > This is NOT a RATM LIST! > > Nor Pitchshifter, who i also quoted, but it seems to have gone way > off KJ bruv. > > Jelly sorry > > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:57:28 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Official Site > >This is NOT a RATM LIST! >How dare you!!!! > >At 10:50 AM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: > >Fuck you, i won't do what you tell me! > >Jelbellious by divine right! > >---------- > > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm Pete West! > > >From: jerry bodkin >To: gathering at misera.net >Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM >Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > > > I'm Pete West! > > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregslawson at msn.com Wed Apr 1 11:11:32 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:11:32 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <0KHF00C2HG34BYA0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local> <32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> <053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo> <058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> <0KHF00C2HG34BYA0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: No, I think you still don't get the differences idea. Just like I distinguished b/w the JW's (according to what Stephen said) and the Catholic approach to confession, there are huge differneces in what people who call themselves Communists believe and want to do. Also, you're example of a druggie is a poor one--I was referring to people who go to confession and confess w/no intention of trying to change their behavior. Most people who voluntarily go to rehab at least have the intention of trying to quit... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:35 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Greg, seriously... You really must try and "THINK" (I know it might be a foreign concept to you) before you write something. I've already covered your "differences" answer in both Emails. It's really a bad tactic to accuse someone of not being able to discern something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists think and argue like you, well..... Re: Your issue with confession, So when a druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes to rehab again, falls back down... ad infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. (Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 11:12:33 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:33 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: nice one greg ..exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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Through no fault of your own or your parents or their parents, nothing anyone on your ancestry back past the dark ages (literally) in your ancestry has done.you're inherently bad. Because you're were born. Your wonderful body, consciousness, is tainted from the start. What a lovely way to start. You can imagine we're going to move in a lovely direction with this foundational belief. So now you must regularly visit someone you call Father who is in fact no closer to most of the parish than the local butcher, and confess your sins, lest you BURN IN HELL FOREVER. In a Hell designed by a g0d who loves you. *scratches head* Gimme a fucking break. That's foul. No baby is born evil, the sooner we jettison that kind of rotten thinking the sooner we can evolve. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 01:55 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Greg, seriously... You really must try and "THINK" (I know it might be a foreign concept to you) before you write something. I've already covered your "differences" answer in both Emails. It's really a bad tactic to accuse someone of not being able to discern something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists think and argue like you, well..... Re: Your issue with confession, So when a druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes to rehab again, falls back down... ad infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. (Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination _____ From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself _____ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible Wisdom' is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net ] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships _____ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. 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I'm Pete West! _____ Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joker at Z6.com Wed Apr 1 11:15:10 2009 From: joker at Z6.com (Rob's Arse) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:15:10 -0700 Subject: [kj] Official Site Message-ID: <20090401081510.5E4AED0D@resin15.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 11:16:18 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:16:18 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: ..exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas Why follow someone else's doctrine? Surely you know what is inherintly right, it's simple, you know the difference between right and wrong, you make your choices, you dont need a threat hanging over you to make a choice. Self determination, it's simple. Jel From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site nice one greg ..exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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That f'kin infected swan found washed up on the shores of UK was thrown overboard by a passing U.S. Warship. That Swan got taken for a ride.......and so did we .....well you did . I knew that it was scam at the time . Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 11:21:32 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:21:32 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: greg in all my posts where have i used the term religion which actually means continous practice of something ..i'm talking about true christianity exactly as jesus taught ...if someone is cold give them your coat ..if someone slaps you offer the other cheek ...be kind and compassionate to others ..give in secret just as jehovah blesses you in secret From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:58:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site SOme of the problems I have w/religion: Although it may offer some good advice on how to live our lives, it 1. Doesn't update it's teachings (it's the holy book and nothing else) 2. tends to interpret the holy book in question in a mechanical way (fundamentalists) 3. is deterministic (god will decide everything, so don't try to change the way things are) From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance I'm known for it. there is no escape from jehovah's wrath Send him round. since jesus came to show us how to live Oh Pleeeeeze. Sandals dont fit well with me. plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah I defy your false deity, me and him, mano et mano. I made peace with MY God some time ago, i dont preach nor do i threaten the Apocalypse to those that don't think the same way i do. If you want to preach the word of Jesus, jefuckinhoover or whatever else, do it in the appropiate place mate. Jeresy From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:04:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 11:21:56 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:21:56 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local> <32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> <053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo> <058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> <0KHF00C2HG34BYA0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0KHF00C3AHCP83B0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> You're implying that people who go to confession have no intention on changing. Have you been in their minds? Is this a de-facto? Are there differences between the people that go? Are they all one lump sum? At 11:11 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >No, I think you still don't get the differences >idea. Just like I distinguished b/w the JW's >(according to what Stephen said) and the >Catholic approach to confession, there are huge >differneces in what people who call themselves >Communists believe and want to do. Also, you're >example of a druggie is a poor one--I was >referring to people who go to confession and >confess w/no intention of trying to change their >behavior. Most people who voluntarily go to >rehab at least have the intention of trying to quit... > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:35 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >Greg, seriously... You really must try and >"THINK" (I know it might be a foreign concept to you) before >you write something. I've already covered your >"differences" answer in both Emails. It's really a bad tactic >to accuse someone of not being able to discern >something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists >think and argue like you, well..... > >Re: Your issue with confession, So when a >druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes >to rehab again, falls back down... ad >infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? > >Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish >me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. >(Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) > > > >At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've >heard some good things about the dude Jesus, >like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. >(I've also heard about a book that postulates >that he was a combination of several real people >rather than just 1, but that may not be the main >issue). One thing that always confused me about >Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite >different--yes, I can distinguish differences, >unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to >confess sins each week and then go out and >commit the same ones again--I think that is one >thing that has turned off many (former) >Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >i have come to the conclusion that it is >impossible to have an intelligent and informed >debate on here because users choose to just pick >parts of a conversation to use for misquoting >and misinformation to further thier own selfish >agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination > > >---------- >From: vassifer at earthlink.net >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > >I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other >people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent >Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of >Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) > >Alex in NYC > > > >On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: > >none of us will get back what is in this world >as it is going to be destroyed to make way for >jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around >like a demented child king long enough'' > >You can leave me out of this, i much prefer >stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. > >"Too much need to believe-Madness" > >Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! > >Now prepare for the rain of fire! > >Jelly > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that >it shows you have not studied the bible or you >would know what i mean about bible wisdom even >down to the wisdom about doing things in >moderation whethrer it be eating or >exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and >then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with >nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric >that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible >teaching as none of us will get back what is in >this world as it is going to be destroyed to >make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has >stumbled around like a demented child king long >enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i >believe i have a good command of the english >language i either have forgotten or in fact >don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom >is definitly NOT what christianity is all about >but in fact man's own perverted version of it >just as jesus said would happen when he left but >jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given >mankind time to turn back to him but know's >man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he >will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself > >---------- >From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is >all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > >As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking >the centre of gravity out of the here and now >and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > >SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > >Recognise the quote? > >PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than >homosexuality. The Pope is against effective >birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. >And the catholic church (amongst others) is >under assault from all the cases of priests? >kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an >organisation where it was more institutionalised. > > >---------- >From: >gathering-bounces at misera.net >[ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence >Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of >live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring > >---------- >From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. >This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > >if you are genuinely talking about the weather >..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of >year is a lull before the storm which may or may >not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer >like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize > >---------- >From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >S'ok sweet pea. >We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > >thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > >---------- >From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >I can roll with that SL. >Fools that fuck only for fun. > > >what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid >statements like that that enforces stereotyping >of women and men and teaches a distorted view of >sex which is not just for recreation but the >procreation of life ..it makes both men and >women feel inadequate and enforces false body >image in other words porn perverts the act of >making love and destoys relationships > >---------- >Windows Live Hotmail just got better. >Find out more! >---------- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! >---------- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: >270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 > > > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! >---------- >Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? >Free. >Try >it Now! _______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! > >---------- >Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your >iPhone or BlackBerry >Check >it out. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > >---------- >Quick access to your favorite MSN content and >Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. >Download >FREE now! >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wasn't all those birds sneezing without handkerchiefs going to be threat to mankind? What was the result of the whole bird flu epidemic? The Pharmacetical company that was behind the whole scare made $ Billions by selling the bird Flu vaccination to various countries. That f'kin infected swan found washed up on the shores of UK was thrown overboard by a passing U.S. Warship. That Swan got taken for a ride.......and so did we .....well you did . I knew that it was scam at the time . _____ Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 11:23:09 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:23:09 +0000 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: <0KHF0014GGA3YC90@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0KHF0014GGA3YC90@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: i wanna know the answer oooooo oooo Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:58:46 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? Is it you or is it me.... lalalalalala At 10:56 AM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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I'm Pete West! > > >From: jerry bodkin >To: gathering at misera.net >Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM >Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > > > I'm Pete West! > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: >03/31/09 13:05:00 > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke10 at live.com Wed Apr 1 11:24:23 2009 From: fluke10 at live.com (fluke fluke) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:24:23 -0700 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, I'll stick to the subject. I sometimes find it hard to concentrate. From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:02:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? Has any one seen Stephen Lawrence in person ? Until someone of reputable reputation can confirm that he is real, then I shall reserve judgment . From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:56:44 +0100 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jel From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:14:43 +0000 Subject: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... What happened to that epidemic? Wasn't there supposed to be Thousands of humans dead by now ? Mass communal graves on open wasteland reminiscent of the plague ? Wasn't all those birds sneezing without handkerchiefs going to be threat to mankind? What was the result of the whole bird flu epidemic? The Pharmacetical company that was behind the whole scare made $ Billions by selling the bird Flu vaccination to various countries. That f'kin infected swan found washed up on the shores of UK was thrown overboard by a passing U.S. Warship. That Swan got taken for a ride.......and so did we .....well you did . I knew that it was scam at the time . Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 11:26:02 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:26:02 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: yet again NOT a bible teaching From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:03:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site archeological evidence ? WTF! How can archeology prove the teachings of the bible? Archeology proves when and where man existed not wether some guy told everyone to not sin or they would be forever in damnation. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:58:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site on what grounds do you make such statements ..have you really studied ..did you know mankinds ages is in there ..and what about the archeological evidence ? From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible teaches nothing except bullshit. The fact that it is contradicting is not over used, it is fact that it has been edited and re interpreted time after time to suit those in power. Nobody is free from sin, if we were we would not exist. The only god is your own soul and consience. If you really believe these religous ramblings then your either a loony or have a sad life and need some other form of system to cling to. The relevance to Killing Joke playing @ gay nightclub Heaven has now dissapeard i think. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 11:24:54 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:24:54 +0000 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: you'll have to wait till saturday From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:02:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? Has any one seen Stephen Lawrence in person ? Until someone of reputable reputation can confirm that he is real, then I shall reserve judgment . From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:56:44 +0100 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 11:26:15 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:26:15 +1100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <0KHF00C3AHCP83B0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo><27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener><6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net><0KHF00C2HG34BYA0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00C3AHCP83B0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: Anyone who tells an addicted person that they are inherently bad, and will burn for eternity if they don't change their ways will be out of that position quick smart if the organisation they are working within is any good. Sorry, but I agree it was a bad analogy. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:22 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site You're implying that people who go to confession have no intention on changing. Have you been in their minds? Is this a de-facto? Are there differences between the people that go? Are they all one lump sum? At 11:11 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: No, I think you still don't get the differences idea. Just like I distinguished b/w the JW's (according to what Stephen said) and the Catholic approach to confession, there are huge differneces in what people who call themselves Communists believe and want to do. Also, you're example of a druggie is a poor one--I was referring to people who go to confession and confess w/no intention of trying to change their behavior. Most people who voluntarily go to rehab at least have the intention of trying to quit... _____ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:35 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Greg, seriously... You really must try and "THINK" (I know it might be a foreign concept to you) before you write something. I've already covered your "differences" answer in both Emails. It's really a bad tactic to accuse someone of not being able to discern something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists think and argue like you, well..... Re: Your issue with confession, So when a druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes to rehab again, falls back down... ad infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. (Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination _____ From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself _____ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible Wisdom' is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships _____ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. 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Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _________________________________________________________________ Beyond Hotmail ? see what else you can do with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665375/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 11:27:00 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:27:00 +1100 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: <0KHF000OFHF23SB0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <615737.5945.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com><48089D5CA96645ACB99727CF77DA3C16@Soundgardener> <0KHF000OFHF23SB0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0EE601E0D86344FD96E6D7EA502333EA@Soundgardener> No it's a reference to a show that those in the UK will know.Smith & Jones (or was it Hale and Pace?) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:23 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? Now you're just going OT:O/T! At 11:14 AM 4/1/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote: I'm Joanna Lumley. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net ] On Behalf Of Elana Mojica Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:02 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? NO! I'm Pete West! 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 11:29:13 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:29:13 +1100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: Religion doesn't mean continuous practise of something, you're aware of Google and www.dictionary.com and Wikipedia and all that are you? _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:22 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site greg in all my posts where have i used the term religion which actually means continous practice of something ..i'm talking about true christianity exactly as jesus taught ...if someone is cold give them your coat ..if someone slaps you offer the other cheek ...be kind and compassionate to others ..give in secret just as jehovah blesses you in secret _____ From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:58:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site SOme of the problems I have w/religion: Although it may offer some good advice on how to live our lives, it 1. Doesn't update it's teachings (it's the holy book and nothing else) 2. tends to interpret the holy book in question in a mechanical way (fundamentalists) 3. is deterministic (god will decide everything, so don't try to change the way things are) _____ From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance I'm known for it. there is no escape from jehovah's wrath Send him round. since jesus came to show us how to live Oh Pleeeeeze. Sandals dont fit well with me. plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah I defy your false deity, me and him, mano et mano. I made peace with MY God some time ago, i dont preach nor do i threaten the Apocalypse to those that don't think the same way i do. If you want to preach the word of Jesus, jefuckinhoover or whatever else, do it in the appropiate place mate. Jeresy _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:04:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah _____ From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself _____ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible Wisdom' is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships _____ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 11:29:22 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:29:22 +1100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo><27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas A true Christian is supposed to preach the faith and save fellow souls from damnation, so saying you don't condemn or promote sin.stop talking nonsense. Of course you do. Have the balls to stand up for what you believe and behind what you say. If you're going to condemn me / us for being sinners, take it on the chin when you get it back. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jerry bodkin Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:16 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ..exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas Why follow someone else's doctrine? Surely you know what is inherintly right, it's simple, you know the difference between right and wrong, you make your choices, you dont need a threat hanging over you to make a choice. Self determination, it's simple. Jel _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site nice one greg ..exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas _____ From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination _____ From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself _____ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible Wisdom' is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships _____ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. 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URL: From gregslawson at msn.com Wed Apr 1 11:30:10 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:30:10 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <0KHF0021QGNE3S90@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <0KHF000PRD113F50@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00CHYEWU8070@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF0021QGNE3S90@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: Pete or whoever, That's like saying that b/c Christianity has casued so much harm (war, sexism, homophobia, etc.) that someone who believes in Christian ideals like goodwill to men and faithfulness to their spouse is evil b/c of what other Christians have done. Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:06:46 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site While I can't comment much on the intricacies of Christianity and am no fan of any religion/belief being proselyted. There is no way I can let it be criticized by someone who goes around proselyting an ideal which has done so much harm. If ppl. don't agree that is their decision, but please, don't bitch at someone else as if you're the one with all the right answers. (Yes Greg, I mean you.) Reminds me of "Pot, Meet Kettle" At 10:55 AM 4/1/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote: exo let them be THEY don't want to have an informed and intelligent debate about christianity because they either are misinformed [ haven't studied the bible ] or have a personal axe to grind Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The crusades don't come even close in numbers to the amount of deaths caused by Communism in such a short span of time. One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! BTW, what kind of preacher? You constantly say that "Your Party" is different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument is futile. How many sub-sects are there of Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? Your party, in every current and recent large nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, famine, discrimination and destruction. If you want to have an exception between "Good Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). [And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: How long were the Crusades? BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Sounds just like Communism to me! The only thing that Communism (or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case we can also use the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is futile) has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. (Timewave speed baby!) At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick All religions make me want to throw up They claim that they have the answers When they don't even know the questions They're just a bunch of liars THey just want your money THey just want your consciousness" > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:13:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site (Un)holy Confession stems from the core Christian tenet of Original Sin ? and personifies one of the central pillars of Christianity, which is guilt. It translates to YOU ARE BORN EVIL. Through no fault of your own or your parents or their parents, nothing anyone on your ancestry back past the dark ages (literally) in your ancestry has done?you?re inherently bad. Because you?re were born. Your wonderful body, consciousness, is tainted from the start. What a lovely way to start. You can imagine we?re going to move in a lovely direction with this foundational belief. So now you must regularly visit someone you call Father who is in fact no closer to most of the parish than the local butcher, and confess your sins, lest you BURN IN HELL FOREVER. In a Hell designed by a g0d who loves you. *scratches head* Gimme a fucking break. That?s foul. No baby is born evil, the sooner we jettison that kind of rotten thinking the sooner we can evolve. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 01:55 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Greg, seriously... You really must try and "THINK" (I know it might be a foreign concept to you) before you write something. I've already covered your "differences" answer in both Emails. It's really a bad tactic to accuse someone of not being able to discern something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists think and argue like you, well..... Re: Your issue with confession, So when a druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes to rehab again, falls back down... ad infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. (Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folk.devil at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 11:30:57 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:30:57 -0700 Subject: [kj] Official Site - Xians In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo><27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have always liked this Gandhi quote: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:29:22 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas A true Christian is supposed to preach the faith and save fellow souls from damnation, so saying you don?t condemn or promote sin?stop talking nonsense. Of course you do. Have the balls to stand up for what you believe and behind what you say. If you?re going to condemn me / us for being sinners, take it on the chin when you get it back? From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jerry bodkin Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:16 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ..exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas Why follow someone else's doctrine? Surely you know what is inherintly right, it's simple, you know the difference between right and wrong, you make your choices, you dont need a threat hanging over you to make a choice. Self determination, it's simple. Jel From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site nice one greg ..exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 11:32:09 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:32:09 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local> <32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> <053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo> <058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> <0KHF00C2HG34BYA0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00C3AHCP83B0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0KHF00I9FHTQ1GA0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Dude... you are totallllllly missing the point. Look at Greg's issue re: confession "was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many" I'm responding to that point and that point only. This has to do with the concept of someone confessing their sins. Confession: Does it mean he/she won't repeat the sin? No. Does it mean they don't feel guilty about it? No Does that make them a hypocrite? No. Ain't no one perfect buddy. At 11:26 AM 4/1/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote: >Anyone who tells an addicted person that they >are inherently bad, and will burn for eternity >if they don?t change their ways will be out of >that position quick smart if the organisation >they are working within is any good. Sorry, but I agree it was a bad analogy. > > >---------- >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist >Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:22 >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >You're implying that people who go to confession >have no intention on changing. Have you been in their minds? >Is this a de-facto? Are there differences >between the people that go? Are they all one lump sum? > > > >At 11:11 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: > >No, I think you still don't get the differences >idea. Just like I distinguished b/w the JW's >(according to what Stephen said) and the >Catholic approach to confession, there are huge >differneces in what people who call themselves >Communists believe and want to do. Also, you're >example of a druggie is a poor one--I was >referring to people who go to confession and >confess w/no intention of trying to change their >behavior. Most people who voluntarily go to >rehab at least have the intention of trying to quit... > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:35 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >Greg, seriously... You really must try and >"THINK" (I know it might be a foreign concept to you) before >you write something. I've already covered your >"differences" answer in both Emails. It's really a bad tactic >to accuse someone of not being able to discern >something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists >think and argue like you, well..... > >Re: Your issue with confession, So when a >druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes >to rehab again, falls back down... ad >infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? > >Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish >me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. >(Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) > > > >At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've >heard some good things about the dude Jesus, >like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. >(I've also heard about a book that postulates >that he was a combination of several real people >rather than just 1, but that may not be the main >issue). One thing that always confused me about >Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite >different--yes, I can distinguish differences, >unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to >confess sins each week and then go out and >commit the same ones again--I think that is one >thing that has turned off many (former) >Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >i have come to the conclusion that it is >impossible to have an intelligent and informed >debate on here because users choose to just pick >parts of a conversation to use for misquoting >and misinformation to further thier own selfish >agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination > > >---------- >From: vassifer at earthlink.net >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > >I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other >people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent >Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of >Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) >Alex in NYC > > >On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: >none of us will get back what is in this world >as it is going to be destroyed to make way for >jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around >like a demented child king long enough'' > >You can leave me out of this, i much prefer >stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. > >"Too much need to believe-Madness" > >Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! > >Now prepare for the rain of fire! > >Jelly > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that >it shows you have not studied the bible or you >would know what i mean about bible wisdom even >down to the wisdom about doing things in >moderation whethrer it be eating or >exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and >then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with >nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric >that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible >teaching as none of us will get back what is in >this world as it is going to be destroyed to >make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has >stumbled around like a demented child king long >enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i >believe i have a good command of the english >language i either have forgotten or in fact >don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom >is definitly NOT what christianity is all about >but in fact man's own perverted version of it >just as jesus said would happen when he left but >jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given >mankind time to turn back to him but know's >man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he >will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself > > >---------- >From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is >all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > >As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking >the centre of gravity out of the here and now >and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > >SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > >Recognise the quote? > >PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than >homosexuality. The Pope is against effective >birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. >And the catholic church (amongst others) is >under assault from all the cases of priests? >kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an >organisation where it was more institutionalised. > >---------- >From: >gathering-bounces at misera.net >[ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence >Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of >live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring > > >---------- >From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. >This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > >if you are genuinely talking about the weather >..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of >year is a lull before the storm which may or may >not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer >like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize > > >---------- >From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >S'ok sweet pea. >We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > >thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > >---------- >From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >I can roll with that SL. >Fools that fuck only for fun. > >what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid >statements like that that enforces stereotyping >of women and men and teaches a distorted view of >sex which is not just for recreation but the >procreation of life ..it makes both men and >women feel inadequate and enforces false body >image in other words porn perverts the act of >making love and destoys relationships > > >---------- >Windows Live Hotmail just got better. >Find out more! > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! > >---------- >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: >270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 > > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! > >---------- >Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? >Free. >Try >it Now! _______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > >---------- >Windows Live Messenger just got better. >Find out more! > >---------- >Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your >iPhone or BlackBerry >Check >it out. >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > >---------- >Quick access to your favorite MSN content and >Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. >Download >FREE now! >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: >270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 > >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do you know what colour the Emperor's new belt was.? _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:30 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site brenden do you actually know WHAT the original sin was? _____ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:13:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site (Un)holy Confession stems from the core Christian tenet of Original Sin - and personifies one of the central pillars of Christianity, which is guilt. It translates to YOU ARE BORN EVIL. Through no fault of your own or your parents or their parents, nothing anyone on your ancestry back past the dark ages (literally) in your ancestry has done.you're inherently bad. Because you're were born. Your wonderful body, consciousness, is tainted from the start. What a lovely way to start. You can imagine we're going to move in a lovely direction with this foundational belief. So now you must regularly visit someone you call Father who is in fact no closer to most of the parish than the local butcher, and confess your sins, lest you BURN IN HELL FOREVER. In a Hell designed by a g0d who loves you. *scratches head* Gimme a fucking break. That's foul. No baby is born evil, the sooner we jettison that kind of rotten thinking the sooner we can evolve. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 01:55 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Greg, seriously... You really must try and "THINK" (I know it might be a foreign concept to you) before you write something. I've already covered your "differences" answer in both Emails. It's really a bad tactic to accuse someone of not being able to discern something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists think and argue like you, well..... Re: Your issue with confession, So when a druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes to rehab again, falls back down... ad infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. (Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination _____ From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself _____ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible Wisdom' is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net ] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. 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Until someone of reputable reputation can confirm that he is real, then I shall reserve judgment . _____ From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:56:44 +0100 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! _____ Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _____ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos - Free. Try it Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke1 at live.co.uk Wed Apr 1 11:33:48 2009 From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:33:48 +0000 Subject: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... In-Reply-To: <74E4D993656140ADA62B4697F6A4B152@Soundgardener> References: <74E4D993656140ADA62B4697F6A4B152@Soundgardener> Message-ID: Bird Flu isnt H.I.V though . Two different diseases that should be acted upon in their own right From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:22:57 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... If we hadn?t taken precautions about AIDS there wouldn?t be much of a human population left though innit? From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jerry bodkin Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:17 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... Wer'nt we told this about Aids too? Jel From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:14:43 +0000 Subject: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... What happened to that epidemic? Wasn't there supposed to be Thousands of humans dead by now ? Mass communal graves on open wasteland reminiscent of the plague ? Wasn't all those birds sneezing without handkerchiefs going to be threat to mankind? What was the result of the whole bird flu epidemic? The Pharmacetical company that was behind the whole scare made $ Billions by selling the bird Flu vaccination to various countries. That f'kin infected swan found washed up on the shores of UK was thrown overboard by a passing U.S. Warship. That Swan got taken for a ride.......and so did we .....well you did . I knew that it was scam at the time . Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 11:34:00 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:34:00 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site - Xians In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo><27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: have always liked this Gandhi quote: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I like this, such pious bastards, like reformed smokers. Hits it right on the nail. Jel From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:30:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site - Xians I have always liked this Gandhi quote: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:29:22 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas A true Christian is supposed to preach the faith and save fellow souls from damnation, so saying you don?t condemn or promote sin?stop talking nonsense. Of course you do. Have the balls to stand up for what you believe and behind what you say. If you?re going to condemn me / us for being sinners, take it on the chin when you get it back? From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jerry bodkin Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:16 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ..exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas Why follow someone else's doctrine? Surely you know what is inherintly right, it's simple, you know the difference between right and wrong, you make your choices, you dont need a threat hanging over you to make a choice. Self determination, it's simple. Jel From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site nice one greg ..exactly what i am trying to get across i neither condemn or promote sin as i try to live according to jehovah's wishes although i know i have weeknesses in certain areas From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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If we hadn't taken precautions about AIDS there wouldn't be much of a human population left though innit? _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jerry bodkin Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:17 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... Wer'nt we told this about Aids too? Jel _____ From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:14:43 +0000 Subject: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... What happened to that epidemic? Wasn't there supposed to be Thousands of humans dead by now ? Mass communal graves on open wasteland reminiscent of the plague ? Wasn't all those birds sneezing without handkerchiefs going to be threat to mankind? What was the result of the whole bird flu epidemic? The Pharmacetical company that was behind the whole scare made $ Billions by selling the bird Flu vaccination to various countries. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke1 at live.co.uk Wed Apr 1 11:39:30 2009 From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:39:30 +0000 Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? In-Reply-To: References: <0KHF00CLQHZF7XC0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: Its probably that cnut Pete West , thats the type of thing that he'd do . From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:37:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Aye From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:37:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? yes. Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:35:34 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Anyone else getting this? Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _________________________________________________________________ Beyond Hotmail ? see what else you can do with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665375/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flumedc at aol.com Wed Apr 1 11:40:00 2009 From: flumedc at aol.com (flumedc at aol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: [kj] Heaven - it's on In-Reply-To: References: <0KHF00CLQHZF7XC0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <8CB80F7409EFD0A-1530-847@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> There was?a question about whether tix for the Heaven show on May 6 were showing up when ordered.? I have mine - took only a few minutes for the series of emails to arrive and then have the pdf of the tix themselves in hand.? I'm still staggered by the divine intervention of having booked a trip to London not knowing that at the exact same time?Killing Joke just so happens to be playing in town.? I won't question it further! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke10 at live.com Wed Apr 1 11:41:02 2009 From: fluke10 at live.com (fluke fluke) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:41:02 -0700 Subject: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... In-Reply-To: References: <74E4D993656140ADA62B4697F6A4B152@Soundgardener> Message-ID: Yes sorry. I'll think before I post next time. From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:38:36 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... I didn?t make the comparison. Both are viruses however, which have a mechanism of transmission that can be partially or wholly stymied. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluke fluke Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:34 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... Bird Flu isnt H.I.V though . Two different diseases that should be acted upon in their own right _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke1 at live.co.uk Wed Apr 1 11:42:47 2009 From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:42:47 +0000 Subject: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... In-Reply-To: References: <74E4D993656140ADA62B4697F6A4B152@Soundgardener> Message-ID: If you keep impersonating me, then I'll report you . From: fluke10 at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:41:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... Yes sorry. I'll think before I post next time. From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:38:36 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... I didn?t make the comparison. Both are viruses however, which have a mechanism of transmission that can be partially or wholly stymied. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluke fluke Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:34 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... Bird Flu isnt H.I.V though . Two different diseases that should be acted upon in their own right Rediscover Hotmail?: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joker at Z6.com Wed Apr 1 11:42:47 2009 From: joker at Z6.com (Rob's Arse) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:42:47 -0700 Subject: [kj] Official Site Message-ID: <20090401084247.5E4AE605@resin15.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 11:43:18 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:43:18 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <0KHF000PRD113F50@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00CHYEWU8070@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF0021QGNE3S90@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0KHF00JHAICBYQC0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> I'm not promoting Christianity (or anything else). Nor am I saying one thing is greater than the other in this Email thread. You quoted lyrics as an expounding on your views of religion "Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick All religions make me want to throw up They claim that they have the answers When they don't even know the questions They're just a bunch of liars THey just want your money THey just want your consciousness" I simply responded that your beliefs are not any better. They are all subject to the same scrutiny, fallacies, greatness, evil-ness (I made that word up). At 11:30 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Pete or whoever, >That's like saying that b/c Christianity has >casued so much harm (war, sexism, homophobia, >etc.) that someone who believes in Christian >ideals like goodwill to men and faithfulness to >their spouse is evil b/c of what other Christians have done. > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:06:46 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >While I can't comment much on the intricacies of >Christianity and am no fan of any religion/belief being proselyted. > >There is no way I can let it be criticized by >someone who goes around proselyting an ideal >which has done so much harm. If ppl. don't agree >that is their decision, but please, don't bitch >at someone else as if you're the one with all >the right answers. (Yes Greg, I mean you.) > >Reminds me of "Pot, Meet Kettle" > >At 10:55 AM 4/1/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote: >exo let them be THEY don't want to have an >informed and intelligent debate about >christianity because they either are misinformed >[ haven't studied the bible ] or have a personal axe to grind > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >The crusades don't come even close in numbers to >the amount of deaths caused by Communism >in such a short span of time. > >One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! >BTW, what kind of preacher? > >You constantly say that "Your Party" is >different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument >is futile. How many sub-sects are there of >Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? > >Your party, in every current and recent large >nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, >famine, discrimination and destruction. > >If you want to have an exception between "Good >Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism >run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply >exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). >[And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] > >At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >How long were the Crusades? >BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from >anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c >you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of >religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site >Sounds just like Communism to me! >The only thing that Communism >(or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation >of communism" in which case we can also use >the statement of "wrong implementation of >religion" so to argue this is futile) >has done better (so far) than religion is to >have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. >(Timewave speed baby!) > >At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Great anti-religion songs: >PiL: Religion >XTC: Dear God >Lennon: Imagine >Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick > >All religions make me want to throw up > >They claim that they have the answers > >When they don't even know the questions > They're just a bunch of liars > THey just want your money > >THey just want your consciousness" > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > > From: joker at Z6.com > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make > the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving > narrow minded individuals who are unable to > confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he > was a preacher, obviously a highly effective > one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > > > What concerns me is how his words have been > read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap > from the dealings I have had with you off list, > but I am alarmed that you might take a simple > issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His > teachings are about forgiveness, understanding > and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with > hookers! I doubt very much if he would have > been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his > word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a > collection of stories that were put together by > people after the fact putting their spin on it. > The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! > I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like > all the other religions I have come across is a > blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, > downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > > > I've an open mind about God. He might or > might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But > I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty > pissed off with all the people running round > the world doing things in his/her name! > > > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the > population of the Earth is not the act of an > omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told > that God gave us free will and that we should > use it and that would determine our fate. What > you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do > it your way but when it's not going how I like, > I'll take me ball home". These sorts of > contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > > > I will say that the CHristians have given us > some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > > > From: "Brendan" > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke > \(the band!\)" > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in > moderation whethrer it be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book > proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going > to be destroyed to make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote > ?...although i believe i have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he > will establish HIS kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity > is all about at all, and ?Bible > > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about > taking the centre of gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > > against effective birth control for > starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ > mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the > weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before > the storm which may or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer > like last year with a pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and > teaches a distorted view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and > enforces false body image in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 11:21:32 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:21:32 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: greg in all my posts where have i used the term religion which actually means continous practice of something ..i'm talking about true christianity exactly as jesus taught ...if someone is cold give them your coat ..if someone slaps you offer the other cheek ...be kind and compassionate to others ..give in secret just as jehovah blesses you in secret From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:58:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site SOme of the problems I have w/religion: Although it may offer some good advice on how to live our lives, it 1. Doesn't update it's teachings (it's the holy book and nothing else) 2. tends to interpret the holy book in question in a mechanical way (fundamentalists) 3. is deterministic (god will decide everything, so don't try to change the way things are) From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance I'm known for it. there is no escape from jehovah's wrath Send him round. since jesus came to show us how to live Oh Pleeeeeze. Sandals dont fit well with me. plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah I defy your false deity, me and him, mano et mano. I made peace with MY God some time ago, i dont preach nor do i threaten the Apocalypse to those that don't think the same way i do. If you want to preach the word of Jesus, jefuckinhoover or whatever else, do it in the appropiate place mate. Jeresy From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:04:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:13:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site (Un)holy Confession stems from the core Christian tenet of Original Sin ? and personifies one of the central pillars of Christianity, which is guilt. It translates to YOU ARE BORN EVIL. Through no fault of your own or your parents or their parents, nothing anyone on your ancestry back past the dark ages (literally) in your ancestry has done?you?re inherently bad. Because you?re were born. Your wonderful body, consciousness, is tainted from the start. What a lovely way to start. You can imagine we?re going to move in a lovely direction with this foundational belief. So now you must regularly visit someone you call Father who is in fact no closer to most of the parish than the local butcher, and confess your sins, lest you BURN IN HELL FOREVER. In a Hell designed by a g0d who loves you. *scratches head* Gimme a fucking break. That?s foul. No baby is born evil, the sooner we jettison that kind of rotten thinking the sooner we can evolve. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 01:55 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Greg, seriously... You really must try and "THINK" (I know it might be a foreign concept to you) before you write something. I've already covered your "differences" answer in both Emails. It's really a bad tactic to accuse someone of not being able to discern something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists think and argue like you, well..... Re: Your issue with confession, So when a druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes to rehab again, falls back down... ad infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. (Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 11:49:10 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:49:10 +1100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <0KHF00I9FHTQ1GA0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo><27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener><6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net><0KHF00C2HG34BYA0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><0KHF00C3AHCP83B0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00I9FHTQ1GA0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <45ADEA4287D04E139D1BF0094AC50D7D@Soundgardener> Does it mean they don't feel guilty about it? No That's my whole problem, the issue of guilt. The submission to the greater power of god and the repulsive edifice of the Catholic church. Fair enough to own up and take responsibility for what you've done and commit to improving. Weird to do it to a guy in a dress who you call Father, who's probably never had sex with anyone (so is more pure than thou), and represents an organisation that sets itself up as the sole arbiter of truth despite all evidence to the contrary, who covers up / pays off / denies its adepts' interference with young boys, who perpetuates the spread of AIDS, who has no ability to deal with the temptations of addiction other than via JUST SAY NO nonsense. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:32 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Dude... you are totallllllly missing the point. Look at Greg's issue re: confession "was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many" I'm responding to that point and that point only. This has to do with the concept of someone confessing their sins. Confession: Does it mean he/she won't repeat the sin? No. Does it mean they don't feel guilty about it? No Does that make them a hypocrite? No. Ain't no one perfect buddy. At 11:26 AM 4/1/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote: Anyone who tells an addicted person that they are inherently bad, and will burn for eternity if they don't change their ways will be out of that position quick smart if the organisation they are working within is any good. Sorry, but I agree it was a bad analogy. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net ] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:22 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site You're implying that people who go to confession have no intention on changing. Have you been in their minds? Is this a de-facto? Are there differences between the people that go? Are they all one lump sum? At 11:11 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: No, I think you still don't get the differences idea. Just like I distinguished b/w the JW's (according to what Stephen said) and the Catholic approach to confession, there are huge differneces in what people who call themselves Communists believe and want to do. Also, you're example of a druggie is a poor one--I was referring to people who go to confession and confess w/no intention of trying to change their behavior. Most people who voluntarily go to rehab at least have the intention of trying to quit... _____ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:35 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Greg, seriously... You really must try and "THINK" (I know it might be a foreign concept to you) before you write something. I've already covered your "differences" answer in both Emails. It's really a bad tactic to accuse someone of not being able to discern something when they state it quite clearly. If all communists think and argue like you, well..... Re: Your issue with confession, So when a druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab and tries to do better, falls back down, goes to rehab again, falls back down... ad infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop going to rehab"? Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish me to be Peter West, well I guess anything is possible. (Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!) At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former) Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue! _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination _____ From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself _____ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible Wisdom' is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. 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Jelly amused From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:48:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? am getting multiple mails, too! :( From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:37:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? yes. Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:35:34 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Anyone else getting this? Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 11:50:52 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:50:52 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <20090401084247.5E4AE605@resin15.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090401084247.5E4AE605@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <0KHF000G5IOX48C0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Agreed, plenty of bloodshed, Inquisition as well. I'm not saying they're a bunch of angels. I'm just saying the Communists have done their fair share of death and mayhem. And they came around to it plenty fast. :) Ps, I take it you probably avoid using "Head & Shoulders" shampoo :) At 11:42 AM 4/1/2009, Rob's Arse wrote: >mmmmmmmmmmmmmm > >I'd say that, on balance, the crusades and the >current crusades in the middle east have been >responsible for a fair bit of bloodshed. > >And do not forget that the Catholic Church >signed a concordat with Hitler and sat by and >witnessed the holocaust without condemation. Old >Stalin was a bit a a butcher but the Christians >are comin' and they don't mind taking the odd scalp here and there! > > > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >The crusades don't come even close in numbers to >the amount of deaths caused by Communism >in such a short span of time. > >One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! >BTW, what kind of preacher? > >You constantly say that "Your Party" is >different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument >is futile. How many sub-sects are there of >Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? > >Your party, in every current and recent large >nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, >famine, discrimination and destruction. > >If you want to have an exception between "Good >Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism >run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply >exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). >[And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] > >At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >How long were the Crusades? >BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from >anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c >you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of >religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >Sounds just like Communism to me! > >The only thing that Communism >(or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation >of communism" in which case we can also use >the statement of "wrong implementation of >religion" so to argue this is futile) >has done better (so far) than religion is to >have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. >(Timewave speed baby!) > > >At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Great anti-religion songs: >PiL: Religion >XTC: Dear God >Lennon: Imagine >Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick > >All religions make me want to throw up > >They claim that they have the answers > >When they don't even know the questions > They're just a bunch of liars > THey just want your money > >THey just want your consciousness" > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > > From: joker at Z6.com > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make > the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving > narrow minded individuals who are unable to > confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he > was a preacher, obviously a highly effective > one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > > > What concerns me is how his words have been > read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap > from the dealings I have had with you off list, > but I am alarmed that you might take a simple > issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His > teachings are about forgiveness, understanding > and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with > hookers! I doubt very much if he would have > been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his > word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a > collection of stories that were put together by > people after the fact putting their spin on it. > The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! > I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like > all the other religions I have come across is a > blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, > downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > > > I've an open mind about God. He might or > might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But > I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty > pissed off with all the people running round > the world doing things in his/her name! > > > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the > population of the Earth is not the act of an > omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told > that God gave us free will and that we should > use it and that would determine our fate. What > you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do > it your way but when it's not going how I like, > I'll take me ball home". These sorts of > contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > > > I will say that the CHristians have given us > some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > > > From: "Brendan" > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke > \(the band!\)" > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in > moderation whethrer it be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book > proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going > to be destroyed to make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote > ?...although i believe i have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he > will establish HIS kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that???s not what > Christianity is all about at all, and ???Bible > > > Wisdom??? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it???s all about > taking the centre of gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU???LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > > against effective birth control for > starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > > priests??? kiddie fiddling. You couldn???t > find an organisation where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ > mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the > weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before > the storm which may or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer > like last year with a pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and > teaches a distorted view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and > enforces false body image in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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Though I doubt I'll be going to confession for the borked mailbox :) At 11:50 AM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: > am getting multiple mails, too! :( > > Yep, me too, repetition...boring. > > Do you think we've broke it? > > Jelly amused > > >---------- >From: folk.devil at hotmail.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:48:34 -0700 >Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? > >am getting multiple mails, too! :( > > >---------- >From: folk.devil at hotmail.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:37:16 -0700 >Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? > >yes. > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:35:34 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? > >Anyone else getting this? > > > >---------- >Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. >Check >it out. > >---------- >Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your >iPhone or BlackBerry >Check >it out. > >---------- >" Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for >MSN. 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From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:23:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? no i'm pete west Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:01:37 -0700 From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? NO! I'm Pete West! From: jerry bodkin To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 12:00:04 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:00:04 +1100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: <0B4E38A483CA4E9F8E94BE3BA9E0DE11@Soundgardener> Yeah it's all meekness and secret blessings and nothing to do with CHOOSE ME OR CHOOSE ETERNAL FLAME. I went on a Christian camp once, and was so disturbed by the leaflets they handed out, little comic strips of normal kids doing 'bad' things and Satan popping up and damning them to hell etc that I had nightmares, fell off a top bunk, got concussion (I didn't wake up) and dislocated my shoulder. Kinda funny in a way, but regardless of the fall and injury, I was *extremely* disturbed at the time, because I was a very credulous and earnest kid. The physical injury and headaches correlated with the message in my mind and I figured I must have something awful to get such a message. Anyway, the whole message on camp was one of damnation, and I got the same lesson at school and in church and at home. I'm not dumb, I saw right through to the guts of the message very early on, and it was explicitly taught that way as well. I might dislike certain faiths etc, including Christianity, but I draw the line at telling anyone they are going to burn for the rest of eternity. Especially just by virtue of being born. That's insane and manipulative, and who knows how many lives have been ruined by it. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:22 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site greg in all my posts where have i used the term religion which actually means continous practice of something ..i'm talking about true christianity exactly as jesus taught ...if someone is cold give them your coat ..if someone slaps you offer the other cheek ...be kind and compassionate to others ..give in secret just as jehovah blesses you in secret _____ From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:58:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site SOme of the problems I have w/religion: Although it may offer some good advice on how to live our lives, it 1. Doesn't update it's teachings (it's the holy book and nothing else) 2. tends to interpret the holy book in question in a mechanical way (fundamentalists) 3. is deterministic (god will decide everything, so don't try to change the way things are) _____ From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance I'm known for it. there is no escape from jehovah's wrath Send him round. since jesus came to show us how to live Oh Pleeeeeze. Sandals dont fit well with me. plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah I defy your false deity, me and him, mano et mano. I made peace with MY God some time ago, i dont preach nor do i threaten the Apocalypse to those that don't think the same way i do. If you want to preach the word of Jesus, jefuckinhoover or whatever else, do it in the appropiate place mate. Jeresy _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:04:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah _____ From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly _____ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself _____ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible Wisdom' is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships _____ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. 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In-Reply-To: <0KHF00CWDIYVCKB0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0KHF00CLQHZF7XC0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00CWDIYVCKB0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: Probably connected with that virus doing the rounds Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:56:50 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Perhaps... Or.... The mail server became sentient and can't stand us anymore. Though I doubt I'll be going to confession for the borked mailbox :) At 11:50 AM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: am getting multiple mails, too! :( Yep, me too, repetition...boring. Do you think we've broke it? Jelly amused From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:48:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? am getting multiple mails, too! :( From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:37:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? yes. Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:35:34 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Anyone else getting this? Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry Check it out. " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download Now _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Beyond Hotmail ? see what else you can do with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665375/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 12:02:52 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:02:52 +1100 Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? In-Reply-To: <0KHF00CWDIYVCKB0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0KHF00CLQHZF7XC0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00CWDIYVCKB0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <24D5CDA6F00145F5B5EA16A12F160FC5@Soundgardener> http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/office_worker_suddenly :-) _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:57 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Perhaps... Or.... The mail server became sentient and can't stand us anymore. Though I doubt I'll be going to confession for the borked mailbox :) At 11:50 AM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: am getting multiple mails, too! :( Yep, me too, repetition...boring. Do you think we've broke it? Jelly amused _____ From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:48:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? am getting multiple mails, too! :( _____ From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:37:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? yes. _____ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:35:34 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Anyone else getting this? _____ Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _____ Rediscover HotmailR: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry Check it out. _____ " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download Now _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering No virus found in this incoming message. 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From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:23:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? no i'm pete west Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:01:37 -0700 From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? NO! I'm Pete West! From: jerry bodkin To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 12:03:50 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:03:50 +1100 Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? In-Reply-To: References: <0KHF00CLQHZF7XC0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00CWDIYVCKB0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: LOL. Or jeh0va's punishment for questioning her existence. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluke fluke Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:00 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Probably connected with that virus doing the rounds _____ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:56:50 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Perhaps... Or.... The mail server became sentient and can't stand us anymore. Though I doubt I'll be going to confession for the borked mailbox :) At 11:50 AM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: am getting multiple mails, too! :( Yep, me too, repetition...boring. Do you think we've broke it? Jelly amused _____ From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:48:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? am getting multiple mails, too! :( _____ From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:37:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? yes. _____ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:35:34 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? Anyone else getting this? _____ Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _____ Rediscover HotmailR: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry Check it out. _____ " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 12:05:16 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:05:16 +0100 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: References: <615737.5945.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ever heard of the film spartacus ? Yep, we all have, which is why..... posed the question! Jel From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:03:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? errr ever heard of the film spartacus ? From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:58:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? Thanks for admitting it , you can use your own E-mail addy if you want to . You dont have to use the psydoname of Stephen Lawrence . ipat knew right away , well spotted ipat. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:23:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? no i'm pete west Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:01:37 -0700 From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? NO! I'm Pete West! From: jerry bodkin To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _________________________________________________________________ Beyond Hotmail ? see what else you can do with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665375/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 12:07:00 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:07:00 -0400 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: References: <615737.5945.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KHF00I0CJFT4BF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> I was waiting for the Spartacus reference. LOL At 12:05 PM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: >ever heard of the film spartacus ? > > Yep, we all have, which is why..... posed the question! > > Jel > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:03:57 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > >errr ever heard of the film spartacus ? > > >---------- >From: fluke1 at live.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:58:46 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > >Thanks for admitting it , you can use your own E-mail addy if you want to . >You dont have to use the psydoname of Stephen Lawrence . >ipat knew right away , well spotted ipat. > > > > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:23:56 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > >no i'm pete west > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:01:37 -0700 >From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > >NO! I'm Pete West! > > >From: jerry bodkin >To: gathering at misera.net >Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM >Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > > > I'm Pete West! > > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 > > > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 > >---------- >Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? >Free. Try it Now! > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 > >---------- >Get the New Internet Explore 8 Optimised for >MSN. >Download >Now >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke10 at live.com Wed Apr 1 12:10:46 2009 From: fluke10 at live.com (fluke fluke) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:10:46 -0700 Subject: [kj] Attn: pier@fairadsl.co.uk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am sorry, that was uncalled for. From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:53:37 +0000 Subject: [kj] Attn: pier at fairadsl.co.uk You cnut, fark off Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke1 at live.co.uk Wed Apr 1 12:08:26 2009 From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:08:26 +0000 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: <0KHF00I0CJFT4BF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <615737.5945.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <0KHF00I0CJFT4BF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: I thought that it was a Life of Brian reference Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:07:00 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I was waiting for the Spartacus reference. LOL At 12:05 PM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: ever heard of the film spartacus ? Yep, we all have, which is why..... posed the question! Jel From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:03:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? errr ever heard of the film spartacus ? From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:58:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? Thanks for admitting it , you can use your own E-mail addy if you want to . You dont have to use the psydoname of Stephen Lawrence . ipat knew right away , well spotted ipat. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:23:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? no i'm pete west Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:01:37 -0700 From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? NO! I'm Pete West! From: jerry bodkin To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Get the New Internet Explore 8 Optimised for MSN. Download Now _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com Wed Apr 1 12:12:13 2009 From: Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com (Per G Olsson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:12:13 +0200 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: <035e01c9b2df$1bb92760$532b7620$@com> References: <035e01c9b2df$1bb92760$532b7620$@com> Message-ID: I think the question should be re-phrased: Just who on this list IS NOT Pete West? /Per V?st 1 apr 2009 kl. 17.32 skrev Darren A. Peace: > Well, he was on the news quite a lot in 1993, if that?s any help? > > > > Darren > > Hungerford, UK > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering- > bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluke fluke > Sent: 01 April 2009 16:02 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > > > > > Has any one seen Stephen Lawrence in person ? > Until someone of reputable reputation can confirm that he is real, > then I shall reserve judgment . > > > > > > From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:56:44 +0100 > Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > > > I'm Pete West! > > Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet > Explorer 8 > > Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluke1 at live.co.uk Wed Apr 1 12:15:30 2009 From: fluke1 at live.co.uk (fluke fluke) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:15:30 +0000 Subject: [kj] (OT) Moderator Message-ID: Moderator: There is a person impersonating me , he is using the same name as me but he has the E-mail addy of fluke10 at live.com which is similar to mine (Mine is fluke1, rather than fluke10) _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 12:15:46 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:15:46 +0100 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: References: <035e01c9b2df$1bb92760$532b7620$@com> Message-ID: I think the question should be re-phrased: Just who on this list IS NOT Pete West? You know what? I'm so bloody confused now, i dont know who i am! Kel, no Tel, NO, that's it...Pete....Jel From: Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:12:13 +0200 To: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk; gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I think the question should be re-phrased: Just who on this list IS NOT Pete West? /Per V?st 1 apr 2009 kl. 17.32 skrev Darren A. Peace: Well, he was on the news quite a lot in 1993, if that?s any help? Darren Hungerford, UK From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of fluke fluke Sent: 01 April 2009 16:02 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? Has any one seen Stephen Lawrence in person ? Until someone of reputable reputation can confirm that he is real, then I shall reserve judgment . From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:56:44 +0100 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joker at Z6.com Wed Apr 1 12:15:32 2009 From: joker at Z6.com (Rob's Arse) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:15:32 -0700 Subject: [kj] Official Site Message-ID: <20090401091532.5E4A9A4E@resin15.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 12:18:11 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:18:11 -0400 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: References: <615737.5945.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <0KHF00I0CJFT4BF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0KHF001XSJYGYCD0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Nope. I made one Life of Brian reference already (yesterday). No need for overkill. Unless you want to mix it up a bit and say. "I am Peter west... and so is my wife! At 12:08 PM 4/1/2009, fluke fluke wrote: > > > I thought that it was a Life of Brian reference > > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:07:00 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > >I was waiting for the Spartacus reference. LOL > >At 12:05 PM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: >ever heard of the film spartacus ? > > Yep, we all have, which is why..... posed the question! > > Jel > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:03:57 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > >errr ever heard of the film spartacus ? > > >---------- >From: fluke1 at live.co.uk >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:58:46 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > >Thanks for admitting it , you can use your own E-mail addy if you want to . >You dont have to use the psydoname of Stephen Lawrence . >ipat knew right away , well spotted ipat. > > > > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:23:56 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > >no i'm pete west > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:01:37 -0700 >From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > >NO! I'm Pete West! > > >From: jerry bodkin >To: gathering at misera.net >Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM >Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? > > > I'm Pete West! > > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 > > > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 > >---------- >Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? >Free. Try it Now! > >---------- >Surfing the web just got more rewarding. >Download >the New Internet Explorer 8 > >---------- >Get the New Internet Explore 8 Optimised for >MSN. >Download >Now >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > >---------- >Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? >Free. Try it Now! >_______________________________________________ >Gathering mailing list >Gathering at misera.net >http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jelbod at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 1 12:19:48 2009 From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk (jerry bodkin) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:19:48 +0100 Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? In-Reply-To: <0KHF001XSJYGYCD0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <615737.5945.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <0KHF00I0CJFT4BF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF001XSJYGYCD0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: "I am Peter west... and so is my wife! Or... "What has Peter West ever done for us?" Jel Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:18:11 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? Nope. I made one Life of Brian reference already (yesterday). No need for overkill. Unless you want to mix it up a bit and say. "I am Peter west... and so is my wife! At 12:08 PM 4/1/2009, fluke fluke wrote: I thought that it was a Life of Brian reference Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:07:00 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I was waiting for the Spartacus reference. LOL At 12:05 PM 4/1/2009, jerry bodkin wrote: ever heard of the film spartacus ? Yep, we all have, which is why..... posed the question! Jel From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:03:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? errr ever heard of the film spartacus ? From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:58:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? Thanks for admitting it , you can use your own E-mail addy if you want to . You dont have to use the psydoname of Stephen Lawrence . ipat knew right away , well spotted ipat. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:23:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? no i'm pete west Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:01:37 -0700 From: elana_mojica at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? NO! I'm Pete West! From: jerry bodkin To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:56:44 AM Subject: [kj] O/T Just who on this list IS Pete West? I'm Pete West! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 Get the New Internet Explore 8 Optimised for MSN. 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Darren Hungerford, UK On 1 Apr 2009, at 17:15, fluke fluke wrote: > Moderator: There is a person impersonating me , he is using the same > name as me but he has the E-mail addy of fluke10 at live.com which is > similar to mine (Mine is fluke1, rather than fluke10) > Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com Wed Apr 1 12:28:21 2009 From: Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com (Per G Olsson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:28:21 +0200 Subject: [kj] (OT) Moderator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eh, Although I dislike when people use other peole's nicknames, in your case it might be the price you pay for hiding behind numerous different aliases during the years. fluke10 - stop it. fluke01 - step forward and let us know who you really are... ;-) /Per 1 apr 2009 kl. 18.15 skrev fluke fluke: > Moderator: There is a person impersonating me , he is using the > same name as me but he has the E-mail addy of fluke10 at live.com > which is similar to mine (Mine is fluke1, rather than fluke10) > Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. 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Kind regards Peter West www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- fluke1 at live.co.uk wrote: From: fluke fluke To: Subject: [kj] (OT) Moderator Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:15:30 +0000 Moderator: There is a person impersonating me , he is using the same name as me but he has the E-mail addy of fluke10 at live.com which is similar to mine (Mine is fluke1, rather than fluke10) Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of www.worldmap.com) _________________________________________________________________ Beyond Hotmail ? see what else you can do with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665375/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 12:43:05 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:43:05 +1100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <20090401091532.5E4A9A4E@resin15.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090401091532.5E4A9A4E@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <61800DC015514538A107A6AB54ABB8F8@Soundgardener> I believe the values behind Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are all morally wrong, not based on evidence, and heading in a pointless direction. I don't buy into the fact that they were ever useful for much, at least not compared to similar actual / possible beliefs in the supernatural that were less manipulative. Buddhism is a self-destructive belief system - as long as there are people in the world ready to kill you if you if you are willing to not defend yourself. It's a recipe for the destruction of the goals it seeks to attain. Until at least there is no one willing to slaughter you and the rest of your willing lambs to the slaughter that is.don't hold your breath for that day, not as long as there are religious loons around. Non resistance to evil is evil. It also has a similar trait to Christianity in that it seeks enlightenment.the purging of negative (read: bad) thoughts and actions until one attains enlightenment / Nirvana. I.e. we are inherently bad. Again the idea of multiple lives and belief in the supernatural, angels in the form of Boddhisatvas etc. Buddhism of all of the religions disappoints me the most because they have some otherwise positive and interesting ideas. At the end of the day it's a weird abstraction as far as I'm concerned. I believe you can attain deeper states of meditation and consciousness expansion through Yoga, drugs, sensory deprivation, and brainwave machines. And occasionally a nice satisfying shit (which I'm sure would make a Zen master smile and say I'm learning.). Islam is another flavour of the big 3 Judaeo Christian religions, same problems. Built around Jihad / eternal salvation / damnation and manipulation via invented supernatural entities for which there is zero proof. Ditto for Judaism.all that wall kissing and repetition of mantras.that's not holy. The Bible was never relevant, neither were the teachings of Shake-your-money the Buddha or Muhammad the nutcase or whatever stupid book the Jews unthinkingly follow. Most religion is manipulation of the stupid by the evil. No one has yet raised the negative correlation of religiosity and intelligence. Happy to do that here and now, I think our resident annoying Christian troll Stephen Lawrence - can't spell, use grammar, look up a word he doesn't understand, get his head around concepts, think for himself, realise the irony in him calling arguments rehashed - is a pretty good example of that. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rob's Arse Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:16 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site "but it was only for the ruling classes and the prieshood "- actually that was the point I was trying to make! The bible and the stories and the preaching were there as an education tool for those who did not have access to the education. I actually believe that the bible was a really useful tool in bringing balance to the world and giving some poor soul some rights. As for Holy Communions- that was to try to add some weight to my argument that the "values of christianity are rather nice, rather like the values of communism, but the reality is that they are contolled and enforced by people and organisations that use them for their own good. It is the people BEHIND the religion who are the wrong doers. The people that follow these fools, the congregation, perpetuate the myths and never question enough. The sole focus of "jesus as the shining light" as it were means that so, so much wrong doing is overlooked or ignored. And that is what is so wrong as Jesus, if you believe his press, would have said "hang on mate. That's not on!" SO many religious ethusiasts (of all faiths) ignore the shit in their back yard!! The world today is differnt to the world 2,000 years ago. Did Jesus have to deal with his carbon foot print? Global warming? Nope. Needs a rewrite. Someone in hollywood can probably do that. The bible is NOT relevant to modern man. Sorry to disagree. www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- stephen.l at live.com wrote: From: Stephen Lawrence To: "joker at z6.com" Subject: RE: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:43:14 +0000 rob your statement about reading and writing 2thousand years ago doesn't hold water early civilization was very eloquent but it was only for the ruling classes and the prieshood ..but with jehovah's people the educated did not mis;ead the people ..at first ..holy communoin is another man made ritual ..yes we shoould remember the last supper as jesus instructed but the symbolic breaking of bread and drinking of wine should only be offerd as a token of worship and NOT every week and only by the designated leader of the congregation ....do you know why there is a problem with food nowadays? disregarding corporate meddling ..over farming something the bible gave guidance about 2.000 years ago ..not relevant todsay ? another example of mankind suffering because he ignores god _____ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:15:10 -0700 From: joker at Z6.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible as a handbook for life 2,000 years ago was pretty valid I have to say.We're talking about very uneducated people who could not read and write well and the notion of law as we see it these days was very ill defined. Simple instruction to people about how to conduct themselves. Useful. However, 2,000 years on and it's just not relevant is it? I mean, I don't use a VCR manual to work out how to programme my pc do I? I know good people who have never done bad in their life and "Jehovah took away his protection" and they were "smited". Similarly, total fucking arseholes roam the Earth unscathed! It just doesn't work like that Stephen. God/Jehovah/Dave isn't selective! He is meant to not interfere as he gave us free will, so "god's will" that much over used phrase is invalid. Either God interevens, puts it right and then controls or he doesn't. There is no grey area for me. The writhing mass of contradiction that is Christianity is redundant. The principles are great, be nice, have respect, show concer, share. The reality is that it is controlled and enforced by The Church. A more devious bunch of crooks than can ever be imagined. They make the Mafia look like alter boys! But there is one underlying thing that really makes me uncomfortable with christianity, and it is this.. I cannot condone a system of belief that holds up acts of human sacrifice and canibalism* as virtuous! If you were to ask someone in modern times if they would follow a religion such as that outlined above, they would be horrified. It conjures up an image of people with bones through their noses running round the jungle. When in fact it is actually, quite probably, your next door neighbour. Teh problem is, they just never thought about it like that, or more likely, no-one ever told 'em cos it was all swept under the carpet nicely! Stephen, this isn't about having a go at you by the way on a personal basis. Far from it. It's just part of the debate. I like theologiocal debate. My brother in law just got his degree in it. He's 100% committed and squirms when I ask difficult questions. He and his wife mutter and have to walk away as they cannot deal with the reality of it! That's not good enough. There should be a robust answer and explanation,. not just a tired 2000 year old line about "God's will" or some similar half hearted platitiude- that's doing an injustice to the whole belief system. * The act of holy communion. Sorry to patronise but the doctrine of the Catholic Church believes that the wine actually turns to the blood of Christ and the bread to the body whereas other forms of Christianity see it as symbolism. www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- stephen.l at live.com wrote: From: Stephen Lawrence To: "gathering at misera.net" Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible > > Wisdom' is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From choonyfish at biftas.co.uk Wed Apr 1 12:43:55 2009 From: choonyfish at biftas.co.uk (Janean) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:43:55 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20090401164733.3288310531@mailwash5.pair.com> Spot on. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rob's Arse Sent: 01 April 2009 13:47 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: From: "Brendan" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and this sums up what I think about it: The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone who has seen the truth: Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there with you. Greg (former Christian) > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > mankind from itself > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > Recognise the quote? > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > more institutionalised. > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I can roll with that SL. > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > 13:05:00 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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URL: From fbc at 21ca.com Wed Apr 1 12:47:29 2009 From: fbc at 21ca.com (Frank Coleman) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:47:29 -0400 Subject: [kj] useless blather lately In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D39AA1.7070209@21ca.com> I'm just glad I have this list set on text-only Digest and a mail filter that sends it to it's own folder. The signal to noise ratio around here lately has been overwhelmingly low. best, FBC From vassifer at earthlink.net Wed Apr 1 12:55:39 2009 From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:55:39 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: "Anti-Pope" by the Damned "Jesus Entering from The Rear" by the Feederz "Robert Tilton Handjob" by Cop Shoot Cop Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:52 AM, GREG SLAWSON wrote: > Great anti-religion songs: > PiL: Religion > XTC: Dear God > Lennon: Imagine > Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick > All religions make me > want to throw up > They claim that they > have the answers > When they don't even > know the questions > They're just a bunch of > liars > THey just want your > money > THey just want your > consciousness" > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > > From: joker at Z6.com > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be > Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are > unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, > obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who > he claimed to be! > > > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are > frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have > had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple > issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and > spiritually wrong. > > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about > forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out > with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if > he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is > just a collection of stories that were put together by people after > the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty > bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for > another time............. > > > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other > religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at > times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the > masses for aeons. > > > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, > doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be > pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing > things in his/her name! > > > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth > is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told > that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would > determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let > you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me > ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile > from Christianity and Christians. > > > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine > architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > > > From: "Brendan" > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse > disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, > and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant > character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a > misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, > pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, > someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand > by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some > sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and > randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in > reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps > you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it > is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through > life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is > there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you > have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible > wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it > be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how > you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke > lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us > will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to > make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented > child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i > have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in > fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted > version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his > patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's > man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS > kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, > and ?Bible > > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of > gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and > Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The > Pope is > > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden > Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the > cases of > > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation > where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net > ] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today > for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my > seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this > unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may > or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a > pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that > that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted > view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of > life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image > in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys > relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering at misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering at misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release > Date: 03/31/09 > > > 13:05:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Stephen Lawrence wrote: > ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and > misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible > contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has > STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a > collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with > jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they > ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament > deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our > sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue > commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are > displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness > etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly > condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such > things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only > human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out > what the bible teaches take alook > > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse > disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, > and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant > character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a > misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, > pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, > someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand > by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some > sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and > randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in > reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps > you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it > is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through > life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is > there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you > have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible > wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it > be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how > you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke > lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us > will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to > make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented > child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i > have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in > fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted > version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his > patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's > man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS > kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, > and ?Bible > > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of > gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and > Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The > Pope is > > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden > Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the > cases of > > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation > where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net > ] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today > for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my > seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this > unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may > or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a > pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that > that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted > view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of > life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image > in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys > relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From vassifer at earthlink.net Wed Apr 1 12:59:11 2009 From: vassifer at earthlink.net (Alexander Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:59:11 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <6E12A4BB-846E-4E3E-A589-5D4C8D415BEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Meanwhile, you're just climbing atop a soap box and condemning everyone who doesn't share your view. How classy! Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Stephen Lawrence wrote: > i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an > intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just > pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and > misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually > results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination > > From: vassifer at earthlink.net > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I > don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen > years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) > > Alex in NYC > > > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: > > none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be > destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled > around like a demented child king long enough'' > > You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a > demented child king thank you. > > "Too much need to believe-Madness" > > Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! > > Now prepare for the rain of fire! > > Jelly > > From: stephen.l at live.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have > not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible > wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation > whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book > proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with > nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's > ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in > this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's > kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long > enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact > don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of > it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his > patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but > know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish > HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and > ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of > gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of > Heaven and Hell. > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > Recognise the quote? > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The > Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden > Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault > from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an > organisation where it was more institutionalised. > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net > ] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for > you never know what tomorrow may bring > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my > seeds. > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this > unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm > which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like > last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > S'ok sweet pea. > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > I can roll with that SL. > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view > of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of > life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces > false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love > and destoys relationships > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: > 03/31/09 13:05:00 > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! > _______________________________________________ > Gathering mailing list > Gathering at misera.net > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Stephen Lawrence wrote: > all those things you say about jesus are true but remember he did > warn that jehovah is not to be mocked and did say that lovers of > money , men who lie with men ,adulterers will not be allowed to live > in jehovah's new kindom on earth ,and also why he condemned the > pharisees for ''tickleing the ears of the congregation'' in other > words only telling them what they want to hear whilst also being > hypocrites..in fact pretty much what happens nowadays ...that's why > the bible says let all men be liars but jehovah's word is true as HE > cannot lie and yes HE says HIMSELF ''I AM A JEALOUS GOD ''..wouldn't > you be if you created something and it went off and did it's own > thing destoying other creations alomg the way > > From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:52:35 +0100 > Subject: [kj] FW: Official Site > > > > From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk > To: joker at z6.com > Subject: RE: [kj] Official Site > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:51:01 +0100 > > > Gotta say Rob, top post, says it all for me mate. Ta. > > Jel > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > > From: joker at Z6.com > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be > Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are > unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, > obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who > he claimed to be! > > > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are > frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have > had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple > issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and > spiritually wrong. > > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about > forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out > with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if > he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is > just a collection of stories that were put together by people after > the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty > bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for > another time............. > > > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other > religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at > times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the > masses for aeons. > > > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, > doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be > pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing > things in his/her name! > > > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth > is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told > that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would > determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let > you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me > ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile > from Christianity and Christians. > > > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine > architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > > > From: "Brendan" > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse > disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, > and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant > character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a > misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, > pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, > someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand > by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some > sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and > randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in > reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps > you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it > is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through > life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is > there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you > have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible > wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it > be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how > you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke > lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us > will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to > make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented > child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i > have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in > fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted > version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his > patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's > man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS > kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, > and ?Bible > > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of > gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and > Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The > Pope is > > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden > Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the > cases of > > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation > where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net > ] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today > for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my > seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this > unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may > or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a > pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that > that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted > view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of > life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image > in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys > relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Stephen Lawrence wrote: > on what grounds do you make such statements ..have you really > studied ..did you know mankinds ages is in there ..and what about > the archeological evidence ? > > From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > The bible teaches nothing except bullshit. > > The fact that it is contradicting is not over used, it is fact that > it has been edited and re interpreted time after time to suit those > in power. > > Nobody is free from sin, if we were we would not exist. > > The only god is your own soul and consience. > > If you really believe these religous ramblings then your either a > loony or have a sad life and need some other form of system to cling > to. > > The relevance to Killing Joke playing @ gay nightclub Heaven has now > dissapeard i think. > > > > > > > > > > > From: stephen.l at live.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and > misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible > contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has > STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a > collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with > jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they > ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament > deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our > sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue > commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are > displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness > etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly > condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such > things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only > human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out > what the bible teaches take alook > > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse > disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, > and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant > character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a > misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, > pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, > someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand > by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some > sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and > randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in > reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps > you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it > is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through > life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is > there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you > have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible > wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it > be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how > you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke > lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us > will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to > make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented > child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i > have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in > fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted > version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his > patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's > man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS > kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, > and ?Bible > > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of > gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and > Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The > Pope is > > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden > Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the > cases of > > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation > where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net > ] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today > for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my > seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this > unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may > or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a > pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that > that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted > view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of > life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image > in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys > relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From gregslawson at msn.com Wed Apr 1 13:19:51 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:19:51 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <61800DC015514538A107A6AB54ABB8F8@Soundgardener> References: <20090401091532.5E4A9A4E@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <61800DC015514538A107A6AB54ABB8F8@Soundgardener> Message-ID: Hey, SL might be brainwashed by the JW's but he seems like a nice guy. From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:43:05 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I believe the values behind Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are all morally wrong, not based on evidence, and heading in a pointless direction. I don?t buy into the fact that they were ever useful for much, at least not compared to similar actual / possible beliefs in the supernatural that were less manipulative. Buddhism is a self-destructive belief system ? as long as there are people in the world ready to kill you if you if you are willing to not defend yourself. It?s a recipe for the destruction of the goals it seeks to attain. Until at least there is no one willing to slaughter you and the rest of your willing lambs to the slaughter that is?don?t hold your breath for that day, not as long as there are religious loons around. Non resistance to evil is evil. It also has a similar trait to Christianity in that it seeks enlightenment?the purging of negative (read: bad) thoughts and actions until one attains enlightenment / Nirvana. I.e. we are inherently bad. Again the idea of multiple lives and belief in the supernatural, angels in the form of Boddhisatvas etc. Buddhism of all of the religions disappoints me the most because they have some otherwise positive and interesting ideas. At the end of the day it?s a weird abstraction as far as I?m concerned. I believe you can attain deeper states of meditation and consciousness expansion through Yoga, drugs, sensory deprivation, and brainwave machines. And occasionally a nice satisfying shit (which I?m sure would make a Zen master smile and say I?m learning?). Islam is another flavour of the big 3 Judaeo Christian religions, same problems. Built around Jihad / eternal salvation / damnation and manipulation via invented supernatural entities for which there is zero proof. Ditto for Judaism?all that wall kissing and repetition of mantras?that?s not holy. The Bible was never relevant, neither were the teachings of Shake-your-money the Buddha or Muhammad the nutcase or whatever stupid book the Jews unthinkingly follow. Most religion is manipulation of the stupid by the evil. No one has yet raised the negative correlation of religiosity and intelligence. Happy to do that here and now, I think our resident annoying Christian troll Stephen Lawrence - can?t spell, use grammar, look up a word he doesn?t understand, get his head around concepts, think for himself, realise the irony in him calling arguments rehashed - is a pretty good example of that. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rob's Arse Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:16 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site "but it was only for the ruling classes and the prieshood "- actually that was the point I was trying to make! The bible and the stories and the preaching were there as an education tool for those who did not have access to the education. I actually believe that the bible was a really useful tool in bringing balance to the world and giving some poor soul some rights. As for Holy Communions- that was to try to add some weight to my argument that the "values of christianity are rather nice, rather like the values of communism, but the reality is that they are contolled and enforced by people and organisations that use them for their own good. It is the people BEHIND the religion who are the wrong doers. The people that follow these fools, the congregation, perpetuate the myths and never question enough. The sole focus of "jesus as the shining light" as it were means that so, so much wrong doing is overlooked or ignored. And that is what is so wrong as Jesus, if you believe his press, would have said "hang on mate. That's not on!" SO many religious ethusiasts (of all faiths) ignore the shit in their back yard!! The world today is differnt to the world 2,000 years ago. Did Jesus have to deal with his carbon foot print? Global warming? Nope. Needs a rewrite. Someone in hollywood can probably do that. The bible is NOT relevant to modern man. Sorry to disagree. www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- stephen.l at live.com wrote: From: Stephen Lawrence To: "joker at z6.com" Subject: RE: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:43:14 +0000 rob your statement about reading and writing 2thousand years ago doesn't hold water early civilization was very eloquent but it was only for the ruling classes and the prieshood ..but with jehovah's people the educated did not mis;ead the people ..at first ..holy communoin is another man made ritual ..yes we shoould remember the last supper as jesus instructed but the symbolic breaking of bread and drinking of wine should only be offerd as a token of worship and NOT every week and only by the designated leader of the congregation ....do you know why there is a problem with food nowadays? disregarding corporate meddling ..over farming something the bible gave guidance about 2.000 years ago ..not relevant todsay ? another example of mankind suffering because he ignores god Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:15:10 -0700 From: joker at Z6.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible as a handbook for life 2,000 years ago was pretty valid I have to say.We're talking about very uneducated people who could not read and write well and the notion of law as we see it these days was very ill defined. Simple instruction to people about how to conduct themselves. Useful. However, 2,000 years on and it's just not relevant is it? I mean, I don't use a VCR manual to work out how to programme my pc do I? I know good people who have never done bad in their life and "Jehovah took away his protection" and they were "smited". Similarly, total fucking arseholes roam the Earth unscathed! It just doesn't work like that Stephen. God/Jehovah/Dave isn't selective! He is meant to not interfere as he gave us free will, so "god's will" that much over used phrase is invalid. Either God interevens, puts it right and then controls or he doesn't. There is no grey area for me. The writhing mass of contradiction that is Christianity is redundant. The principles are great, be nice, have respect, show concer, share. The reality is that it is controlled and enforced by The Church. A more devious bunch of crooks than can ever be imagined. They make the Mafia look like alter boys! But there is one underlying thing that really makes me uncomfortable with christianity, and it is this.. I cannot condone a system of belief that holds up acts of human sacrifice and canibalism* as virtuous! If you were to ask someone in modern times if they would follow a religion such as that outlined above, they would be horrified. It conjures up an image of people with bones through their noses running round the jungle. When in fact it is actually, quite probably, your next door neighbour. Teh problem is, they just never thought about it like that, or more likely, no-one ever told 'em cos it was all swept under the carpet nicely! Stephen, this isn't about having a go at you by the way on a personal basis. Far from it. It's just part of the debate. I like theologiocal debate. My brother in law just got his degree in it. He's 100% committed and squirms when I ask difficult questions. He and his wife mutter and have to walk away as they cannot deal with the reality of it! That's not good enough. There should be a robust answer and explanation,. not just a tired 2000 year old line about "God's will" or some similar half hearted platitiude- that's doing an injustice to the whole belief system. * The act of holy communion. Sorry to patronise but the doctrine of the Catholic Church believes that the wine actually turns to the blood of Christ and the bread to the body whereas other forms of Christianity see it as symbolism. www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- stephen.l at live.com wrote: From: Stephen Lawrence To: "gathering at misera.net" Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From gregslawson at msn.com Wed Apr 1 13:28:11 2009 From: gregslawson at msn.com (GREG SLAWSON) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:28:11 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <0B4E38A483CA4E9F8E94BE3BA9E0DE11@Soundgardener> References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <0B4E38A483CA4E9F8E94BE3BA9E0DE11@Soundgardener> Message-ID: I feel lucky Brenden, I didn't grow up in a religious family and was never forced into that crap (although I'd been to Catholic, Protestant, and fundamentalist churches w/friends when younger and never could figure out how they put up w/that stuff). From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:00:04 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Yeah it?s all meekness and secret blessings and nothing to do with CHOOSE ME OR CHOOSE ETERNAL FLAME. I went on a Christian camp once, and was so disturbed by the leaflets they handed out, little comic strips of normal kids doing ?bad? things and Satan popping up and damning them to hell etc that I had nightmares, fell off a top bunk, got concussion (I didn?t wake up) and dislocated my shoulder. Kinda funny in a way, but regardless of the fall and injury, I was *extremely* disturbed at the time, because I was a very credulous and earnest kid. The physical injury and headaches correlated with the message in my mind and I figured I must have something awful to get such a message. Anyway, the whole message on camp was one of damnation, and I got the same lesson at school and in church and at home. I?m not dumb, I saw right through to the guts of the message very early on, and it was explicitly taught that way as well. I might dislike certain faiths etc, including Christianity, but I draw the line at telling anyone they are going to burn for the rest of eternity. Especially just by virtue of being born. That?s insane and manipulative, and who knows how many lives have been ruined by it. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:22 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site greg in all my posts where have i used the term religion which actually means continous practice of something ..i'm talking about true christianity exactly as jesus taught ...if someone is cold give them your coat ..if someone slaps you offer the other cheek ...be kind and compassionate to others ..give in secret just as jehovah blesses you in secret From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:58:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site SOme of the problems I have w/religion: Although it may offer some good advice on how to live our lives, it 1. Doesn't update it's teachings (it's the holy book and nothing else) 2. tends to interpret the holy book in question in a mechanical way (fundamentalists) 3. is deterministic (god will decide everything, so don't try to change the way things are) From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance I'm known for it. there is no escape from jehovah's wrath Send him round. since jesus came to show us how to live Oh Pleeeeeze. Sandals dont fit well with me. plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah I defy your false deity, me and him, mano et mano. I made peace with MY God some time ago, i dont preach nor do i threaten the Apocalypse to those that don't think the same way i do. If you want to preach the word of Jesus, jefuckinhoover or whatever else, do it in the appropiate place mate. Jeresy From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:04:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From stephen.l at live.com Wed Apr 1 15:23:13 2009 From: stephen.l at live.com (Stephen Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:23:13 +0000 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <20090401091532.5E4A9A4E@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <61800DC015514538A107A6AB54ABB8F8@Soundgardener> Message-ID: thanks greg it's nice to know there are a few kind and agreeable people on this list ....the others know who they are From: gregslawson at msn.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:19:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Hey, SL might be brainwashed by the JW's but he seems like a nice guy. From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:43:05 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I believe the values behind Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are all morally wrong, not based on evidence, and heading in a pointless direction. I don?t buy into the fact that they were ever useful for much, at least not compared to similar actual / possible beliefs in the supernatural that were less manipulative. Buddhism is a self-destructive belief system ? as long as there are people in the world ready to kill you if you if you are willing to not defend yourself. It?s a recipe for the destruction of the goals it seeks to attain. Until at least there is no one willing to slaughter you and the rest of your willing lambs to the slaughter that is?don?t hold your breath for that day, not as long as there are religious loons around. Non resistance to evil is evil. It also has a similar trait to Christianity in that it seeks enlightenment?the purging of negative (read: bad) thoughts and actions until one attains enlightenment / Nirvana. I.e. we are inherently bad. Again the idea of multiple lives and belief in the supernatural, angels in the form of Boddhisatvas etc. Buddhism of all of the religions disappoints me the most because they have some otherwise positive and interesting ideas. At the end of the day it?s a weird abstraction as far as I?m concerned. I believe you can attain deeper states of meditation and consciousness expansion through Yoga, drugs, sensory deprivation, and brainwave machines. And occasionally a nice satisfying shit (which I?m sure would make a Zen master smile and say I?m learning?). Islam is another flavour of the big 3 Judaeo Christian religions, same problems. Built around Jihad / eternal salvation / damnation and manipulation via invented supernatural entities for which there is zero proof. Ditto for Judaism?all that wall kissing and repetition of mantras?that?s not holy. The Bible was never relevant, neither were the teachings of Shake-your-money the Buddha or Muhammad the nutcase or whatever stupid book the Jews unthinkingly follow. Most religion is manipulation of the stupid by the evil. No one has yet raised the negative correlation of religiosity and intelligence. Happy to do that here and now, I think our resident annoying Christian troll Stephen Lawrence - can?t spell, use grammar, look up a word he doesn?t understand, get his head around concepts, think for himself, realise the irony in him calling arguments rehashed - is a pretty good example of that. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rob's Arse Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:16 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site "but it was only for the ruling classes and the prieshood "- actually that was the point I was trying to make! The bible and the stories and the preaching were there as an education tool for those who did not have access to the education. I actually believe that the bible was a really useful tool in bringing balance to the world and giving some poor soul some rights. As for Holy Communions- that was to try to add some weight to my argument that the "values of christianity are rather nice, rather like the values of communism, but the reality is that they are contolled and enforced by people and organisations that use them for their own good. It is the people BEHIND the religion who are the wrong doers. The people that follow these fools, the congregation, perpetuate the myths and never question enough. The sole focus of "jesus as the shining light" as it were means that so, so much wrong doing is overlooked or ignored. And that is what is so wrong as Jesus, if you believe his press, would have said "hang on mate. That's not on!" SO many religious ethusiasts (of all faiths) ignore the shit in their back yard!! The world today is differnt to the world 2,000 years ago. Did Jesus have to deal with his carbon foot print? Global warming? Nope. Needs a rewrite. Someone in hollywood can probably do that. The bible is NOT relevant to modern man. Sorry to disagree. www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- stephen.l at live.com wrote: From: Stephen Lawrence To: "joker at z6.com" Subject: RE: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:43:14 +0000 rob your statement about reading and writing 2thousand years ago doesn't hold water early civilization was very eloquent but it was only for the ruling classes and the prieshood ..but with jehovah's people the educated did not mis;ead the people ..at first ..holy communoin is another man made ritual ..yes we shoould remember the last supper as jesus instructed but the symbolic breaking of bread and drinking of wine should only be offerd as a token of worship and NOT every week and only by the designated leader of the congregation ....do you know why there is a problem with food nowadays? disregarding corporate meddling ..over farming something the bible gave guidance about 2.000 years ago ..not relevant todsay ? another example of mankind suffering because he ignores god Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:15:10 -0700 From: joker at Z6.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible as a handbook for life 2,000 years ago was pretty valid I have to say.We're talking about very uneducated people who could not read and write well and the notion of law as we see it these days was very ill defined. Simple instruction to people about how to conduct themselves. Useful. However, 2,000 years on and it's just not relevant is it? I mean, I don't use a VCR manual to work out how to programme my pc do I? I know good people who have never done bad in their life and "Jehovah took away his protection" and they were "smited". Similarly, total fucking arseholes roam the Earth unscathed! It just doesn't work like that Stephen. God/Jehovah/Dave isn't selective! He is meant to not interfere as he gave us free will, so "god's will" that much over used phrase is invalid. Either God interevens, puts it right and then controls or he doesn't. There is no grey area for me. The writhing mass of contradiction that is Christianity is redundant. The principles are great, be nice, have respect, show concer, share. The reality is that it is controlled and enforced by The Church. A more devious bunch of crooks than can ever be imagined. They make the Mafia look like alter boys! But there is one underlying thing that really makes me uncomfortable with christianity, and it is this.. I cannot condone a system of belief that holds up acts of human sacrifice and canibalism* as virtuous! If you were to ask someone in modern times if they would follow a religion such as that outlined above, they would be horrified. It conjures up an image of people with bones through their noses running round the jungle. When in fact it is actually, quite probably, your next door neighbour. Teh problem is, they just never thought about it like that, or more likely, no-one ever told 'em cos it was all swept under the carpet nicely! Stephen, this isn't about having a go at you by the way on a personal basis. Far from it. It's just part of the debate. I like theologiocal debate. My brother in law just got his degree in it. He's 100% committed and squirms when I ask difficult questions. He and his wife mutter and have to walk away as they cannot deal with the reality of it! That's not good enough. There should be a robust answer and explanation,. not just a tired 2000 year old line about "God's will" or some similar half hearted platitiude- that's doing an injustice to the whole belief system. * The act of holy communion. Sorry to patronise but the doctrine of the Catholic Church believes that the wine actually turns to the blood of Christ and the bread to the body whereas other forms of Christianity see it as symbolism. www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- stephen.l at live.com wrote: From: Stephen Lawrence To: "gathering at misera.net" Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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No doubt he'dve been in London today having his say at the bankers - or at least breaking their windows. London would make Christ proud. > There is no doubt that Jesus existed... Is there any proof or positive indication of him? Last I've read, no one, not even the Romans, left any records of him, even though there are actual contemporary records of his followers (Peter, Paul/Saul, John, etc.) ? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: Rob's Arse To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:47:16 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years?? That's for another time............. Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: From: "Brendan" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and this sums up what I think about it: The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone who has seen the truth: Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there with you. Greg (former Christian) > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > mankind from itself > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > No, actually, thats not what Christianity is all about at all, and Bible > Wisdom is an oxymoron. > > As Nietzsche pointed out, its all about taking the centre of gravity out > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > SAY YOULL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > Recognise the quote? > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > priests kiddie fiddling. You couldnt find an organisation where it was > more institutionalised. > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Oh you grim bugger.? My eyes! >: reading your post. > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think?? :-)) > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I can roll with that SL. > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 15:37:04 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <132997.47112.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "Where is your?god, my loving 'God'??I?have my doubts.." ? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: GREG SLAWSON To: joker at z6.com; gathering Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:52:50 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick ???????????????????????????????????????????? All religions make me want to throw up ?????????????????????????????????????????????They claim that they have the answers ??????????????????????????????????????????????When they don't even know the questions ???????????????????????????????????????????? They're just a bunch of liars ????????????????????????????????????????????? THey just want?your money ????????????????????????????????????????????? THey just want your consciousness" ? > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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Bollocks. Decision time. john-paul ps: on the bright side KJ will probably cancel.... 2009/3/31 melinda grant thought? this may be of interest to you all ;) ? milindafgrant ps check below,hope it comes out ? ________________________________ Subject: CORRECTION: Killing Joke, at Heaven 6th May, not 8th of May - Exclusive pre-sale Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:40:14 -0700 To: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com From: noreply at kentishtownforum.com Killing Joke are delighted to be back for the summer with festival performances across Europe... Starting with an intimate summer warm up show at Heaven... Heaven Warm up May 6th All Tomorrows Parties Minehead May 9th Isle of Wight Festival June 14th Hellfest France June 19th Dourfest Belgium July 17th Ilosaarirock Festival Finland July 18th Sonisphere Knebworth August 1st Rebellion Blackpool August 9th If you wish to update your records to exclude you from receiving future emails regarding pre-sales, special offers and advance notice of forthcoming events,please unsubscribe here. Please do not reply to this email. , EC2A 2DU. Company number: 4254431 ________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peace To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:45:05 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Well, while I defend to the death your right to be a bigot, I?m disappointed to hear that. ? Presumably your moral and spiritual compunctions will prevent you from attending the Heaven gig? ? Darren Hungerford, UK ? From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: 31 March 2009 09:24 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ? actually yes from both a moral and spiritual viewpoint ? ________________________________ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:44:35 +0100 From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Is it so bad to be accused of 'gayness' Stephen dear? -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: 31 March 2009 02:36 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site very amusing brendan NOT? it was a typo? and should have read ''thanks for the heads up per '' ok? ? ________________________________ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:21:19 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I bet to differ and quote Stephen?s recent email (!) ? thanks for head per ? Please keep it offlist chaps! ;) ? ________________________________ From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Per G Olsson Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2009 07:34 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ? ??????????? I've been there too see Red Beat once upon a time. ?The gay blokes didn't eat me. ? ??????????? /Per ? 30 mar 2009 kl. 22.27 skrev ade: ? Honest. -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of fluke fluke Sent: 30 March 2009 21:23 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ? I ve never been there though, I would just like to add ? ? ________________________________ From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:22:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ? ? ??? There is a gay nightclub called Heaven in London? ? ? ? ? ? ________________________________ From: kjlist at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:12:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Somebody want to help us in the States with what "Heaven" refers to? After Googling, I'm guessing it's not "Heaven Fest", the Christian music festival in Colorado starring Skillet and Kutless... ? ________________________________ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:59:13 +0100 From: green.sun1980 at googlemail.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] Official Site Am I missing emails or has no one noticed? KILLING JOKE ANNOUNCE FESTIVAL APPEARANCES Killing Joke?are delighted to be back for the summer with festival performances across Europe.......starting with an intimate summer warm up show at Heaven............. May 08 - Heaven Warm up 09 - All Tomorrows Parties Minehead June 14 - Isle of Wight Festival 19 - Hellfest France 17 - Dourfest Belgium 18 - Ilosaarirock Festival Finland August 01 - Sonisphere Knebworth 09 - Rebellion Blackpool Looking at the heaven web site it says that White Lies are on the 8th May cheers paul ________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. See how. ________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! ________________________________ Windows Live just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/30/09 17:56:00 ________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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You can't just put a person's Sexuality into a box...or have we just returned to Victorian England? ________________________________ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:30:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is?not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships ? > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:57:23 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Any guy who doesn't get off on two chicks together is gay, therefore every > guy is into homosexuality in some form or another Stephen. > > > actually yes from both a moral and spiritual viewpoint > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:44:35 +0100 > > From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > Is it so bad to be accused of 'gayness' Stephen dear? ________________________________ Express your personality in color! 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I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: jerry bodkin To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:50:09 AM Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? ?am getting multiple mails, too! :( ? ?Yep, me too, repetition...boring. ? ?Do you think we've broke it? ? ?Jelly amused ________________________________ From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:48:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? am getting multiple mails, too! :( ? ________________________________ From: folk.devil at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:37:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? yes. ? ________________________________ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:35:34 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? 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I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: fluke fluke To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:35:35 AM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) New Pet Shop Boys song ? Does the beginning have a kind of Nirvana Teen spirit sound to it ? ? ________________________________ From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:21:42 +0000 Subject: [kj] (OT) New Pet Shop Boys song ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBiaRBUjUs ? ? ? Is quite good ________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. Try it Now! ________________________________ Get the New Internet Explore 8 Optimised for MSN. Download Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folk.devil at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 16:31:49 2009 From: folk.devil at hotmail.com (folk devil) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:31:49 -0700 Subject: [kj] Official Site - sexuality In-Reply-To: <641912.52664.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <641912.52664.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i read it as taboos.. Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:49:29 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site - sexuality > active or not - no tabs. What does that mean? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: jo To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:33:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site - sexuality Or stuck in the late 20th Century? You're either sexually active or not - no tabs. You can't just put a person's Sexuality into a box...or have we just returned to Victorian England? From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:30:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:57:23 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Any guy who doesn't get off on two chicks together is gay, therefore every > guy is into homosexuality in some form or another Stephen. > > > actually yes from both a moral and spiritual viewpoint > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:44:35 +0100 > > From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > Is it so bad to be accused of 'gayness' Stephen dear? 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Dual purpose to me - no taboos or labels. i read it as taboos.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:49:29 -0700 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site - sexuality > active or not - no tabs. What does that mean? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jo To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:33:05 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site - sexuality Or stuck in the late 20th Century? You're either sexually active or not - no tabs. You can't just put a person's Sexuality into a box...or have we just returned to Victorian England? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:30:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:57:23 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Any guy who doesn't get off on two chicks together is gay, therefore every > guy is into homosexuality in some form or another Stephen. > > > actually yes from both a moral and spiritual viewpoint > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:44:35 +0100 > > From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > Is it so bad to be accused of 'gayness' Stephen dear? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Express your personality in color! 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URL: From tabazan at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:41:19 2009 From: tabazan at gmail.com (Tabazan) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:41:19 +0100 Subject: [kj] (OT) Moderator In-Reply-To: References: <20090401092703.5E4A9706@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4881fb6c0904011441h4b60755crf0975c203dd756@mail.gmail.com> > I'm concerned about him damaging my reputation . *Chokes on beer* We all know who is the real you Peter, I wouldn't worry about it too much Sorry I haven't been around much everyone, I have taken the week off to tile my kitchen floor . . somehow I have managed to blow up the cooker instead . . . oh well . . On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:31 PM, fluke fluke wrote: > > I'm concerned about him damaging my reputation . > He could post something untoward and my reputation may get tarnished , and > that does concern me, somewhat . > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:27:03 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Moderator > > > But we know who it is Pete so don't worry. > Makes the individual look rather silly in my opinion and I know they are > better than that. > > Kind regards > > Peter West > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- fluke1 at live.co.uk wrote: > > From: fluke fluke > To: > Subject: [kj] (OT) Moderator > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:15:30 +0000 > > Moderator: There is a person impersonating me , he is using the same name > as me but he has the E-mail addy of fluke10 at live.com which is similar > to mine (Mine is fluke1, rather than fluke10) > ------------------------------ > Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? 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In-Reply-To: <503763.9336.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <0KHF00CLQHZF7XC0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <503763.9336.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4881fb6c0904011442n6b016beaq64ffa89f3912a4dd@mail.gmail.com> Looks like Pier hasn't downloaded his mail in a while . . . I haven't seen him around in ages On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM, sade1 wrote: > I've been getting several mailbox error messages. > > > ... ... ... ... ... ... > > *[looking at the current state of things..]* > ** > 'Save me... > save me from Tomorrow.. > I don't want to *sail **in this Ship Of Fools...' * > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* jerry bodkin > *To:* gathering at misera.net > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:50:09 AM > *Subject:* Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? > > > am getting multiple mails, too! :( > > Yep, me too, repetition...boring. > > Do you think we've broke it? > > Jelly amused > > ------------------------------ > From: folk.devil at hotmail.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:48:34 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? > > am getting multiple mails, too! :( > > ------------------------------ > From: folk.devil at hotmail.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:37:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? > > yes. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:35:34 -0400 > From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: [kj] OT-We Killed Mailbox...???? > > Anyone else getting this? > > > ------------------------------ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. 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I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 10:09:46 AM Subject: [kj] (OT) Eat the rich - London protests http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=101255&newsChannel=topNews ? http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-G20%20/idUKL196972720090401 ? Any eyewitnesses among us? ________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: jo To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:50:55 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Moderator I'm trying to get my dogs to shag - I wonder if the bible has a chapter on that amongst it's manifestoes and?'ways of living' tips (in the Middle East at the time writings?) ? Jesu, if you are there please help me, I've cancelled my Glasto tickets for this Oestral Window. ? ? ? Sorry I haven't been around much everyone, I have taken the week off to tile my kitchen floor . . somehow I have managed to blow up the cooker instead . . . oh well . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk Wed Apr 1 18:03:47 2009 From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:03:47 +0100 Subject: [kj] (OT) Moderator References: <20090401092703.5E4A9706@resin15.mta.everyone.net><4881fb6c0904011441h4b60755crf0975c203dd756@mail.gmail.com><094801c9b313$ef180890$0100000a@jo> <609439.52784.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09be01c9b315$bb7f0a40$0100000a@jo> hahahaha I'm unsaveable - teetering on the edge of beastiality with no shame and I'm taking Jesse with me. I had to practically shag ticketmaster for those tickets so I'm loosed. > I'm trying to get my dogs to shag - I wonder if... I believe the sermon on The Mount covers your concerns. It may also be downloaded as a PDF file to your desktop or to your Kindle for ease of use as you attempt to make your dogs shag. About your Glasto tix, even Big Jesse cannot always convince Ticketbasterd to love thy neighbor. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jo To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:50:55 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Moderator I'm trying to get my dogs to shag - I wonder if the bible has a chapter on that amongst it's manifestoes and 'ways of living' tips (in the Middle East at the time writings?) Jesu, if you are there please help me, I've cancelled my Glasto tickets for this Oestral Window. 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But how can the Crusades even partially be defended as "less homicidal than" Communism when the only reason?the crusade/rs didn't kill any more people it's only because they weren't as mechanized? to do so, and not because it?somehow isn't as homicidal as?Communism? ?? Crusaders never said, "oh god, no, we can't go that far." The Crusades (Xian by definition) blatantly pioneered the low?arts/sciences of?modern and institutionalized,?Church-supported and?State-sanctioned genocide.? ? Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The crusades don't come even close in numbers to the amount of deaths caused by Communism in such a short span of time. One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! BTW, what kind of preacher? You constantly say that "Your Party" is different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument is futile. How many sub-sects are there of Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? Your party, in every current and recent large nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, famine, discrimination and destruction. If you want to have an exception between "Good Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). [And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick ???????????????????????????????????????????? All religions make me want to throw up ???????????????????????????????????????????? They claim that they have the answers ????????????????????????????????????????????? When they don't even know the questions ???????????????????????????????????????????? They're just a bunch of liars ????????????????????????????????????????????? THey just want your money ????????????????????????????????????????????? THey just want your consciousness" ? > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > > 13:05:00 > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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Check it out. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry Check it out. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ________________________________ Get the New Internet Explore 8 Optimised for MSN. Download Now _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ? ________________________________ Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of www.worldmap.com) How long were the Crusades? BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! ? ________________________________ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Sounds just like Communism to me! The only thing that Communism (or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case we can also use the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is futile) has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. (Timewave speed baby!) At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk Wed Apr 1 18:23:01 2009 From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:23:01 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site References: <20090401084247.5E4AE605@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <869747.19919.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09fa01c9b318$6b727520$0100000a@jo> ----- Original Message ----- From: sade1 To: joker at Z6.com ; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site But how can the Crusades even partially be defended as "less homicidal than" Communism when the only reason the crusade/rs didn't kill any more people it's only because they weren't as mechanized to do so, and not because it somehow isn't as homicidal as Communism? Crusaders never said, "oh god, no, we can't go that far." The Crusades (Xian by definition) blatantly pioneered the low arts/sciences of modern and institutionalized, Church-supported and State-sanctioned genocide. Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The crusades don't come even close in numbers to the amount of deaths caused by Communism in such a short span of time. One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! BTW, what kind of preacher? You constantly say that "Your Party" is different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument is futile. How many sub-sects are there of Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? Your party, in every current and recent large nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, famine, discrimination and destruction. If you want to have an exception between "Good Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). [And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: How long were the Crusades? BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Sounds just like Communism to me! The only thing that Communism (or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case we can also use the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is futile) has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. (Timewave speed baby!) At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick All religions make me want to throw up They claim that they have the answers When they don't even know the questions They're just a bunch of liars THey just want your money THey just want your consciousness" > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > > 13:05:00 > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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URL: From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk Wed Apr 1 18:26:22 2009 From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:26:22 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site References: <20090401084247.5E4AE605@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <869747.19919.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0a0801c9b318$e2baf4e0$0100000a@jo> I'm trying not to get into this as, one, I don't have the time to research and cover my back and two, I'm probably wrong anyway BUT don't forget the Burning Times. More women were wiped out than in the Holocaust in the name of christianity. Insane. But how can the Crusades even partially be defended as "less homicidal than" Communism when the only reason the crusade/rs didn't kill any more people it's only because they weren't as mechanized to do so, and not because it somehow isn't as homicidal as Communism? Crusaders never said, "oh god, no, we can't go that far." The Crusades (Xian by definition) blatantly pioneered the low arts/sciences of modern and institutionalized, Church-supported and State-sanctioned genocide. Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The crusades don't come even close in numbers to the amount of deaths caused by Communism in such a short span of time. One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! BTW, what kind of preacher? You constantly say that "Your Party" is different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument is futile. How many sub-sects are there of Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? Your party, in every current and recent large nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, famine, discrimination and destruction. If you want to have an exception between "Good Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). [And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: How long were the Crusades? BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Sounds just like Communism to me! The only thing that Communism (or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case we can also use the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is futile) has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. (Timewave speed baby!) At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick All religions make me want to throw up They claim that they have the answers When they don't even know the questions They're just a bunch of liars THey just want your money THey just want your consciousness" > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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A mega-wind-up merchant? -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn Sent: 01 April 2009 04:16 To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible Wisdom' is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed _____ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships _____ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! _____ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. 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If we hadn't taken precautions about AIDS there wouldn't be much of a human population left though innit? _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jerry bodkin Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:17 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... Wer'nt we told this about Aids too? Jel _____ From: fluke1 at live.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:14:43 +0000 Subject: [kj] (OT)Bird Flu......... What happened to that epidemic? Wasn't there supposed to be Thousands of humans dead by now ? Mass communal graves on open wasteland reminiscent of the plague ? Wasn't all those birds sneezing without handkerchiefs going to be threat to mankind? What was the result of the whole bird flu epidemic? The Pharmacetical company that was behind the whole scare made $ Billions by selling the bird Flu vaccination to various countries. That f'kin infected swan found washed up on the shores of UK was thrown overboard by a passing U.S. Warship. That Swan got taken for a ride.......and so did we .....well you did . I knew that it was scam at the time . _____ Surfing the web just got more rewarding. Download the New Internet Explorer 8 _____ Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk Wed Apr 1 18:42:53 2009 From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:42:53 +0100 Subject: [kj] Blood on our hands? Message-ID: <0a2501c9b31b$31950b30$0100000a@jo> Hand up who hasn't. It's on of many examples of human twatness. Not the best of sites but I'm sure that the majority are au fait with this shit anyway: http://www.patregan.freeuk.com/christian_holocaust.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk Wed Apr 1 18:48:37 2009 From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk (ade) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:48:37 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site Message-ID: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B9@mr-pants.the-lab.local> You amaze me Greg, you really do! Born yesterday... to think you teach is just astounding! -----Original Message----- From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON Sent: 01 April 2009 18:20 To: gathering Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Hey, SL might be brainwashed by the JW's but he seems like a nice guy. _____ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 03:43:05 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I believe the values behind Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are all morally wrong, not based on evidence, and heading in a pointless direction. I don?t buy into the fact that they were ever useful for much, at least not compared to similar actual / possible beliefs in the supernatural that were less manipulative. Buddhism is a self-destructive belief system ? as long as there are people in the world ready to kill you if you if you are willing to not defend yourself. It?s a recipe for the destruction of the goals it seeks to attain. Until at least there is no one willing to slaughter you and the rest of your willing lambs to the slaughter that is?don?t hold your breath for that day, not as long as there are religious loons around. Non resistance to evil is evil. It also has a similar trait to Christianity in that it seeks enlightenment?the purging of negative (read: bad) thoughts and actions until one attains enlightenment / Nirvana. I.e. we are inherently bad. Again the idea of multiple lives and belief in the supernatural, angels in the form of Boddhisatvas etc. Buddhism of all of the religions disappoints me the most because they have some otherwise positive and interesting ideas. At the end of the day it?s a weird abstraction as far as I?m concerned. I believe you can attain deeper states of meditation and consciousness expansion through Yoga, drugs, sensory deprivation, and brainwave machines. And occasionally a nice satisfying shit (which I?m sure would make a Zen master smile and say I?m learning?). Islam is another flavour of the big 3 Judaeo Christian religions, same problems. Built around Jihad / eternal salvation / damnation and manipulation via invented supernatural entities for which there is zero proof. Ditto for Judaism?all that wall kissing and repetition of mantras?that?s not holy. The Bible was never relevant, neither were the teachings of Shake-your-money the Buddha or Muhammad the nutcase or whatever stupid book the Jews unthinkingly follow. Most religion is manipulation of the stupid by the evil. No one has yet raised the negative correlation of religiosity and intelligence. Happy to do that here and now, I think our resident annoying Christian troll Stephen Lawrence - can?t spell, use grammar, look up a word he doesn?t understand, get his head around concepts, think for himself, realise the irony in him calling arguments rehashed - is a pretty good example of that. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rob's Arse Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:16 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site "but it was only for the ruling classes and the prieshood "- actually that was the point I was trying to make! The bible and the stories and the preaching were there as an education tool for those who did not have access to the education. I actually believe that the bible was a really useful tool in bringing balance to the world and giving some poor soul some rights. As for Holy Communions- that was to try to add some weight to my argument that the "values of christianity are rather nice, rather like the values of communism, but the reality is that they are contolled and enforced by people and organisations that use them for their own good. It is the people BEHIND the religion who are the wrong doers. The people that follow these fools, the congregation, perpetuate the myths and never question enough. The sole focus of "jesus as the shining light" as it were means that so, so much wrong doing is overlooked or ignored. And that is what is so wrong as Jesus, if you believe his press, would have said "hang on mate. That's not on!" SO many religious ethusiasts (of all faiths) ignore the shit in their back yard!! The world today is differnt to the world 2,000 years ago. Did Jesus have to deal with his carbon foot print? Global warming? Nope. Needs a rewrite. Someone in hollywood can probably do that. The bible is NOT relevant to modern man. Sorry to disagree. www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- stephen.l at live.com wrote: From: Stephen Lawrence To: "joker at z6.com" Subject: RE: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:43:14 +0000 rob your statement about reading and writing 2thousand years ago doesn't hold water early civilization was very eloquent but it was only for the ruling classes and the prieshood ..but with jehovah's people the educated did not mis;ead the people ..at first ..holy communoin is another man made ritual ..yes we shoould remember the last supper as jesus instructed but the symbolic breaking of bread and drinking of wine should only be offerd as a token of worship and NOT every week and only by the designated leader of the congregation ....do you know why there is a problem with food nowadays? disregarding corporate meddling ..over farming something the bible gave guidance about 2.000 years ago ..not relevant todsay ? another example of mankind suffering because he ignores god _____ Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:15:10 -0700 From: joker at Z6.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible as a handbook for life 2,000 years ago was pretty valid I have to say.We're talking about very uneducated people who could not read and write well and the notion of law as we see it these days was very ill defined. Simple instruction to people about how to conduct themselves. Useful. However, 2,000 years on and it's just not relevant is it? I mean, I don't use a VCR manual to work out how to programme my pc do I? I know good people who have never done bad in their life and "Jehovah took away his protection" and they were "smited". Similarly, total fucking arseholes roam the Earth unscathed! It just doesn't work like that Stephen. God/Jehovah/Dave isn't selective! He is meant to not interfere as he gave us free will, so "god's will" that much over used phrase is invalid. Either God interevens, puts it right and then controls or he doesn't. There is no grey area for me. The writhing mass of contradiction that is Christianity is redundant. The principles are great, be nice, have respect, show concer, share. The reality is that it is controlled and enforced by The Church. A more devious bunch of crooks than can ever be imagined. They make the Mafia look like alter boys! But there is one underlying thing that really makes me uncomfortable with christianity, and it is this.. I cannot condone a system of belief that holds up acts of human sacrifice and canibalism* as virtuous! If you were to ask someone in modern times if they would follow a religion such as that outlined above, they would be horrified. It conjures up an image of people with bones through their noses running round the jungle. When in fact it is actually, quite probably, your next door neighbour. Teh problem is, they just never thought about it like that, or more likely, no-one ever told 'em cos it was all swept under the carpet nicely! Stephen, this isn't about having a go at you by the way on a personal basis. Far from it. It's just part of the debate. I like theologiocal debate. My brother in law just got his degree in it. He's 100% committed and squirms when I ask difficult questions. He and his wife mutter and have to walk away as they cannot deal with the reality of it! That's not good enough. There should be a robust answer and explanation,. not just a tired 2000 year old line about "God's will" or some similar half hearted platitiude- that's doing an injustice to the whole belief system. * The act of holy communion. Sorry to patronise but the doctrine of the Catholic Church believes that the wine actually turns to the blood of Christ and the bread to the body whereas other forms of Christianity see it as symbolism. www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- stephen.l at live.com wrote: From: Stephen Lawrence To: "gathering at misera.net" Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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And Communism killed a shitload (many millions) of ppl. in an amazingly short period of time At 06:20 PM 4/1/2009, sade1 wrote: > But how can the Crusades even partially be > defended as "less homicidal than" Communism when >the only reason the crusade/rs didn't kill any >more people it's only because they weren't as mechanized >to do so, and not because it somehow isn't as homicidal as Communism? > Crusaders never said, "oh god, no, we can't > go that far." The Crusades (Xian by definition) blatantly >pioneered the low arts/sciences of modern and >institutionalized, Church-supported and State-sanctioned genocide. > > > > >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >The crusades don't come even close in numbers to >the amount of deaths caused by Communism >in such a short span of time. > >One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! >BTW, what kind of preacher? > >You constantly say that "Your Party" is >different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument >is futile. How many sub-sects are there of >Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? > >Your party, in every current and recent large >nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, >famine, discrimination and destruction. > >If you want to have an exception between "Good >Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism >run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply >exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). >[And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] > >At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >How long were the Crusades? >BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from >anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c >you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of >religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! > > >---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 >From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >Sounds just like Communism to me! > >The only thing that Communism >(or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation >of communism" in which case we can also use >the statement of "wrong implementation of >religion" so to argue this is futile) >has done better (so far) than religion is to >have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. >(Timewave speed baby!) > > >At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: >Great anti-religion songs: >PiL: Religion >XTC: Dear God >Lennon: Imagine >Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick > >All religions make me want to throw up > >They claim that they have the answers > >When they don't even know the questions > They're just a bunch of liars > THey just want your money > >THey just want your consciousness" > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > > From: joker at Z6.com > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make > the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving > narrow minded individuals who are unable to > confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he > was a preacher, obviously a highly effective > one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > > > What concerns me is how his words have been > read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap > from the dealings I have had with you off list, > but I am alarmed that you might take a simple > issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His > teachings are about forgiveness, understanding > and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with > hookers! I doubt very much if he would have > been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his > word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a > collection of stories that were put together by > people after the fact putting their spin on it. > The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! > I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like > all the other religions I have come across is a > blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, > downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > > > I've an open mind about God. He might or > might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But > I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty > pissed off with all the people running round > the world doing things in his/her name! > > > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the > population of the Earth is not the act of an > omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told > that God gave us free will and that we should > use it and that would determine our fate. What > you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do > it your way but when it's not going how I like, > I'll take me ball home". These sorts of > contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > > > I will say that the CHristians have given us > some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > > > From: "Brendan" > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke > \(the band!\)" > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in > moderation whethrer it be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book > proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going > to be destroyed to make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote > ?...although i believe i have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he > will establish HIS kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that???s not what > Christianity is all about at all, and ???Bible > > > Wisdom??? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it???s all about > taking the centre of gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU???LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > > against effective birth control for > starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > > priests??? kiddie fiddling. You couldn???t > find an organisation where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ > mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the > weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before > the storm which may or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer > like last year with a pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and > teaches a distorted view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and > enforces false body image in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: jerry bodkin To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 7:12:56 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ?such petulance ? ?I'm known for it. ? there is no escape from jehovah's wrath ? Send him round. ? since jesus came to show us how to live ? Oh Pleeeeeze. Sandals dont fit well with me. ? plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah? ? I defy your false deity, me and him, mano et mano. ? I made peace with MY God some time ago, i dont preach nor do i threaten the Apocalypse to those that don't think the same way i do. If you want to preach the word of Jesus, jefuckinhoover or whatever else, do it in the appropiate place mate. ? Jeresy ________________________________ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:04:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact?it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah ? ________________________________ From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough''? ? You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child?king thank you. ? "Too much need to believe-Madness" ? Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! ? Now prepare for the rain of fire! ? Jelly ? ________________________________ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not?studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is?definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful?nature will prevent him ...so he will establish?HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself ? ________________________________ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. ? As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. ? SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. ? Recognise the quote? ? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. ________________________________ From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ? not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring ? ________________________________ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger.? My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. ? if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize ? ________________________________ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think?? :-)) ? thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed ? ________________________________ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. ? what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is?not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships ? ________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ? ________________________________ Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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URL: From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk Wed Apr 1 20:46:15 2009 From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:46:15 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo><27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <156399.36184.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0a9c01c9b32c$6d5db340$0100000a@jo> we're not in the age of pixies, sorry, pisces anymore. such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. 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Please Stephen (pete?) stop inventing deities just because the universe is too large for your head to comprehend.. From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:46:15 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site we're not in the age of pixies, sorry, pisces anymore. such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:03:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Moderator hahahaha I'm unsaveable - teetering on the edge of beastiality with no shame and I'm taking Jesse with me. I had to practically shag ticketmaster for those tickets so I'm loosed. > I'm trying to get my dogs to shag - I wonder if... I believe the sermon on The Mount covers your concerns. It may also be downloaded as a PDF file to your desktop or to your Kindle for ease of use as you attempt to make your dogs shag. About your Glasto tix, even Big Jesse cannot always convince Ticketbasterd to love thy neighbor. ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' From: jo To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:50:55 PM Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Moderator I'm trying to get my dogs to shag - I wonder if the bible has a chapter on that amongst it's manifestoes and 'ways of living' tips (in the Middle East at the time writings?) Jesu, if you are there please help me, I've cancelled my Glasto tickets for this Oestral Window. Sorry I haven't been around much everyone, I have taken the week off to tile my kitchen floor . . somehow I have managed to blow up the cooker instead . . . oh well . . _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Beyond Hotmail ? see what else you can do with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665375/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saulomar1 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 22:18:21 2009 From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com (sade1) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [kj] Official Site - GOD In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo><27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <156399.36184.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <0a9c01c9b32c$6d5db340$0100000a@jo> Message-ID: <641847.19685.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ?? Nature makes more sense than (any version of) God, hands down.? If I had to choose between Nature and "God" as my friend, it's Nature, across the board. Complete no-brainer. If I put a seed in the ground and water it, tend to it, it will give me food; thank you. A Christian will fault me for not having prayed before planting (though i cared for the plant very much all throughout), for not having said a blessing before watering... and wtf was I doing planting on a sunday, anyway? *smack!* and I'm up on a cross or in a pew being voyeuristically listened to by the priest or similar. Oh, and I talked to the plant too?! "Burn him!, heretic!, speaking to plants and false idols and demons,etcet.ce.tera. - unless of course, you can tell us.. how many angels can dance on the head of this pin, here?" ? ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current?state of things..] ? 'Save me... ? save me?from Tomorrow.. ??? I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'?? ________________________________ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:11:16 PM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site - GOD We could also view God as nature, i.e. if you go against it, our environment will be affected negatively in turn (basic law of physics) I love the way God becomes personified into this old fluffy bearded gardener? who gets pissed off with his kids, for playing footie on the lawn. Please Stephen (pete?) stop inventing deities just because the universe is too large for your head to comprehend.. ________________________________ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:46:15 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site we're not in the age of pixies, sorry,?pisces anymore. such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact?it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah ? ________________________________ From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough''? ? You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child?king thank you. ? "Too much need to believe-Madness" ? Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! ? Now prepare for the rain of fire! ? Jelly ? ________________________________ From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not?studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is?definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful?nature will prevent him ...so he will establish?HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself ? ________________________________ From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. ? As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. ? SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. ? Recognise the quote? ? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. ________________________________ From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ? not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring ? ________________________________ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger.? My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. ? if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize ? ________________________________ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think?? :-)) ? thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed ? ________________________________ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. ? what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is?not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships ? ________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ? ________________________________ Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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Find out more! ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering ________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bq at soundgardener.co.nz Wed Apr 1 22:21:16 2009 From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz (Brendan Quinn) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:21:16 +1100 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <425383.18235.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <425383.18235.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3603618C3DCB426AAF1D194568733742@Soundgardener> There's plenty of doubt that he existed., that's another common myth, it always goes like that too.someone starts from the premise that they accept Jesus lived then moves on to disagree with whatever else.Christian apologism 101. Stick with the facts I say. For Jesus to have lived at the time he did and there be no contemporary record.it's a bit odd. I don't know or care one way or the other, he may well have, but it's uncertain. _____ From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1 Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 06:34 To: joker at Z6.com; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and > acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! But he also went to the temple and flung the tables of the moneylenders! No doubt he'dve been in London today having his say at the bankers - or at least breaking their windows. London would make Christ proud. > There is no doubt that Jesus existed... Is there any proof or positive indication of him? Last I've read, no one, not even the Romans, left any records of him, even though there are actual contemporary records of his followers (Peter, Paul/Saul, John, etc.) ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' _____ From: Rob's Arse To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:47:16 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: From: "Brendan" To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and this sums up what I think about it: The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone who has seen the truth: Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there with you. Greg (former Christian) > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > mankind from itself > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > No, actually, thats not what Christianity is all about at all, and Bible > Wisdom is an oxymoron. > > As Nietzsche pointed out, its all about taking the centre of gravity out > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > SAY YOULL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > Recognise the quote? > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > priests kiddie fiddling. You couldnt find an organisation where it was > more institutionalised. > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I can roll with that SL. > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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Even the Easter Bunny got in on the action: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090401/ap_on_re_eu/g20_protests ... ... ... ... ... ... [looking at the current state of things..] 'Save me... save me from Tomorrow.. I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...' _____ From: folk devil To: gathering at misera.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 10:09:46 AM Subject: [kj] (OT) Eat the rich - London protests http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=101255 &newsChannel=topNews http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-G20%20/idUKL196972720090401 Any eyewitnesses among us? _____ Rediscover HotmailR: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry Check it out. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2034 - Release Date: 04/01/09 06:06:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From elipsis44 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 23:32:17 2009 From: elipsis44 at hotmail.com (J Casavola) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:32:17 -0700 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <0KHE003DZKOL5D41@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local> <32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> <0KHD00CXNJ3G9620@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <883666.326.qm@web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <594B1B9EB376463E9BCC7386F03485F8@Soundgardener> <0KHE003DZKOL5D41@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: OOOH man! Thanks for the horrible image.. Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:36:16 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site You're such a weightist! Besides you didn't define the type of women involved. If it's hot chicks vs non-hot chicks then it can't be a blanket statement. :) At 10:49 PM 3/31/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote: Thank you, some sense at last! No one?s going to waste a good fantasy and moist towelette Rosie O?Donnell and Oprah FFS? From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Leigh Newton Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 04:24 To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Well, obviously the chicks in question are hot. C'mon. http://www.nightruiner.com http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale From: The Exorcist To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:04:24 AM Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Depends on the chicks. When I was surrounded by 200+ lesbians (sold out at knitting factory NYC) I learnt a lot more about the lesbian community than I.... *shiver* BTW, your logic is weaketh dear Brendan. :) At 09:57 AM 3/31/2009, Brendan wrote: Any guy who doesn't get off on two chicks together is gay, therefore every guy is into homosexuality in some form or another Stephen. > actually yes from both a moral and spiritual viewpoint > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:44:35 +0100 > From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > Is it so bad to be accused of 'gayness' Stephen dear? > > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On > Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > Sent: 31 March 2009 02:36 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > very amusing brendan NOT it was a typo and should have read ''thanks for > the heads up per '' ok? > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:21:19 +1100 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > I bet to differ and quote Stephen?s recent email (!) > > thanks for head per > > Please keep it offlist chaps! ;) > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > On Behalf Of Per G Olsson > Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2009 07:34 > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I've been there too see Red Beat once upon a time. The gay > blokes didn't eat me. > > > > /Per > > > > > 30 mar 2009 kl. 22.27 skrev ade: > > > > > Honest. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On > Behalf Of fluke fluke > Sent: 30 March 2009 21:23 > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I ve never been there though, I would just like to add > > > > > > > From: fluke1 at live.co.uk > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:22:28 +0000 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > There is a gay nightclub called Heaven in London > > > > > > > > > > From: kjlist at live.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:12:09 -0500 > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > Somebody want to help us in the States with what "Heaven" refers to? After > Googling, I'm guessing it's not "Heaven Fest", the Christian music > festival in Colorado starring Skillet and Kutless... > > > > > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:59:13 +0100 > From: green.sun1980 at googlemail.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: [kj] Official Site > > Am I missing emails or has no one noticed? > > > KILLING JOKE ANNOUNCE FESTIVAL APPEARANCES > > > Killing Joke are delighted to be back for the summer with festival > performances across Europe.......starting with an intimate summer warm up > show at Heaven............. > > May > 08 - Heaven Warm up > 09 - All Tomorrows Parties Minehead > June > 14 - Isle of Wight Festival > 19 - Hellfest France > 17 - Dourfest Belgium > 18 - Ilosaarirock Festival Finland > August > 01 - Sonisphere Knebworth > 09 - Rebellion Blackpool > > > Looking at the heaven web site it says that White Lies are on the 8th May > > cheers > paul > > > > > > > > Express your personality in color! 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From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:55:39 -0400 CC: joker at z6.com Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site "Anti-Pope" by the Damned "Jesus Entering from The Rear" by the Feederz "Robert Tilton Handjob" by Cop Shoot Cop Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:52 AM, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick All religions make me want to throw up They claim that they have the answers When they don't even know the questions They're just a bunch of liars THey just want your money THey just want your consciousness" > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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Check it out. _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elipsis44 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 23:42:31 2009 From: elipsis44 at hotmail.com (J Casavola) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:42:31 -0700 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> Message-ID: I can't almost believe what I am hearing! You are as mutually arrogant when you talk about Christianity, as you describe all of us as a whole. As I read, I also see has much paradoxical preceptions through out all these arguments! From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter assassination From: vassifer at earthlink.net To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!) Alex in NYC On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote: none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible Wisdom? is an oxymoron. As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. Recognise the quote? PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was more institutionalised. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never know what tomorrow may bring From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant autumn as consolation prize From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site S'ok sweet pea. We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site I can roll with that SL. Fools that fuck only for fun. what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible teaches nothing except bullshit. The fact that it is contradicting is not over used, it is fact that it has been edited and re interpreted time after time to suit those in power. Nobody is free from sin, if we were we would not exist. The only god is your own soul and consience. If you really believe these religous ramblings then your either a loony or have a sad life and need some other form of system to cling to. The relevance to Killing Joke playing @ gay nightclub Heaven has now dissapeard i think. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gathering mailing list > > Gathering at misera.net > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > > 13:05:00 > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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URL: From killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com Wed Apr 1 23:59:13 2009 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com (The Exorcist) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:59:13 -0400 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local> <32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> <053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo> <058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo> <060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo> <27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener> <25697.203.210.68.145.1238587830.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <0KHG00CBSGEV8G91@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Great album by Lisa Gerrard! At 1:52 PM 4/1/2009, J Casavola wrote: >you might want to look into Duality then. Or is there Duality??? > > >---------- >From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > >The bible teaches nothing except bullshit. > >The fact that it is contradicting is not over >used, it is fact that it has been edited and re >interpreted time after time to suit those in power. > >Nobody is free from sin, if we were we would not exist. > >The only god is your own soul and consience. > >If you really believe these religous ramblings >then your either a loony or have a sad life and >need some other form of system to cling to. > >The relevance to Killing Joke playing @ gay >nightclub Heaven has now dissapeard i think. > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- >From: stephen.l at live.com >To: gathering at misera.net >Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 >Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > >ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other >misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually >that quote about the bible contradicting is >SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has >STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not >a book but a collection of books dealing with >early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS >guidance ..it even shows what happens when they >ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS >protection...the new testament deals with >jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may >have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly >endeavor not to continue commiting those sins >because sin is commiting acts that are >displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing >,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS >difficult in a world that half heartedly >condemns such things while promoting te tools to >do such things ..how many leaders do you see >guiding by example ...the only human being to do >that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find >out what the bible teaches take alook > > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > > this sums up what I think about it: > > > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > > who has seen the truth: > > > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > > with you. > > > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he > will establish HIS kingdom to save > > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity > is all about at all, and ?Bible > > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > > against effective birth control for > starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > > warm for this time of year is a lull before > the storm which may or may not > > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > > To: gathering at misera.net > > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and > teaches a distorted view of sex > > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering at misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gathering mailing list > > > Gathering at misera.net > > > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: > 270.11.33/2031 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > > > 13:05:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? 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From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:58:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site on what grounds do you make such statements ..have you really studied ..did you know mankinds ages is in there ..and what about the archeological evidence ? From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The bible teaches nothing except bullshit. The fact that it is contradicting is not over used, it is fact that it has been edited and re interpreted time after time to suit those in power. Nobody is free from sin, if we were we would not exist. The only god is your own soul and consience. If you really believe these religous ramblings then your either a loony or have a sad life and need some other form of system to cling to. The relevance to Killing Joke playing @ gay nightclub Heaven has now dissapeard i think. From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:20:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site ah so brendan all you are doing is quoting other misinformed and misgiuded people ...actually that quote about the bible contradicting is SO overused ...anyone such as myself who has STUDIED [ clue ]the bible NOT read as it is not a book but a collection of books dealing with early man's relationship with jehovah and HIS guidance ..it even shows what happens when they ignore HIM and HE takes away HIS protection...the new testament deals with jesus's teachings and sacrifice so that we may have our sins forgiven but only if we earnestly endeavor not to continue commiting those sins because sin is commiting acts that are displeasing to jehovah be it lying ,stealing ,cheating ,drunkenness etc ...and yes it IS difficult in a world that half heartedly condemns such things while promoting te tools to do such things ..how many leaders do you see guiding by example ...the only human being to do that was JESUS ..so if you really want to find out what the bible teaches take alook > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From elipsis44 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 2 00:02:59 2009 From: elipsis44 at hotmail.com (J Casavola) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:02:59 -0700 Subject: [kj] Official Site In-Reply-To: <0KHF0021QGNE3S90@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <20090401054716.5E4AD42C@resin15.mta.everyone.net> <0KHF000PRD113F50@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF00CHYEWU8070@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0KHF0021QGNE3S90@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: And what about "Communists", em, I mean "Socialists Ideals"??? In the many applications of Communism, it wasn't actually Communism practiced in Countries such as the USSR and China, which was actually "Socialism". Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:06:46 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site While I can't comment much on the intricacies of Christianity and am no fan of any religion/belief being proselyted. There is no way I can let it be criticized by someone who goes around proselyting an ideal which has done so much harm. If ppl. don't agree that is their decision, but please, don't bitch at someone else as if you're the one with all the right answers. (Yes Greg, I mean you.) Reminds me of "Pot, Meet Kettle" At 10:55 AM 4/1/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote: exo let them be THEY don't want to have an informed and intelligent debate about christianity because they either are misinformed [ haven't studied the bible ] or have a personal axe to grind Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site The crusades don't come even close in numbers to the amount of deaths caused by Communism in such a short span of time. One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! BTW, what kind of preacher? You constantly say that "Your Party" is different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument is futile. How many sub-sects are there of Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars? Your party, in every current and recent large nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, famine, discrimination and destruction. If you want to have an exception between "Good Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). [And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?] At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: How long were the Crusades? BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site Sounds just like Communism to me! The only thing that Communism (or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case we can also use the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is futile) has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. (Timewave speed baby!) At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: Great anti-religion songs: PiL: Religion XTC: Dear God Lennon: Imagine Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick All religions make me want to throw up They claim that they have the answers When they don't even know the questions They're just a bunch of liars THey just want your money THey just want your consciousness" > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 > From: joker at Z6.com > To: gathering at misera.net > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. > > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! > > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. > > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. > > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. > > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! > > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. > > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! > > > > > > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear > > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: > > From: "Brendan" > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) > > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and > this sums up what I think about it: > > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. > > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. > > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone > who has seen the truth: > > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there > with you. > > Greg (former Christian) > > > > > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save > > mankind from itself > > > > > > > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually, that?s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ?Bible > > Wisdom? is an oxymoron. > > > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it?s all about taking the centre of gravity out > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. > > > > SAY YOU?LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. > > > > > > Recognise the quote? > > > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of > > priests? kiddie fiddling. You couldn?t find an organisation where it was > > more institutionalised. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you > > never know what tomorrow may bring > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. > > > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. > > > > > > > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant > > autumn as consolation prize > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > > > S'ok sweet pea. > > > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) > > > > > > > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed > > > > > > > > > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk > > To: gathering at misera.net > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site > > > > I can roll with that SL. > > > > Fools that fuck only for fun. > > > > > > > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships > > > > > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail just got better. 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URL: From jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk Thu Apr 2 00:16:19 2009 From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk (jo) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:16:19 +0100 Subject: [kj] Official Site - GOD References: <0118AC7F1197BD47A4D36379808A9DDC0971B0@mr-pants.the-lab.local><32193.203.210.68.145.1238507843.squirrel@mail.orcon.net.nz><053b01c9b25d$c0eefc00$0100000a@jo><058e01c9b25f$64c61470$0100000a@jo><060401c9b262$a7e19dd0$0100000a@jo><27C26B68C9264BC490C073BE9BBD52A4@Soundgardener><156399.36184.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <0a9c01c9b32c$6d5db340$0100000a@jo> Message-ID: <0aff01c9b349$c6336010$0100000a@jo> :-) god's a twee little personification of Nature and we're a product of Nature; who can only behave naturally. Nice and simple. That'll do me. We evolved and what we do is perfectly Natural whether you're comfortable with our footprint or not. We could also view God as nature, i.e. if you go against it, our environment will be affected negatively in turn (basic law of physics) I love the way God becomes personified into this old fluffy bearded gardener who gets pissed off with his kids, for playing footie on the lawn. Please Stephen (pete?) stop inventing deities just because the universe is too large for your head to comprehend.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:46:15 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site we're not in the age of pixies, sorry, pisces anymore. such petulance and there is no escape from jehovah's wrath which is understandable aftrer witnessing mankinds bloodshed of his fellow man for 2 thousand years since jesus came to show us how to live ..in fact it makes me laugh how you think you can defy and even threaten the creator of the universe and all the good things in it for our benefit ..what a loving and benevolent deity ..plenty of examples in the bible of what happens to humans who defy jehovah ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented child king thank you. "Too much need to believe-Madness" Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! Now prepare for the rain of fire! Jelly ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen.l at live.com To: gathering at misera.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself ----------------------------------------------------------------------------