[kj] FW: Official Site

[Alexander Smith]

Seriously, take this inane claptrap off the list, please.

Alex in NYC


On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Stephen Lawrence wrote:


> all those things you say about jesus are true but remember he did  

> warn that jehovah is not to be mocked and did say that lovers of  

> money , men who lie with men ,adulterers will not be allowed to live  

> in jehovah's new kindom on earth ,and also why he condemned the  

> pharisees for ''tickleing the ears of the congregation'' in other  

> words only telling them what they want to hear whilst also being  

> hypocrites..in fact pretty much what happens nowadays ...that's why  

> the bible says let all men be liars but jehovah's word is true as HE  

> cannot lie and yes HE says HIMSELF ''I AM A JEALOUS GOD ''..wouldn't  

> you be if you created something and it went off and did it's own  

> thing destoying other creations alomg the way

>

> From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:52:35 +0100

> Subject: [kj] FW: Official Site

>

>

>

> From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

> To: joker at z6.com

> Subject: RE: [kj] Official Site

> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:51:01 +0100

>

>

>  Gotta say Rob, top post, says it all for me mate. Ta.

>

>  Jel

>

> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700

> > From: joker at Z6.com

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> >

> >

> > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be  

> Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are  

> unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives.

> >

> > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher,  

> obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who  

> he claimed to be!

> >

> > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are  

> frequently totally ignored by his followers.

> >

> > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have  

> had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple  

> issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and  

> spiritually wrong.

> > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about  

> forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out  

> with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if  

> he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is  

> just a collection of stories that were put together by people after  

> the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty  

> bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for  

> another time.............

> >

> > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other  

> religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at  

> times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the  

> masses for aeons.

> >

> > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno,  

> doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be  

> pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing  

> things in his/her name!

> >

> > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth  

> is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told  

> that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would  

> determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let  

> you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me  

> ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile  

> from Christianity and Christians.

> >

> > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine  

> architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear

> >

> > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote:

> >

> > From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net 

> >

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT)

> >

> > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse  

> disagreement

> > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions,  

> and

> > this sums up what I think about it:

> >

> > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant  

> character in

> > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving

> > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a  

> misogynistic,

> > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,  

> pestilential,

> > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

> >

> > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1.

> >

> > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from,  

> someone

> > who has seen the truth:

> >

> > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand  

> by his

> > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some  

> sort of

> > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and  

> randomness is

> > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in  

> reality.

> > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps  

> you do

> > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it  

> is all

> > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through  

> life. It

> > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is  

> there

> > with you.

> >

> > Greg (former Christian)

> >

> >

> > >

> > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you  

> have not

> > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible  

> wisdom even

> > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it  

> be eating

> > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how  

> you feel

> > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke  

> lyric

> > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us  

> will get

> > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to  

> make way for

> > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented  

> child king

> > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i  

> have a good

> > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in  

> fact don't

> > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what

> > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted  

> version of it

> > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his  

> patience

> > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's  

> man's

> > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS  

> kingdom to save

> > > mankind from itself

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > No, actually, that’s not what Christianity is all about at all,  

> and ‘Bible

> > > Wisdom’ is an oxymoron.

> > >

> > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it’s all about taking the centre of  

> gravity out

> > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and  

> Hell.

> > >

> > > SAY YOU’LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK.

> > >

> > >

> > > Recognise the quote?

> > >

> > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The  

> Pope is

> > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden  

> Africans. And the

> > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the  

> cases of

> > > priests’ kiddie fiddling. You couldn’t find an organisation  

> where it was

> > > more institutionalised.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ]

> > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

> > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today  

> for you

> > > never know what tomorrow may bring

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post.

> > >

> > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my  

> seeds.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this  

> unnaturally

> > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may  

> or may not

> > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a  

> pleasant

> > > autumn as consolation prize

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > >

> > > S'ok sweet pea.

> > >

> > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-))

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > > I can roll with that SL.

> > >

> > > Fools that fuck only for fun.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that  

> that

> > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted  

> view of sex

> > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of  

> life ..it makes

> > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image  

> in other

> > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys  

> relationships

> > >

> > >

> > >

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