[kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

[Brendan Quinn]

I’m tending to agree with you, Obama is a not impressing me much so far. And
I wish they’d keep his wife off the magazine front pages, it’s irrelevant.

 

I think it’s more evidence that this whole Republican vs Democrat thing is a
farce.

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2009 00:31
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

 

Let's see...

Rendition:
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,7548176,full.story
---snip---
Under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority
to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers
of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States.
---snip---

Wire Tapping: (Also take into account the outrage when Bush started this)
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush
---snip---
It's an especially disappointing argument to hear from the Obama
Administration. As a candidate, Senator Obama lamented that the Bush
Administration "invoked a legal tool known as the 'state secrets' privilege
more than any other previous administration to get cases thrown out of civil
court." He was right then, and we're dismayed that he and his team seem to
have forgotten.

Sad as that is, it's the Department Of Justice's (read my comment below
about the Justice Dept. and who it's being filled with) second argument that
is the most pernicious. The DOJ claims that the U.S. Government is
completely immune from litigation for illegal spying — that the Government
can never be sued for surveillance that violates federal privacy statutes. 
---snip---

Guantanamo? Nahhh. We got Bagram!:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13mon1.html?ref=opinion
---snip---
The Obama administration is basking in praise for its welcome commitment to
shut down the American detention center at Guantánamo Bay. But it is acting
far less nobly when it comes to prisoners held at a larger, more secretive
military detention facility at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.
---snip---
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/16/liberals-angered-oba
mas-opposition-judicial-review-bagram-detainees/
---snip---
In an editorial this week, The New York Times claimed Bagram is "the next
Guantanamo" and accused the Obama administration of recycling "extravagant
claims of executive power."

That's because the Obama White House has sided with the Bush administration
in its belief that the Bagram detainees, who are in a war zone, have no
right to a court review despite a ruling last year by the Supreme Court
granting Guantanamo detainees those rights.

The Justice Department argues that Bagram is different from Guantanamo
because it is in an overseas war zone and the prisoners there are being held
as part of an ongoing military action. The government argues that releasing
enemy combatants into the Afghan war zone, or even diverting U.S. personnel
there to consider their legal cases, could threaten security.
--snip---

Justice Dept:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/obama-taps-fift.html
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/obama-stop-fill.html
http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/04/07/president-obama-backs-riaa-in-onli
ne-file-sharing-case/ 

Now, if you look at the arguments that RIAA lawyers put forth in court,
trust me, there is NO privacy.
Not to mention many other arguments that I won't list now as this one is
enough. 

Taxes:
Bette, Considering the amount of unsustainable spending that the Obama
administration is planning, it
is just about impossible that it can be done with raising taxes all over the
place. This 95% tax cut is gonna 
be VERY short lived. 

Tea Party Riot:
Oliver, there were no riots, it was actually quite peaceful. No burning
objects thrown at people, no breaking windows
no flipping cars. I'd call that a protest, not a riot. It seems that they
behaved far better than most of the "other" protests
I've seen over the past decade (or more).

Cheers,
Me

At 05:40 AM 4/17/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote:



hmmm bette but what about human rights issues ...guantanamo bay NOT closed
and MORE troops to afghanistan therefore furthering the bush legacy ....not
exactly a man of peace 
 

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From: bettedillinger at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:43:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

I just wanted to point out that President Obama said he would not renew the
tax cuts that the Bush Administration gave to the top 1%.  He is simply
going to let them expire (2010, I believe).  He has been consistent with
this statement throughout his campaign and presidency.  Believe me, I would
have thrown 'em out the first day, and I do not think Obama is the greatest
hope for humanity.  However, letting them expire shows he is  addressing the
issue in a way that will cause the least amount of chaos.  He must be a good
Chess player.
 
Bette
 

> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:31:33 -0500

> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

> 

> Yes, it is an organized thing from Freedom Wors, American Solutions, and 

> FOX News. The first two are corporate lobbying groups.

> 

> For example, this is the American Solutions commercial for the tax day 

> "tea parties":

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vKr95e5aIE

> 

> Since the Obama administration has cut taxes for 95% of Americans, 

> including the working and middle class, but has promised (yet has not 

> yet delivered) to raise taxes on income over $250,000 - to raise these 

> taxes to LESS THAN THEY WERE UNDER REAGAN, it means we are living in a 

> socialist, totalitarian society. So we gotta riot.

> 

> -Oliver

> 

> 

> Brendan Quinn wrote:

> > Was just reading on alternet.org that that who tea party thing was a

farce

> > too...FFS, it's the internet age, when are people gonna realise you

can't

> > get away with shit like that anymore.

> >

> > 

> 

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