[kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

[Bette Dillinger]

 Dear Me (har):

Did you read my line that addressed Obama? 

 

"Believe me, I would have thrown 'em out the first day (tax cuts), and I do not think Obama is the greatest hope for humanity."

 

Those tax breaks that will expire are going to assist the coffers.  Minimally?  Dunno.

 

Yes, you can write a laundry list of all the ways Obama is behaving like an American President, not Eugene Debs. 

 

As Jazzy says, when the stable is owned by the same interests, yet the two horses are supposed to be competition, it is a farce (paraphrase, of course).

 

I laughed with recognition at the Guardian's view of Obama during his recent trip across the pond, which was something to the effect of "everyone know Obama has some difficulty exuding compassion, so his wife Michelle is an excellent ambassador".  That statement alone would never be printed in the US, or be given alot of attention.  

 

Obama is "same as it ever was", a jingoist with more melanin.  To be the US President means you have to play by certain rules.  I just prefer to watch him play than watch the last president get so drunk he choked on a pretzel. 

 


Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:31:28 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

Let's see...

Rendition:
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,7548176,full.story
---snip---
Under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States.
---snip---

Wire Tapping: (Also take into account the outrage when Bush started this)
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush
---snip---
It's an especially disappointing argument to hear from the Obama Administration. As a candidate, Senator Obama lamented that the Bush Administration "invoked a legal tool known as the 'state secrets' privilege more than any other previous administration to get cases thrown out of civil court." He was right then, and we're dismayed that he and his team seem to have forgotten.

Sad as that is, it's the Department Of Justice's (read my comment below about the Justice Dept. and who it's being filled with) second argument that is the most pernicious. The DOJ claims that the U.S. Government is completely immune from litigation for illegal spying — that the Government can never be sued for surveillance that violates federal privacy statutes. 
---snip---

Guantanamo? Nahhh. We got Bagram!:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13mon1.html?ref=opinion
---snip---
The Obama administration is basking in praise for its welcome commitment to shut down the American detention center at Guantánamo Bay. But it is acting far less nobly when it comes to prisoners held at a larger, more secretive military detention facility at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.
---snip---
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/16/liberals-angered-obamas-opposition-judicial-review-bagram-detainees/
---snip---
In an editorial this week, The New York Times claimed Bagram is "the next Guantanamo" and accused the Obama administration of recycling "extravagant claims of executive power."

That's because the Obama White House has sided with the Bush administration in its belief that the Bagram detainees, who are in a war zone, have no right to a court review despite a ruling last year by the Supreme Court granting Guantanamo detainees those rights.

The Justice Department argues that Bagram is different from Guantanamo because it is in an overseas war zone and the prisoners there are being held as part of an ongoing military action. The government argues that releasing enemy combatants into the Afghan war zone, or even diverting U.S. personnel there to consider their legal cases, could threaten security.
--snip---

Justice Dept:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/obama-taps-fift.html
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/obama-stop-fill.html
http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/04/07/president-obama-backs-riaa-in-online-file-sharing-case/ 

Now, if you look at the arguments that RIAA lawyers put forth in court, trust me, there is NO privacy.
Not to mention many other arguments that I won't list now as this one is enough. 

Taxes:
Bette, Considering the amount of unsustainable spending that the Obama administration is planning, it
is just about impossible that it can be done with raising taxes all over the place. This 95% tax cut is gonna 
be VERY short lived. 

Tea Party Riot:
Oliver, there were no riots, it was actually quite peaceful. No burning objects thrown at people, no breaking windows
no flipping cars. I'd call that a protest, not a riot. It seems that they behaved far better than most of the "other" protests
I've seen over the past decade (or more).

Cheers,
Me

At 05:40 AM 4/17/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote:

hmmm bette but what about human rights issues ...guantanamo bay NOT closed and MORE troops to afghanistan therefore furthering the bush legacy ....not exactly a man of peace 
 


From: bettedillinger at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:43:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

I just wanted to point out that President Obama said he would not renew the tax cuts that the Bush Administration gave to the top 1%.  He is simply going to let them expire (2010, I believe).  He has been consistent with this statement throughout his campaign and presidency.  Believe me, I would have thrown 'em out the first day, and I do not think Obama is the greatest hope for humanity.  However, letting them expire shows he is  addressing the issue in a way that will cause the least amount of chaos.  He must be a good Chess player.
 
Bette
 

> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:31:33 -0500

> From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

> 

> Yes, it is an organized thing from Freedom Wors, American Solutions, and 

> FOX News. The first two are corporate lobbying groups.

> 

> For example, this is the American Solutions commercial for the tax day 

> "tea parties":

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vKr95e5aIE

> 

> Since the Obama administration has cut taxes for 95% of Americans, 

> including the working and middle class, but has promised (yet has not 

> yet delivered) to raise taxes on income over $250,000 - to raise these 

> taxes to LESS THAN THEY WERE UNDER REAGAN, it means we are living in a 

> socialist, totalitarian society. So we gotta riot.

> 

> -Oliver

> 

> 

> Brendan Quinn wrote:

> > Was just reading on alternet.org that that who tea party thing was a farce

> > too...FFS, it's the internet age, when are people gonna realise you can't

> > get away with shit like that anymore.

> >

> > 

> 

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