[kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

[Brendan]

So let me get this right- the fact that I disagree with violence and
destructive behaviour is simply me thinking what the Establishment *wants*
me to think?

No...that's not my angle at all. I disagree that much focus should go on
the damage caused by a small percentage of rioters, I explained that I
think the big issue is their message(s).

I always though it was a part of my near-total dislike of violence and
destruction in any form. Well, now I know better. I'm just a tool of the
establishment.

I never said that.

I doubt you read that part of the message,

I did :)

but I'm also firmly against police brutality and firmly in favour of
people's right to protest. Guess that's also me just thinking what 'the
establishment' wants me to think.

I am against police brutality too...you're on about me calling you a drone
again. I didn't.

I think you should probably get to know me a little better before you
dismiss me as an establishment drone, thanks.

Shout the drinks and bring along your CV and three references, and you've
got a deal.



> So let me get this right- the fact that I disagree with violence and

> destructive behaviour is simply me thinking what the Establishment *wants*

> me to think?

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> I always though it was a part of my near-total dislike of violence and

> destruction in any form. Well, now I know better. I'm just a tool of the

> establishment.

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> I doubt you read that part of the message, but I'm also firmly against

> police brutality and firmly in favour of people's right to protest. Guess

> that's also me just thinking what 'the establishment' wants me to think.

> Â 

> I think you should probably get to know me a little better before you

> dismiss me as an establishment drone, thanks.

> Â 

> Jim.

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> --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

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> Spectacularly irrelevant…in which case it’s worked. Focussing on that

> angle, which the establishment wants you to do (hence the police tactics

> to encourage that kind of behaviour, the press focussing on it rather than

> the majority of peaceful protestors or their concerns, which are widely

> parodied as being chaotic and multitudinous therefore somehow irrelevant)

> works, and the real issues aren’t debated.

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> Why focus on that? I don’t get it. Everyone agrees that it’s daft and

> detracts from any legitimate message, it’s unfair to property owners and

> dangerous etc.

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> I didn't raise any objection to the protests.

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> My objection was to people who think it's okay to go on a rampage of

> rioting, looting and trashing. I don't really care what the occasion is.

> It's pointless, violent behaviour that does a great deal of damage (and

> yes, the money is important, 'big picture' or not) and if anything only

> harms whatever beneficial or serious intent the peaceful protesters might

> have.

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> In terms of my point, the banks crisis is spectacularly irrelevant.

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> Jim.

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> --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

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> From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 3:09 AM

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> It’s a trivial amount of money, why focus on it? Is that your only

> counter argument to the protests? Do you think the pigs corralling the

> protesters up, assaulting people who are sitting down etc, killing people

> with their hands in their pockets, does anything to calm the crowds?

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> I’m not suggesting it’s fair for those people whose property is

> destroyed, but in the big picture it’s more of a distraction. And yes,

> you can come back and say well it’s not a distraction to those

> people…but that’s not my point. Big picture.

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of Jim Harper

> Sent: Friday, 17 April 2009 11:59

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

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> It doesn't put that argument into perspective, I'm afraid, because it's

> not particularly relevant to my point. Or are you try to suggest that

> rioting and looting are okay because the damage is done is far less that

> the amount lost in this financial crisis?

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> Most people can't afford to have their shops looted and trashed,

> regardless of how much money the banks have pissed away.

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> --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

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> Hundreds of thousands of pounds…not to be too sarcastic, but have you

> any idea the damage the govt and banks have caused? Trillions…that puts

> that argument in perspective.

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