[kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

[Stephen Lawrence]

right on brendan ...i also find many americans blinkered ...haven't a clue when i talk about F E M A camps andthe guantamo debacle [ lots of kidnapped innocents ] ..i believe the american people are in for a rude awakening and the powers that be are getting ready for the backlash 
 


From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:24:37 +1000
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video









I am writing off the teabaggers, not you you fucking ballbag.
 
I’ve expressed my views about Obama and his Wall-street colluding administration already. I have practically no faith in him at all. Do you read my posts before you go calling me blinkered? I watched Glenn Beck (was it?) for 10 mins on youtube last night, and some of what he said made sense, esp when he said that they are anti govt not anti Obama. But that’s not what the placards I read said. I also watch a lot of Ron Paul on youtube. (Along with Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly, only to laugh at them). I don’t get what they are on about. The tax rates they are protesting have been incumbent for 16 years, they were inherited by Obama from Bush, and Obama raise in the top tax rates of the extremely wealthy (250K) still leaves it below the Reagan administration’s level. So, no probs you’re whingeing about taxes, but leave Obama and all that crap about socialism out of it because it was worse under previous Republican administrations FFS.
 
How you say what you say is often as important as the message. Actions speak louder than words. Be open honest and up front with your message – if you have to resort to bullshit, pretend you have more popular support than you actually do, make up a media circus to appear like a legit grassroots movement, then I turn off, not because I’m blinkered, but because you’ve just doused yourself in bullshit as far as I’m concerned, and I don’t have the time or will to filter out any legit arguments from the nonsense. I’ll wait until next time, I write this tea bagging thing off.
 
I can’t stand this high and mighty attitude that just because I called bullshit on something because of the way it’s couched (in deception and manipulation) that I’m blinkered and only looking for an excuse to not listen. I called out the media circus on Obama’s wife. I called him out on his bailouts. I called him out for hiring the Wall Streeters who got the world into the mess it’s in now. I called him out for colluding with Wall Street.
 
I probably know more about American politics than most Americans. 
 




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:54
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video
 
You judge before you hear of anything I have to say? I expected more from you.

By attacking something that does not exist as a means of trying to defeat it, you simply emphasize
the point of a certain group of people not being able to hear anything out and go around with their
blinders on.

At 01:16 AM 4/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:


The other side’s protest is a manipulation from the top down made to look like a grass roots movement though, that pretty much renders anything you’re going to say suspect in my book. It’s a shame because any legitimate debate they might have is sullied when you know their method is deceptive.
 



From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2009 07:55
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video
 
I was merely quoting your words. Maybe I put to much emphasis on words that
people say and should've thought "maybe he means protest or demonstrate"?
I did, but then wondered why the choice word of riot came up. I guess that sometimes
I'm just not so quick on the button. You'll have to forgive me.

I'll be responding to the astro-turfing in a bit.

It is amazing, however, that when one side protests is all for valid reasons. When they other side protests
it's all because they are a bunch of losers.

Will write more later (though I promise not to turn this into another 800 response email thread)
(Twisted the fuck outa my ankle and gotta ice it down right now. And on the first NICE day of 2009!)

Cheers Oli!


"> Since the Obama administration has cut taxes for 95% of Americans, 

> including the working and middle class, but has promised (yet has not 

> yet delivered) to raise taxes on income over $250,000 - to raise these 

> taxes to LESS THAN THEY WERE UNDER REAGAN, it means we are living in a 

> socialist, totalitarian society. So we gotta riot.

> 

> -Oliver"



At 10:35 AM 4/17/2009, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

Who said there were tea party "riots"???

I never did. I just pointed out the truth, which is that they are 'astro-turf' (fake grass roots), corporate directed anti-Obama events designed to give vent to sore losers from the 2008 POTUS election.


As far as the teabagging fests, which looked like the worst Sarah Palin rallies from last year, this man is my hero:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkOwsIIIe5I


He 'infiltrated' a tea party and actally said something that was true. He's got big bals for doing that, because most of the people at them are nuts. Accordingly, he gets booed.

-Oliver
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