[kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

[GREG SLAWSON]

I was assuming "latent" meant hidden, and appearing at a later time, when I responded both times. However I also believe that racism is not genetic either (as some right wing sociobiogist psuedo-scientists have tried to claim).
 


Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:49:04 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2







> that whole "latent racism" argument... Racism is a SOCIAL construct. It's not natural... 

 
  I was trying to understand if what you meant by "latent" was along the lines of genetic or 
natural/"endowed by nature," because you next contrasted it with 'social' and 'not-natural.'  
That difference between either of those and the actual meaning of the word 'latent' can change 
the entire meaning of the original statement and thrust of the following comments. 
 
 
 
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[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   
 






From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:08:05 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2



The whole ending of Spike Lee's hit movie "Do the Right Thing" was, I think, trying to portray latent racism (in the character played by Danny Iello, the pizza shop owner).
 


Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:09:46 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2






I'm not sure how Spike Lee espouses "latent racism" but latent just means that it's present it 
just hasn't reared its ugly head yet; asymptomatic.  Like that, yeah, it's pretty prevalent, but yeah 
it is very much a social construct, and a False one, too.

 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   
 






From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:29:37 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2



I think that whole "latent racism" argument, espoused by folks such as Spike Lee (esp. in "Do the RIght Thing") is very cynical. Racism is a SOCIAL construct. It's not natural (that's why it doesn't exist in young children) but is so ingrained in society that it may seem like we all have latent racism, when in fact we're really absorbing bad ideas that exist in the media, government, advertising, etc. Just my dos pesos.
Greg
 


From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:44:48 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2



i dont,and i am certain alot of other people do not either,as for the majority of the police,ive made my point on that clearly in an erlier post majority of em are instinutionally racist bastards.....
 
milindafgrant
 


From: bettedillinger at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:20:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2



Everyone has latent racism.
 


From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:19:43 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2



i just dont want to generalise but the police are institutionally racist,there maybe a few exceptions of those who are not, i am talking about the majority who are racist;(
 
milindafgrant
 


From: gregslawson at msn.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:03:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2



It's true that psych factors may be important, but a bigger issue is that the whole "culture" of the police is to get away with abusing people, covering it up, and being sworn to secrecy. There was an excellent book about 20 years ago, called I think "The Code of Silence", by a former US police chief, that detailed all this...
 


Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:40:03 +0000
From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2






I'm sure there are psychological factors at work in determining their personality types, just like all of us. There isn't anything that *forces* the individual to behave in that fashion, however. There are no doubt a wealth of psychological issues and problems that go into the make-up of a violent policeman- some of which are genuinely worthy of sympathy- but we all know where psychology ends and choice begins. 
 
Jim.

 
From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:29:01 +1000
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2









If police brutality is part of a bigger picture, then so is civilian violence.
 
I agree but police brutality is more onerous than civilian brutality – and judges will take this into account in their sentencing– because they are provided enhanced powers of physical intervention (legal rights, training, equipment, back up from thousands of other cops and civilians etc), in return for the responsibility to defend us. Misusing that privilege to do the opposite is especially wrong…and deserves stronger punishment (insofar as we currently favour punishment as opposed to ‘correction’). They are letting us down more than the random idiots because they are the ones we entrust our security to. In a lot of ways we are more vulnerable to their misuse of power than we are to random idiots, we’ve got no real recourse to resist or defend ourselves. They will just escalate the confrontation quicker and harder than we ever can. Some of us have a chance against randoms, no one really has a chance against the police force, right or wrong. 

  

Ever heard a cop describe the police force as the biggest gang in the country? I have. 

  

Most of the people at the G20 conference didn't feel obliged to throw bricks through windows or set fire to building. Anyone who can't manage that should stay at home; they're not needed. 

  

That might be a clue as to why they feel like they do and do what they do. I’m not so much defending violent behaviour, as trying to explain it. There was a study I was reading about recently in New Scientist that said schools that fit a certain profile were more likely to have mass killings. The profile included a cliquey, elitist, non-inclusive atmosphere. Again I’m not blaming that alone for the killings, but it could have played a part. Anti-social acts are caused by anti-social people, and there’s a reason why people are anti-social, society bears some blame for that. Like it bears some of the blame for the systemic problems in our police forces. 

  

  


 





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