[kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

[sade1]

[sorry, i corrected it for easier understanding]


Good call there about the Huffing Post. I never noticed that link was from the Huffing Post. 

I'm only guessing here, but i think in 2oo3 the posters and banners may have been drowned out by 
the din of the war debates here (not that we solved anything or even prevented the invasion, no, although 
it looked like we might have for a second there), bearing in mind that some here were openly pro-war, you 
can imagine the debating (I dont' remember if Peter West provoked it or what j/k) and how the power 
of banners may have taken a back seat. Were you on the Gathe' by that time?
 

> There are more links, but how many shall I paste already? 

   
   Sorry, I wasn't pushing for more, your point was clearly made.  I'd hate to run into you in a darkened  
   library (or a packed trial courtroom).


> I think there is a massive double standard as to what is allowed, what

> is not allowed, who is allowed and who is not allowed.

   
   a)  In the press/media/"court of public opinion"? definitely. Saw it just the other day as several national    
   Newscasts pointed out how several u.s.s congressmen were on the take of the Finance industry - but none of 
   the national newscasts(both A.M and Primetime) named** were Democratic, even though the 4 or 5 highest paid 
   Finance Whores are all Democratic, including Obama and the heads of both Congress and top Congressional 
   Finance/Banking-related committees.
   
   b)   Around here? It's happened here also. 
   Micro..macro.., "as above so below," "as within, so without," etc.etc  

   I guess no group is immune clearly, despite the individual's/individuals' bestest efforts.  
   I plead guilty on all counts. 
  

**'cept 1 minor senator in 1 newscast


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From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:39:43 PM
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I reference Huf-Po because.... 

"At 07:40 PM 4/17/2009, sade1 wrote:
P.P.S. And loads of offensive pictures, too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html "

I understand that you find all of it to be outrageous, I just don't recall it ever being mentioned here.
The links are from 2003 and upwards. There are more links, but how many shall I paste already?

The thing is, Huff-po and their ilk never made a stance. 

Size might not be everything, but there are always extremists cooks everywhere.
However when the cooks are removed and you're left with the regular supporters,
what do you see? I see a big difference in tone.

As I repeatedly point out here, I think there is a massive double standard as to what is allowed, what
is not allowed, who is allowed and who is not allowed. That is all.


At 07:55 PM 4/18/2009, sade1 wrote:


> I wonder where your outrage and level of "offense" were about the following.

 
   I saw**/see them as offensive also. Outrageous is indeed a good word for them. 
 
    **(weren't these posted here back in 2003, also? 
      I don't recall who it was but the pics ring a bell..)
 

> I don't recall Huff-Po being offended at any...

 
    I'm not a fan of the Huffing-Post (I'm not even sure exactly why you referenced them) 
    so I couldn't recall their stance at the time...
 

> I guess the "I'm offended" neurons must have been misfiring at the time.

   Whose, mine or someone else's? Au contraire, mon frere, mine perk up really quick at 
   first hint of such stuff. I wouldn't even march where such banners were used.
 

> So, single or minor idiot offender(s) vs. de facto large gathering of offenders.

    Neither, the former are bad enough and the latter are worse. There is a more relevant 
    distinction (size[of group]isn't everything) i htink you're hinting at, the level of distaste or 
    offensiveness of each group's placards(?) and if so, yes the Teabaggers were less 
    offensive than the antiwar protesters. 

 
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From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:49:49 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

Sade, Your outrage is duly noted.

I wonder where your outrage and level of "offense" were about the following.
(And this is all just a tiny smattering from one individual on the west coast)
I don't recall Huff-Po being offended at any of these kind of rallies. I guess the
"I'm offended" neurons must have been misfiring at the time.

http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_february_16_2003/
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-american/
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-israel_pro-palestine/
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-bush/
http://www.zombietime.com/marines_protest_berkeley_6-21-08/
http://zombietime.com/gaza_war_protest/
http://www.zombietime.com/iraq_war_fifth_anniversary_protest/
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-bush/

Re: Gary Coleman...
How about articles like these...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1584736,00.html
http://www.cjr.org/politics/is_obama_black_enough.php
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-chude-sokei18feb18,0,7298828.story?coll=la-opinion-center
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center

When you're done looking through the photos (a quick glimpse will suffice) look at the common theme
between standard placards from the links I placed and the pic of one idiot with a Hitler sign that. Hell, don't
forget to include Code Pink who decided to show up at one of the rallies as well. 

So, single or minor idiot offender(s) vs. de facto large gathering of offenders.

At 03:39 PM 4/18/2009, sade1 wrote:

  Did you see all the pictures? Each of the 3 visible images had about 10 more 
pictures you can scroll thru by clicking at the bottom right.  
 
"Them's fightin' werds."
 
 - Obama's Plan / White Slavery
 
 - The American Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama's Ovens
 
 - "Obama What you Talkin' bout, Willis?..." (say it like Gary Coleman on "Diff'rent Strokes")
 
 - Obama Loves... 
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 - The new face of Hitler 
 
 - pic of Uncle Sam being strangled from behind by a (black) Obama
 
 - Obama was sucking Saudi jewels  
 
These are all offensive to at least someone, somewhere, if not to everyone.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 7:44:14 PM
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Because the title says "offensive" pictures doesn't make it such. 
Considering all the errr, protests form the *ahem* "other side" this are quite tame.


At 07:40 PM 4/17/2009, sade1 wrote:

P.P.S. And loads of 
          offensive pictures, too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html 
 
P.S.
 
This MsNBC video of "Countdown" has allthe 
puns used by the media covering the Teabagging Partay, 
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> share the "teabaggers"

 
Anyone else notice this? 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/david-shuster-nationwide_n_186815.html 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/09/rachel-maddow-ana-marie-c_n_185445.html 
 
   It seems the 'teabaggers' in the media also 'went nuts' yesterday and couldn't keep from 'shooting off their own heads over how, ahem, "blue" 'in the face' they felt about government having, um, 'spent' itself into a hole where it would only get squeezed further by asians (countries) and other countries who want nothing more than to see the U.S. 'on its knees' 'looking straight down the barrel' of future...and on n' on n' on etce.tera.etc. ..
 
 
 

 
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From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:08:36 PM
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Good point from Exo. While I may not share the "teabaggers" views, I fully support their First Amendment rights to speak their minds  -- just as I did with the anti-war and Bush protests, even though I often thought some of the criticism of him was ridiculous and actually not warranted. 
I think it's best everyone be civil (that's me, Pollyana ...)  ; ) 
 
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From: The Exorcist 
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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 2:55 PM 
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I was merely quoting your words. Maybe I put to much emphasis on words that 
people say and should've thought "maybe he means protest or demonstrate"? 
I did, but then wondered why the choice word of riot came up. I guess that sometimes 
I'm just not so quick on the button. You'll have to forgive me. 
I'll be responding to the astro-turfing in a bit. 
It is amazing, however, that when one side protests is all for valid reasons. When they other side protests 
it's all because they are a bunch of losers. 
Will write more later (though I promise not to turn this into another 800 response email thread) 
(Twisted the fuck outa my ankle and gotta ice it down right now. And on the first NICE day of 2009!) 
Cheers Oli! 
"> Since the Obama administration has cut taxes for 95% of Americans, 

> including the working and middle class, but has promised (yet has not 

> yet delivered) to raise taxes on income over $250,000 - to raise these 

> taxes to LESS THAN THEY WERE UNDER REAGAN, it means we are living in a 

> socialist, totalitarian society. So we gotta riot. 

> 

> -Oliver" 

At 10:35 AM 4/17/2009, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote: 
Who said there were tea party "riots"??? 
I never did. I just pointed out the truth, which is that they are 'astro-turf' (fake grass roots), corporate directed anti-Obama events designed to give vent to sore losers from the 2008 POTUS election. 
As far as the teabagging fests, which looked like the worst Sarah Palin rallies from last year, this man is my hero:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkOwsIIIe5I 
He 'infiltrated' a tea party and actally said something that was true. He's got big bals for doing that, because most of the people at them are nuts. Accordingly, he gets booed. 
-Oliver 
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