[kj] Official Site

[GREG SLAWSON]

There are certainly NO countries in the world that I consider Communist now, or in the past. Some tried going that route and failed to get more than half way there. 
 


Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:48:14 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

I never said you did. I was just wondering if there were any countries that you would consider Communist.
There was no deeper meaning or implication in that statement.

At 10:40 PM 4/2/2009, J Casavola wrote:

Actually if you paid attention. I wasn't referring to any Countries that have ever practiced true communism! Pull out a darn history book.
 


Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:35:50 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

Yes, and as such, You can lump in Socialist factions as well. 
I do recall reading that communism is considered a branch of Socialism. 
Would you care to point out any particular countries that you consider "communist"?


At 12:02 AM 4/2/2009, J Casavola wrote:


And what about "Communists", em, I mean "Socialists Ideals"??? In the many applications of Communism, it wasn't actually Communism practiced in Countries such as the USSR and China, which was actually "Socialism".

 



Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:06:46 -0400

From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

To: gathering at misera.net

Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site


While I can't comment much on the intricacies of Christianity and am no fan of any religion/belief being proselyted. 


There is no way I can let it be criticized by someone who goes around proselyting an ideal

which has done so much harm. If ppl. don't agree that is their decision, but please, don't bitch

at someone else as if you're the one with all the right answers. (Yes Greg, I mean you.)


Reminds me of "Pot, Meet Kettle"


At 10:55 AM 4/1/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote: 

exo let them be THEY don't want to have an informed and intelligent debate about christianity because they either are misinformed [ haven't studied the bible ] or have a personal axe to grind 
 

 
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400 
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

The crusades don't come even close in numbers to the amount of deaths caused by Communism 
in such a short span of time.

One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive! 
BTW, what kind of preacher?

You constantly say that "Your Party" is different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument 
is futile. How many sub-sects are there of Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars?

Your party, in every current and recent large nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death, 
famine, discrimination and destruction.

If you want to have an exception between "Good Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism 
run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion). 
[And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?]

At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: 

How long were the Crusades? 
BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher! 
  


Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400 
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 
Sounds just like Communism to me! 
The only thing that Communism 
(or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation of communism" in which case we can also use 
the statement of "wrong implementation of religion" so to argue this is futile) 
has done better (so far) than religion is to have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time. 
(Timewave speed baby!) 
At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote: 

Great anti-religion songs: 
PiL: Religion 
XTC: Dear God 
Lennon: Imagine 
Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick 
                                             All religions make me want to throw up 
                                             They claim that they have the answers 
                                              When they don't even know the questions 
                                             They're just a bunch of liars 
                                              THey just want your money 
                                              THey just want your consciousness" 
  

> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700 

> From: joker at Z6.com 

> To: gathering at misera.net 

> Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 

> 

> 

> In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the massive contradictions in their lives. 

> 

> There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be! 

> 

> What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers. 

> 

> Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong. 

> Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it. The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time............. 

> 

> Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons. 

> 

> I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name! 

> 

> The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians. 

> 

> I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad! 

> 

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> 

> --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote: 

> 

> From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> 

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net> 

> Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 

> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT) 

> 

> I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement 

> with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and 

> this sums up what I think about it: 

> 

> The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in 

> all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving 

> control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, 

> homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, 

> megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. 

> 

> Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1. 

> 

> Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone 

> who has seen the truth: 

> 

> Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his 

> promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of 

> sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is 

> simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality. 

> WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do 

> things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all 

> in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It 

> is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there 

> with you. 

> 

> Greg (former Christian) 

> 

> 

> > 

> > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not 

> > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even 

> > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating 

> > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel 

> > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric 

> > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get 

> > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for 

> > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king 

> > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good 

> > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't 

> > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what 

> > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it 

> > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience 

> > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's 

> > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save 

> > mankind from itself 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz 

> > To: gathering at misera.net 

> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > No, actually, that’s not what Christianity is all about at all, and ‘Bible 

> > Wisdom’ is an oxymoron. 

> > 

> > As Nietzsche pointed out, it’s all about taking the centre of gravity out 

> > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. 

> > 

> > SAY YOU’LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. 

> > 

> > 

> > Recognise the quote? 

> > 

> > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is 

> > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the 

> > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of 

> > priests’ kiddie fiddling. You couldn’t find an organisation where it was 

> > more institutionalised. 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] 

> > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence 

> > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 

> > To: gathering at misera.net 

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 

> > 

> > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you 

> > never know what tomorrow may bring 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk 

> > To: gathering at misera.net 

> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 

> > 

> > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post. 

> > 

> > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds. 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally 

> > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not 

> > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant 

> > autumn as consolation prize 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk 

> > To: gathering at misera.net 

> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 

> > 

> > 

> > S'ok sweet pea. 

> > 

> > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-)) 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk 

> > To: gathering at misera.net 

> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 

> > 

> > I can roll with that SL. 

> > 

> > Fools that fuck only for fun. 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that 

> > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex 

> > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes 

> > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other 

> > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships 

> > 

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