[kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

[The Exorcist]

I reference Huf-Po because....

"At 07:40 PM 4/17/2009, sade1 wrote:
P.P.S. And loads of offensive pictures, too: 
<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html 
"

I understand that you find all of it to be outrageous, I just don't 
recall it ever being mentioned here.
The links are from 2003 and upwards. There are more links, but how 
many shall I paste already?

The thing is, Huff-po and their ilk never made a stance.

Size might not be everything, but there are always extremists cooks everywhere.
However when the cooks are removed and you're left with the regular supporters,
what do you see? I see a big difference in tone.

As I repeatedly point out here, I think there is a massive double 
standard as to what is allowed, what
is not allowed, who is allowed and who is not allowed. That is all.


At 07:55 PM 4/18/2009, sade1 wrote:

> > I wonder where your outrage and level of "offense" were about the 

> following.

>

>    I saw**/see them as offensive also. Outrageous is indeed a good 

> word for them.

>

>     **(weren't these posted here back in 2003, also?

>       I don't recall who it was but the pics ring a bell..)

>

> > I don't recall Huff-Po being offended at any...

>

>     I'm not a fan of the Huffing-Post (I'm not even sure exactly 

> why you referenced them)

>     so I couldn't recall their stance at the time...

>

> > I guess the "I'm offended" neurons must have been misfiring at the time.

>    Whose, mine or someone else's? Au contraire, mon frere, mine 

> perk up really quick at

>    first hint of such stuff. I wouldn't even march where such 

> banners were used.

>

> > So, single or minor idiot offender(s) vs. de facto large 

> gathering of offenders.

>     Neither, the former are bad enough and the latter are worse. 

> There is a more relevant

>     distinction (size[of group] isn't everything) i htink you're 

> hinting at, the level of distaste or

>     offensiveness of each group's placards(?) and if so, yes the 

> Teabaggers were less

>     offensive than the antiwar protesters.

>

>

>... ... ... ... ... ...

>

>[looking at the current state of things..]

>

>'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>     I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>

>

>

>

>From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:49:49 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

>

>Sade, Your outrage is duly noted.

>

>I wonder where your outrage and level of "offense" were about the following.

>(And this is all just a tiny smattering from one individual on the west coast)

>I don't recall Huff-Po being offended at any of these kind of 

>rallies. I guess the

>"I'm offended" neurons must have been misfiring at the time.

>

>http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_february_16_2003/

>http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-american/

>http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-israel_pro-palestine/

>http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-bush/

>http://www.zombietime.com/marines_protest_berkeley_6-21-08/

>http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/

>http://www.zombietime.com/iraq_war_fifth_anniversary_protest/

>http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-bush/

>

>Re: Gary Coleman...

>How about articles like these...

>http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1584736,00.html

>http://www.cjr.org/politics/is_obama_black_enough.php

>http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-chude-sokei18feb18,0,7298828.story?coll=la-opinion-center

>http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center

>

>When you're done looking through the photos (a quick glimpse will 

>suffice) look at the common theme

>between standard placards from the links I placed and the pic of one 

>idiot with a Hitler sign that. Hell, don't

>forget to include Code Pink who decided to show up at one of the 

>rallies as well.

>

>So, single or minor idiot offender(s) vs. de facto large gathering 

>of offenders.

>

>At 03:39 PM 4/18/2009, sade1 wrote:

>>   Did you see all the pictures? Each of the 3 visible images had 

>> about 10 more

>>pictures you can scroll thru by clicking at the bottom right.

>>

>>"Them's fightin' werds."

>>

>>  - Obama's Plan / White Slavery

>>

>>  - The American Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama's Ovens

>>

>>  - "Obama What you Talkin' bout, Willis?..." (say it 

>> <http://mistaenkt.dk/Coleman.jpg>like Gary Coleman on "Diff'rent Strokes")

>>

>>  - Obama Loves... Baby Killing

>>

>>  - The new 

>> <http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1398/slide_1398_20069_large.jpg>face 

>> of Hitler

>>

>>  - pic of Uncle Sam being strangled from behind by a (black) Obama

>>

>>  - Obama was sucking 

>> <http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1398/slide_1398_20110_large.jpg>Saudi 

>> jewels

>>

>>These are all offensive to at least someone, somewhere, if not to everyone.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>... ... ... ... ... ...

>>

>>[looking at the current state of things..]

>>

>>'Save me...

>>   save me from Tomorrow..

>>     I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 7:44:14 PM

>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

>>

>>Because the title says "offensive" pictures doesn't make it such.

>>Considering all the errr, protests form the *ahem* "other side" 

>>this are quite tame.

>>

>>

>>At 07:40 PM 4/17/2009, sade1 wrote:

>>>P.P.S. And loads of

>>>           offensive pictures, too: 

>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html 

>>>

>>>

>>>P.S.

>>>

>>>This MsNBC video of "Countdown" has allthe

>>>puns used by the media covering the Teabagging Partay, 

>>><http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30199155#30199155>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30199155#30199155 

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> > share the "teabaggers"

>>>

>>>Anyone else notice this?

>>>

>>><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/david-shuster-nationwide_n_186815.html>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/david-shuster-nationwide_n_186815.html 

>>>

>>>

>>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/09/rachel-maddow-ana-marie-c_n_185445.html 

>>>

>>>

>>>    It seems the 'teabaggers' in the media also 'went nuts' 

>>> yesterday and couldn't keep from 'shooting off their own heads 

>>> over how, ahem, "blue" 'in the face' they felt about government 

>>> having, um, 'spent' itself into a hole where it would only get 

>>> squeezed further by asians (countries) and other countries who 

>>> want nothing more than to see the U.S. 'on its knees' 'looking 

>>> straight down the barrel' of future...and on n' on n' on etce.tera.etc. ..

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>... ... ... ... ... ...

>>>

>>>[looking at the current state of things..]

>>>

>>>'Save me...

>>>   save me from Tomorrow..

>>>     I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:08:36 PM

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

>>>

>>>Good point from Exo. While I may not share the "teabaggers" views, 

>>>I fully support their First Amendment rights to speak their 

>>>minds  -- just as I did with the anti-war and Bush protests, even 

>>>though I often thought some of the criticism of him was ridiculous 

>>>and actually not warranted.

>>>I think it's best everyone be civil (that's me, Pollyana ...)  ; )

>>>

>>>k.w.

>>>----- Original Message -----

>>>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist

>>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing 

>>>Joke (the band!)

>>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 2:55 PM

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

>>>I was merely quoting your words. Maybe I put to much emphasis on words that

>>>people say and should've thought "maybe he means protest or demonstrate"?

>>>I did, but then wondered why the choice word of riot came up. I 

>>>guess that sometimes

>>>I'm just not so quick on the button. You'll have to forgive me.

>>>I'll be responding to the astro-turfing in a bit.

>>>It is amazing, however, that when one side protests is all for 

>>>valid reasons. When they other side protests

>>>it's all because they are a bunch of losers.

>>>Will write more later (though I promise not to turn this into 

>>>another 800 response email thread)

>>>(Twisted the fuck outa my ankle and gotta ice it down right now. 

>>>And on the first NICE day of 2009!)

>>>Cheers Oli!

>>>"> Since the Obama administration has cut taxes for 95% of Americans,

>>> > including the working and middle class, but has promised (yet has not

>>> > yet delivered) to raise taxes on income over $250,000 - to raise these

>>> > taxes to LESS THAN THEY WERE UNDER REAGAN, it means we are living in a

>>> > socialist, totalitarian society. So we gotta riot.

>>> >

>>> > -Oliver"

>>>At 10:35 AM 4/17/2009, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>>>>Who said there were tea party "riots"???

>>>>I never did. I just pointed out the truth, which is that they are 

>>>>'astro-turf' (fake grass roots), corporate directed anti-Obama 

>>>>events designed to give vent to sore losers from the 2008 POTUS election.

>>>>As far as the teabagging fests, which looked like the worst Sarah 

>>>>Palin rallies from last year, this man is my hero:

>>>>

>>>><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkOwsIIIe5I>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkOwsIIIe5I 

>>>>

>>>>He 'infiltrated' a tea party and actally said something that was 

>>>>true. He's got big bals for doing that, because most of the 

>>>>people at them are nuts. Accordingly, he gets booed.

>>>>-Oliver

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