[kj] Official Site

[Brendan Quinn]

In all fairness, from what I understand that figure has been exaggerated and
is more likely 100 000 or less. However men and women are still being killed
for supposed sorcery today.

 

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~rjg/witches.shtml

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt

 

 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of jo
Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 09:26
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

 

I'm trying not to get into this as, one, I don't have the time to research
and cover my back and two, I'm probably wrong anyway BUT don't forget the
Burning Times.  More women were wiped out than in the Holocaust in the name
of christianity. 

Insane.

 

 

 

   But how can the Crusades even partially be defended as "less homicidal
than" Communism when 

the only reason the crusade/rs didn't kill any more people it's only because
they weren't as mechanized 

to do so, and not because it somehow isn't as homicidal as Communism?

   Crusaders never said, "oh god, no, we can't go that far." The Crusades
(Xian by definition) blatantly 

pioneered the low arts/sciences of modern and institutionalized,
Church-supported and State-sanctioned genocide. 

 



 
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

The crusades don't come even close in numbers to the amount of deaths caused
by Communism 
in such a short span of time.

One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive!
BTW, what kind of preacher?

You constantly say that "Your Party" is different than the others. I've
already pointed out below how that argument
is futile. How many sub-sects are there of Christianity? Where they all
responsible for deaths and wars?

Your party, in every current and recent large nation wide implementation has
been a failure and a harbinger of death,
famine, discrimination and destruction.

If you want to have an exception between "Good Communism" (which I've yet to
see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism
run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply exceptions only to Communism
and not something else (i.e. Religion).
[And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?]

At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

How long were the Crusades?
BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from anything else in history
w/the same C word, b/c you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of
religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher!
 


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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

Sounds just like Communism to me!

The only thing that Communism 
(or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case
we can also use
the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is
futile) 
has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death
toll in a much much shorter period of time.
(Timewave speed baby!)


At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

Great anti-religion songs:

PiL: Religion

XTC: Dear God

Lennon: Imagine

Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick

                                             All religions make me want to
throw up

                                             They claim that they have the
answers

                                              When they don't even know the
questions

                                             They're just a bunch of liars

                                              THey just want your money

                                              THey just want your
consciousness"


  


> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700



> From: joker at Z6.com



> To: gathering at misera.net



> Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site



> 



> 



> In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the

most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the
massive contradictions in their lives.


> 



> There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a

highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be!


> 



> What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently

totally ignored by his followers.


> 



> Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had

with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of
someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong.


> Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness,

understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I
doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as
his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories
that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it.
The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's
teenage years? That's for another time.............


> 



> Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I

have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright
spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons.


> 



> I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I

ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off
with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name!


> 



> The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not

the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us
free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What
you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's
not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions
make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians.


> 



> I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture

though, so they're not all THAT bad!


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> 



> --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote:



> 



> From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>



> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

<gathering at misera.net>


> Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site



> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT)



> 



> I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement



> with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and



> this sums up what I think about it:



> 



> The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in



> all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving



> control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic,



> homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential,



> megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.



> 



> Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1.



> 



> Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone



> who has seen the truth:



> 



> Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his



> promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of



> sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is



> simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality.



> WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do



> things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all



> in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It



> is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there



> with you.



> 



> Greg (former Christian)



> 



> 



> >



> > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not



> > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even



> > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be

eating


> > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you

feel


> > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric



> > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get



> > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way

for


> > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king



> > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a

good


> > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't



> > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what



> > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it



> > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience



> > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's



> > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to

save


> > mankind from itself



> >



> >



> >



> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz



> > To: gathering at misera.net



> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100



> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site



> >



> >



> >



> >



> >



> >



> >



> > No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and

'Bible


> > Wisdom' is an oxymoron.



> >



> > As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity

out


> > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell.



> >



> > SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK.



> >



> >



> > Recognise the quote?



> >



> > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is



> > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And

the


> > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of



> > priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was



> > more institutionalised.



> >



> >



> >



> >



> >



> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [

mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]


> > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence



> > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59



> > To: gathering at misera.net



> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site



> >



> > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you



> > never know what tomorrow may bring



> >



> >



> >



> >



> > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk



> > To: gathering at misera.net



> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100



> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site



> >



> > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post.



> >



> > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds.



> >



> >



> >



> > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this

unnaturally


> > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may

not


> > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a

pleasant


> > autumn as consolation prize



> >



> >



> >



> >



> > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk



> > To: gathering at misera.net



> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100



> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site



> >



> >



> > S'ok sweet pea.



> >



> > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-))



> >



> >



> >



> > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed



> >



> >



> >



> >



> > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk



> > To: gathering at misera.net



> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100



> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site



> >



> > I can roll with that SL.



> >



> > Fools that fuck only for fun.



> >



> >



> >



> > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that



> > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of

sex


> > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes



> > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in

other


> > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships



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