[kj] (OT) NIN

[The Exorcist]

I enjoyed the cover of "Dead Souls" on The Crow 
soundtrack. I think it fit in quite will within 
the film and it's surrounding songs.
Covers are not always meant to be duplications. 
It's an artists or individuals interpretation of a song.

At 09:41 PM 2/19/2009, J Casavola wrote:

>He also ripped apart Joy Division's Dead Souls

>

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>From: bettedillinger at live.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:18:51 -0500

>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) NIN

>

>I don't even want to post it.  But if you want 

>to hate him even more after that interview, look 

>up his rendition of "Bela Lugosi's Dead" on SueTube.

>

> > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:54:41 +1300

> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) NIN

> >

> > Trentnor reckons he invented alternative music, Lollapaloser, and paved

> > the way for Nirvana:

> >

> > http://www.nin.com/

> >

> > >

> > > I read in one review that Trent Reznor is an heir to a large fortune. I

> > > am not saying money is happiness, but it does make a nice down payment.

> > > Do any of the musos floating around here know what he is heir to? It is

> > > something electrical (I am *so* technical in my descriptions, I

> > > know)........

> > >

> > >> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:37:48 +1300

> > >> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> > >> To: gathering at misera.net

> > >> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Jane's Addiction at Echoplex in LA Last Night

> > >>

> > >> Gonna be 'interesting' to see how the NIN / Jane's Addiction shows pan

> > >> out.

> > >>

> > >> My impressions of last night's NIN gig:

> > >>

> > >> Meh. With the emphasis on the 'eh'.

> > >>

> > >> I TRIED to like NIN. I went to all the effort of stealing Trentnor's

> > >> life's work, listening to it on train and plane journeys, walking in to

> > >> work and feeling incongruously anti-social (and anachronistic) while

> > >> docile passersby passed by, oblivious to the fact that I was listening

> > >> to

> > >> something that sounded like a hardcore remake of the Metropolis

> > >> soundtrack

> > >> (1994 Crack Remix).

> > >>

> > >> ...familiarised myself with Pretty Hate Machine (I passed on the 2/3 of

> > >> his album collection where he remixes his own stuff

yawn), which I had

> > >> never picked up before because of the awful name.

> > >>

> > >> So I was relatively familiar with NIN, at least moreso than previously,

> > >> when my appreciation was limited to the Quake soundtrack (sounds like

> > >> Tool

> > >> lite) and "that song that Johnny Cash does better." And Perfect

> > >> Drug...which always had me scratching my head as to why it was on such

> > >> high rotate. (Surely these guys do better stuff than this?)

> > >>

> > >> The opening band's promo photo looked so shit I didn't even bother

> > >> listening to anything online to see what they were like. (This

> > >> admittedly

> > >> renders the rest of my review useless due to extreme prejudice but

> > >> hey...just being honest. Don't pretend you're not the same).

> > >>

> > >> NIN - sound quality was mildly mucky, not awful, and probably not their

> > >> fault. Smallish crowd for the venue (half to two thirds of the ~10 000

> > >> seat venue filled). Good light show, basic but good impact.

> > >> Overall...some

> > >> pretty solid material. A fair bit of it sounds samey to me, and I really

> > >> wouldn’t rate them up there with their 90s contemporaries (Soundgarden,

> > >> Tool, Rage Against the Machine, Ministry) for impact, depth, breadth, or

> > >> range. Anyway, a *relatively* solid gig, but a few things gave away that

> > >> it was a phone-in, in a disappointing way. Practically no

> > >> acknowledgement

> > >> of the crowd, no encore, and “this is probably going to be our last show

> > >> in New Zealand" quoth Trentnor half-way through, in one of the perhaps

> > >> two

> > >> times he deigned to address the audience. Seemed to fuck half the

> > >> audience

> > >> off, and rightly so. That was it, not "hey this might be the last time I

> > >> play here so let's rip shit up." More like..."this is probably the last

> > >> time I'm gonna fuck you up the ass, not sure if I can come, anyway, just

> > >> thought I'd share...FYI. Now breathe out and clench."

> > >>

> > >> Yeah no worries, thanks for the newsflash, it's certainly gonna be the

> > >> last time you get any money from me (I bought 2 tix), and a lot of

> > >> others

> > >> in the crowd like me who have seen better, more considerate bands try to

> > >> disguise a phone-in, or dredge up enough energy from the crowd to find

> > >> some reason to enjoy being there.

> > >>

> > >> No encore despite most of the crowd giving it heaps for 10 mins, futiley

> > >> as the stage was dismantled immediately the black-clad phoners in left.

> > >>

> > >> That was the more objective impression. This is what part of me really

> > >> thinks:

> > >>

> > >> Go home and polish your Grammys and play Hurt to yourself on your synth

> > >> you never-really-has-been. There's a reason I wasn't into NIN and I'm

> > >> glad

> > >> I had my suspicions confirmed. 80% of their songs sound the same. Sub

> > >> par

> > >> lyrics, predictable anthems for 14-year old sexually ambivalent teens to

> > >> half-heartedly self-harm to in the privacy of their bedrooms in between

> > >> Evanescence CDs.

> > >>

> > >> Note to self: Don't ever bend over backwards trying to like something

> > >> you

> > >> don't.

> > >>

> > >> > Jane's Addiction, reunited with original bass player Eric Avery has

> > >> been

> > >> > doing a few low key warm-up bar and club shows in LA the past few

> > >> months

> > >> > before they go out on tour with Nine Inch Nails in late Spring. I

> > >> caught

> > >> > last night's show at the Echoplex club which was their third

> > >> appearance

> > >> > together since all four members began working together again.

> > >> >

> > >> > It turned out to be an excellent if short show, mostly better than the

> > >> > tiny

> > >> > El Cid bar show #2 which I caught last December. Only things I think

> > >> El

> > >> > Cid

> > >> > was marginally better was being a tiny club, much more intense energy

> > >> from

> > >> > the crowd that show. I think Perry sounded better there as well.

> > >> >

> > >> > It had been raining really hard much of the day in Southern California

> > >> and

> > >> > I

> > >> > was really on the fence about going or not right up to about 6pm. I

> > >> went

> > >> > for it and got to the Echoplex (in Echo Park) around 8:15 and a huge

> > >> line

> > >> > of 200 - 300 people was winding along the building and it quickly

> > >> because

> > >> > obvious some people didn't have or even know about the RSVP thing.

> > >> Light

> > >> > rain had just stopped and it was cool but at least dry. The line

> > >> started

> > >> > moving as they left small groups of about 10 - 15 people in at a time

> > >> to

> > >> > get

> > >> > their ID checked for a wristband, then get their ID checked against a

> > >> list

> > >> > at the door from the website registration rsvps. Saw a couple people

> > >> > turned

> > >> > away in front of me but later saw them inside so its possible they had

> > >> > enough room for people who basically walked up to see the show after

> > >> the

> > >> > majority of RSVP'ers got in. Considering my own feelings this method

> > >> of

> > >> > getting people in the show could have turned into a real mess, it

> > >> seems

> > >> > like

> > >> > it turned out to be well run with few problems.

> > >> >

> > >> > My first time at Echoplex. Kind of a weird room, the mixing desk kinda

> > >> > bisects the club in half so if your in the back, you gotta stand on

> > >> some

> > >> > boxes to get a decent view. Pretty laid back, almost too mellow of a

> > >> > crowd

> > >> > especially for the opening band "Dot," which was kind of a more

> > >> ambient,

> > >> > dissonant noise version of Secret Machines. Band shows some promise,

> > >> but

> > >> > the singer was hardly audible, partly because he rarely projected

> > >> himself

> > >> > but moreso because the vocals were mixed way too far down (same for

> > >> Perry

> > >> > during Jane's set). They got a decent response from the crowd, more

> > >> > respect

> > >> > than actual adoration. Frankly, I thought they were boring.

> > >> >

> > >> > There was a long wait, made somewhat manageable by the selections

> > >> whoever

> > >> > was DJ'ing played a good amount of Killing Joke ("Change"), Bauhaus,

> > >> > Cramps

> > >> > ("New Kind Of Kick" got a huge response), Bowie and a few other favs

> > >> on

> > >> > the

> > >> > PA.

> > >> >

> > >> > About 11:15, Jane's strolled on the stage and ground into Up The

> > >> Beach. I

> > >> > think it was played half a step down and a bit slower. Eric had more

> > >> room

> > >> > to

> > >> > prowl and stomp tonight so he'd either be doing his tribal stomp to

> > >> songs

> > >> > like Mountain Song or Ocean Size or locked into his zone often staring

> > >> up

> > >> > at

> > >> > the ceiling playing Pigs in Zen. Tonight, Dave was more on the mark

> > >> most

> > >> > of

> > >> > the show that the 2nd show, Perkins was simply 100% a precision human

> > >> > piledriver. The man is simply an incredible drummer. Perry

> > >> unfortunately

> > >> > I

> > >> > have to say was the weak link. Not a lot of power in his voice, didn't

> > >> > really make a lot of use of his little echo toolbox and took a lot

> > >> longer

> > >> > than the rest of the band to loosen up as the set progressed. I will

> > >> say

> > >> > when they got to Been Caught Stealing, he was up with the rest of the

> > >> band

> > >> > and loosened up enough to bullshit and introduce most of the remaining

> > >> > songs.

> > >> >

> > >> > I do think in a lot of ways this reunion, especially how Perry carries

> > >> > himself these days reminds me of the recent David Lee Roth/Van Halen

> > >> > reunion

> > >> > in the way both frontmen have dropped the more manic, physical aspect

> > >> of

> > >> > their stage persona due to age and are more like Vegas car dealers

> > >> doing

> > >> > their shtick for the rubes. At times, Perry was genuinely funny but

> > >> when

> > >> > he

> > >> > used forced, awkward analogies to introduce each of the last few

> > >> songs, it

> > >> > got hackneyed.

> > >> >

> > >> > Most of the songs from a performance standpoint sounded excellent.

> > >> > Mountain

> > >> > Song is played by Dave a bit differently now, a bit more RAWK! like

> > >> > someone

> > >> > like Billy Duffy would play the tune. The band was very tight with one

> > >> > major

> > >> > exception. The only song I thought kinda missed the mark was the one I

> > >> was

> > >> > most excited to hear, Ted, which lacked an "edge" it's had in the past

> > >> and

> > >> > never really got out of third gear and came close to falling apart the

> > >> > last

> > >> > couple minutes as the band kind of careened a bit out of time with

> > >> each

> > >> > other.

> > >> >

> > >> > But I'll tell you what, "Stop" was fucking perfect. Clearly the best

> > >> > performed song of the set and got great audience participation. "Had a

> > >> > Dad"

> > >> > and "Ocean Size" ended the 2 song encore and the short barely hour

> > >> long

> > >> > set

> > >> > was done.

> > >> >

> > >> >>From a crowd standpoint, the asshole factor was low but there were a

> > >> few

> > >> > lobcocks who'd careen around like big, sweaty, smelly dreidels. One

> > >> > grinning drunk slob who looked like Seth Rogan got hoisted up for some

> > >> > crowd

> > >> > surfing and got maybe 5 feet before being dumped on the ground like a

> > >> sack

> > >> > of shit. He later wound up getting on the stage on Erics side and then

> > >> > flopped off the stage like a beached whale.

> > >> >

> > >> > All n' all though, a great night even if it was too short and I

> > >> *really*

> > >> > wanted to hear "Three Days."

> > >> >

> > >> > Setlist:

> > >> >

> > >> > Up The Beach

> > >> > Trip Away (on the setlist but not played)

> > >> > Whores

> > >> > 1%

> > >> > Ain't No Right

> > >> > Mountain Song

> > >> > Been Caught Stealing

> > >> > Ted Just Admit It.

> > >> > Stop!

> > >> > (encore)

> > >> > Had a Dad

> > >> > Ocean Size

> > >> >

> > >> > T.B.

> > >> >

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